BS: Prince Harry - What a star!

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 03:45 PM

I don't know Harry so I can't say if he is racist or not. Certainly there is nothing in that video to indicate to me that he is racist. Clearly it wasn't a sensible thing to say but he has apologised and that should be the end of the matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 04:37 PM

well we'll see.

A spirited defence of of harry, Lizzie - and I hope he deserves it.

I will say this though - you learn a lot of 'bad shit' at public school. Ingrained racism and class hatred without even knowing that its happening to you (see my post 12 Jan 09 - 01:54 PM ).

You're right Lizzie - I don't know harry, but I know how that form of education works on the soul. After which, he's not gone to university - but to one of the recognised havens of racism and that kind of nastiness in our society.

People do come out of it with all the decency and warmth of james Blunt

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 04:38 PM

- but not too often, one fancies.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 05:05 PM

"calling someone exactly those same words, you'd castigate him for it.
Double standards, methinks, Jim.
Nope, just taking a lead from my betters (to make my point).
"I find this most odd, as you've never met him, but, hey ho."
Never met Hitler, but I believe he was a nasty little prick as well.
The double standards come from people who believe racist language to be acceptable as long as it's used by our 'betters'
Roll o the republic
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 05:26 PM

"No, we don't 'go to war' Lizzie, we are sent to war by people just like this nasty little prick and his family" - Jim Carroll

Now over the years I've come across some pretty bloody stupid ill-informed crap written by supposedly intelligent people on this Forum - But that Jim-lad - Takes the f**kin' biscuit!! There is not one whit of it true, nor could it have been true for rather a large number of years now - In fact Jim, not since 1688.

Don't believe me Jim - direct from the "horses mouth as it were":

From - HOUSE OF LORDS
Select Committee on the Constitution

15th Report of Session 2005 - 2006

"Waging war: Parliament's role and responsibility"

Volume 1 - REPORT

Chapter 1 Introduction and Background

INTRODUCTION
1. Under the Royal prerogative powers, the Government can declare war and deploy armed forces to conflicts abroad without the backing or consent of Parliament.

BACKGROUND
The origins and nature of the prerogative
4. The Royal prerogative derives from the constitutional settlement enshrined in the Bill of Rights 1688, which in effect transferred to Ministers certain rights which were previously the exclusive preserve of the Monarch.

So from that Jim - Neither Harry's Granny or any of her predecessors going all the way back to William of Orange could send any of their subjects off to war as you contend.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 06:14 PM

I kinda glossed over that one, Teribus, 'cos I thought he was just trying to wind me up. ;0) Thanks for that info, though.


Al, public schools. Nope, you're not getting off lightly on that one either.. :0)

Yes, they can produce some 'orrible little oiks.

So can comprehensives. So can colleges. So can universities.

HOWEVER, public schools can also produce folk like Tom Bliss, a bloomin' decent man, if ever there was one.

All other forms of schools can do the same. Well, not produce a Tom Bliss, as he's a one-off of course, but...you know what I mean. :0)

It's not the schools, but the souls who are in them which count.

The hope is that 'the system', in all types of school, doesn't crush those souls, but hey, don't get me started on education again. :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 03:30 AM

Lizzie,
As I remember it, historically, one of the reasons for going to war has always been "for Queen and Country" - that was very much part of my education anyway.
Anyway, as much as you might bluff and bluster, the main points are these. Here we have a family with a history of racist abuse and support for racist regimes. The latest examples are:
"Paki" - as in "Paki-bashing"
"Towel-"head" - as in "Let's go and kick the shit out of some Third-World country". (both of these from somebody who dresses up in a Nazi uniform)
"Fuzzy-Wuzzie" - see above.
"Sooty" - as in some poor creature destined to wander through life with somebody's hand up their arse!
All this from the wealthiest family in the land - thanks to their ability to live off the State.

Question - is such racism (please tell me these terms aren't racist) acceptable from State employees and would it be accepted were it to come from, say, a politician?

Question - would you like a family like this to move into your neighbourhood?

Question - how would you feel if one of them wanted to marry your sister?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 03:51 AM

"As I remember it, historically, one of the reasons for going to war has always been "for Queen and Country" - that was very much part of my education anyway." - Jim Carroll

Well in that case Jim, your education was sadly lacking.

I had a good laugh at - one of the reasons for going to war has always been "for Queen and Country". Now the context in which I've always heard the phrase for Queen/King and Country was the reason given for serving in the armed forces. Oddly enough I have never heard of it being given as a reason for going to war, perhaps you can furnish us with some examples Jim.

Needless to say if your arguement and point of view are based on biased, ill-informed, erroneous crap then it will not stand up to any rational examination.

As for the rest of your post - you're scrambling and grasping at straws. If you find yourself in a hole Rule 1 is always - stop digging.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 04:00 AM

PS - Jim

I believe you wrote this:

"All this from the wealthiest family in the land - thanks to their ability to live off the State."

You also need to check your facts on that as well.

1. The Royal family contribute to the exchequor at least three times what they receive from the "civil purse".

2. The Royal family are most certainly not the "wealthiest family in the land".

3. If you got rid of the Royal family tomorrow they would give themselves a 300% pay rise, the Government's coffers would only receive tax on net profit and would still have to pay for whoever it was became the new Kool-Britannia Head of State and their staff.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 05:02 AM

Jim, it's very hard to have a reasonable conversation with someone who seems to equate Prince Harry with Hitler. Yikes! I mean, come on...let's get real here.

Harry's friend, Ahmed, has already stood up and said that he doesn't mind his nickname, nor does he mind Harry using it, and that his friend, the very same person you equate with Hitler, is NOT a racist.

Absolute end of story.

Unless you are someone who unequivocally hates an entire family in the same way that others hate an entire race..in which case, they'll simply keep spitting out the vitriol, same as any racist would, trying to turn all and sundry against those who are their prey.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Rasener
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 05:08 AM

>>Question - how would you feel if one of them wanted to marry your sister?
Jim Carroll <<

As long as it wasn't Prince Philip, I would be OK with that.
Wish I had a sister

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 07:09 AM

""Personally I get as tired of the phrase PC (political correctness - opposite = political incorrectness), the opposite as I do with do-gooders opposite do-badders.
What I do find extremely depressing is that we need legislation to protect us from those who wish to pollute the world with terms like wog, nig-nog, coon, yid,""


And who protects us from those who use phrases like "overprivileged inbred buggers"? Nobody at all!

""everyone goes round calling him 'Your Majesty'""

NOT so WLD! Only the monarch is called "Majesty". Harry is a SIMPLE HRH, who is more likely to have been called "Ginger", or "Ginge", by his army colleagues, something which some people would find offensive.

Just a small moral comment.

I have been waiting for someone on this forum to point out that whoever passed the tape to N.o.t.W. was guilty of the CRIMINAL offence of theft, and that nasty rag was guilty of handling stolen property.

But that's alright, as long as it affords an opportunity for some here to vent their spleen on a young man who has done nothing more than be born into the royal family. The only person here with an ounce of impartiality on this subject appears to be Lizzie C.

I hate racism as much as anyone, but what is happening here is little, if any, better.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 07:44 AM

From Guest Alan:

"Thanks Lizzie, pity you deleted your bebo account ;)"

Now that's an interesting phrase, because the only reason I opened a bebo account, and very recently too, was to slam into two guys who were BNP supporters, who were saying some really degrading things about Mudcat and the people on here, particularly the women. One of them had a page called 'Mudcat Cafe' as I recall.

I've just re-registered to take another look and it seems you've closed your page to viewings.

Well, well, well.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Stu
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 10:45 AM

"3. If you got rid of the Royal family tomorrow they would give themselves a 300% pay rise, the Government's coffers would only receive tax on net profit and would still have to pay for whoever it was became the new Kool-Britannia Head of State and their staff."

So? There's more than money at stake here. I wouldn't swear allegiance to these nutsacks as our newly-accepted fellow citizens have to. My family have lived enough years under the Norman Yoke as is (well, those from these Islands anyway).

At least the tax payer won't be contributing the their upkeep and they will be looking after themselves like the rest of us has to, then Harry can dress up as a Nazi and call his mates whatever racist names he wants - he'll be like a large proportion of his countrymen.

"I hate racism as much as anyone, but what is happening here is little, if any, better."

I reserve the right to satirise, criticise and downright insult the anachronism that is the Royal Family whom I pay part of my income to, and I will gladly desist when they stop taking my tax money and withdraw from public life. Nothing personal to them as individuals, but the idea ordinary people should be funding the very rich simply because of some misplaced, outdated loyalty to a corrupt monarchy which couldn't give a shit about many of their subjects, have no concept of the problems of ordinary people, and share little if any sense of solidarity with their 'subjects'.

There are people in the wider community with little or nothing who give their lives to helping others without thought for themselves, and these people are the ones we should be rewarding, not the head of a feudal system whose ancestors and representatives have been responsible for years of oppression, subjugation and the systematic fleecing of the working people in this and many other countries.

That Harry seems to forget this is testament to the fact he lives a life a privilege far removed from the trials and tribulations that will beset many of his age throughout their entire lives.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 03:08 PM

More than money involved - the charge levelled against them was that they (The Royal family) lives off the state.

The deal is the Exchequor gets the revenue from the Royal Estate last figures over £190 million and in exchange awards the "Civil Purse" about £60 million - You tell me SFB who's coming out ahead.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 03:17 PM

Much of what I wanted to say has been said far more eloquently by Sugarfoot Jack - busy now, but for the time being - this is not about the hatred of a family, it's about a public figure drawing from the public purse who indulges in racist abuse and behaviour. That his victim didn't take offence (complaining about a member of the Royal family would have helped his army career no end, I'm sure) is beside the point, HRH's (and other family members') racist behaviour has given offence to other Asians, and , no doubt, a shot in the arm to fellow racists.
No, I don't know if The Royals are racist, I do know that their behaviour suggests that they are, and it's my experience that if it quacks and waddles it's probably a duck.
My experience also tells me that you don't have to scratch an apologist for racism too deeply to find a real racist.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 03:38 PM

"My experience also tells me that you don't have to scratch an apologist for racism too deeply to find a real racist."



So, what you mean then, Jim, is if anyone disagrees with you, then they are a racist?

Hmmm.....now that's a new twist.


Ahmed's a Captain already, Jim! Gone are the days when people were hushed up for fear of losing their jobs! Hells bells, there's a whole media army out there waiting for him to tell it the way they want to hear it.

The trouble is, Ahmed is happy being Harry's friend and isn't scared to say so.

I'm sorry you've not got the ending you wanted to this story, and I realise that you'll go on twisting and spining it for a while to come yet, but truly, it's just best to accept what Ahmed said, and that is that Harry is NOT a racist.

Gawd, who'd want to a member of the Royal family, eh, with some of the posters in here waiting outside your gate.

Scary. :0)

Ooh, look! Prince Harry, who some in here feel is a racist!


Get over it, guys.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 03:52 PM

And here's some more...


Some in here will love the comments on some of these videos, because they're as vitriolic as some of the posts in here.

And *that* is what the power of the press can do. They can either turn you into a hero or a villain. Prince Harry made a stupid mistake going to a fancy dress party and for that they'll make sure they torture him for the rest of his days, as will some in here.

Leave the lad alone and go pick on someone your own size, preferably some that you actually KNOW!



And if you wonder why I get so *incensed* at those who throw the word 'racist' around like water, it's because I've had it thrown at me, so I know what it feels like. More than though, I also know what a small group of people, 'on a mission' can do to twist the minds of others against you. So I'll fight for Harry, and I'll fight for *anyone* else who people don't know personally, but who they throw mud at as if it's their right!

The comments in here, at times, have me rage!   A young lad's life is what we're talking about here, not some cartoon character, but a young lad who has already lost his mother.

How many of you walked behind your mother's coffin when you were just 12 years old, in full view of the public, not even being allowed to show emotion?????

How many of you have to live with your mother being dragged through dirt, year after year, and yet you have no right of reply!

Well, I too had my voice taken away by those who twisted and span in their own campaign, so again, I know a little of how it feels to have people tell total lies about, watch the words go out into the public domain and know there is NOTHING you can do about it, and I tell you this Jim, it stinks! It absolutely, 100% stinks.

So I have NO respect for people who leave deeply personal and foul comments about others on messageboards, thinking they're the bees knees. ONE person stood beside me and changed many minds back to the truth about me, and for that I will always be grateful, without that person I'd not be on this board either.....

Sometimes, people need others to fight for them, because they are unable to fight for themselves. Prince Harry may be part of the Royal Family, but he has no voice, he cannot lose it as you people can, nor say what he truly feels, EVER, because, as I said before, some little shite will be waiting to make his/her own fortune from that story too.

Now why not leave the lad alone and stop showing yourselves up! And apologies for any mistakes, but I'm so angry that I'm just going to post this!

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 04:38 PM

Alan, you are an anti ginger bigot!

To be prejudiced against a person because of their colouring is as offensive as racism.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 05:24 PM

I now get the distinct impression that Mr. Carroll is just lashing out blindly. Jim lad you really should do a little bit of research before planting your foot firmly in your mouth:

"(complaining about a member of the Royal family would have helped his army career no end, I'm sure)" - Yours I believe.

I do take it that you are blissfully unaware that HRH's supposed "victim" according to you is aserving officer in the armed forces of Pakistan. Now you tell me Jim, how does the Royal family influence the career of an officer in the Army of Pakistan???

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Jan 09 - 04:38 AM

"So, what you mean then, Jim, is if anyone disagrees with you, then they are a racist?"
No - they are when they excuse or indulge in racism - like calling people Pakie or Towelhead, or putting on Nazi uniforms, or claiming such behaviour to be acceptable.
"Now you tell me Jim, how does the Royal family influence the career of an officer in the Army of Pakistan??? "
No, I am not unaware of who or what he is. Do you really think it would not affect a serving soldier's career to complain about the yobbish behaviour of a member of the British Royal Family?
As I said - the real issues in question are
Are 'Pakie, Towelhead, Sooty and Fuzzy-Wuzzie terms of racist abuse?
Were they used by Edward and other members of the family?
Is the wearing of a Nazi uniform, as a joke, or for any reason deeply offensive
Is this acceptable behaviour for members of the royal family, public figures - or anybody?
Please remove your noses from the royal fundament and address the questions.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Stu
Date: 19 Jan 09 - 04:57 AM

"A young lad's life is what we're talking about here, not some cartoon character, but a young lad who has already lost his mother."

Which is a tragedy in itself, and what those boys have had to go through has been appalling and in many cases it's bang out of order they (or anyone else) should be treated like that.

But they're not boys anymore, they're well-educated (better than most), well-advised and intelligent men, and it's not a cartoon strip they're living in it's the real world and the real world is full of people for who the word 'Paki' is a pejorative and a term of abuse. Perhaps in the rarified atmosphere of Eton and Sandhurst the reality of life for those less fortunate than themselves in this country get overlooked and the idea the Royal Family can absolve themselves of responsibility for their faux-pas is nonsense and shouldn't be entertained.

I have no love for the arsewipe rags that pursue the Royal Family or anyone else for that matter, and it's depressing that so many in the country lap up the tabloid press in all it's forms.

But by the same token I don't care for the Royal Family for reasons I've already stated. They can look after themselves as they are filthy rich, and there are people far more deserving of reward for the part they play in community life and easing the suffering of others.

"The deal is the Exchequor gets the revenue from the Royal Estate last figures over £190 million and in exchange awards the "Civil Purse" about £60 million - You tell me SFB who's coming out ahead."

Teribus, I can't find this figure on the net, could you provide a ref please? According to wikipedia the Queen's tax details are voluntary and secret.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 Jan 09 - 06:23 AM

I've no idea where that information above comes from, but here in The Independent from last year, it states that the Royal Family and all that goes with it, the palaces, castles, jobs for so many people, etc..cost just 66p a year from each person

I don't think that's bad value, to be honest. Less than a price of a lottery ticket, and think what it encompasses. Jobs for hundreds, probably thousands, within the Royal Palaces, and without. A HUGE amount of revenue brought in through Tourism, heck, how would the tourists feel if Buck House was razed to the ground and replaced with Barrett Homes?

I mean, come on then, tell me what the plans are for this new England, this new Britain, this new United Kingdom, without the Royal Family? Do we get rid of ALL they have been associated with for centuries? Do we burn the palaces, the castles, the treasures, the paintings, the books, the furniture? Do we flatten it all, uproot Kings and Queens from the past, from Westminster Abbey and put them into Pauper's Graves, just to make a point that now WE are in charge?

The Royals have no power any more, they are merely figureheads. The Queen lost much respect over the way she treated Harry and William's mother, and for what she said about the 'annus horriblis' when Windsor Castle burnt down. Since that time, she's learnt that 'her people' aren't taking the freeloaders anymore.

They stated paying tax, and quite right too! They got rid of much of their free travel, the trains, planes etc..cut right back, everything was put under a microscope, the freeloaders amongst the Royals are now either cut out completely or paid an allowance by the Queen herself, and again, quite right too, because whilst she watched Windsor Castle burning down, many 'out here' were being turned out of their homes as they became repossessed. So she should jolly well use her own money at times.

Diane though, was different. You may loathe her as well, and I've no doubt many in here will, becasuse of their sentiments toward her son. But Diana reached out to everyone. She sat on the floor with them, hugged them, cuddled them, held their hands. She didn't care where people came from, if they had contagious diseases, were smelly or sick, if someone needed her, she touched them, held them.

She instilled that into her sons too. Many times they went to visit hostels for the homeless, the AIDS patients, all the time being taught by their mother, that there was another world out there, where people were hurting. And the people LOVED her for what she did. It wasn't just because they were 'brainwashed' by the media, not at all.

They saw, in Harry's mother, someone who was like them. She was battered from her parent's divorce, an unhappy child who grew into an unhappy and needy adult, who needed love desperately and who was able to give it in bucketloads. She got muddled, lost her way, found the man she so loved loved someone else, and the nightmares of her childhood came back, as her own children became those of a divorce too. Divorce deeply upsets children, believe me, I know. Harry and William had all that to contend with too, before their mother died, as well as all that came after, and is STILL coming after!

After she died many, MANY stories came out, along with video evidence, of Diana's private trips, on her own, to visit the 'ordinary' people. People she'd written to again in bucketloads, from Kensington Palace, people she'd come to know....And up she'd turn, unannounced, to have tea with them, in their council semi's....as happy as a lark to be treated as 'one of the family' to be around people who loved her for herself, who sensed that she needed them.

She married into a family where emotion is frowned upon, yet she was a very emotional woman. That's hard to deal with. The Royals were brought up to not show emotion. Diana stopped that. She went into the crowds, not caring about her safety, just wanting to reach out to others. She learnt a great deal from ordinary folk, and they took her to their hearts. She was human, she had weaknesses, she could manipulate the press when she wanted to, but to be honest, I don't blame her for doing that, because Charles's 'camp' also manipulated the press against her. Her life, at times, was desperately miserable and lonely, despite all the riches.

To be a warm person isolated within a cold place, is a hard thing.

She gave her sons a huge amount of love. She didn't want them sent away to boarding school either, and she made damn sure that she saw them as often as she could at weekends. She put 100% into those boys of hers. They'll not let her down. They haven't even begun to live their lives. Harry's still in the army, William's not that long out of University...you'd not be down the throats of your friend's sons in this way, so WHY are you doing this to them?

The use of the word 'Paki' was NOT used in malice. Please read that over and over and understand!!!!! It was a private name that Harry and others used for their mate, and it was used in a PRIAVATE video, which you ONLY got to see because some little shite stole it and sold it for loadsa money! And as I've said, who knows WHAT Harry's nicknames are, but I doubt he minds...

They're BLOKES in the ARMY, and Harry was being no different from the way I'm sure loads of his others mates are with and amongst each other, talking to one another without malice in friendly banter.

What do you want? Do you WANT him to be 'different' to all the other blokes in the army? Do you want him to be 'a Prince' at ALL times?
But, hang on, you don't WANT him to be a Prince, do you? You want that taken away from him.

So, he acts the same as all the others, and then, THEN you call him a little racist b*stard, even though no malice was given or received in a PRIVATE NICKNAME that has NOWT to do with you, or me, or the rest of the world, because it was private and NOT racially spat out!

For Gawd's sake...why don't you all go and start you're own country, with glowing gallows on every corner, to be used for every person who DARES step out of line of YOUR rules and regulations!

Harry's OK. He's still learning, he's still only young, and the fact he's no longer a boy, does not give anyone the right to be a bullying thug towards him, purely because they are so eaten up with hatred and jealousy.

Some of the comments I've seen in here have taken by breath away...and the irony is, of course, that 'Guest Alan' who bears an incredible resemblance to the earlier 'Guest Windsor Knot' let slip about the bebo account I had deleted. That told me that he was one of the two complete REAL racist shites that I went over to wallop on bebo, not only for the horrible things they've got on their pages about Mudcat and its posters, but also they're support of the BNP and their anti-Jewish mates and rantings.

And here are some of YOU agreeing with him!!!

There were only TWO people who knew about that bebo account, and they were the two racists I went over to have a go at...You have one of them in here, and you've all been so busy desperately trying to agree wtih him, and depict Diana's son as a racist, despite Harry's very friends telling you the EXACT opposite, that you've all been too blind to see you've been wound up by a real nasty piece of work!

I'll leave some of you to 'agree' with 'Guest Alan' now, in the knowledge of who you are actually agreeing WITH!

You couldn't make it up, you really couldn't!

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Stu
Date: 19 Jan 09 - 06:39 AM

" 66p a year from each person "

Which amounts to £40 million year, which they don't need and could be far better spent helping home carers, buying drugs for the NHS or any number of far more worth causes.

"For Gawd's sake...why don't you all go and start you're own country"

Don't need to - this is my country and it's mine as much as anyone else's. My ancestors have had to put up with this ridiculous system through the millennia and it's time we called a halt to it.

Time for a worker's republic! An elected house of Lords! Down with the Royal parasites!

But the gentry must come down, and the poor shall wear the crown.
Stand up now, Diggers all.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Jan 09 - 06:41 AM

Do we flatten it all, uproot Kings and Queens from the past?

Nah! The ones of the present......wouldn't mind flattening and uprooting them!

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 19 Jan 09 - 06:55 AM

Can't those who actually WANT a Royal Family pay for them?
They're not exactly the National Health Service after all.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 Jan 09 - 07:41 AM

" 66p a year from each person "

>>Which amounts to £40 million year, which they don't need and could be far better spent helping home carers, buying drugs for the NHS or any number of far more worth causes.<<


Well, have your way then. Just don't forget to explain to the thousands whose very jobs and lives depend on that 66pence, that you've all decided what's best and you know all about every single one of the Royal family, and all of their future offspring, because you're all such experts..and caring, fair minded, kind people.

Cover over the gaping hole in the economy when the tourists go elsewhere and put yer gibbets and gallows up in Old London Town.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 Jan 09 - 07:51 AM

Oh, and that 66pence doesn't go into the Queen's handbag, does it?

Every penny has to be accounted for.

Would she pay, out of her own money, to keep all the palaces and castles going, all the history and the pageantry? Of course she wouldn't. I've no doubt she'd be bankrupt in a very short space of time, but...I guess that would make you guys real happy.

And hey, you could all frame your 66 pennies in gold, or wear them as a necklace of triumph.

Go and join The Sealed Knot, then you can chop off Charles I's head over and again, whilst beating up the Royalists. At least you could get your anger out in a different way. ;0)

Oh, and the NHS has had MILLIONS and MILLIONS poured into it, and yet things are still so terribly wrong. That's not lack of money, but money being directed to the wrong places and decisions being made by people who've no idea what they're doing, or how hospitals should be run.   I know, I used to sit and listen to the guys I worked for, tearing themselves apart over how St. Bartholowmew's was being run, by people whose main interest was themselves, and 'making a point' rather than listening to doctors, nurses and surgeons. Put the NHS back in charge of the medical staff far more and watch it start to bloom again.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Stu
Date: 19 Jan 09 - 08:50 AM

"Go and join The Sealed Knot, then you can chop off Charles I's head over and again, whilst beating up the Royalists. At least you could get your anger out in a different way. ;0)"

Er, I'm not such a fan of Oliver Cromwell either. I'm reading a very good book on the English Civil War at the moment by Susan Parnell. I have thought about the Sealed Knot, but apparently it's not difficult to break a rib or worse in a push of pike. Gerrard Winstanley has long been a personal hero of mine though.

However, getting rid of the monarchy is a great idea.

"Put the NHS back in charge of the medical staff far more and watch it start to bloom again."

I couldn't agree more.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Jan 09 - 09:26 AM

well you've conviced me lizzy.

66p is a real bargain.

I'll have two of them - make that with fries, and a chocolate drop Macflurry.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 Jan 09 - 09:30 AM

They banned women from 'the field' for a while, Jack, after she caught a 16 foot pike in the spleen. Very nasty.

It's pretty scary when you're in a 'hedgehog' too, if you'll pardon the expression! lol There you are, trapped in the middle of a circle of men with 16 ft pikes (ooer, missus), pikes all facing outwards, and you get charged by the enemy on horseback...horses are terrified, canon and musket firing off all around you, and nowhere to run...

Lizzie, former Camp Follower and adminstererererrrrr of water to the sick and needy soldiers.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 Jan 09 - 09:34 AM

"I'll have two of them - make that with fries, and a chocolate drop Macflurry."

LOL

Hey, I've even got a Royal McDonald's connection here...Yup!

First time I *ever* went to a McDonalds, in about 1865, was in Windsor! It's right opposite the castle, still there too. I was a bit excited as they were so coooooool, in those days. I had a Big Mac and lurrrrrrved it!

I love Windsor too, really pretty town. WHY Mrs. Queen bought the castle though I've no idea, because she has planes flying over every few minutes which she could almost reach out and touch. Must have been a darn good estate agent who sold it to her! ;0)

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Jan 09 - 09:55 AM

Taken from:

"The Crown Estates Annual Report 2008"

Chairman's Introduction The Crown Estate Website

"Over the last 12 months, The Crown Estate achieved tremendous financial results in difficult market conditions. I am delighted that we have returned £211.4 million to the Treasury, in the form of our net revenue surplus, an increase of 5.6% on the previous year. Capital values also rose to £7.3 billion, up 3.3% on the previous year."

So in return for the civil purse (£60 million) the Government gets £211.4 million - I ask you once again whose getting the best of that deal??

ZANULabour earlier last year wanted to sack Charles from his position as head of the Duchy of Cornwall, guess why?? He was making it too profitable, running it too efficiently - Pity the likes of Gordon of cartoon and his pal Darling could do the same for the country as a whole.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Jan 09 - 09:58 AM

1865 Lizzie? You look a bit younger in your phot's

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Stu
Date: 19 Jan 09 - 10:10 AM

"ZANULabour earlier last year wanted to sack Charles from his position as head of the Duchy of Cornwall, guess why?? He was making it too profitable, running it too efficientl"

I bet he doesn't run it personally. He has someone to put toothpaste on his Oral B.

"So in return for the civil purse (£60 million) the Government gets £211.4 million - I ask you once again whose getting the best of that deal?"

Good point and thanks for the clarification. I would say dump the civil list, make the monarchy independent and they can pay full-on tax like most normal people and be in charge of their own destiny.

Freedom for Tooting!

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 Jan 09 - 10:15 AM

We have The Duchy of Cornwall biccies and jams all over the place down here in The West Country. Bit pricey though, but someone's buying them, obviously.

No, 1865, John. :0)

They were taken last March, 2008, so I was only 143 back then. I've gone 'orf rapidly since. 'Delayed Divorce Reaction' I think it's called.

I had a Parliamentarian almost knock me out at Reading once, you know. Came charging at me after the battle, whoooooooom! pushed me over, face down, then jumped on top of me. Geez, my head hit the ground with the biggest thump. He jumped off and started apologising, and I started mopping up the blood and cursing him, telling him he was taking this 'rape and pillage' bit, a bit tooooooo far! I threatened him with my hessian covered Robinson's Barley Water Bottle, which was filled with 'magic water' to bring the troops back to life. That got him worried! ;0)

Ah, happy days.. :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 Jan 09 - 10:37 AM

Prince Charles designed a lovely village in Dorset...and he's very in to nature, championing organic farming long before it became 'fashionable' He looks after the land, there are all sorts of things he's done which are good..

18 out of the 20 charities in here, are his idea:

The Prince's Charities

And of course, this has helped thousands of people get into work, run their own businesses..

The Prince's Trust



I feel sorry for Prince Charles at times. He was a shy and quiet little boy who needed his mother. He never got her, she had him 'for the country' Anne too. So they packed him off to the toughest boarding school going, far away from them, and kinda left him to it.
Then he was made to marry a woman he didn't love, because he wasn't allowed to marry the woman he DID love, she being Catholic, an' all, although why he didn't just renounce the throne and run off with her, who knows, but duty called, and after The Duke of York, he'd have had his grandmother to answer to if he had..and he was desperately fond of her. And the one person he truly loved as a young man growing up, and who was more of a father to him than his own, was blown to smithereens..I can still remember that day, August Bank Holiday Weekend...Lord Mountbatten, gone..and Charles's world grew a little darker..

So in a way, despite the unhappiness that Diane had to endure, which was deeply unfair, I'm glad that he's finally ended up with the woman he truly loves. I don't go a bundle on them, hate the hunting bit and other stuff, but I'd not wish ill on him. At base, I think he cares about his country very much, and cares about the planet too. He's been laughed at all his life, made fun of, never been given a chance really.

At least he stood up to his mother over lowering the flag for Diana, and he made sure she was brought home safely. He could have just walked away and left it all.

Is he really such a nasty, unpleasant man? Or is he a man who's never been given a chance to be liked or respected because everyone's been so busy making fun of him?



Prince Charles - A Modern Prince

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Sugarfoot Jack bereft of cookie for some rea
Date: 19 Jan 09 - 10:59 AM

That last post was I.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Sugarfoot Jack dumped
Date: 19 Jan 09 - 10:59 AM

Too late.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Jan 09 - 11:06 AM

"I would say dump the civil list, make the monarchy independent and they can pay full-on tax like most normal people and be in charge of their own destiny."

Ehmmm - They already do pay full-on tax like most people.

But I would put this forward as an example in logic as to why "marxists" should never run anything.

Status Quo - (Not the Band - The current situation)

Government pays civil purse/civil list for Royal family as Head of State - Cost £60 million

Crown Estates contribute £211.4 million to Government

Under this system Goverment is basically £151.4 million to the good.

Follow Sugarfoots advice and - I would say dump the civil list, make the monarchy independent and they can pay full-on tax like most normal people and be in charge of their own destiny. And you get this:

Government has to pay civil list to whoever becomes Head of State = £60 million

The now sacked Royal Family gets £211.4 million less this full on tax = £116.27 million

Government receives this full on tax = £95.13 million

Under this arrangement:
The Royal Family are better off - £116.27 million instead of the £60 million they received before.

The Goverment is far worse off - They get £95.13 million instead of the £211.4 million they received before and they still have to cough up the £60 million they did before because the country still has to have a Head of State.

Brilliant!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 Jan 09 - 11:06 AM

You were saying you liked the ale the Duchy make, Jack.. :0)

Duchy Originals Ale

Around The Duchy of Cornwall - Home Farm

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 Jan 09 - 11:09 AM

Gawd, no-one tell the Queen about that Teribus, else she'll resign! :0) LOL

Some great working out there, well done.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 Jan 09 - 12:03 PM

"Ehmmm - They already do pay full-on tax like most people."

"No-one knows what Betty is taxed on her income as it's a secret, and voluntary - it really should be law that the Monarch pays full tax on all her income if she doesn't already."


Mrs. Queen - and Tax



"But I would put this forward as an example in logic as to why "marxists" should never run anything."

"You're right - god forbid anyone but greedy capitalists should be given a chance to balls up the economy."


Ooh, I don't know, New Labour's doing a grand job of that at the moment.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 03:08 AM

So are 'Pakie', 'Towelhead, 'Sooty' and 'Fuzzy-Wuzzie' terms of racist abuse? - we'll never know, I suppose!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 05:18 AM

"So are 'Pakie', 'Towelhead, 'Sooty' and 'Fuzzy-Wuzzie' terms of racist abuse? - we'll never know, I suppose!"

Only when 'ordinary' people use them.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Stu
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 07:01 AM

Yes Jim, they are.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 07:23 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 08:18 PM

""So are 'Pakie', 'Towelhead, 'Sooty' and 'Fuzzy-Wuzzie' terms of racist abuse? - we'll never know, I suppose!"

Only when 'ordinary' people use them. ""


Strangely enough Rosie, the exact opposite!!

Do you really believe that the News of the World would have published the same story if it had been you or I that made the comment?

It is the very fact of Harry's celebrity that made a story out of nothing, in order to increase sales of the dirty rag.

And incidentally, Charles' polo team mate is nicknamed "Sooty" because his name is Suttish (uncertain of exact spelling), and has nothing to do with his skin hue. But of course that wouldn't fit with Jim's perception of Charles as racist, so he conveniently ignores it.

Don't be fooled by those who "protest too much". They have their own bigotries.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 04:00 AM

" made a story out of nothing, in order to increase sales of the dirty rag."
So it's not a term of racist abuse then? - Comforting to know!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 07:04 PM

Did you ever serve in the armed forces, Mr Carroll?

If you had, I'm sure you would know that, within that close community, there are certain conventions which would be considered offensive in the outside world.

Among those conventions, the use of nicknames is almost universal in military circles. They do not signify bigotry on the part of users, but rather a degree of easy respect between colleagues with a common purpose.

It is very akin to black people using the term Nigga amongst themselves, which would rightly be inappropriate, if I were to use it.


Somebody saw an opportunity to make some money, stole the video tape, and sold it to the News of the World, thereby bringing the whole matter into the public eye when that scurrilous rag also saw profit in publishing it.

1. Don't try to tell me that aversion to racism played any part in those actions, because you know damn well that neither party gives a damn about anything other than making money.

2. I repeat. This would never have seen the light of day, but for the fact that it was Prince Harry.

3. Your assumption that the lieutenant WAS offended, but dare not say so is simply that, AN ASSUMPTION, without the least evidence or credibility.

4. Do not presume to make assumptions as to whether or not I am a racist.

I loathe racists with a passion, and am the first to speak out against scum like the BNP, but racism is not just about a word, it is also about intent.

I feel that further explanation would be wasted on you as you obviously are incapable of seeing beyond the word to what lies behind.

Indeed you are more bigotted in your hatred of the Royal Family, than I could ever be about race.

Don T.