BS: Musicans and firearms

Subject: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 29 May 08 - 07:19 PM

In 2004, Kinks singer Ray Davies was shot in the leg while on holiday in New Orleans. The 59-year-old was shot when running after two men who stole his girlfriend's purse at gunpoint. Davies was admitted to the Medical Centre of Louisiana but his injuries were not considered serious.

On 8th Dec 1980, John Lennon was shot five times by 25 year old Mark Chapman outside the Dakota building in New York City where John and Yoko lived. Chapman had been stalking Lennon for days outside the Dakota apartments and asked for an autograph as Lennon walked through the courtyard. As he signed a piece of paper Chapman fired.

Kurt Cobain committed suicide by shooting himself in the head at his home in Seattle in 1994. His death was officially ruled a suicide by self-inflicted shotgun wound to the head. Since then, the circumstances surrounding his death have fueled much analysis and debate.

Reggae producer King Tubby was killed on 6th February 1989 after being shot in the street outside his home.

60's producer Joe Meek, shot himself dead on 3rd February 1967 after killing his landlady. (Meek produced 'Telstar' the 1962 UK and US No.1 single by The Tornadoes).

In 2005, US singer Marc Cohn survived being shot in the head during an attempted car jacking as he left a concert in Denver, Colorado. Cohn was struck in the temple by the bullet but it did not penetrate his skull. Police said a man tried to commandeer Cohn's tour van as it left after a show, the attacker was fleeing police after trying to pay a hotel bill with a stolen credit card.

In 1996, rap star Tupac Amaru Shakur died after being shot when he was driving through Las Vegas, 13 bullets were fired into his BMW. The incident was blamed on East and West Coast Gang wars.

Al Jackson, drummer with Booker T and the MG's was shot dead by burglars at his home 1st October 1975.

In 1984, Marvin Gaye was shot dead by his father during a violent argument at his parent's home in Los Angeles. His father was later charged and found guilty and was sentenced to five years for voluntary manslaughter.

Terry Kath, guitarist with US group Chicago, accidentally shot himself dead on January 23rd 1978. Kath's last words were "Don't worry it's not loaded" as he put the gun to his head and pulled the trigger. The guitarist and singer was killed instantly.

Wendy O Williams, singer with New York punk band The Plasmatics died from self-inflicted gunshot wounds on April 6th 1998.

Mick Jagger was accidentally shot in the hand during filming of 'Ned Kelly' in Australia in 1969.

R&B singer Johnny Ace shot himself dead during a game of Russian roulette backstage at a concert in Houston.

Soul singer Sam Cooke was shot dead by his manager Bertha Franklin, who claimed to have been assaulted by Cooke while staying at the Hacienda Hotel, Los Angeles. Cooke was 33 years old.

Enjoying his own birthday celebrations in 1976 singer Jerry Lee Lewis accidentally shot his bass player Norman Owens in the chest. Lewis had been blasting holes in an office door. Owens survived but sued his boss.

In 1976, Former Beatles roadie Mal Evans was shot dead by police at his Los Angeles apartment. His girlfriend called police when she found Evans upset with a rifle in his hand; he pointed the gun at the police who opened fire.

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 May 08 - 07:29 PM

There must be a point to all of this, one would think.

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: Bobert
Date: 29 May 08 - 07:32 PM

Think I'll go fire a few rounds from my Gatlin Gun....

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: meself
Date: 29 May 08 - 07:33 PM

One would think the point is, perhaps, that musicians should avoid firearms.

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 29 May 08 - 07:47 PM

I suppose a similar list could be drawn up citing drugs and alcohol as the cause of death (I could add my late mothers home made porridge). Nice to see no folk singers on the list.

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: kendall
Date: 29 May 08 - 07:48 PM

What about we who have never shot ourselves or anyone else?

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 May 08 - 07:56 PM

"What about we who have never shot ourselves or anyone else?"


                   That's just simply not newsworthy.

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: pdq
Date: 29 May 08 - 07:58 PM

Recent research has clearly shown that 93.6% of musicians are simply accident-prone.

That's what I think.

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: Deckman
Date: 29 May 08 - 07:59 PM

Like it or not, it's a nasty world out there. I'm licensed and I occasionally pack. Like I said, it's a nasty world out there. Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: gnu
Date: 29 May 08 - 08:06 PM

Fer pikes and guns is dangerous toys... Johnny, yer gettin too famailiar.

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: meself
Date: 29 May 08 - 08:07 PM

"What about we who have never shot ourselves or anyone else?"

You're just not trying.

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: Escapee
Date: 29 May 08 - 08:09 PM

If we've never shot ourselves or anyone else, we're just not trying. Or just lucky. Like Deckman says...

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 29 May 08 - 08:15 PM

I agreed, music can be a ring of fire. I think Kendall your jumping the gun a bit. Riginslinger, I wouldn't shoot the story down just yet. It depends on the calibre of the information.

A lot of their recordings are still available on .45rpm. You really have to rifle through the information above. The information is all true, the story isn't loaded.

You can draw from it what you like. Some of the artists names require a silencer to listen to them singing. None of it is chamber music. If you want to sing along, it's dumb dumb.

I was glad to see my old friend Roy C wasn't on the list, I love his rendering of Shotgun Wedding. There is a various range of music on that list. Some of it's on single, possibly automatic too. I am not familiar with some of the singers named, I really don't keep my finger on the trigger regarding modern releases, although to a younger generation the sounds can be explosive.

I prefer the old stuff, I still have a lot on 8 track cartridge.

Sorry if it's con fusing.

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: gnu
Date: 29 May 08 - 08:20 PM

We have a contender!

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 29 May 08 - 08:44 PM

What to be shot ? I here I am, a great admirer of all your posts gru.

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 29 May 08 - 08:50 PM

This has always been a big problem. In the old west, often was seen, in western flicks at least, the sign, "Don't Shoot the Piano Player." Also, that was the tile of a cool, French, film noir of the 1960s.

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 29 May 08 - 08:59 PM

Drug ridden Pete Doherty would make a fine target.

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: HuwG
Date: 30 May 08 - 12:36 AM

Given the stories at the head of this thread, "avoiding guns" means "avoiding the United States".

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: Slag
Date: 30 May 08 - 01:25 AM

Avoid musicians. Musicians kill musicians, not guns!

(mmmm, I shot the sheriff, but I did not shoot the deputy...)

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: Jack Campin
Date: 30 May 08 - 07:28 AM

I like the way the Google advert is offering criminal record checks.

The original poster forgot about Charles Mingus, who was thrown out of Duke Ellington's band after threatening another band member with a gun on-stage.

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: Mr Happy
Date: 30 May 08 - 07:52 AM

Apart from Mick the Lips, all the other incidents occured in the good 'ole USA

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: Bobert
Date: 30 May 08 - 08:24 AM

And of course we could always outlaw music... That should take care of this little situation...

B~

"My first pistol was a cap and ball Colt
Shoot fast as lightnin' but loaded a might slow
But load a tad slow, I soon found out
It'll get you into trouble but it can't get you out..."

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: bankley
Date: 30 May 08 - 08:58 AM

'Nothin' touched the trigger but the Devil's right hand'

Johnny Paycheck shot a man in the head with a 22 in an Ohio bar... it wasn't fatal, but he got 20 yrs, which was greatly reduced after legal efforts sponsered by George Jones and Haggard

Jerry Lee Lewis was once arrested on the grounds of Graceland in the wee hours, for brandishing a pistol and daring Elvis to come outside to settle the question of who was the real King of rock and roll.

and of course Presley shot his TV when Robert Goulet came on a program..

the lead guitarist for Chicago, Danny Katz shot himself in the head while playing russian roulette.... he lost that round

Ira Louvain was notorious for alcohol fueled gunplay, a few of his parties broke up fast when this started...

on the 'folkier side' David Crosby used to get into lots of trouble for his fondness of firearms and paranoia...

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: GUEST,Minerva
Date: 30 May 08 - 09:06 AM

Most of the incidents cited were for people well known to have used mind-altering drugs.

Mind-altering drug user = idiot.

Idiot, of whatever nationality = havoc, whether with guns, or cars, or knives, or plastic bags.

F*** 'em.

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: Wesley S
Date: 30 May 08 - 09:06 AM

I believe it was Bukka White that was shot at point blank range while he was on stage. It was lucky for Bukka that he was playing a National {metal bodied} guitar. The guitar took the bullet.

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 30 May 08 - 09:10 AM

I own a couple of firearms. The only living thing I shoot with them is the occasional water moccasin that shows up in my pond. In order for a musician to be in danger of being shot by me, he'd have to be long, skinny, ugly, and scaly. I guess that means Keith Richards shouldn't come around, huh?

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: Big Mick
Date: 30 May 08 - 09:15 AM

Someone should be shot for not shooting Richards before he had a chance to procreate. Damn shame to let that DNA pass on. :0)

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: Midchuck
Date: 30 May 08 - 10:13 AM

Someone should be shot for not shooting Richards before he had a chance to procreate. Damn shame to let that DNA pass on. :0)

Mick

Mick, you should have gotten on another computer to make that post as a guest, so people would have thought "Mick" was Jagger. Would o' been funny.

P.

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: Wesley S
Date: 30 May 08 - 11:18 AM

How much proof do we have that "Big Mick" as we know him isn't the lead singer for the Rolling Stones? If the government can fake a moon landing and cover up the truth behind the 9/11 attacks then covering up "Big Mick's" true identity would be a piece of cake.

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: pdq
Date: 30 May 08 - 12:48 PM

"the lead guitarist for Chicago, Danny Katz shot himself in the head while playing russian roulette.... he lost that round"

That was Terry Kath, as mentioned in the initial post.

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: Amos
Date: 30 May 08 - 01:35 PM

The list that started this thread is an inconsistent mix of musicians who had or handled firearms, and musicians who encountered total strangers with fire arms. No consclusion can be supported by such a body of mixed up data--it would be just as shockign if it was an inventory of golf players who had similar incidents, or firemen or Chihuahua breeders.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: gnu
Date: 30 May 08 - 01:52 PM

Victor in Mapperton...

My last post refers to your post of Date: 29 May 08 - 08:15 PM. By "contender" I mean that your punnage in that post is worthy of you being onsidered a contender for the crown. If you work diligently, you could even give Severn a pun for his money within years. Of course, being punner up to Severn is indeed a lofty goal.

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: bankley
Date: 31 May 08 - 10:18 PM

"Terry Kath".... thanx PDQ... the details get blurred after so many years... was also thinking of guitar ace Danny Gatton who shot himself

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Jun 08 - 12:36 AM

I always love the story about hank william's attache case, that he carried round. Just contained the money in cash from his gigs (couldn't trust any of his women with it), a bottle of whisky and a sixgun.

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: quokka
Date: 01 Jun 08 - 03:33 AM

To pdq - research shows that 43.6% of statistics are made up on the spot

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: GUEST,Chief Chaos
Date: 01 Jun 08 - 04:51 PM

I think the same could be said about musicians and any from of transportation, whether it be small planes (Richie Vallens, Big Bopper, Buddy Holly), Helicopters (Stevie Ray Vaughn), motorcycles and busses (Lynyrd Skynyrd). Pretty much inevitable that some of us are going to die under "other than normal" conditions.

Gnu, although I'm left shell shocked by Victor's entry he hasn't even clipped the competition who has a barrel of puns to be considered

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: Gervase
Date: 01 Jun 08 - 05:16 PM

I had the chance to shoot a cap and ball Colt today - fiddly to load, but great fun to shoot, and the .45 soft lead balls make an impressive hole in the target.
Also shot a .357 underlever Marlin and a hefty .60 buffalo gun firing a 470 grain bullet - which was a monster. This was after a get-together with musicians, so the two can go together peacefully...

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: pdq
Date: 01 Jun 08 - 05:18 PM

Wear ear protection.

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: GUEST,Chief Chaos
Date: 01 Jun 08 - 05:53 PM

If you must ever fire a Derringer...

Do not,
I say DO NOT!,
do as I did and loosen your grip on the little bastard!

I was firing a friend's over/under .410 Derringer. One trigger for both barrels. Let up on the trigger slightly to set the second shell and then squeeze for the second shell...except that it wouldn't!

I put the pistol at high port arms and requested assistance (the friend was a qualified range master). He checked the weapon over and had me let out on the trigger again (although I had heard the tell tale "click" that should have meant the trigger was set). As I was bringing the weapon back down to aim I found out what the term "hair trigger" meant. The second barrel fired and because it only has about 2.5 inches of well polished wood for a grip, and I had loosened my grip, it flew up and out of my hand! It didn't quite clear my head as it flew and the thumb grip on the hammer left a neat little gouge just about dead center on my forehead. I probably did more damage to my forehead than I did to the target with that second shell!

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: frogprince
Date: 01 Jun 08 - 06:17 PM

.410 Derringer? Are we talkin' about a Derringer that fires "four-ten" shotgun shells? If so, (1) I never want to be one the wrong end of that , and (2) thank your lucky stars it wasn't a 12 gauge. : )

Subject: RE: BS: Musicans and firearms
From: Slag
Date: 01 Jun 08 - 11:40 PM

Elsewhere I posted my experience with the same .410 derringer--- my one and only experience with the same i might add. Wow! My hand stung for the rest of that day!.