BS: Glasgow earthquake!

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Jim McLean
Date: 13 May 11 - 02:52 PM

Teribus, I'm sure Mudcatters can read what has been posted but I'm afraid I don't understand your last post "200 Up!"

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 13 May 11 - 06:12 PM

I think it was a reference to the number of casualties one peace loving Scotsnman was hoping to cause by sending an explosive device to a famous football manager.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Jim McLean
Date: 14 May 11 - 04:51 AM

If you are correct, Alan Whittle, then I can only just shake my head in utter disbelieve in such murderous bigotry ... and wonder what it has to do with this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Teribus
Date: 14 May 11 - 05:04 AM

Nice one Al ;)

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 14 May 11 - 06:14 AM

The neil lennon affair is just beyond belief. God knows we have some idiots and arseholes in England, but I CANNOT believe inflammatory behaviour like his has been tolerated on the British mainland. Compare and contrast the way Glen Hoddle got the sack for being non PC - not even a threat to public order.

The threads called Glasgow earthquake and Scotland had better get on to dealing with the situation before one of the nail bombs get through.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: GUEST,John MacKenzie
Date: 14 May 11 - 08:14 AM

Al, it's been going on for too many years. There have been people murdered in cold blood, just because they wore the 'wrong' team colours.
It's one of the many reasons I hate football, and also why I left the west of Scotland.
Believe me, there is nothing scarier than being approached by some big neanderthal and his mates, and being asked the 5 scariest words in the Scots language, "Whit team dae ye support?" You just know, you're in for a kicking, nine times out of ten.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 14 May 11 - 08:24 AM

John we have more football hooligans in England than any place on earth. But a manager spitting on the other teams colours. Shouting, Come on! You Orange bastards!

What are the authorities thinking of?

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: akenaton
Date: 14 May 11 - 10:57 AM

What the fuck has this to do with the Scottish Nationalists being elected by a landslide?

Sectarianism, especially in the west of Scotland is historic and was rooted in working class politics, both Conservatives and Labour blatantly used the sectarian card to consolidate their support.
I have never heard religious prejudice used by anyone associated with Scottish Nationalism.......It has always been the preserve of rabid Unionists or the Labour local government mafia.

I have been voting Nationalist for a few years now, as I see an Independent Scotland as becoming clear of association with UK global warmongering and Unionist sectarianism.

Thankfully, as I stated earlier, even the most "tribal" areas of Glasgow have been transferring their allegiance the the SNP.

I think they have finally sussed   "the old divide and rule"

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: akenaton
Date: 14 May 11 - 11:25 AM

Some mair "Scotch"

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Jim McLean
Date: 14 May 11 - 12:57 PM

I agree with you Akenaton, I think Teribus hijacked the original intention of this thread for a bit of Scots bashing. I wrote a song called "Forget the Old Orange and Green" about 45 years ago and, with some dreadful exceptions, the people are listening.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Teribus
Date: 14 May 11 - 05:37 PM

"Sectarianism, especially in the west of Scotland is historic and was rooted in working class politics"

Utter bullshit.

"By the way, Alex Salmond has promised in his pre election manifesto, and repeated many times since, that a referendum will be called during the second half of his term in office."

Why the second half? Does he hope that his Party's incompetence in Government and the fact that the SNP cannot deliver on what it promised can be blamed on Westminster? He must take the population of Scotland to be complete and utter fools.

Interesting times ahead, I look forward to seeing what happens. Fact is Salmond has his working majority now - he cannot blame anyone else.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: akenaton
Date: 14 May 11 - 06:24 PM

The NEW COALITION of Auld Tories(Conservatives) and Rid Tories(Labour) are already at work in the media attempting to sabotage the political will of the Scottish electorate.

Mr Salmond and his team will need all their considerable strength to get the facts before the people of Scotland, when faced by the UK media machine and every Unionist Party
Alex is a shrewd operator and will choose his time , he now holds all the aces, but I fully expect warmonger Cameron to use all the dirty tricks at his disposal.

Would an invasion in the "national interest" be too far fetched?....we shall see. :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Teribus
Date: 15 May 11 - 03:39 AM

"Mr Salmond and his team will need all their considerable strength to get the facts before the people of Scotland"

Ehmm No Akenaton, what Mr Salmond and his team have to do over the next five years is govern Scotland and find ways of paying for all the things that they have promised the electorate but know they do not have the funds to implement. That will take considerable strength and skill which the SNP was sadly deficient in demonstrating during the term of the last Scottish Parliament. The tactic will be to say to the people of Scotland, "Sorry pal, we can't do these things because Westminster won't allow us to, they won't give us the money". Should Salmond get his tax raising powers watch two things happen stagnation and recession in Scotland and a virtual shut down of the North Sea.

"..an invasion in the "national interest" Ha bloody ha, who would he get to invade Scotland? Left to the "English" Akenaton Scotland would be cast adrift and independent tomorrow - it's the Scots who don't want Independence (now or in two and a half years time)

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: akenaton
Date: 15 May 11 - 05:20 AM

If the Union is so keen to cast Scotland adrift Teribus, why are Conservative, Labour, and Liberal Parties so intent on undermining the SNP and their bid to make Scotland a free nation once again?

They have been fighting the idea of Scottish Independence for decades and of late have been forced to give back more and more powers to the Scottish devolved government.

Unfortunately for you and other military minded Unionists, the days of colonialism and imperialism are over......wake up and smell the porage Teribus.....We're on the move, and there's nothing like a bit of Teribus on toast to start the day! :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Teribus
Date: 15 May 11 - 05:30 AM

We will see Akenaton come the referendum - If it ever actually takes place that is.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Allan Conn
Date: 15 May 11 - 06:02 AM

"Why the second half?"

Salmond has been absolutely open about it. In the election campaign he made it clear that if they were in a position to bring a referendum forward (which now for the first time they clearly are) then it would be in the second half of the parliament. So he is doing exactly what he said he would. Why the second half? That again seems pretty clear to me. Firstly he has openly stated that his initial objective is to strengthen the Scotland Bill. That is to bring more fiscal autonomy to Scotland. Seems sensible to hedge your bets. Secondly as you have pointed out generally a minority of Scots say they'd support independence. it normally amounts to about 30% or so - though of course that doesn't mean the other 70% all opppose it. The issue though has never been properly debated in either Holyrood or the Scottish media. Salmond no doubt wants time to put his arguments properly to the people and I dare say he thinks a proportion of those not supporting independence would be open to persuasion. I suspect he is right in that many Scots would favour it but have a fear of change! I suspect that unionist politicians know that too - hence we had the sight of unionists who had been actively blocking the referendum throughout the last 4 years of the minority SNP administration suddenly stating that the referendum 'must' be held straight away.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Allan Conn
Date: 15 May 11 - 06:13 AM

As someone has already stated it is now so much more than a Glasgow earthquake. Yes labour has lost it's automatic election in west-central Scotland - but the SNP are now truly a Scotland wide party. You used to mainly see the yellow shaded constituencies in the eastern Lowlands above the central belt but now they are strong virtually everywhere. Even in the four, for want of a better word, Borders constituencies, that is the three across the south plus Midlothian Tweeddale and lauderdale,then if you add the combined votes together the SNP are the most popular party. That would have been unthinkable just a few years ago. The Lib Dems may still have a hold on the northern isles but now taking the independents aside the Nats are clearly the party in second place there too.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Teribus
Date: 16 May 11 - 04:51 AM

So all they have to do now Allan is Govern and Govern successfully, although they daren't raise taxes as that will lose them votes and drive industry, commerce and investment away.

They have lots of "stuff" promised the electorate to pay for. They now have to find the money - They won't get it from Westminster and they won't get it from Europe.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: akenaton
Date: 16 May 11 - 05:41 AM

Keep wishing for the sky to fall Teribus.

That was Ian Greys plan....and look what happened to him. :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Allan Conn
Date: 16 May 11 - 04:22 PM

"So all they have to do now Allan is Govern and Govern successfully"

Well of course that is true but they already have been governing for 4 years. As to the finances well they are restricted to what the funding is - they can only decide where they direct it. So it depends on who the people of Scotland choose to blame for tightening purse strings. The Scottish Executive or a Tory government in Westminster actually controlling overall spending. I wouldn't think the Nats would necessarily take all the flak. I think it is a sensible option to look for more fiscal autonomy by strengthening the Scotland Bill first. We all know in the end that it is the people of Scotland who will decide if they go for actual independence or not. The Nats understand that. They are democrats. But I think whatever happens decentralisation will increase further.