BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Amos
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 01:09 PM

Bob:

Can you provide a link to the paper, article or whatever documenting those observations in Japan a few years back?


Thanks,


A

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: skarpi
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 01:14 PM

I really would.

Surely 'He' could make it easier???
who says its " he " not Her??

what easier ??? the life ??? things are ment to be , deal with it

a propblem is not a problem its a task to deal with . believe in you
and the task is solved .

what is god , who is god , what is it for , ?? and who says the holy bible is the right book ?? or the koran ?

the are so many questions for to be answaerd, I cannot , maybe someone can .

But God ???? I wonder ........

ATB Skarpi

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 01:19 PM

Amos: I think it was from a newspaper article that might be 20+ years old. I'm really not sure of it's age. I was trying to think of the reference to substantiate it. But, I couldn't. Part of the info in my subconscious. It's out there somewhere...bob

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 01:20 PM

"Danny Boy banned in pub...."


Hope that helps you, Guest,Ed.

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 01:41 PM

Amos: Found this...
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/aug1/consciouswater.html

I've been looking around for the "thought projected into metal" article as it comes from the scientific community, and would offer another perspective...

bob

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Amos
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 02:44 PM

QUite so, Bob -- I have read the material on psychic water crystals before. Unfortunately I find too many assertions without provided explanations, and the photographic evidence provided does not strike me as reliable.

A

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 03:42 PM

Amos: "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink..."

Trying to "measure" or "test" this would be like asking "God"....Hey God! Those trees and mountains and oceans and everything, they told me YOU did all of that. But I'm waiting here with MY pencil, computer, camera, lab equipment and mind and I want you to PROVE to me that it was you who did it!
God might reply, "Looking at the trees and oceans and stuff isn't enough?" Let's see YOU do it.
What makes me laugh is when I look at all the "scientific studies" on how the pyramids were formed or if life exists on other planets. And, all the tech stuff one would have to do to accomplish building such structures or to travel to other worlds.
The problem with all of that is that it is limited to the consciousness of the operator. What if your tools, tests, and instruments are just not capable of testing that which was created by a higher intelligence? One theory is that the pyramids were created with sound. Yep, sound. Apparently weighted objects become weightless when a specific vibration of sound is projected at them. Hence, building a pyramid would be a "walk in the park" for those with that knowledge.
Einstein purported that space travel was relative to the speed of light, but what if there was another propulsion system that went way past the speed of light? What would the caveman have thought if he were shown a computer? Magic? God? His intellect and consciousness cannot cope with a higher level of thought. All HIS references revert to what he knows, primitive sticks, rocks, hunt for food. If you SHOWED him a computer and PROVED to him it was possible to communicate at great distances, he would think it's a trick and go back to what for him, is comfortable. What he knows, thinks, sees, feels...

You can almost hear other life forms observing us, " Hey VROK! Check this! Look at stupid earthling "scientist" trying to figure out our propulsion system! HA HA hA HA HEE HEE. The idiot is using; get this VROK, his COMPUTER! HA hA hA. Can you BELIEVE these stupids? And, and, listen to me VROK; the guy is trying it with his mind on the "LOCKED" position! MWAH HA HA HA hA HA HEEHEE..
Anybody with a brain would know you can't possibly test our Grn567yu45j with Microsoft VISTA! It's like, they aren't even smart enough to figure out they aren't even in the parking lot of ZETA4Qs travel. What pathetic creatures. I suppose we should vaporize them, or feed them to our pets. But hey, let's be kind and let them struggle with it for another 100 years, they can only hurt themselves...Until they evolve..."

Come out of the cave...<:0)
bob

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: GUEST,Appaloosa Lady
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 03:59 PM

Phew! Bob!

I curtsey to you, in sheer admiration.

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Amos
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 04:00 PM

Sure, pal. ALways glad to jump out of the cave. Let me know if you can find that reference on metallic molecular deformation.


A

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 04:36 PM

Well SAID, Bob!

The real problem with most human egos is that they are so unwilling to admit how little they really know...and the possibility that there is much out there which they cannot even begin to explain with their present science and their present understanding.

I have encountered things no one can explain...oh, but tell them about it, and listen to them bury you under a half hour of specious and empty explanations as to how the thing you told them about must have been "a hallucination"...or some such familiar notion that their conventional mind spits out of its tiny lexicon of "approved subjects".

Tiresome, and often quite infuriating. I just don't bother telling them anymore unless I know very well who I'm talking to and whether they have some humility and respect set aside for other people's experiences. It's not worth listening to the inane and predictable responses one gets from conventional know-it-alls who think they already have a "scientific" answer for everything.

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: John Hardly
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 05:24 PM

"The real problem with most human egos is that they are so unwilling to admit how little they really know"

LH,

That's just not true. I'm MORE than willing to admit how much you really don't know.

I'm going to have to categorize that under one of those Logic Fallicies, or make up a new one to cover it.

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: John Hardly
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 05:25 PM

That was also post #111. It's the new 100.

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 05:28 PM

There are ten kinds of people in the world: Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 05:33 PM

Logic aside, when you are privy to the secrets of the universe the truth is all you need. The truth is God is a great gooey worm Booglabah and we are but parasites in his gut. I say 'his' despite the fact that the great gooey worm is asexual.
Our prayers if united are enough to cause the great gooey worm gas but thats about it. Strange as it seems, we and other parasites have a higher degree of intelligence and consciousness than our Great Worm Booglabah (GWB).

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: catspaw49
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 05:42 PM

Some awfully deep thoughts on this thread but how and what does all this have to do with why you get the shits from eating cabbage?

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 05:49 PM

CABBAGE? I though it was cribbage.

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 05:52 PM

You, don't, Spaw...unless you're a sinful, jerk-off, wastrel dumbass who richly deserves suffering extended intestinal discomfort. No one I know ever gets "the shits" from eating cabbage. I certainly don't. I've hardly ever heard of anyone who does. But if you do, well, now you know why... ;-) Now prunes, on the other hand, almost anyone gets the shits from eating prunes.

John, you couldn't possibly have insight into how much I really don't know. Your nervous system is not large enough to hold that volume of not known (by me) information.

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: John Hardly
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 06:09 PM

"Your nervous system is not large enough to hold that volume of not known (by me) information."

According to Peace (if I understand him....and how dangerous is THAT?!), I could fathom the depths of your ignorance if I but learned binary something, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah....

(I can never bring myself to actually finish reading any of his shit)

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 06:10 PM

"I can never bring myself to actually finish reading any of his shit"

That's from another thread, John.

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 06:12 PM

So...you think you can fathom the depths of my ignorance, do you?

Well, I'll say this, you're ambitious! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 06:15 PM

0.0018288 kilometers is equal to one fathom. FYI.

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Bee
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 06:19 PM

Don't be dissin' caves, man. Caves are home, where the fire keeps the dark and the sabre-tooths at bay. Caves are where you can sit and think and play with the babies, and tame that wolf cub you brought home. Caves are where you can watch the firelight flicker on the rock walls, until you say, hey that would look just like an antelope if I touched up with a little charcoal...just... here.. Caves are where you notice this particular dark grey rock is the very best for making tools. Caves are where you feel safe enough to drink that piss-and-muscaria tea that wandering shaman told you about. Caves are about beginnings and great leaps of cognition and imagination.

Higher beings? Building the pyramids with thought or sound? People did use thought and sound and sight, and their skilled hands, to build the pyramids. We have written records, papyri, with some of the accounts, including a renegotiated agreement with a group of workers who demanded a larger allotment of onions as part of the deal, and got it. Those people deserve a little credit, a little admiration, for their accomplishments, IMO.

Or maybe I got a little cynical, a little jaded, around 1969 or 70, watching friends fall into cults, Children of God, Divine Light Mission, Pseudo-Paganism, or vanish into communes with some semi-charismatic, always male, 'spiritual leader'. Some of them didn't get back. Some of the women emerged later with a couple of kids, no education and not a penny to their names, just some tie-dye rags and a lot of ways to cook brown rice. Struggling for years, working low income jobs and still wearing a magic crystal around their necks.

I ran into one of those communes still in operation in 1982, same guy running it for more than ten years, people hanging on his every word. "'Gavin' says I'm not purified enough". "Gavin believes we should practice this method of meditation/crystaldivination/sex". Gavin wants me to work in the town for a while." "Gavin says I'm too attached to the material plane..." Practicing the art of division - you can stay but your partner is too whatever. Herbal doctoring - kids with chronic infections, one woman nearly lost her eyesight while I was there. After a couple visits, I wasn't allowed back - too spiritually disruptive.

I've seen communes that worked, as well. The ones that encouraged people to get educated besides keeping the gardens going. The ones that were about being close to the earth and being equal and raising happy, healthy kids. The ones where nobody was insisting on everybody being 'spiritual' but let you believe whatever you want, as long as no one was harmed.

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 06:20 PM

Amos: It is with the utmost respect for you that I tell you these things. Namaste.The mind is a radio. It is capable of transcending distance and time. The Trobriand Islanders knew this hundreds of years ago and used telepathy to communicate. Until the white man interjected his belief that such things were not possible. The Voodoo practitioners use it to manipulate energy. Max Freedom Long talked about it at length in his "A Course in Miracles."
Rather than have me show you the article about consciousness being projected into metal, may I suggest a little experiment?
Let me get a little "David Blaine" with you, as a kind of, well, interesting interlude. Your mind has three levels. The Conscious, Subconscious, and Superconcious. If you are willing to participate. Now willing is the operative word here. Without Belief or Faith it won't work. Now, I don't know where you are, not even what country. But sit down in a chair and watch the breath coming out of your nose. Is it coming from the left or right nostril? You will see it changes back and forth between the two, every couple of hours...Now ask your subconscious, that's the mind that we will work with...Talk to it like a friend, and ask it to show YOU where to find the article about consciousness being projected into metal from Japan. Make it a sincere request and visualize the request floating off into space. The request MUST be sincere. Let it go. Go about your business and once in a while during the day, ask your subconcious to show you the article.
Now I'm going out on a limb with this for sure, but hey. I've been laughed at by professionals. The article should present itself to you, either through a friend, phone call, surfing the net etc. Let's see what happens...
bob

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 06:24 PM

And if it doesn't, you obviously were not sincere enough.

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: John Hardly
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 06:42 PM

"That's from another thread, John."

So I'm not reading in two threads? I can barely fathom it. I thought I'd covered it, but it seems to be ubiquehensive.

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 07:26 PM

Hi, Bob. The back and forth cycle of breathing that occurs through the nostrils (cyling from one side to the other every couple of hours) is interesting. I've been told that when the left side is clear one is in the "Yin" (or cooling) cycle...when the right side is clear one is in the "Yang" (or warming) cycle. Is that the way you would describe it?

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 08:40 PM

Little Hawk: I hadn't heard of that particular reference, although it seems to be in line with Chinese thought on body mechanics. My old friend, Master Lee Shiu Pak(Yang Style Tai Chi) used to tell me he knew when a horse was going to win a race, he would go down to where they walked the horses before the race, to observe their Chi/breath. He then told me of his concern not to "take too much". Just enough to live, pay the rent, etc. He did pay for supper more than once. I miss him greatly.
But when you open yourself up to things like this, in a public forum, you run the risk of ridicule. The power of the subconscious mind has been well documented by a number of writers. Each of us has actually used it, although some may not be willing to further explore it's true power. They will dismiss it as a "lucky guess," the phone call you were expecting, the "coincidence" of meeting someone at an obscure location, finding the keys you lost, etc.
It and your superconscious are your "Guardian Angels," ready to protect you in emergencies. Your only requirement is to provide the faith/belief.
It is not my place to "convince" anybody of anything, nor is it to "win an argument."
But I do know that each of you reading this will experience a situation where the intervention of something beyond mere human existence will come into play.
Life is a school. We are students...
bob

Little Hawk: The time when the breath from both nostrils is equal is a time of power. Use it wisely...

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 08:47 PM

seems to me I've been thru this "you've got to believe in order to believe" thing before....

Once you really, really accept an idea, you subjectively see almost anything.

That's not what *I* want to do. I want to see everything I can about what is objectively true.

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 08:58 PM

"when you open yourself up to things like this, in a public forum, you run the risk of ridicule"

Don't I know it.

Bob, interestingly enough, the breath in my 2 nostrils is at that evening-out or balancing point right now...as close as I can tell. Usually it's strongly to one side or the other, but it seems about even right now.

Most of what you talk about is familiar to me. How would you suggest using that time of even breath?

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 09:01 PM

Bill: This world is a delusion. Only you can create what is "objectively true." But you must understand that that particular objectivity is for you alone..."Reality" exists on a multiplicity of levels, at the same time...Once mind enters into the equation, all "objectivity" becomes subjective...bob

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 09:04 PM

Little Hawk: Pray for Peace...Give Thanks for the Blessings that have been given to you...
bob

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 09:08 PM

Okay.

I wouldn't recommend you spend a lot of time trying to convince Bill of anything, but it's your lookout.

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 09:55 PM

Mindshock...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdOF9_akTNc

"May The Sacred Heart of Jesus Be Loved, Honored, Adored, and Glorified, Forever and Ever..." Amen...

bob

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: KT
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 10:02 PM

Bob, I like what you have to say.

Why not join and become a regular instead of a guest?

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 10:46 PM

KT: "I would never be a member of a group that would have me as a member..." - "borrowed" from Groucho Marx...
Thanks for the sentiments...I would prefer to keep things as they are for now...
bob

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 02:02 AM

Apaloosa Lady---long winded, but dead right. God is Love, pure and simple.

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 06:27 PM

"I wouldn't recommend you spend a lot of time trying to convince Bill of anything, but it's your lookout."

Little Hawk knoweth whereof he speaketh.

"Bill: This world is a delusion. Only you can create what is "objectively true." But you must understand that that particular objectivity is for you alone..."

Oh, mercy..I went thru that in college Philosophy classes for years! You are basically putting a semi-mystical spin on the philosophy of David Hume. You can, as Hume did, argue that viewpoint, but in daily life, your very well-being depends on pragmatically acting otherwise.

As Little Hawk can vouch for, I have some pretty pointed ideas on what can and cannot be 'subjectively' true.

I am sorta curious about how you came to this "world as delusion" stance, though.

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Amos
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 06:29 PM

And where your AUthority to Instruct Anyone about Everything was signed...not that I should talk... :)



A

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Peace
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 06:53 PM

"RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God"

I'd like to believe that there is a Guest,Ed who's gonna come back to this thread. These threads started by guests who post once or twice then disappear gimme a pain in the










                                              and that's all for now.

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: TheSnail
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 07:16 PM

Could the GUEST.Ed who started this thread be in any way related to the GUEST.Ed who started this thread I wonder?

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 07:59 PM

The idea of the world as a delusion, experienced through the sensory perceptions of the human body/mind/ego (itself also an illusion) is one that is common to almost all the esoteric religions of the East, Bill. As such, it is a concept that tremendously predates Hume's opinions on the matter. It goes back thousands of years, perhaps tens of thousands of years, perhaps even longer than that. It has little to do with the western religions like Christianity or the Muslim or Jewish faiths. They are monotheistic. The Eastern religions are not.

It's a concept familiar to anyone who has studied either Vedanta (the ancient disciplines and philosophies connected with the Hindus) or Buddhism or a variety of other Eastern philosophies. The essential philosophies of the East have almost all held that the physical world(s) are experienced as a form of illusion (or delusion). A dream, if you will.   

As in a dream, it all seems very real to the dreamer while it's happening.

I'm not trying to argue about it with you, and I don't mind if you don't believe any of it, I'm just telling you about it, that's all.

Hume may have gotten some of his ideas from the East, I don't know, but he certainly did not originate the idea of the world as an illusion.

Arguing about this kind of stuff simply doesn't matter. It cannot be proven or unproven (except perhaps by one's own direct experience...and then only to the experiencer), but simply giving it consideration can be very interesting. It can open one to many possibilities. It does not necessarily interfere in any way with being practical and effective here and now.

After all, there are many ways of having a dream, right? Many ways of acting within the dream. Might as well pick the way that suits you best.

You and I have both done that, and we picked different ways. This is okay. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Peace
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 08:04 PM

I don't agree that Christianity (Christian faiths) are monotheistic. This trinity thing seems a bit non-monotheistic. And the Muslim elevation of Mohammed to 'godhood' puts the brakes on it for them, too. Don't leave many monotheistic religions, 'cept maybe Judaism.

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Amos
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 08:31 PM

An alternative. For the patient.


A

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 08:44 PM

Well, Peace, certain Christian sects are both monotheistic AND believe in the Trinity. That is, they have decided to take the One God and divide Him into 3 aspects.

Fine. Why not? I could divide a man into 3 aspects too, if I wanted to: Father, husband, and son. He would still be one man.

The Hindus take the One Transcendent (which is immeasurable and indescribable) and they then divide it into literally thousands of symbolic gods, goddesses, and attributes...mainly so that simple people have some visual symbols they can pray to, focuson, and relate to.

The thing that makes the Judeo-Christian-Muslim triumvirate essentially monotheistic is Jehovah/Allah, the Father God. The fact that certain Christians have chosen to complicate the matter further with the Trinity concept has not in any way displaced the Father God as the one reigning supreme (conceptually), and he's a very anthropomorphic God. He seems very human.

The Eastern approach is different. As one approaches the One in the East, one does not ultimately find a human-like Father-God, one finds an indescribable and immeasurable and timeless infinite that encompasses all symbols...a principle of eternal being...something that cannot even be expressed in human language or grasped by human thought, but only approached through symbol and metaphor, and only experienced through surrender and "silence" (silence of the ever-chattering mind).

Who can silence the monkey mind? Can you? I have the greatest difficulty in doing so, I must say.

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Peace
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 08:55 PM

Make me one with everything? Hotdogs?

Well then, let's all be one and then it will save on the elections, the Earth and solve the housing crisis. Splitting gods/God is another form of equivocation. There is or there isn't. What's with all the in between?

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Peace
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 08:56 PM

Which isn't to say you are right--or wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: John Hardly
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 08:57 PM

You've got to ac-centuate the positive
E-liminate the negative
DON'T MESS WITH MR. IN BETWEEN

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 09:01 PM

Bill D: I don't really have a "stance". I recognize and honor your opinions. I have been thinking about the meaning of this existence for many years. I'd wondered that there must be more to it than just be born, educate yourself, get the job, family, build whatever, get old, die. What would be the point of all that? Surely that power that created us must have more prepared for us other than watch billions of souls go through eons of time, with similar processes.
And I too have contemplated the theory that we are mere creatures, not unlike sophisticated amoebas with a conscience, with apes as ancestors. But the question that remains is: What is the point of it all?
Considering the vast array of Religions, atheists, "viewpoints", and such...
This all began with a lifelong study of the power of the mind and what it can accomplish. The Martial Arts. Boatloads of Philosophers, Gurus, Masters, Mystics, Wiccans & Professors...
All I can tell you is from my personal experience, that there is a force that watches over us. We have the will and the power of choice and decision, but I had believed that we were being propelled through this existence for a higher purpose.
There have been countless times where I thought I was "finished". And I can tell you this truth: When the Bible tells you "Trust in the Lord and he will send His Mighty Angels to watch over you," that it's not just a bunch of words in a book. But fact.
My life has been a series of miracles. For which I give Thanks.
Now as far as the "world of delusion" part goes, it has only been in the last few years that I've come to the conclusion that it is ourselves that create our individual realities. Prior to that I'd felt as if I was being dragged or propelled through certain experiences and wondered, why is this stuff happening to me?
This is why I've come to the personal realization that the Thoughts WE CHOOSE to hold in consciousness create our reality. It goes WAAAY beyond "positive thinking"...Thoughts become THINGS...
You will have that "bad day." Someone you love will die...But you still have the power to bounce back, determination, fortitude, will.
While"God" for some might be "The Universal Subsconcious Mind", there is something MORE. Now THAT which created the planets and all existence may or may not have a physical embodiment, that perhaps mankind will never know...But we are all part of ONE power, ONE force. And FOR ME, the operative viewpoint is: "How May I Serve". What can I do to make it better? The answer: GO TOWARD LOVE/GOD.
Do that which you love and the obstacles fall as you place yourself in ALIGNMENT with the FORCE that created all of this, me, you, everything. That is MY reality.

For Y.O.U. it might be MY JOB, the wife & kids, whatever. This is why you might look at all the posts I've done and say to yourself, "AW that's not true." And in your reality, It's not true. This is because each of us lives in the reality that we have created. And the fun part is, both can exist at the same time. Witness Quantum Physics. Dylan's "Your right from your side, and I'm right from mine," goes far deeper than just two people talking to each other...

We are all extensions of THE ONE, at different levels in the process of growth. The spirit does not die. Those that have passed walk with us in another dimension/level, at the same time...I can only put these thoughts before you, there is no point in trying to convince you of anything. That which created you has all of that taken care of...

Peace & Blessings...

bob

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: Bert
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 09:30 PM

...You will have that "bad day." Someone you love will die...

So, where was god then?

Subject: RE: BS: I'd like to believe that there is a God
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 09:44 PM

Bert: All around you... This is the cycle of life, from which no living creature or thing is exempt. You might consider to remember all the good things, although difficult in times of personal tragedy, and go on from there...Bless...
bob