Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'

Subject: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: bobad
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 07:34 PM

I came upon this CD by chance in a record store today and figured that I should support a poor, struggling musician (and fellow Mudcatter) so I shelled out the big bucks and bought it and I must say that I'm glad I did. I last saw Ron accompanying Bruce Murdoch in Montreal a couple of weeks ago and was very impressed with his musicianship and style, both of which are amply showcased on this CD. I don't know if this is "folk" music but I do know that it is good music. It is bluesy, jazzy, topical, entertaining and is not afraid to tell it like it is. Highly recommended. Check out some samples here.

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: Beer
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 09:31 AM

Great musician.
Beer (adrien)

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 10:09 AM

Working with that guy is as close to singer-songwriter heaven as a guy can get. He is a tremendous musician and true friend. To say I like his music would be an understatement of major proportion. Sorry I missed this thread yesterday.

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: bankley
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 10:33 AM

Now this is a surprise....but if you want to hear complete versions of 'Line', 'Ditch', 'The Spell' and a newer one 'Sing and Play', they're posted on Myspace under my name. Thanx for buying the CD, bobad, now I can go south in Feb... but really, this project is kinda my '33 1/3 Revolutions per Minute' as far as the topical stance goes... no mincing of words, lots of variety. The writing started in '03, and I found that there weren't many musicians talking about the issues.. a lot of fear around... Cash was dead, and this was pre-Dixie Chicks vs. Bush... so, being a folkie at heart and, maybe also, being more foolish than afraid, I set out to say what I wanted to hear, and paid for the production myself..in full..didn't cost a helluva lot.. (compared to the old days) the licensing deals came later and it was released in '06... I had beaucoup fun with the musicians involved,,, it seems like there are a lot of artists now that have jumped on the band wagon..which is all right but it started to get crowded, so I jumped off to do another CD that won't be as dark... it might even have a new Murdoch song on it ! thanks for listening and the support... R.

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 11:52 AM

Bankster: Could this be God's way of kicking you in the "Can'ts"? SHE might be telling you to WRITE & RECORD MORE SONGS! That, and a combination of the Spirit of The Ville Emard Blues Band rising from within...USE THAT VOICE!
bob

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: bankley
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 02:10 PM

well Bob... I've never really stopped writing. Got a lot of songs in the pantry and more on the way. The recording process has become so much easier with the new technology. I can do a lot at home, but still use a bigger 'studio' for real drums, (when needed),larger room sound, different microphones etc. Kinda nice to combine both, which is what happened with 'Insurgent Sun'...eg.. there's a cut on there called 'Anthem for Dissent'.. the spoken part recorded in my friend's basement in Chase BC. His name is Splitting the Sky.. I used a pool cue as a mic stand, some duct tape to hold the mic, and recorded into a small digital studio which is about as big as a ham sandwich. Added the guitar and bass parts in my basement in Que. at the time... but I had a real mic stand this time (luxury!)... the trax were taken to a so-called 'pro studio' in Montreal... transferred, EQ-ed, and finally mixed there.. we were getting airplay at WBAI in NYC, as well as sister stations in DC, NM, and Oregon...and posted on the Justice Through Music Project site out of DC. well before the CD was licensed or released. Nobody asked where it was done or what kind of gear we used... so hooray for our side....

as Duke Ellington once said when asked what was good music, "If it sounds good, it is good".... so now it's a matter of what to take out of the pantry, and which combination of songs would make a fine stew without blowing up the kitchen... and for which 'market'..... lately, I've been collaborating with other writers/musicians who(m) I respect just to get the synergy level up, (that's the Ville Emard spirit that you mentioned) anyhow, it feels good and to me that's what it's all about... the rest we deal with to the best of our ability.... it's a volunteer army after all, and I'd rather have a six-string in my hands than a MP3 player/taser unit... see you soon.... R

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 02:14 PM

Well said.

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 10:31 AM

Ron: I know. Just funnin' ya. But I feel it's important to keep the energy up...
For me. it's like Joe Meek. It's not what you have, but how you use it. It's what comes out the speakers that counts. How you get there is up to you. Charlie Parker used to say, "learn all you can about harmony/theory, then forget all that sh&t and PLAY" So throw the rule book out and go for it...We do our best, every day...Take Care...bob

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 10:34 AM

Hey, Bob. Was great seeing you. E-mail me, OK?

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 10:50 AM

Peace: Yes. Better in private. Might be a bit later on. Encouraging you to get a myspace music profile up ASAP...bob

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 10:51 AM

Not for a while, Bob. We'll talk.

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 05:27 PM

looks like I'm in good company all around......

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: Beer
Date: 20 Jan 08 - 09:29 PM

Hi Ron. Was up visiting Stormin Norman this weekend that is coming to a close and had a real good time. He started a coffee house in a basement of a church in Picton. It is once a month and this was his second time around. A full full house.
He sends his regards and congratulations on your new c/d. He also said that Bruce was in very good hands with you as back up. He told me that you are a guitarist that can anticipate the mood of the person you are backing up. No shit nor lies, he said you were the best that he ever played with. and Dan Ruben was the best on harp. Don't know if you know Dan or not. He now lives somewhere around Grand forks B.C.
Just thought you'd like to hear this. Was up at Bobad's Thursday on the way up and after a very nice smoke meat meal he played your new c/d for me. Not quite what I expected but very very good.
Congratulations.
Adrien

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: bankley
Date: 21 Jan 08 - 02:26 PM

Hey Beer, that's good news all around... don't know Dan... someone else to look forward to meeting one day...
well as far as 'anticipating the mood', being an accompanist is a highly intuitive thing, for me at least. If you're not attuned to the singer and the song, then it detracts rather than supports the work and artist. There's the flash, 'look-at-me', 'over here' approach, some players think that they're getting paid by the note.. so they put lots in there, and if they crank it up, maybe a bonus too!.... I learned early in the studios and on stage what not to do. It's been 2nd nature for a long time... also, it's important to stay relaxed, make it seem easy, even if it isn't. Chet Atkins was a master at this... Playing more than solo is a team sport after all...when the basic structure is familiar territory there has to be room enough for the unexpected... that's where the magic lives....

So, Bobad, smoked meat and a dose of "Insurgent Sun" eh ? Hope that you didn't get indigestion... yeah , you were probably expecting something along the lines of 'Djilia'... pretty instrumentals and such... which is great too.... but 'Ins. Sun' is just a pure kick-ass, no holds barred, 'newscast and arts report'...howlin' slide at the gates of the beast.... it was good to get it out of my system.... the next one will be a bit mellower but still enough edge here and there for the sake of continuity with the last one.... and Bruce's project is a bonafide delight... I'm honoured and lucky to be involved....       hi to Stormy.... maybe I'll show up at his coffee house sometime and surprise the hell out of him... it's been too long.......

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: Peace
Date: 21 Jan 08 - 02:47 PM

Just listened to the track, Ron. Love it. Thank you very much.

That thing about being a 'second-guitarist' or today a 'back-up guitarist' is lots more difficult than it seems to be on first listen. Some guys I've worked with who do solid work that does support the song/singer are my buddies Ron Bankley, Bill Garrett, Rick Whitelaw and Noah Zacharin. They are tasteful, and they know the show is about the song. I have never heard those guys when I have had the honour of them doing the back-up. I know they'll be where they have to be when they have to be there. Pros all the way.

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: bankley
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 09:35 AM

you could start a whole new topic on 'hired guns'... here's a few that I respect, some have moved on to front and center stage..

Amos Garrett
David Wilcox (the Canadian)
J.P. Cormier
Andrew Hardin (Tom Russell)
Jason Wilbur (John Prine)
Kevin McLaughlin
Duke Robillard
Shawn Camp
Steve Wariner
Marty Stuart (Lester Flatt, Johnny Cash)
Ricky Scaggs (Emmylou Harris)
Vince Gill (Roseanne Cash..many others)
Willie Nelson (Ray Price)
Danny Gatton (Roger Miller)
Albert Lee (Emmylou, The Everlys)
Brent Mason (just about everybody in studio)
Kevin Breit (Nora Jones)

and of course the legends... Hank Garland, Scotty Moore, James Burton
Barney Kessel, Buck Owens and that's just 'Country-ish' based, with overlapping styles....

kind of cool when the 'name or act' can chop his own wood... like
Merle Travis, Hank Thompson, Glen Campbell, Roy Clark, Vince, and new-comers Brad Paisley, Keith Urban, John Mayer....and , of course, Jimi Hendrix..(Isley Bros.)

that's a lot of strings and licks... I'm sure that I've missed quite a few, but that's just off the top....

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 11:14 AM

Ron: Jennifer Batten. Another hired gun. All this brought me back to being with Frank Quinn and meeting Fred Torak. I was practising 8 hours a day at this point. I would practise with John McLaughlin's "Birds of Fire," and it's at this point that I brought it to Fred, who transcribed it for me, while it was playing. Wow. I too, have had the honor to be backed up by the lovely Rick Whitelaw(L.O.L.) and the beautiful Noah Zacharin(L.O.L). Played Mariposa with David Wilcox(Cdn.) as backup. And also got backed up by Jimi James here in Montreal. One of the few guys I've met who was able to put the right chords behind a song I'd written. Did a little Blues with George Benson on stage at the Musician's Union. Another Blessing. As you know what you leave out is just as important as what you play. And when you're with guys that know what their doing, it is Soooo much easier to "do a show", especially in a "Folk" context with monologues and stories to perform. I'm a fan of all the guys you mentioned. Another "picker" not to forget is Scotty Anderson and I wouldn't have minded a bit if Roy Clark(Bless) showed up too. There's a lot of great people out there...
And now, for those who haven't seen this, a little bit of Jennifer...
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=LZBuzbe9xCo
bob

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: bankley
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 03:15 PM

Hey Bob, yeah...Jimmy James aka Demitrios Bakolios.... we used to hang and jam a lot in NDG. A real Teddy Bear and wizard on the electric. Mind bending..

Scott Lang played really nice as well when he was with John Lutz, and Tex Lecor

Doogie Trineer...my cousin, was the first picker that I saw playing Atkins songs, so then I knew it was possible and not just recording gimmicks...he also hipped me to Lenny Breau and Buddy Emmons..

he's still at it in his studio in St Jerome, plays everything, but mostly pedal steel these days

Danny Greenspoon, from Sylvia Tyson to many years with Murray McLaughlin.... really tasty player, funny as hell, and a fine producer

these are some of the Montreal players.... and Fred Torak.. backed up so many, from Peggy Lee to Roger Whitaker....a real friend and mentor to many...the shoeless cobbler... and what about Nelson Symonds ? damn.. I've never seen or heard chords like that....and fast..

Whitelaw and I had a trio for awhile 'Semi-Koma'.. now that was fun... Stranger than Dangerous..

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: Beer
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 04:08 PM

Was speaking to Nanette Workman this morning at the local coffee hang out. She loves to get up and sing with Jimmie James a few numbers. Jimmie was a regular in a small town (St. Martin) last year and man can he put out. His back up on bass is a fellow by the name of Carl Rufh. I think their drummers name is "Sarrazin" or something close to that.
Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that I was very close to nailing all four to play last year at the Branches and Roots But Nanette had another gig and by the time I got to Jimmie, it was also to late.

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 05:10 PM

Good for you , Beer...
Jimmie's her regular guitarist. Has been for a long time. She also works with Bob Stagg on B3. Fine player. I'm on the same record label as Nanette. Some good artists in their stable. Blues and world mostly.....

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: GUEST,bankley
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 05:13 PM

ps that's 'bankley' talking.. on a different pc is all

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 05:23 PM

Hi Kids: Yeah. Love 'em all. Jimmy(soul of Jimi). So he's playing Tatoo around "87-"89 with 2 Roland cubes. This was B.D.(before he went digital) and one of the pedals is going on him and he takes it out while the song is playing and just keeps playing....His rig reminded me of Frankenstein's monster. A floor full of pedals all wired together. Wouldn't have surprised me if electrical charges became visible like lightening bolts from the ceiling. ZZZAAAAP! Just wild! I showed him 2 guitars I'd gotten, an Urchin by Aria. So it's one of these outer space heavy metal jobs and he recommends I saw off parts of it which he felt weren't necessary. L.O.L. Then, years later, I show up with my new Strat ('88) and THAT he takes while we're in Jo-Jo's and balances it on his right hand, holding it upright, walking up the aisle. With this wild look in his eyes, laughing...Yo! I was jamming with him one night at Tatoo and I look back at my '69 Super Reverb which is on Vol/4or5 and I couldn't hear it at all! He was LOUD!!!! Oh yeah. When I first came to Canada, just before I got the Super, I met Robert Charlebois' guitar player who had this refrigerator size Amp, I think it was a Traynor. Coming out of folk, I had it on 2 to try it out. The guy looks at me like the R.C.A. dog, like "what are you doing? And CRANKS it. So loud I literally went backwards in the garage where he had it. Hope Jimmy takes care. Last time I spoke to him, he was having a bit of a problem hearing me. Too many years at 7.
Doogie(Dougle) Sure. Rick Whitelaw(ALWAYS laughing) and I went to see him as I remember. Used to go back and forth to Nashville. Great guy. Danny Greenspoon with the big smile. Many nights at The Yellow Door. Murray and Bruce Cockburn too.
{And Beer}. If you're reading this, Carl Rufh was at Ormstown. Love the guy. His wife used to dance by herself while Jimmy was playing. All these years, and I never met Nanette Workman. Love to meet her. If you see her, give her a hug from this stranger she's never met and tell her Thanks for the music. Please...
Back to Ron. Used to catch Nelson Symonds(and his brother) too. And Richard Ringue(hope I spelled it right) Not to forget Peter Leitch, who had a beautiful L-5.
Better sign off, or this will get to be a book...
bob

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: Beer
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 06:30 PM

A lot of this should probably be on that other threat that is over 700 responses.
Bob/Ron. Did you know a Jacques Labelle. Great Jazz/Blues player.
Carl lives about a kl from me and Nanette about 2.
Will give her hug from a stranger.

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: bobad
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 06:48 PM

Used to see Nelson Symonds at Café la Bohème on Guy St. late 60's early 70's, great jazz guitarist, cool jazz club, I wonder if it's still there.

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 07:42 PM

Beer: Jacques Labelle is mentioned on Eric Harding's(Montreal Jazz) myspace. Montreal is cosmopolitan and small town at the same time. Everybody has seen, met, or heard of...So many artists. Reminds me of going to "In Concert"(the club)or maybe it was a hotel/jazz bar, to see a well known Quebecoise female jazz singer. Can't remember the name right now, so long ago. Anyway, I watch the show and she runs off the stage and says, "Bob Ryszkiewicz" Twilight Zone time..."How do you know me?" I ask. she says "I used to go to the Yellow Door to see you when I was 14." And time goes on...
Honestly, I might even have met Jacques over the 42 year period I've been in the game, but right now, I don't remember. Wish him well too... Thanks. bob

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 08:50 PM

Goodnight GuitarSlingers...Signing off with a little Gary Moore...
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=XXYjEMTQRm0
bob

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: Azizi
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 09:01 PM

I really like music which-as bobad puts it-is "bluesy, jazzy, topical, entertaining and is not afraid to tell it like it is".

You done good, Ron!

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: GUEST,bankley
Date: 23 Jan 08 - 07:47 PM

thanks A., just wanted to say one more thing.... I forgot to mention my all time favorite guitar-man from Montreal...whom I haven't seen in many years.... he's totally below the radar at this time.... hasn't been in the public eye or ear for years....his choice.. we go back to our teen age days in NDG in competing bands, then became allies and great friends..... and that was the last millenium.. did a lot of road and shows together, and he was resposible for introducing me around the Quebecois music scene and vouching for me....

his name is Robert Stanley, and I wish him well..

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: bankley
Date: 25 Jan 08 - 02:03 PM

also Walter Rossi

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 26 Jan 08 - 09:37 AM

Ron: Got to add Ted Quinlan(w/Brian Hurley-Bass), Frank Marino, and Ted Greene(telecaster,not from Montreal) , but, in a Spiritual sense, that a lot of Montreal guys had his album, and were studying it. Fred would know. Hope it's all good for ya over there...bob

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: bankley
Date: 26 Jan 08 - 10:27 AM

it sure is..... Ted was a wonderful player and teacher... a close friend of Lenny's....

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: Peace
Date: 31 Jan 08 - 01:47 PM

I listened to this CD last evening and loved it.

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: bankley
Date: 31 Jan 08 - 04:10 PM

glad that you rec'd it... was hoping it would put some warmth into that severe prairie chill.... I left the machine-gun fire out as it had already been done by some fine young folksinger way back...

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: Peace
Date: 31 Jan 08 - 04:22 PM

Ron, you have on that CD one of the best 'social protest' songs I've ever heard. Knocked me out.

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: bankley
Date: 31 Jan 08 - 04:31 PM

would that be featuring 'Splitting the Sky' by any chance?

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: Peace
Date: 31 Jan 08 - 05:30 PM

The one mild criticism I have--no, not mild, but I'll put it mildly--is this:

The CD wasn't autographed. READ THIS POST. It wasn't autographed.

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: bankley
Date: 31 Jan 08 - 05:49 PM

oops,.... well next time I see you, we'll fix it.. besides I wanted to send a bit of plastic wrapper too. You never know when you might need some on the high Plains in winter. If you crinkle it up near your good ear.... or a mic, it sounds like a campfire from the old radio days.... you should see what I can do with coconut shells...

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: Guldhamstern
Date: 14 Aug 08 - 07:33 PM

I've just given the songs on myspace a second chance, and I now find it really pleasing to listen to.

I in particulary like the line:

For every mile of road, there's two mile of ditch.

I will certanly try to lay my hand on the cd, if the opportunity rise in the bright future.

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 14 Aug 08 - 07:49 PM

Thank you SO much for putting this thread up, Guldy, I didn't know it was here.

Tomorrow, (or later on today) I'll put some words on here about it...as I've got this CD and it's superb! But right now, I have to go to sleep, as it's already tomorrow over here in England..

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Aug 08 - 08:06 PM

It's a good CD. Very effective protest writing. And I like the incorporation of a blues sound into the protest singing.

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: bankley
Date: 14 Aug 08 - 10:17 PM

aw hell, now I'm gonna have to change my name and move to another little sleepy town... again...

okay, if any 'Catters really want a copy, just message me and we'll do what we can... I'm not trying to drum up business for myself.. just contribute what you can to the Mudcat Cafe... it's important that this site stays alive and well, what with Internet 2 just around the corner...

and ...any thread that can get Peace and Carol C to agree is gotta be a wonder to behold.... thanks folks... Ron

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: topical tom
Date: 15 Aug 08 - 04:21 PM

A great sing-writer-musician is Ron Bankley. I thoroughly enjoyed his singing and back-up work at Apple Hollow and his set at Branches and Roots a few years back.Now to get a cd.

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 02:07 PM

I neglected to buy this CD at Apple Hollow in July. You ARE gonna be back in 2009 n'est-çe pas?

(See - je speak un peu French.)

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: Beer
Date: 04 Oct 08 - 08:09 PM

Refresh.

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: GUEST,Bankley
Date: 04 Oct 08 - 10:16 PM

at this point, Jeri, it's hard to say....but thanks for asking,

I'll tell you what, pm me your address and I'll make sure you get a copy before your elections... a little mood music for the sideshow.... and Beer, tho there were many fine moments at the last edition, (just seeing Bruce show up with a new CD was priceless), but the highpoint for me was hooking back up with Stormin' Norman after way too long an absence.... meanwhile, I'm making solid progress with my new CD and when that's wrapped will hopefully lend a hand to Norm so that he will have some of his songs and stories recorded, then there's Bruce's new CD, and a more acoustic Canadiana project of my own, then something with JT, then maybe a Euro tour with Dac and Willie and then....well, so on and so forth... but the best laid mice of plans and men do sometimes go awry...   much luv R.

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: Peace
Date: 04 Oct 08 - 11:36 PM

Ron, can you receive e-mails? Got some seriously good news. As you said, maybe. We gotta talk.

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 11:11 AM

yeah, I sure can no matter where I ramble... anytime,, great stuff lad... and have a splendid day

Subject: RE: Review: Ron Bankley 'Insurgent Sun'
From: GUEST,bankley
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 11:14 AM

that was meself on someone else's rig...