BS: Prince Harry - What a star!

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 08:35 AM

So I guess my daughter's friend should just laugh it off every time one of her "friends" calls her a Paki. After all, she doesn't want to be mistaken for someone who seeks to find offence in virtually everything she sees and hears. She needs to learn to distinguish between banter and something that is meant in a nasty way - even if the banter makes her feel like shit. She should just keep quiet about it, and certainly not be tempted to tell her parents, or a teacher, that she's regularly being called a racist name by other students.

Right?

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Rasener
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 09:07 AM

On the contrary Ruth. If she is unhappy about it, she should report it to her teacher and parents. they should get together and discuss the best way to sort it.

Thats what I do, if something happens when somebody upsets my Autistic daughter. What I don't do, is go ranting and raving at the teacher or support person. I discuss calmly what the problem is and find a way round the problem. it's worked for me everytime.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 09:16 AM

As that rather more eloquent prince, Hamlet, puts it "No, no, they do but jest, poison in jest, no offence i'th'world."

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 09:24 AM

but what's happening at the moment, Villan, is that she doesn't want to rock the boat. As I implied before, she doesn't "want to be mistaken for someone who seeks to find offence in virtually everything she sees and hears." Because there are people who may think that "she needs to learn to distinguish between banter and something that is meant in a nasty way", and that she is over-sensitive, and they may exclude her from the group.

I think there are probably a lot of black people in her position - they are in largely white environments (like, say, the army?) where a kind of low-level culture of racism is tolerated. Things are said that may be offensive and upsetting to the recipient, but they don't want to become a social pariah, so they just laugh it off. And then the perpetrator thinks that what they've said is acceptable. And the culture carries on.

I think this is one facet of what's known as "institutionalised racism".

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 09:30 AM

And when the "joker" is third-in-line to the throne, it does rather tip the scale.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 09:43 AM

The Villian, I have to ask, if you saw footage of someone in a supposed position of authority, casually referring to someone with a disability as "Our Retard (Spastic/Cripple etc.) mate over there" would you personally find that acceptable?

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 10:05 AM

Not a fair comparison Rosie, unless you regard Asian origins as a disability.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Rasener
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 10:19 AM

Thats hypothetical Rosie.I haven't seen anybody do that and secondly, it would be out of my hands, just like Prince Harry. I will face that if and when it happens and would want to know the facts before taking any action. The trouble in this world, is there are too many nosy parker busy bodies interfering in other peoples business (especially if they are high profile). People in glass houses....

As it is, I do not have any influence on the situation, unless it was related to my daughter. Then I would have to go and deal with it.

Personally I have enough looking after my own family's interests, to want to get involved in other peoples issues. My family has to come first. So Rosie, if you have somebody in your family facing that problem, go and deal with it quitly and decently with all parties involved and get it sorted. Above all, make sure you have the facts correct before you begin though. Don't take other peoples word for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 10:19 AM

Oh hell's bells. Racism and what happened in that video are two entirely different things. I'm with the people who say it was a private video Harry made...and I wonder how many other of Harry's mates call each other names. The NOTW is, imo, a bloomin' foul paper, dumbed down beyond belief. It's tried to make something out of nothing, and it'll have hurt and upset many people along the way. Why? Because they wanted to sell their sleazy rag and boot the Royals again, no other reason at all.

Heck, I'm often referred to in here as 'madlizziecornish' but I don't care, as I know it's purely a form of affection.   ;0) Those who are against names of any sort, be they nick names or other should have spoken out against that perhaps, but er...strangely..they didn't.

Double ;0)

When I was at school I was called 'Little Beck', because my older brother was 'Big Beck' and it came from his middle name, 'Beckwith' which was actually my grandmother's maiden name, on Dad's side. We never knew her, as sadly, she died when Dad was just 15, so I guess he wanted her name to be somewhere in his children's names as a way of keeping her close.

People always commented on the colour of my skin too, because I'm very pale, and they used to laugh like crazy every summer when they were golden brown all over and there was me, pale as a ghost, Seriously, I should have taken up 'haunting' as a profession.

But hey, you have to learn to develop a sense of humour about these things, nothing I could do would make my skin go darker, it just won't do that..and I learnt to love 'pale'.

I am what I am.

My brother's name for me is 'brat'

Hey ho... :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 10:23 AM

Disability isn't the relevant issue there Keith. Prejudice takes many forms. It's a very fair comparison.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 10:24 AM

Oh..and his favourite joke used to be:

"Why is my sister like a washing machine? - Because she's a twin tub!"

Don't you just love brothers! :0)


Oh, and Rosie, if you see or hear someone saying something like that, you 'punch their lights out' (verbally, of course) :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 10:52 AM

"Racism and what happened in that video are two entirely different things."

You're wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Ian
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 11:01 AM

Here in The UK, up until last year, we had a Disability Rights Commission. I took issue with them in my professional life and referred to them in the papers as being a committee of professional wheelchairs.

I got into a lot of trouble for that. But it was fighting unrealistic expectation.

Now... if I had applied that to a race rather than disability environment...

a) I would not have been as quick to criticise

b) Amazing how those who seem most offended are not those being criticised.

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, banter amongst friends! I am fat and bald and am continuously being reminded. I play instruments well enough but my voice is as flat as a fart, (normally reminded as I am about to launch into a song...)

I get on with life.

About time the UK media did too...

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Stu
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 11:15 AM

Is it OK to call your dog "Nigger" if he's black then?

Plenty of people used to, so I presume it still must be OK if we're all to call Asians Paki's'? After all, they did it in all innocence before racism was bad.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 11:17 AM

Those of you who are relating this to what you consider silly nicknames, etc. in your own lives, don't get it. Regardless of whether Harry and friends are used to using such "banter" he IS a public figure and held to higher standards of conduct, or should be, for the example he sets. Also, the things you have all cited, could be changed. A person's skin colour cannot be changed and what one is called applies to the whole community of whichever minority is being denigrated. The Baldy Bastard scenario was a good explanation of this. Institutionalised, low-level racism is alive and well and there are those of us who will speak out no matter the times you may castigate us for being too PC (that's another term which has been co-opted by the Far Right and made to sound dirty. Fuck them! Like Rick Fielding said, there is such a thing as "Ethically Conscious" and it harms none to be so.)

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 02:15 PM

Well said, Kat.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Stu
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 02:28 PM

I agree.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 03:38 PM

"After all, they did it in all innocence before racism was bad.

When was racism anything other than vile? Even when too many people didn't recognise that it was vile. Especially when too many people didn't recognise that it was vile.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 05:48 PM

From kat:

"Those of you who are relating this to what you consider silly nicknames, etc. in your own lives, don't get it. Regardless of whether Harry and friends are used to using such "banter" he IS a public figure and held to higher standards of conduct, or should be, for the example he sets. Also, the things you have all cited, could be changed. A person's skin colour cannot be changed and what one is called applies to the whole community of whichever minority is being denigrated."


No-one's disputing that racism isn't vile, kat. It is.

Many people are simply saying that Harry is not a racist.

There's a big difference.   

This was a private time between friends, in an airport, with a somewhat daft Prince of the Realm shooting an even dafter video. He wasn't going up to strangers in the airport and yelling racist abuse at them. It happened 3 years ago, and his friend sought no legal action against Harry, probably because he wasn't bothered and who knows, maybe he calls Harry by his own choice of nickname.

I'm sure Harry gets more than his fair share of 'names' for being a Prince and I'm also sure that he comes in for a fair amount of unfair hostility from some in the army, simply because he was born into the Royal Family, not something he ever asked to happen.

Racism is vile. Absolutely.

Name calling is vile. Yes, if done with the intent to deliberately cause upset and harm.

Belittling is also vile, yet there are those on this thread who choose very often to belittle, yet think nothing of it whatsoever, feeling it is 'their right' to do so. It ain't. To me, it harbours the same kind of malicious intent that racism does, and that is to hurt. It matters not whether the hurt is aimed at an individual, or an entire race. Deliberately choosing to try and hurt others is wrong.

Harry has many enemies, as do the rest of his family. It was an enemy who sold this to the pathetic, greedy paper concerned. Don't get me wrong, the Royals leave me cold, other than The Duchess of Kent, who's spent so much of her life helping others, but to stir something that didn't need stirring, simply to bash the Royals, Harry in particular, and to make loadsa money, is pretty shameful. But The News of the World doesn't feel shame.

Tell me, if it had been a regular soldier, would the newspaper concerned have made the same fuss? Would they have put a regular soldier on the front page, paid a fortune for the video, splashed it across their pages?

No.

And you know why? Because they're really not *that* interested in racism.

However, they're damned interested in kicking Harry and his family and they're even more interested in making money.

And **THAT** (for me) is the real story behind this story.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Alan
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 06:23 PM

Well said Lizze, too many here finding a way out for young Hewitt. What kind of example is he setting ? he is a role model to many kids and I imagine a lot of kids in the playground received new nicknames in the past week.

So if I went to college with the new president and knew him a little I could come on here and call him what I want ? well it's only friendship isn't it ?

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 06:33 PM

You wouldn't call him a 'Merkin' would you? I've heard that a few times around here, and I think it's more offensive than 'Paki'. Maybe 'Merican' would be on the same level.

Of course, that's just my point of view.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 06:34 PM

well if he's not a racist, he wants putting right in no uncertain terms.

Don't do it again.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 07:31 PM

"This was a private time between friends, in an airport,"

So as long as you only use racist slurs when black people can't hear you, it's okay. Now I understand how racism works.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 07:32 PM

The Prince charles sooty thing is a weak attempt at a stunt to deflect attention from Harry and put it on him and illustrate a point that Harry didn't mean any harm.

The family of the Soldier that Harry called a Paki were upset about it.

Not because they are politicians but because they found it hurtful.

Anyone give a shit?

Twats. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 07:49 PM

It doesn't matter if it was just between so-called friends. ANYTHING Harry does has the potential to become public. And, as it happens, the minority may have just been going along to get along, as the schoolgirl who was noted earlier in this thread:

The uncle of Captain Ahmed Raza Khan told the BBC his nephew had never told the family Prince Harry was a 'good friend'.

A video has been published of Prince Harry using racist language to describe a member of his platoon.

The 2006 film was made public by the News of the World and shows the prince calling one of his then Sandhurst colleagues a "Paki".

Iftakhar Raja, who identified the man as his nephew Captain Ahmed Raza Khan, told the BBC he was 'deeply offended' by the remark.

Yes, I understand about the media and, I personally, like the Royals, though I don't know if I would if I were living over there, but they still will be held to higher standards and the young man needs to understand that. He CAN do better than his father and grandfather, I am sure, if he is educated. It's ironic since so many times minorities are told by their parents, peers, etc. to be on their best behaviour because they are representing all of their community and how they are all perceived. Unfair, yes, but it has been so.

My earlier remarks were more beyond the Harry thing, anyway, addressing some of the remarks made here about PC and racism, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 04:32 AM

An essential part of the process of getting six million Jews into the ovens of Auschwitz was to dehumanise them by labelling them 'Yids' - that's how racism works at its most efficient.
If 'Paki', 'Towelhead' and 'Sooty' are acceptible, how does 'over-privileged inbred' sound?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Stu
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 04:46 AM

"I'm sure Harry gets more than his fair share of 'names' for being a Prince and I'm also sure that he comes in for a fair amount of unfair hostility from some in the army, simply because he was born into the Royal Family, not something he ever asked to happen"

My heart bleeds for him - life sure is tough. It must be difficult for him dealing with the injustice of being born into wealth and privilege.

I'm constantly amazed by the leeway shown to the Royal Family - they can even insult a sizeable proportion of their own citizens (who are paying to keep the buggers rich) and still ordinary people leap to their defence.

"maybe he calls Harry by his own choice of nickname."

Let's get this straight - he wasn't using a nickname, he described the soldier as "Ah, our little Paki friend, Ahmed.". This isn't his nickname, it's a description, a name he's using to describe the racial origins of the person in question.

In this case, we're supposed to let racism slide because poor old Harry can't shake his imperialist attitude to those poor old colonials - at least 'Sooty' knows his place and damn well stays there, Ahmed's family have had the audacity to suggest they were offended, never mind all the asians that his comment might

As I've said before, if that had been said in an ordinary office he would have been sacked, and quite rightly.

Bollocks to him and his ilk.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 06:40 AM

"This was a private time between friends, in an airport,"

So as long as you only use racist slurs when black people can't hear you, it's okay. Now I understand how racism works.


It'll be interesting to see whether Harry's friend decides to take him to court over this, if he's so upset. Interestingly, Harry's mate hasn't been interviewed over this, not a word has been heard, as far as I know. Now, I'd have thought, had he been torn apart by it all, that he'd have jumped at the opportunity to make a small fortune from interviews. Nobody knows the exacts in's and out's of all this, apart from Harry and his mates.   

It is SO easy to call someone a racist. It's the new horror, isn't it. The new way to make people hate others. Hell, I've had it thrown at me many a time in here and elsewhere, by two posters. The thing I find so interesting in here though, is that one of the posters who's up in arms about what Harry said, (when it was apparently said with no malice) has used deeply malicious words to try and hurt and wound others in here, knowing full well that those words cause offence.

I don't understand the logic there. Why is their behaviour acceptable to themselves, yet Harry's is not.

It was only recently, in the English Culture thread, that I learnt from the other poster, that Sid James was Jewish and South African, and therefore apparently not allowed, from their point of view, to be part of English culture. I found this shocking and far more racist that anything Harry came out with, which again, was a term used amongst friends, in a private video, where the chap he acknowledged was a friend.

One rule for Harry.

One rule for everyone else, so it would seem.

Jack, I didn't notice you in that thread, taking that poster to task over it. Interesting. And I'd not swap places with Harry, not for one single moment, despite all the wealth and 'privilege' he has. I bet though that he'd love to swap places with me, or you, where he could simply be an ordinary person who wouldn't have been hanged drawn and quartered for saying what he did, because no-one would ever have come to hear it in the first place, or been interested.


And yes, he's a public figure, poor lad, and for that, every single time he opens his mouth, for the rest of his life, some b*stard will be there, waiting to sell their story to the newspaper about 'what Harry said and what Harry *REALLY* meant'" and how he's such a nasty, vicious little Royal oik, who should be banished from the whole of humanity...etc..etc..etc..Imagine how that must feel, no freedom whatsoever for the rest of your life, even if you give up being a prince, you'll still sell papers and that's what this is about, imo.

As I said above, had this whole incident been filmed by an ordinary soldier, no-one, but NO-ONE would have batted an eyelid or paid a small fortune for the video, or put it on their front pages. Why? Because when faced with the idea, their Editor would have said "But, there's NO story here, what the foooook are you wasting my time for?"

It's all just such crap.

Never mind though, it gives the hypocritical 'holier than thou' folks a chance to come out and say their bit, before they go back to their hypocritical spewing out of deeply unpleasant and personal comments on here, without a thought about how it affects others, whilst criticising what they perceive to be the very same thing in Harry.


kat, I come from a time before PC. I was brought up to think about others. I was brought up to be polite and respectful. I was also brought up in a time when people were able (and allowed) to laugh at themselves far more and laugh with each other. People were more trusting and saw the good in each other, rather than always looking for the bad, always feeling, as so often happens nowadays, that there is 'some ulterior motive or meaning' in what someone says or does.

Yes, PC makes people think, but it also, imo, has made many people paranoid and deeply suspicious.

We've turned into a society now fearful of saying many things, because almost every word can carry a hidden 'meaning' or 'danger' if someone is determined enough to twist or spin it to their own ends. Our 'thoughts' are no longer are own, because the moment you've said something, you are tried, found guilty and sentenced to be hanged, drawn and quartered by the PC brigade or the press who apparently know far better than you what your *actual* intention and meaning was.

It's scary.

I think PC has gone a long way to destroying society, rather than making it better.

Don't get me wrong, I fully agree with malicious and deeply racist comments and practices being stopped. Of course I do. But when things such as this are taken by a greedy paper, blown up out of all proportion, and used for no other reason tha, imo, to make themselves loadsa money and kick one individual they detest, because they loathe his family and what they stand for. then hell, it makes me mad.

I tell you what 'Guest Alan'...if you believe in the News of the World so much, why not ring them up and suggest ALL the extra money they've made from their story on Harry, should be used to create a 'Let's End Racist Words FOREVER' campaign....and see what they say. I don't think you'll get far, because, as I said, imo, this is NOT about racism in the slightest, from their point of view, but about the News of the World making money and kicking the Royal family. Please let me know if they DO take it up though, as I'd sure love to hear that I'm wrong.

Jim, I hear what you say, and agree in the 'wider world' but in this case, I don't think that was 'the case' at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 06:58 AM

Personally I get as tired of the phrase PC (political correctness - opposite = political incorrectness), the opposite as I do with do-gooders opposite do-badders.
What I do find extremely depressing is that we need legislation to protect us from those who wish to pollute the world with terms like wog, nig-nog, coon, yid, sheeny, kike, greasball, papist, left-footer, Polak etc (not forgtting Paki, Towelhead and Sooty).
Have we learned sod-all from the Holocaust?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 07:22 AM

everyone goes round calling him 'Your Majesty'

course he thinks he's better than everyone else. It would seem a pretty fair conclusion. amongst human creatures i am one majestic specimen.

a lot of people on this thread seem to think he's got a right to say stuff that most people would get the sack for.

in fact go on Prince harry - abuse me please - it would really nice of you to call me something derogatory. It would really make this peasant's day, if you were to call me a piece of shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 08:01 AM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/theroyalfamily/4276705/Soldier-called-Paki-by-Prince-Harry-insists-there-are-no-hard-

THE END

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 08:14 AM

I'll try again:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5535423.ece

THE END

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 08:37 AM

"everyone goes round calling him 'Your Majesty'"

That's not his fault. He may well hate it, cringe every time he hears it, we don't know.

"course he thinks he's better than everyone else. It would seem a pretty fair conclusion. amongst human creatures i am one majestic specimen."

Nope, that's your supposition, not fact. His mother went out of her way to get her sons to see the other side of life, taking them to visit the homeless, the AIDS patients, those far less fortunate than themselves, to try and get them to understand how privileged they were, and still are.

Harry and William do good things too, wld, but of course, those are hardly ever reported on.

"a lot of people on this thread seem to think he's got a right to say stuff that most people would get the sack for."

Then sack the whole damn army in every country in the world, because I bet they all say things about each other, black, white, yellow, red, brown or green, no matter where they come from, what side they're on. I bet they all have nicknames for each other too. Some will use those terms maliciously against 'their enemies', some won't.
Some will use nicknames for their mates that we 'out here' may consider odd, but we're not them, so how can we judge?

Again, unless you *know* the person concerned, were there at the time and know the feelings of all concerned, then you cannot judge this incident fairly.

"in fact go on Prince harry - abuse me please - it would really nice of you to call me something derogatory. It would really make this peasant's day, if you were to call me a piece of shit."

But he wouldn't, would he. And you know he wouldn't, Al.

All he's done is be a bloke in the army, same as any bloke in any army, in any country. He's been boiled in oil for it though because he's *Prince Harry* and there are those who hate the Royal family deeply and see this as another opportunity to get them out, or at least to throw all they can at them.

I see many posts in here filled with the same kind of hatred for people they've never met, the same kind of judgement poured upon complete strangers, which racists use against a whole ethnic group/family.

Perhaps the term 'Royalist' should have a new meaning, akin to 'Racist'?


And have we learnt anything from the Holocaust, Jim. Not a great deal, no. We still have armies, filled with youngsters trained to kill 'the enemy'. Do they call the 'enemy' nice names and therefore 'humanise' them? I guess not, otherwise they'd not be able to go out and kill them would they.

If you want to blame anyone, then maybe it's the fault of the army themselves, because they train people to kill other people. Get rid of that instinct, that training, and you're nearly there...

...until of course, you get invaded by another army who will kill you at the touch of a button.

How do we end it all? There is only ONE way to end Hate, and that is with Love.

Create armies of Peace. Create armies of Love....THEN go to war against Hate and you may finally have a battle worth fighting.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 08:41 AM

Taken from the link given by Teribus, above:

January 17, 2009
Army captain comes to Prince Harry's defence over 'Paki' remarkKevin Dowling
The Pakistani army captain who was called a 'Paki' by Prince Harry has said the prince is not a racist.

Speaking about the incident for the first time, Ahmed Raza Khan said the prince was his friend and that he had no bad feelings against him.

The Sun newspaper said Khan told Harry to "forget about it" when the Prince phoned to apologise.

Harry was caught on film three years ago referring to Khan as "our little Paki friend".

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POLL: what now for his military career?
Khan said: "The Prince called me by a nickname which is usually very insulting but I know he didn't mean it that way. We were close friends when we were training and I know he is not a racist."

The two soldiers were said to have exchanged stories with each other about fighting the Taleban when Harry rang Khan to apologise.

The Ministry of Defence said the Chief of the General Staff had directed the Royal Military Police to investigate how the material entered the public domain.

A spokeswoman said: "If that investigation reveals any other breach, that will be investigated."

She added that the Adjutant General was writing to the army to remind them of their policy on equality and diversity.

Palace officials have said the 24-year-old Prince was "extremely sorry" for the comment and stressed that Harry had been speaking to a friend without malice.......

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 08:42 AM

This seems a little more serious but has received less press coverage.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 08:53 AM

Ah yes, but *that's* about an appalling racist attack, eanjay, and not about Prince Harry, therein lies the difference.

Yup, a great deal of anti-English feeling in some parts of Scotland, Wales too, once you get up to North Wales...I know, I've been there, bought the Welsh English Dictionary to read the graffiti all over the bridges..

Yikes! If we had that written on our bridges, there'd be an outcry. Funny ol' world ain't it.

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, as Teribus said when he posted the remarks of Harry's friend who said he'd taken no offence and knows Harry is NOT a racist:

The End.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 09:59 AM

There is *nothing* more *to* say.

The News of the World tried it's best to make something that had no malice in it at all, as deeply malicious as it could. They have failed. miserably.

You have tried to do the same thing 'alan' and you too have also failed, miserably.

I guess we won't hear from you until the next 'Harry Story' is dragged up, by a twisting, spinning, vindictive set of journalists who'll stop at nothing to get this young lad dragged down as far as they can get him.

Now be a good lad yourself and take your hatred somewhere else.

Harry and Ahmed are good pals, always have been, probably always will be, and I've no doubt that each would give his life for the other, in the call of duty.

Get over it.

Thank you so much

The End. (again)

:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Alan
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 11:14 AM

Thanks Lizzie, pity you deleted your bebo account ;)

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 11:52 AM

Oh I like Harry loads, he's just a good old 'Inbreed Nazi Whoreson!'*

*Whoreson means by-blow, or bastard btw. Though technically he can't really be termed a by-blow AND an inbreed. I wonder how his good mates manage to make up friendly nick-names outa that funny muddle!

The little Nazi Bastard!! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 11:55 AM

Oops!

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 12:10 PM

Geez, that's a nasty page.

I guess some folk get their kicks out of it though.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 01:01 PM

Does no-one make a connection between this prat using openly racist language and wearing the Nazi uniform - after all, support for facists is a family tradition for the royals?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 01:10 PM

Nope. When he (stupidly) wore that uniform, egged on by his older brother, William, he was very young and a bit daft, despite an Eton education. William apologised humbly for being so stupid and thoughtless, as did Harry.

Loads of young lads do very stupid things when they're that age, Jim, things they'll cringe over when they're older. I've no doubt he wore it with the intention of taking the mickey out of the SS, when he got to the party, not going around making racist comments, but then...that would be looking at things from a different angle again.

The Sins of the fathers, (or the Duke of Windsor as then was) should not be visited upon the children. Heck, Chamberlain back then thought that Hitler was a very nice chappie...??!!!??

The whole argument here has been brought to a halt because, no matter how many people choose to decide in their own minds that Harry is a racist, the very person who knows him well and was the object of what Harry said, without malice, has stood up, said he's Harry's friend and that he was just fine about his nickname and that Harry is NOT a racist.

The End. (Again Again)

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 01:12 PM

Despite my irreverent manner Jim C. Indeed I do. Hence the (I trust) pertinant reminder of this incident. As others here have said however, I believe rascism (and indeed fascism?), may be written through the Royal Family line, like Brighton Rock.
Very bad show...

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 01:21 PM

As I said before, I wasn't addressing the Harry thing as much as the negative stuff I've read in this thread against those of us who do choose to speak up/out and what goes on in society in general. You can't just cry "too much PC" and ignore institutional racism and I don't mean just when a public figure may have said something. I mean amongst general society, as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 01:51 PM

do you know the guy lizzie, you seem to have a warm regard for the little fellow.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 02:19 PM

No, I don't know him, Al, but...neither do you.

I give people the benefit of the doubt though, and refuse to judge them on what a sleazy news rag has written about them in the hope to stir up a hornet's nest of hatred against him and his family. As I said, they've failed, miserably and have been shown up for the complete sleazy types they are.

I've met quite a few of the 'aristocracy' if you want to call them that, when I worked in Harley St. Some were 'orrible little snobs, who got short shrift from me, but some were the most charming and humble people. I also met 'the peasants' as you'd call them, and again, some were people I'd not want to give house room to, and some were the most lovely of folk.

Prince or Pauper, it matters not. What matters is the person inside.

Harry's 'inside' is still forming. He's still a young man, and still learning. He's had a bad start in life, despite being a Prince, and I've no doubt at all that he'd give up every single penny he has, every jewel, every posh suit, every polo pony, every dolly bird, if he could have his mother back.

He and William have not only had to live with losing their mother in such distressing circumstances, but they've had to live with the constant nastiness of the press, bringing her out every year, slagging her off, trashing her, telling terrible lies, sensationalising eveything, just to sell their rotten papers...They've had to endure people writing books about her, making money out of her in every way.

They've had enough.

For God's sake, can't they be left alone, to live their lives now?

Even if they retired from being 'royal' they'd NEVER be left alone, because they're Diana's sons, and will be hounded by the very b*stards who hounded their mother, until the day the both die.

Geez! They almost had Dodi Al-Fayed as a stepfather, and were seen spending happy days with he and Diana shortly before they both died...Racist? Oh come ON!

Titles don't impress me one bit, people impress me...and to be honest, if I were Harry, and I'd had to endure the shite that had been written about a mother I loved, I'd probably have gone completely off the rails and told the whole world to foooook OFF by now..and I think most of us would.

He's a human being, same as you or me..and he feels things the same as you or I, I'd imagine. The fact he's a prince is NOT his fault. And to judge him for that alone is wrong. He's no different from many other kids these days, who are a bit slow on understanding what is and is not acceptable in life, because there's a huge 'in yer face' attitude these days, that cuts right through every level of rich or poor. An Eton education is little different from anywhere else these days, because kids want to party, party, party, and not learn, learn, learn. The intense pressure poured down on young people to live their lives in a certain way to achieve, achieve, achieve by the time they're 17 touches them all, be they from the local comp, or the local Eton. Kids have a whole lifetime to achieve...we all take time to become who we are meant to be. Once we were all given time, now 'time' is marked on a form and ticked in a box, year by year by year.

I've no doubt, that if Harry were defending you in a warzone, then he'd put his life at risk to save you, or anyone else, without a second thought, along with all his mates, who'd give their lives for each other and for us.

Surely it's time to leave him alone.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 03:07 PM

"Surely it's time to leave him alone"
Gladly - preferably somewhere in the middle of the Gobi Desert.
This nasty little prick has proved beyond a doubt he is a racist.
No, we don't 'go to war' Lizzie, we are sent to war by people just like this nasty little prick and his family, usually against third world countries of 'Towelheads, 'Sootys' and 'Pakies' - not forgetting Phil the Greek's 'Fuzzie-Wuzzies'.
Personally I have no great objection to his donning a Nazi uniform; it allows us us see it like it really is.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 03:26 PM

"This nasty little prick has proved beyond a doubt he is a racist."

Well, Jim, I guess you know Harry far better than his friend, Ahmed, who has stood up for him.

I find this most odd, as you've never met him, but, hey ho.

I also find it odd that you feel you can call him that, yet if were on a video, calling someone exactly those same words, you'd castigate him for it.

Double standards, methinks, Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 03:29 PM

"..yet if *he* were on a video"