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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Beer Date: 02 Apr 08 - 10:54 PM I agree Bobad, but The Caps are not there yet Ron. I'm pulling for them to play against the Canadians. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: bobad Date: 02 Apr 08 - 07:46 PM The Caps vs. Pens would be quite a series. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Bobert Date: 02 Apr 08 - 07:44 PM Ahhhhhhh, just what team would like to go up against my Caps??? That's right!!! Okay, they were weak early but right now they win two more games, which the way they are playin' is very diable, and they probably make the playoffs... Like who wants them in the 1st round??? Huh??? They are on fire right now!!! B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: bankley Date: 02 Apr 08 - 07:36 PM the Cup moves around but Vancouver will always have the Stanley Park |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Jack the Sailor Date: 01 Apr 08 - 11:30 PM The way they are slumping they will get chewed up in the first round anyway. If they bow out early, I'll cheer for Pittsburgh. Great young team, fun to watch and the salary cap will probably break them up for next season. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Beer Date: 01 Apr 08 - 11:20 PM Two great teams. I hope your wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Jack the Sailor Date: 01 Apr 08 - 11:16 PM I had two top ranked teams to cheer for a month ago, Senators and Hurricanes. Now it looks like one of them won't make it to the playoffs. They are both sagging like the sack on a sixteen year old shar-pei. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Beer Date: 01 Apr 08 - 11:02 PM Yahooooooooooo!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: GUEST,Texas Guest Date: 01 Apr 08 - 10:54 PM Big Mick, I'll take you up on that pint and see you another in a fine toast to the Irish and the Red Wings,...and Beer can slide in there too. Cheers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Jack the Sailor Date: 01 Apr 08 - 01:21 PM Coffee was a pretty good imitation of the style. I would agree that most could not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Sandy Mc Lean Date: 01 Apr 08 - 10:36 AM "Set the speed.............. Bobby Orr could do this as well." He sure could! He was able to control play much the same way as Howe. Both of them would play their regular shift, kill penalties and quarter-back the power plays without burning out because they could slow the whole game down when they grew tired. Orr learned much from watching Howe and he had the natural ability to make it work. Even with crippled knees he could outskate the opposition. I would place Orr #2 on my greatest all around player list but oddly not the greatest defenseman. That spot belongs to Doug Harvey. Orr played in a weaker post expansion league and he changed the game to suit his style. For a defenseman to skate behind the opposing net was almost unheard of before, but it became his signature play to pass out to big Esposito planted in front of the net or to use Espo as a decoy as he slipped the puck home himself. However Orr changed the game not always for the better because every defenseman in the league tried to imitate his style and non could. That was not his fault though. He was great! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Mooh Date: 01 Apr 08 - 10:05 AM YouTube has Big Bob & The Dollars "Gordie Howe Is The Greatest Of Them All". Pretty camp, but some fun. Peace, Mooh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Mooh Date: 01 Apr 08 - 09:56 AM Saw Gordie Howe on TV receive his jacket. He still looks better than the men's league players hereabouts. When I was a kid, he was one of the few players who transcended the team, ie fans of all teams cheered for him. Not just great conditioning, training, skills, and inate ability, but fantastic perception, ambition, grace, and pure unadulterated instinct. Old clips of him leave me with that "how'd he get there?" feeling. Gretzky had it, but didn't have the size and stamina. Few players would qualify for the "perfect player" definition, but Howe would be first. Peace, Mooh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Beer Date: 01 Apr 08 - 07:48 AM Set the speed.............. Bobby Orr could do this as well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Sandy Mc Lean Date: 01 Apr 08 - 07:29 AM No way gnu. Ferguson picked his opponents. When Eric Nesterinko, who was rated #1 tough guy in his day, took on Howe it was a one punch knock out. After that the tough guys left Howe alone. Howe was not a fighter on the ice because in his younger days he was feared and in later years so highly respected that he didn't have to be. Howe had his own space on the ice. People entered it at their peril. Opposing Howe you would play the puck, not the body and wait politely for him to come out of the corners. Only Tim Horton and Bobby Hull were nearly as strong as Howe, but he was regarded as the strongest in his day. Messier was probably the one closest to matching his skill and strenth combination. Howe could do things that nobody else could though. He had a wrist shot that was deadly hard and accurate and could shoot right or left. More than anything else he could set the speed of the game to his liking. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: gnu Date: 01 Apr 08 - 04:25 AM Yeees... Mr. Elbows! But, a fight? I say John Ferguson would win. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Beer Date: 31 Mar 08 - 10:12 PM It wouldn't have happened because they would have respected each other. Just like Frank Mahovlich vs Bobby Hull or Richard versing Howe and so on. I just don't think it would have happened. However to answer your question. I don't know. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 31 Mar 08 - 09:55 PM Howie had the best elbows in the league. ;-) Messier was a bit of a bad ass too. In a straight up fight who would win? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Beer Date: 31 Mar 08 - 09:51 PM Thanks for the reminder Sandy. And Jack, your right there is no comparison. But I will say this. Mr Howe didn't need anyone to protect him. I don't believe, and correct me if I am wrong, that he had any weakness. Your welcome Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Big Mick Date: 31 Mar 08 - 09:40 PM Gordie Howe....... yep, that man stood in a class all by himself. Thanks, Adrien, I will certainly do that. You do me honor with the offer. I look forward to that day, and sharing a jar and some songs. All the best, Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 31 Mar 08 - 09:19 PM Gordie is certainly in my top five. But there is no comparing him to Gretzky. There is no comparing Gretzky to Orr, or Orr to Lemeiux or Lemeiux to Messier. Now there are a few kids in the league who may join that group. Maybe two in Pittsburgh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Sandy Mc Lean Date: 31 Mar 08 - 09:13 PM Well Mr. Hockey turned 80 today. To my mind he was the all time great even though I was never a Wings fan. Go Gordie go! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Beer Date: 31 Mar 08 - 08:35 PM You come any further east make sure you p/m me first. You have a place to stay. Adrien |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Big Mick Date: 31 Mar 08 - 08:32 PM I sure can't argue with the tradition in those towns, JTS. But I am coming from the completely partisan and biased standpoint of a diehard, dyed in the wool, Red Wings fan. Adrien, it goes without saying that you are in on that pint. I will be in Canada visiting my good friends in Toronto, and mebbe taking a ramble a bit further. First pint on me, mon ami. Mick, member of the Mudcat Red Wing fanatics club. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 31 Mar 08 - 08:29 PM By the time I got old enough to remember the player's names Norman Ullman was a Leaf. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Beer Date: 31 Mar 08 - 08:18 PM Hay!!! I feel left out on that pint. I've been to Hockeytown 5 times, all at the Olympia. I have followed the Wings since the age of 8 Stayed with then during the hard times as well. Spoke to old scare face in 1963. Shook hands with Norman Ullman. Seen Alex close up as well as Mr Hockey. Never been to the Joe. Maybe one day if I'm invited for a pint. Beer (adrien) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 31 Mar 08 - 08:10 PM Mick, I've been to Hockey town. Great tradition, great hockey fans. You make a good point. But I've been to Montreal (23 Cups) and Toronto (where the Cup lives) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Big Mick Date: 31 Mar 08 - 08:03 PM GUEST,Texas Guest, I can't wait to meet you. When that finally works out, we must coordinate. You have exactly the same tastes in sports that I do. Notre Dame is my passion, and my Red Wings .... what can one say. True hockey fans haven't lived until they have been to Hockeytown. When we meet, the first pint is on me. A month ago I went down to a Bass Pro Shops store in Portage, Indiana. I got disoriented by all the Notre Dame paraphanelia being worn. One lady, when I explained that I was used to being one of a very small minority amongst all the University of Michigan fans, told me, "Don't worry, honey, you are safe here. You are among family". *****chuckle***** Go Wings!!!!!! All the best, Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: wysiwyg Date: 31 Mar 08 - 04:40 PM Our "local" ECHL team (an hour away) has sent a couple of guys to the AHL this year, and one has already gotten some NHL ice time. It IS great seeing them start out. On the other hand, "our" ECHL team feeds not into "our" Pens (who are only "ours" because our cable happens to carry them), but regularly trounces the team that does feed into the Pens' system. I have come to the conclusion that the sole reason for that lowly ECHL team's existence in the Pens' organization is to make a place to threaten to send non-producing AHL players down to. :~) Because they lose to everyone! :~) ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: GUEST,Texas Guest Date: 31 Mar 08 - 03:38 PM 3refs - man, that is something I could NEVER do - wear the jacket of the opposition in deference to my teams bad play. If it's hockey I'm wearing a Red Wings item or with any sport it's Notre Dame. Both of which I love to wear down here in Texas because so many sports folks down here dispise the Red Wings and the Fighting Irish. It's great fun. Cheers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Jack the Sailor Date: 31 Mar 08 - 11:40 AM I just realized you are in Portland ME. Please disregard the time zone thing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Jack the Sailor Date: 31 Mar 08 - 11:39 AM Vancouver will probably be the last year for the NHL in the Olympics, It will be in your time zone, you should watch some games. A Canadian teal with Crosby, Getzlaf, Perry, Spezza, Heatley and all the Staal brothers. The Russians with Malkin, Ovechkin, Datsyuk, Kovalchuk and Nabokov The Swedes with Alfredson, Lidstrom, Sundin Zetterberg the Sedins and Lundqvist Very very strong teams playing for pride instead of money! its been a great tournament for the past fer tears. Check it out in two years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Becca72 Date: 31 Mar 08 - 11:22 AM I can get great seats in Portland for $12 (parking in the garage next door just went up...to $5). Up until last season Portland was the farm team for the Capitals and we've seen a lot of really talented guys come through here in the past 15 years. It's fun to watch a game now and say "yup..Olie Kolzig (for example)..saw him play in Portland back in the day" I have to admit I don't watch Olympic hockey..but the minor leagues are worth watching, for sure. We've got the AHL Portland Pirates and also the QMJL Lewiston Mainiacs here. Not to mention the UMaine Black Bears. All well worth the price of a ticket. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Jack the Sailor Date: 31 Mar 08 - 11:03 AM It must be great seeing guys like that when they are young and having it cost a small fraction of the NHL game. The six team league was good. They had a lot of Canadian talent to pick from. Now, in many ways the best hockey is in the Olympics. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Becca72 Date: 31 Mar 08 - 07:55 AM Jack, Getzlaff, Perry, Sutherby and Huskins (the ones I remember) started out here in Portland and the Ducks pulled them. We've got some talent here and they're young and fast. I love having hockey so close to home and the AHL is a great league but it's hard when you're a fan of the local team (and NOT the NHL version) and lose all your best guys this time of year. Though that IS what the AHL is for so I guess I should just suck it up and get used to it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Sandy Mc Lean Date: 31 Mar 08 - 07:45 AM Bowers??? "Bower" :-} |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Sandy Mc Lean Date: 31 Mar 08 - 07:43 AM 3refs said: "But, if I had to pick one, I couldn't! I'd flip a coin and take either Bower or Jacques Plante." These guys were truly great! As long as Plante stayed in his crease he could stop anything. Problem was that he liked to wander around, but Les Habs had a second netminder on the ice called Doug Harvey. Bowers had lightning fast reflexes and would get his glove, stick, pad, or head if necessary (no mask) in front of a Bobby Hull or Boom Boom slapshot. He was an old man by hockey standards and was still quicker than a teenager. A great shame that his younger playing days were lost in the minors. Sawchuck I would rate as the greatest that I have seen only because he played much longer than Bower. He could do it all! Glen Hall came alive in the playoffs and deserves to be rated highly as well. All that being said all of these men had great teams with a strong defense in front of them and would face about 30 shots or less in a game. Now Gumper Worsley had a much weaker team through those years and would face twice as many shots. He let more in but his save percentage was, I believe, often the highest in the league so he deserves mention. There have been great goaltenders before and since but the last decade of the 6 team loop concentrated not only great goalies but great scorers as well. I consider that to have been hockey's greatest era! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 30 Mar 08 - 02:51 PM Are they calling up your best guys? Don't tell me they have more of that great young talent waiting in the wings (get it? Ducks.. wings?) Anyway if they have more where Getzlaf and those guys came from, its depressing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Becca72 Date: 30 Mar 08 - 01:00 PM As a person living near the city where the Ducks' AHL team is located, I'm sorry they're doing so well...that means my Portland Pirates are going to struggle in the Calder Cup playoffs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 30 Mar 08 - 12:30 PM I don't have any bets with anyone this year. I just wanted to talk hockey for a bit with the playoffs looming. I have to say. I'm not happy with the Senators. First place at the half way point, they could miss the playoffs. I still think a Ducks/Pens final is likely they both have the goaltending and they both are peaking at just the right time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: 3refs Date: 30 Mar 08 - 10:41 AM I've been so P@##ed with the Leafs for the last decade or so, I wear a Canadiens jacket just to get under the skin of people who don't know I'm really a die hard, closet-ted Leaf fan. I'll have a bonfire with it when, or if, the Leafs win Lord Stanley's mug. Last nights game, a 4-2 Toronto win against the Habs was worth the watch, as always! As for the goalie debate, Dryden won the Conn Smythe before he won Rookie of the year. Sawchuck had eyes that made the puck look like a beach ball. Johnny Bower never got a real chance until he was almost a senior citizen. Glen Hall played in 502 consecutive games. I'd take any one of them today. I think someone worth mentioning, and could play in any era is Martin Brodeur. But, if I had to pick one, I couldn't! I'd flip a coin and take either Bower or Jacques Plante. With today's equipment, I doubt you could put a pea past either one of them! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Beer Date: 30 Mar 08 - 09:21 AM I agree with you Susan and was a little surprised when this thread was launched but participate and should have mentioned the other thread where all this should have been listed. The main thing is to keep it friendly and pokes (in jest) about one team or another can be fun. Like Jack just did about the Wings and their Geritol. Jack, as far as this liquid boost, keep feeding it to them as it it has been working very well for them. Maybe not the Cup Stanley in the past few years but they have been giving their fans some very good hockey. Beer (adrien) Go Wings Go" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Becca72 Date: 30 Mar 08 - 08:13 AM Looks like I'll be cheering for the Sabres tonight...I'd LOVE to see what Ovechkin can do in the playoffs, man. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: wysiwyg Date: 30 Mar 08 - 07:43 AM It has been the tradition at Mudcat to encourage one another in one's encouragement of their teams, unlike the "trash talk" so common at umptyzillion other hockey discussion boards. Pseudolus began that tradition last year: Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it? And it has continued this year, with discussions already underway. This is a fine thread for discussing the history of the Cup, as most of the posts seem to cover, but I'd like to refer continuing conversation on this year's playoffs back to the Ice Hockey 2007-08 thread. It and Pseudolus' first hockey thread (CLICK) have quite a few useful links in them. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Becca72 Date: 30 Mar 08 - 06:48 AM LOL Jack |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 30 Mar 08 - 02:18 AM Well if it was just them. They wouldn't have anyone to beat would they? And this would be a very short thread. As far as predicting their performance, the question is do they have enough Geritol to go four rounds in the playoffs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: GUEST,Texas Guest Date: 30 Mar 08 - 01:27 AM Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen,...and ladies, too, when it comes to the sport of hockey, and I believe Mick and Beer will stand with me on this: you only have to remember two words - Red Wings! Cheers! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Date: 29 Mar 08 - 11:51 PM He played for the Conception Bay CB's after he came home. My father used to go down the shore to Harbour Grace to watch the games. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Beer Date: 29 Mar 08 - 11:12 PM Alex Faulkner was the first Newfoundlander to play in the N.H.L. Drafted by Toronto but the Wings picked him up and he played there for two years. Early sixties. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Lord Stanley's Cup From: Jack the Sailor Date: 29 Mar 08 - 08:01 PM Raj Must be Protestent |
