BS: What do we know about 2012?

Subject: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Llanfair
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 06:04 PM

There are a lot indicators that there will be dramatic changes to the world around the time of the solstice in 2012. Does anyone have any information?

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 06:33 PM

Indicators?? You mean like mystical predictions?

How can anyone have "information" about the future?

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 06:35 PM

I'll predict it's gonna get warmer....(but I cheat and read scientific studies)

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Crane Driver
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 06:57 PM

All I know about 2012 is that it hasn't got here yet.

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 06:57 PM

Hear that? That's the RDBDBBD! Rapid DeeBunk DeeBunk of BillD. Jumping faster these days, Bill!

Llanfair, I'll ask my brother. I know he has some of the info on hand.

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 07:07 PM

I'll be five years older (I hope).

And the screwballs will be looking forward to dramatic changes in 2020 or some other date.

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: folk1e
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 07:09 PM

It's 4.3 Years off (aprox)

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: frogprince
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 07:22 PM

Guys, ya'all make me want to pound my head against the wall. I would just laugh and shake my head, if I wasn't hearing this from people who say so much around here to make me like and respect them.

If I came up with some answer to this, and said I got it from details in the Bible, most if not all the regulars here would groan and roll their eyes. That would be the appropriate response .

But if I say I got my information from flipping cards with cryptic images, or charting the movements of the heavenly bodies, a bunch of the regulars scoot up on the edges of their chairs and go "ooh, tell me, tell me" So far I haven't heard anyone here say they got their data from sheep entrail; but, hey, that's an old established tradition, too...

I swear, you guys are as crazy in some ways as I am in some other ways.

                      Dean

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 07:41 PM

Here's some of what the folks who predict such things say:

1. The US will have fallen behind both India and China in technology due to a continued decline in the US graduation rate in engineering and science.

2. We will be in the beginnings of a post-petroleum economy.

3. The US government, having taken notice of #1, will be rushing to "catch up" just as they did post-Sputnik.

4. India will have passed China in technology.

5. In regards to #4, there are two possible alternatives: war or cooperation. Being that India and China are pragmatic, they will be cooperating.

6. Western "culture" as represented by the EU, the US, Canada, and ANZAC will starting a decline.

Not my predictions.

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 07:55 PM

So the sky will have fallen--again.

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Peace
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 08:01 PM

It has been variously mentioned as a time of great change. Beginning of the 'sixth world' according to the Mayan calendar. End of time by others. Period of open 'alien' visitation. Depends on who ya read and what ya care to believe. Google

2012, world change

Don't get too excited about it all.

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: John O'L
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 08:03 PM

Let's ask Nosferatu...
no, the Costa Nostra...
no, Nostradermis...
no, No...

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 08:07 PM

Do I have to go up on a mountaintop as the 'time' approaches, and pitch my tent and wait for.....them aliens?

And, in 2013, I predict, the next set of predictions about **change** will be ready, as well as disclaimers about why nothing in particular happened in 2012.

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Peace
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 08:08 PM

There is no such thing as la cosa nostra.

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Amos
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 08:08 PM

There will be conflict in the Middle East.

There will be babies on Park Avenue.

Teenagers will still feel as though they have invented love, consciousness and insight for the first time.

Women will still shriek when they wake up on their fortieth birthday.


A

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: bobad
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 08:18 PM

People will be going down into the ground
Buildings will be going up into the sky

Some will be busy being born
Others will be busy dieing

People will have a lot of forks and knives

Dylan will be writing songs

You now - the same ol' shit.

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 08:31 PM

I predict that, in 2012, the President and Vice President of the US will either be replaced or re-elected. The same will be true of about 1/3 of the Senate and the entire House of Representatives.

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: GUEST,Rapaire
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 08:36 PM

There will be rioting in Africa
They'll be starving in Spain
There'll be hurricanes in Florida
And Texas'll need rain.

The whole world will be festering with unhappy souls
The French'll hate the Germans, the Germans'll hate the Poles
Italians'll hate Yugoslavs
South Africans'll hate the Dutch
And I won't like anybody very much.

But we will be tranquil and thankful and proud
For Man's been endowed with a mushroom-shaped cloud
And we can be certain that some lucky day
Someone will set the spark off
And we will all be blow away....

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Amos
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 08:50 PM

The deaths directly or indirectly traceable to policy folly by the Bush Administration will have fallen to less than one thousand per year.


A

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 09:34 PM

Osama will convert Billy Graham, who will lead us all into the Muslim fold.
(Remember, you heard it here first)

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Mickey191
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 09:51 PM

Cheney will be president. WHY? HOW? In Oct.of 2008 all of the "GOOD FOOL PROOF" voting machines were incapcitated beyond repair.A mysterious explosion will have taken place & elections have been put on hold indefinitely.

GWB went hunting with Dickie & George tripped & shot himself in the back of the head. Former Sen. Larry Craig has come out from the men's room long enough to be appointed Vice President.

Okay--Your turn:
Treasurer:
Fema Head:
FBI Boss:
Homeland Security:Karl Rove

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Barry Finn
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 02:11 AM

I will still be here
We will still be in Iraq
By then we will be out of Iran & Korea
We will be out of gas
We will be out of a few more spieces
There will only be 1/4 the amount of rain forest left as there is today & 1/2 the ice mass on the polar caps (polor bears will be one of those above mentioned spieces)
The home my mother can no longer afford due to taxes & flood ins on Cape Cod will be washed out to sea & Joe Offer will be living on beachfront property in the Sacramento area
New Orleans will rebuild itself only to be reclaimed by the raising seas.

I will say I told you so & it'll be warmer like Bill D says

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 02:49 AM

I know it's already costing us extra in local rates, the developers won't have kept their promises about using local contractors and there won't be enough houses at affordable prices, but hey, that's what you get for having the Olympic Park dropped on your doorstep without your consent.

Well *I* never asked for them and no-one from the Council asked me if I wanted them...

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Partridge
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 03:25 AM

click here


This is what some people think is going to happen in 2012

If you scroll down to the bottom of the page there are some interesting links.


Pat xx

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 03:41 AM

Explains a lot about why this millenium has been so shitty for a lot of people so far!

I'm sort of hoping that when the Universe collapses in on itself, the central point will be the Olympic stadium... but that would be mean.

Bruahahahahhaha!!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 04:01 AM

They've got some big sporting event lined up in London.

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Bainbo
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 04:13 AM

So is the end of the world going to come before or after the London Olympics? If we could time it to coincide with the closing ceremony, that'd beat any fireworks display.

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: PMB
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 05:44 AM

It's scheduled for December 21st, so that's after the olympics, but you can skip buying the Christmas presents. The Earth is going to reverse its poles, so is the sun, we're gong to he hit by an asterisk, the Long Count finishes, the Last Judgement will happen, Auntie Christ will appear, Last Orders will be called, Lord Lucan will be found, Elvis will return, and it will rain or go dark before morning.

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: TheSnail
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 06:05 AM

From Partridge's link - "John Major Jenkins has pointed out that the detailed graphs of the cycles do not actually show significant termination points at the end of the Great Cycle

Hallelujah! We are saved!

(Although anyone who knows anything about UK politics will have trouble taking anyone called John Major Jenkins seriously.)

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 07:51 AM

Yeah, 2012 the London Olympics!
TV programmes will be dominated by interminable shots of thin but muscular people jogging up and down, adjusting their too tight shorts over their skinny arses and occasionally (very occasionally) running round a track - I can't wait!

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: 3refs
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 08:18 AM

My understanding is that according to the calender, 2012 will be a year of re-birth and like any birth it will be accompanied by much pain and blood!

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: kendall
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 08:36 AM

As Kung Foo said, "If a man lives, he will die."

When, doesn't seem too important to me.

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 08:54 AM

So will we all get extra belly buttons? I've already got the extra belly for it to go on!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: 3refs
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 08:57 AM

After years of considering data from varied fields such as astronomy, ethnography, archeology and iconography, J. Eric S. Thompson determined that 0.0.0.0.0(start of Mayan calander) correponded to the Julian date 584283, which equals August 11th, 3114 B.C. in our Gregorian calendar. This means that the end date of 13.0.0.0.0, some 5125 years later, is December 21st, 2012 A.D.1.

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: 3refs
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 09:37 AM

Lord (Ahau) Pacal is depicted on the lid of his sarcophagus a headed for the great beyond(World Tree). Is it just me or does that lid look like a spaceship.
This stuff really does make for interesting reading.

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Amos
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 10:54 AM

Find me the damn space ship. Then I'll get really interested.


A

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: 3refs
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 11:01 AM

spaceship?

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 12:19 PM

The thing about space ships is, they generally don't stay in one place for very long. Accordingly, they are very hard to find. If you do find one, though, and it is not capable of leaving, then be assured that military intelligence will arrive toot sweet, confiscate whatever they can, take it away, and inform you as to how to keepa you mouth shut...

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: GUEST,Neil
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 12:48 PM

It looks just like all of the other rooms in the 20 story hotel.

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 04:43 PM

The Mayan calender had several such ends of epochs.

We know that the climate will continue to change.

We know that US imperialism will continue to fight in order to diminish the appearence of defeat.

We know that a magnetic polar shift is on the way but impossible to predict.

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 08:24 PM

I'll betcha night will fall, too, and nobody will be able to do anything about it!

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: John Hardly
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 08:32 PM

I remember 2012. It was a bore. A crashing bore.

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 10:15 PM

Wow...there sure are a lot of "was said to have" and "believed that" and 'had a great appreciation for' type phrases in those Mayaesque pages...*grin*.

Who was it said something to the effect of "The plural of anecdote is NOT data."?

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Amos
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 10:54 PM

Actually, Bill, that little zinger is unworthy. An anecdote may perfectly well be data. It just doesn't meet rigorous scientific requirements. That doesn't make it any the less true (or untrue, for that matter).

A

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 11 Sep 07 - 07:40 AM

Former prophecies

(only a very small collection, there are many many more)

So the usual fate of prophcies is (1) that they fail, (2) that failure doesn't deter new prophets, and (3) that each new one will believed by some people (not necessarily the same each time).

Wasn't there a fateful prophecy mentioned by Donuel for later this year? I don't recollect whether the date is still before us or has passed already with noone noticing.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Sep 07 - 09:28 AM

If you make enough prophecies at least some will come true, especially if you make them vague enough. Take Jean Dixon: she predicted that a Democrat would win the 1960 US Presidential election and that he would be assassinated in office. Well, JFK won...but she'd predicted that he would NOT win the presidency.

She also predicted that Atlantis would rise in 1968, that the year 2000 would see the beginning of lasting world peace, that WW3 would begin in 1958, that a "Middle Eastern child" born on February 5, 1962 would unite all warring religions and sects, that there would be a holocaust in 1980, cancer would be cured in 1967, and that Richard Nixon would serve his country well.

Make enough predictions, make them sort of vague, get them hyped by the media...and you're a prophet!

(By the way, the odds of Kennedy being assassinated while in office are about the same for any president of the US: 7 to 3 that it won't happen. That's from professional odds makers and if you doubt it, go look it up yourself.)

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Amos
Date: 11 Sep 07 - 09:53 AM

Wolfgang:

That list is a monument to the gullibility and illogical side of human nature. It is very funnty, especially when you think of all the serious pondering each of these predictions must have caused among followers.


A

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: PMB
Date: 11 Sep 07 - 10:31 AM

I think Donuel posted something about the hadron collider. I don't think it's turned on yet, they had a bit of bother with some magnets.

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Becca72
Date: 11 Sep 07 - 11:28 AM

"Women will still shriek when they wake up on their fortieth birthday."

Being as that is the year I will turn 40, this one may actually be true :-)

Subject: RE: BS: What do we know about 2012?
From: Llanfair
Date: 11 Sep 07 - 11:52 AM

So that's a no, then?