BS: Foreign-Farce Football

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: GUEST,Johnny Foreigner
Date: 03 Aug 08 - 01:19 PM

So once again it all comes down to ethnic / cultural stereotyping...

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 09 Aug 08 - 02:15 PM

http://www.infoukes.com/history/ww2/page-14.html Here is some foreign-farcical influence that any team could do with.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 16 Aug 08 - 04:26 PM

The foreign free-market football farce has kicked off again, an Italian is still being payed a fortune to tell our national team how to play/compete for us, and I still like it the meaningful REGULATED way it was.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Aug 08 - 06:16 PM

wav,australian fooball, is GAA Irish Football,a good example, of lack of football purity.
however, football did have more meaning,when Huddersfield Town,really did mean players from that area.
from am aesthetic point of view,if I want to watch skilful football,I would watch Arsenal,and their foreign players.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 05:12 AM

Yes, CB, the quality now is very good, as it's a very free market and the English league is rich with punters' money for the top most-highly-payed players from around the world. But, before deregulation, the quality was good and their was a LOT more meaning. In the 60s, my parents knew the area of Manchester where most (not all) of the players grew up in. So when Manchester played Liverpool or Sunderland, e.g., there was real meaning - fans were supporting men schooled in their own town/city. To me, that was a far better way, and I've lost interest in who's winning these free-market days.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: The Sandman
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 05:39 AM

walkabout,that is one of the great things about watching hurling and gaelic football,they are all local people playing.Iam sure youdont mind that its Irish.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 06:00 AM

As I said somewhere above, WAV, local football still thrives, much as does local music, in exactly the way you say it should be.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 06:02 AM

In Aus. there was/is a programme called Wide World of Sports, which, occasionally would show some of those two - it seems to me, hurling requires a very stong nerve indeed, and how more don't get injured from ball or stick baffles me; also enjoyed a bit of gaelic football, and a combo. game when the Irish take on Australian rules footballers...I presume it still happens..? However, see even less of these sports now that I'm back in England.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: kendall
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 07:18 AM

Football. A game in which a gang of glandular cases engage seriously in some sort of silly ball kicking thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 08:37 AM

I think it's perhaps the best team-sport (and tennis the best individual-sport), Kendall - it's the new "system" (at the game's highest level here, IB) that I'm peeved about.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 10:34 AM

Don't be peeved; rejoice in the human level of things that still exist, and still thrive, heartily & with gusto! This is where the real meat of the thing lies, surely? As with music, then so with sport; a matter of culture & love rather than money & status...

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 03:33 AM

Im manufacturing mess-rooms, I've heard folks say similar to you, IB - if you want to see a good game of football, go and watch the local-juniors; but, not that long ago, those kids had much more hope of one day playing for their nearest professional club, for a living - now they see those posts (if you'll pardon the pun!) filled, almost wall-to-wall, with foreigners, and they read flyers saying that, if they complain, they'll be shown "the red card" for racism. A ridiculous state of affairs, in my opinion, that is NOT good for our national team, either.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 04:20 AM

I'm not talking about junior football - rather small / local (human?) league football, which is to say the original thing, played on grey days & watched by grey people. Whatever the aspirations of juniors might be in any field of life, it is only realistic that the wealth & celebrity status of big league & international professional football exists only for a tiny minority of especially talented players, with most of them going to play for local sides, of which we are particularly well served.

Like it or not big league football exists on an international level, as does most big league culture in general; this is an inevitable process of cultural internationalism, rather than globalisation per se, and does not reflect local interests other than what locals want to see as consumers, rather than active participants. It's also about big money & the best players, regardless of where they're from.

Two video clips by way of illustration:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D5AfX4YUag

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH8TbX8zrYI

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 04:34 AM

"with most of them going to play for local sides, of which we are particularly well served" (IB)...that's how it was before deregualion...and when fans say to me "it won't go back - there's too much money in it now", I say "vote with your feet" (if you'll pardon antother pun), and force the FA to REREGLULATE.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 06:43 AM

E.g: Arsenal just beat Newcastle convincingly (3:0), but whether men trained around Arsenal are better at football than men trained around Newcastle WE KNOW NOT - because deregulation HAS turned out game into a greedy meaningless foreign farce...REREGULATE (as above)!

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 12:24 PM

"Our club football competition should be regulated back to the way it was - mostly-locals in MEANINGFUL competition; and clubs, including Newcastle United, should be owned by local councils." (This, from me, was read out, last night, on the interactive segment of our local ITV news, regarding the troubles at NU.)

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 04:47 AM

Let's hope all this overdue talk of regulationism, due to the credit crunch, spreads to our league football as well - then we will again have MEANING as well as quality.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: GUEST,Justin Urquart
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 04:53 AM

See the new English season off to the ususal start with referees handing goals to Manchester United, why is this allowed year after year ?

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 02:08 PM

The name itself is something of a misnomer now, JU: as I suggested above, not that long ago the majority of the team would have been from thereabouts - now, sadly, players might just as well change shirts BERORE kick-off, whatever the refereeing which I (put off by deregulation) can't really comment on.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 Sep 08 - 06:04 PM

Well call me old fashioned, but I think its high time the results of football matches were decided in the good old English fashioned way.

There should be a panel of judges including Andrew Lloyd Webber, Len Goodman and Simon Cowell. the teams should each get ten minutes and be judged strictly on their entertainment value, star quality and and sex appeal.

As for front of goal celebrations - no one minds a manly squeeze of the bottom, and kiss on both cheeks and discreet fondling - but I agree with WAV and Alf Ramsey on this one - no French kissing and appliances that use batteries are right out.

A big mistake, in my opinion, was the introduction of running water in the toilets and the closure of pie stall with really disgusting cups of tea inside football grounds. Also things were much better when just one policeman policed the whole match - mostly looking the other way.

The footballers themselves get away with murder. When was the last time you saw a footballer wearing a pair of boots with a big shiney toe cap and a lethal set of studs. You could do some real damage with those buggers and it kept all these bloody foreigners out.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 05:48 AM

...frankly, I don't know whose eaten all the pies (WLD) but it's not all over as far as proper meaningful toe-capless competition goes...more-and-more will be talking, over a pie a tea or an ale, of the reregulation of football, along with other elements of the "free-market economy." (And may I refer you back to the opening post/poem - "REREGULATE".)

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: GUEST,Justin Urquart
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 06:21 AM

You are correct WLD. I just looked it up on the web. Not that I didn't believe you. That policeman was called Tarique Ghaffur.Check yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 06:39 AM

well that's what we need! vicious sliding tackles, great big boots with huge lethal studs, blind referees and shin guards, woolly socks, and goalkeepers that wear caps, and above all spectators that stand up and cheer, wear caps and drink a lot before the match and wee on each other.

if that doesn't keep the continentals out - nowt will.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: GUEST,Justin Urquart
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 07:05 AM

Hey, did the manager of Manchester United ever get charged when a highway patrol found him on the hard shoulder with his trousers undone ?

It was a few years back.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 07:46 AM

Sir Alex Ferguson ......?

Justin, I can't recollect the incident. Could happen to anyone though.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: GUEST,Justin Urquart
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 08:09 AM

Found it. It occurred in 1999, I recall in was on the television news. I was in London at the time. He was driving on a motorway hard shoulder, he had his trousers undone. He said he had severe diarrhoea and needed to reach a toilet. The let him off, it didn't stick ! Advised to carry Bisto in the car.

WLD, not so sure it could happen to anyone. I keep my pants up while driving.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: Stu
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 10:15 AM

Typical Manchester Bloody United - always getting the decisions going their way.

If that had been Our Lord Martin O'Neill (Praise be his name) he would have got 100 hours community service at St. Andrews teaching Blues fans how not to dribble (Bov down their fronts).

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 01:04 PM

...will he ever manage Scotland..?

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: GUEST,stigweard with cookie trouble
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 01:09 PM

That last guest was me!

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 05:35 AM

To Stigweard with cookie trouble - me too, maybe...the newly amended myspace keeps crumbling on me...and oh for olde regulated English club football, to boot...

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: Stu
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 06:05 AM

My post was deleted - was that really necessary seeing as I pointed out it was me with cookie problems (due to a system update)?

What I said was Martin O'Neill is Irish, and as long as he sticks with Aston Villa and doesn't go to manage anyone else then that's fine by me.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 30 Sep 08 - 01:02 PM

...will he ever manage Ireland..?

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 12:52 PM

I just heard how, Sven, the Swede, planned on getting foreign players, playing in the newly deregulated English premier league, to play for England.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 06:43 AM

...and I just heard Sepp Blatter, head of FIFA, questioning all the foreign ownership of football clubs now, and how competitions are becoming more-and-more about money and less-and-less about culture, society, spirit, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 06:55 AM

An example of another foreign farce (or is it a farcical foreigner), from your favourite source.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Mussabini

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: Master Baiter
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 12:58 AM

I found the following article, a letter to a parliamentary official, about "Sir Alf R." who I assume to be ?????? Perhaps catspaw49 wasn't kidding about the dog molesting as you see. Locations and date make it probable. Surprises me that more wasn't made of it at the time.



Dear Lord Richland:

        I am a board certified criminal prosecutor In Ipswich with over 12 years experience and approximately 150 trials to my credit. I write in support of Rule of Law #744 and in order to advocate for the necessity of this new law, I will start briefly by explaining one such case I have handled recently in this jurisdiction.

        In late 1964, I prosecuted the case of QB v. Sir Alf R., Circuit Case Number 2005-CF-3027. Sir R. had been charged by law enforcement with Felony Animal Cruelty, though the charge if available should have been Bestiality or Sexual Activity Involving an Animal. I will not go into the disgusting facts of the case other than to say Sir Alf R. was having sexual relations with his male dog, an English Cocker Spaniel. The complainant in the case called the police when she observed Sir R. fondling the dog. I will leave off further discussion by simply stating that in subsequent discussions with law enforcement, Sir Alf R. spoke freely about his regular sexual activities with his dog and said he would take the dog for a walk prior to sex to "prevent fecal impact." I have attached a copy of the probable cause (with the complainant's name omitted) so the facts can speak for themselves. As you can see, law enforcement incorrectly advised Sir Alf R. that they were investigating bestiality and that "it was a felony crime."

        We did our best to pursue the case on the charge of Animal Cruelty but this charge was not the best vehicle to properly address the crimes of nature committed by this Defendant. On the charge of Felony Animal Cruelty, the prosecution is required to prove a defendant intentionally committed an act against an animal which resulted in the cruel death or excessive or repeated infliction of unnecessary pain or suffering. For Misdemeanor Animal Cruelty, the prosecution must show the person has caused the animal to be overworked, deprived of sustenance or shelter, or unnecessarily mutilates, kills or carries any animal in a cruel or inhumane manner. I can easily envision such a case of Bestiality being charged as Animal Cruelty before the trier of fact, be it a judge or a jury, and the Defense expert veterinarian testifying that although he finds "the Defendant's behavior shocking and disgusting, the animal was unharmed and otherwise well cared for." If such a case ever made it to trial, the resulting acquittal would be an easy lesson for the prosecutor to learn.

        Other than the tenuous charge of Animal Cruelty, the only other means of addressing this crime of nature would be as a questionable misdemeanor offense under Stat. Section 755.01 which adopts the Common Law of England. Like most civilized nations, our legal forbearers understandably saw fit to address bestiality in the criminal courts. If this theory of the law were pursued, prosecutors would be left to attempt to utilize ancient English Law to address this criminal conduct. Such a prosecutor would clearly have an uphill battle. Although case law provides for application of the Common Law of England in some situations, I can envision much mention of our Declaration of Independence and the fact that "we make our own laws here" during pretrial motion arguments. A resulting dismissal of the charges would be understandable under this scenario.

        What we often hear in the legal realm is that "if the Parliament wanted something to be a crime then they would have passed a law against it." Litigants can rarely argue that the failure to pass a law was merely a timing or funding issue or that it would have been passed if we did not have financial troubles. If the Parliament does anything, it should use a small portion of its time to pass one of the most unanimously uncontested laws in recent history. There cannot possibly be any rational opponent of this bill.

        It is unseemly that a person can knowingly sexually violate any animal of their choice and this does not, by itself, seem to be against the law without some type of creative and possibly tenuous prosecution. The most important consideration for the Committee to address, however, is the impact this crime of nature could have on humans.

        The clear status of our law at this point is that Parliament has not prohibited bestiality. Bestiality is currently legal. As shocking as this is for the public to learn when such cases come to light, it would be even more shocking for the public to discover that a proposed bill was actually before this PArliamentary Justice Committee and the Committee failed to take any action to move this forward.   Acting on such an uncontested issue should use minimal time and resources compared to the many other issues that remain contested or debatable before you.

                                                                Respectfully,

                                                                Michael J. Bauer
       Ipswich Solicitor
       December, 1966

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: GUEST,Justin U
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 05:46 PM

Do you think it would be possible for European football officals to just present Manchester United with the cup now ?

They played tonight and their first TWO GOALS were clearly offside and the referee and linesman allowed them !

This seems to be the norm for united, we see it every weekend, so why not Europe.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: ard mhacha
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 04:04 AM

I agree the two Berbatov goals were off side, and Rooney`s disallowed effort was onside, in all cases the Belgian officials were wrong, it is time TV evidence was used, there has been far too many mistakes,
it works well in Rugby Union

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 06:02 AM

I can't comment on that as I didn't watch - I used to be very keen on our club-football before deregulation, when it was mostly-locals against mostly-locals in MEANINGFUL competion; so, mind if I ask, how many players on the field were ex-local-juniors? Or could they have just as well swapped shirts BEFORE the "match"?

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 10:01 AM

This is, of course, just more racist bollocks, Wavy. Though, of course, other more astute commentators have picked up on it, such as Here.

Otherwise, you want local football, go support your local club.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 12:51 PM

It's meaningful regulated football verses deregulated football NOT "racist bullocks" (IB - who on the "England's National Musical-Instrument" thread repeatedly referred to a recorder made in Japan as an "Engrish frute").

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: ard mhacha
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 04:51 PM

Insane Beard,Call it whatever you like but I laughed my head off, very funny.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 05:22 PM

Here is a traditional English folk song, meant to be accompanied on Engrish Frute.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nebe1zuEtbc&feature=related

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: GUEST,Joy Bringer
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 07:00 PM

You are dead right Insane Beard. I agree with you. Two sectarian remarks in six months and still no action has been been taken.

Hear it for yourself.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QlEoj6qJZ7w

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 10:40 PM

Hey Wavyracistasshole......What the hell is "meaningful" ferchrissakes? Its a fuckin' game numbnuts! Regulated or not, its a game and your hero is just another player......although I understand he paid your Mumsy twice the going rate for a b-j!   Contrary to what you may have heard, sport is not always a paradigm for life.

In all seriousness....You're a flat-out racist of the worst type who hides behind little structured speeches which only show how far gone you really are. You need to wake up and smell the toast burning. I know that for you that may not be easy, but remember, your mother is.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 05:14 AM

It's meaningful regulated football verses deregulated football NOT "racist bullocks" (IB - who on the "England's National Musical-Instrument" thread repeatedly referred to a recorder made in Japan as an "Engrish frute").

The word is bollocks, Wavy - racist bullocks would imply something very different indeed (consider this an essential lesson in vernacular English usage that'll get you far with your repatriation). Otherwise wind in your neck, and enjoy yourself for once in your life - so sit back & enjoy the inspirational antics of The Amazing Mr Woo then, if really is meaningful football you're looking for, check out This.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 06:28 AM

Sorry for the spelling IB - who once had a long argument on Mudcat with someone else about such pedantics - but I genuinely prefer our club football the way it was before deregualtion: mostly locals competing against mostly locals (the way our county cricket still is, touch wood!).

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 08:32 AM

Sorry for the spelling IB - who once had a long argument on Mudcat with someone else about such pedantics

Not pedantry in this case, Wavy - more a matter of disambiguation arising from cultural usage. Being a naturalised Australian it's natural for you to use bullock, as you do from time to time when you allow your native vernacular to shine through in all its glory.

but I genuinely prefer our club football the way it was before deregualtion: mostly locals competing against mostly locals (the way our county cricket still is, touch wood!).

Proper football, like proper music, exists at a more human level; hence the link to the Northern League where you find teams such as West Allotment in the first division. Instead of wasting time ranting on about stuff you'll never change, get out there and support your local side which will be made up of locals. And whilst you're on, join your local morris side, which will be made up of locals too. Life's too short for whinging, Wavy - especially when there's so much out there to be enjoyed.

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 12:45 PM

IB - It is true that I was "naturalised" in a formal ceremony in Aus. - but, as said in verse , I was too young to declare allegiance to the monarchy - fittingly, because, as an adult, I'm very much against monarchism and pleased that the Nepalese saw the light this year and ended theirs.
And, remember, the Northern League way that we both seem to like was, not that long ago, pretty much the national way also - in terms of mostly locals, i.e.
I think I'll continue to enjoy watching, rather than participating, in our folk dancing, for the time being..?...I think you said you've played for dance, do you dance also?

Subject: RE: BS: Foreign-Farce Football
From: mandotim
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 12:54 PM

Er Wav; you refer to an era when our football was not deregulated. As far as I know, prior to a brief period in the eighties when EUFA attempted to impose quotas on foreign players playing for clubs (in European competitions only) there have never been regulations about the number of foreign players in English teams. The EUFA rule was sailing very close to the wind in terms of EU legislation on restraint of trade, and was quietly dropped. Which era are you referring to as 'before deregulation'?
Tim