The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 01:35 PM

Go suck a DachsiePop Hawk.............Wanna' race to 1500?

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 01:37 PM

Hi Peregrina, thanks for your response. My history is pretty shite I must admit (like most stuff!), yet I do recall that there was an increased fascination with all things 'folk' in the pre-war Nationalist movements. A whole political ideology was retrospectively constructed from the fantasy science and fairy tales these dudes were seeking out and telling themselves. Some kinda brilliant auto-hypnosis going on there. And so it looks, same is going on now with modern fascists (the 'Hollohoax'???). I read quite an interesting essay that Jung wrote some time back, about the phenomena of evoking primal cultural archetypes in relation to the German psyches inflation of psychological 'Shadow' during WWII. I know Jung is flawed, but it was thought provoking, and it strikes me that a similar phenomena is potentially ever-looming here too. But especially now.

I think what bothers me, is that neo-fascists may be appropriating a looooooong history of English tradition, to their own minimal reptillian amygdala inspired ends. Still gotta admit to loving an insane blast of Nietszcha now and then though. The 'sex and drugs and rock and roll of philosophy', but I do try to keep it to weekends only.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 01:46 PM

So...you think you can beat me there, do ya, Spaw? Eat my dust, sucker!

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 03:20 PM

Erckfeckles, fink I see why this threads hitting the high numbers...

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Smokey
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 06:09 PM

"'Nationalism is but one step away from racism and fascism,' (Smokey)...
it is to mis-led pro-immigrationists like you or, at least, you deliberately try to paint it that way, because you don't like immigration being questioned"

To be precise WaV, I don't like YOU questioning immigration on proven racist grounds, repeatedy and in the faces of people you know perfectly well it will offend, whose minds you know you will never change, and who are tolerant and generous enough to allow you to do it ad nauseam. That is a privilege, earned on your behalf by others, and with any privilege comes responsibility. You'd do well to try and understand that principle, because ultimately it is fools like you who cause the loss of such privileges for others in the real world outside your unpleasant little bubble. (I refer to 'privileges' rather than 'rights' as, sadly, we do not have a Bill of Rights in this country.)

"and, in saying that, you not only offend me

You honestly think I care? Go ahead and take offence - it may just make you think.

but all the many members of Plaid Cymru, the SNP, etc.

Why? I can't speak for the Good members of Plaid Cymru, but I know plenty of SNP voters - and quite a few of those are English. I doubt very much if I could find any who would agree with you on the issues under discussion here. I suspect you don't actually know what 'nationalism' means.

Nationalism with eco-travel and fair trade, rather than greedy imperialism and conquest, is NOT racist or fascist

I didn't say it is, I said it is one step away.

and, further more, I'm very sure it will make our world a more peaceful interesting place."

To achieve that, we need to do everything we can to render our 'national' boundaries unnecessary, not just build bigger walls with more restrictions. Your way would merely perpetuate the permanent state of war which the planet currently endures.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 08:51 PM

Good post there Smoke.....and now I'm off leaving Hawk far behind sucking my exhaust.......and it don't smell none too good.

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 08:52 PM

Upshift coming outta' that curve and full throttle towards 1500.

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 08:53 PM

I am rolling now man...........you're way back in the weeds Hawk............

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 08:54 PM

Turbos at full boost and we're just below redline..........I'm flyin' Hawk.........Can you hear me back there?

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 08:59 PM

Wicked up all the way.....really on it.............

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 10:16 PM

Man, you are one silly focker, Spaw. ;-) Okay, watch this!

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 10:16 PM

And this!

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 10:17 PM

Want to see it again?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Smokey
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 10:23 PM

Aw.. don't make them close the thread - I'd have to go back to beating the wife and kids..

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 10:37 PM

Not too late to start racin' Smoke....and you have the name for it too!!! Join in and catch up............So if the thread is closed..............Does it really matter? Maybe a JoeClone will just delete the stupid and silly posts like these........and all of WFWBR!!!

I'm on the gas and I got it too................

BBBRRRAAAAWWWWMMMPPP.........BBBRRRAAAAWWWWM

poit........ poit.....floop.......poit................

Can ya' dig the stench????



Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Smokey
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 10:44 PM

My nostrils are still choked up from 'Oh Come All Ye Faithful'.. It's enough to put the faithful off coming for life.. "Nostrils?" I hear you ask - well, my ears gave up after verse one.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 10:56 PM

Man, you are good, Spaw, but when it comes to really rank, I think Wavery Davy has you beat on this one. And that's goin' some!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 10:57 PM

LOL Smokey.....That really is a piece of shit work isn't it? No kidding, I couldn't believe my own ears. He has problems on all fronts but man that one song sums up his musical abilities..........Sums up.....thats' addition, right? Okay, so let's add up the good things.......................



















































..........uh............................it finally ended when I hit the back button? Does that count?

Okay..................let's forget it and go back to the race!

I'm back on the throttle, goin' up through the gears.............

Turn it on.....Wind it up...Blow it out....GTO

WAAAAH-WAH-WAH-WAAAAAH.................

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 10:59 PM

Sorry Don.....Almost missed your post......I got this baby really flyin'..........................But I think you're right!

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 12:22 AM

To dream...the impossible dream....

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 01:27 AM

And Spaw flies past on the inside.............

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Smokey
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 01:31 AM

Zzzzzzzzzrrrroooowwwwwwwww, he said, on his way to the Good land of Peaceful Slumber.....

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 01:33 AM

Hey-Hey-Hey------------------Ain't called "Smoke" for nothin' are ya'?

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Smokey
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 01:37 AM

"Zzzzzzzzzrrrroooowwwwwwwww,"

I hope you noted the implied Doppler effect.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 06:19 AM

Ruth: I'm an English repatriate, NOT an immigrant, and an English nationalist, not a British nationalist; I agree with our political parties, including the BNP, on some, not all, things - as you can tell from my previous posts or my website.
Minus any recording device, I can't prove that at interviews I've had to put up with "Why ON EARTH did you come back?", "You must be mad!", etc., but I can prove all my many attempts to get work, within an hour-and-a-half of public transport, as I keep the rejection/keep-you-on-file letters in order to keep track of who's who.

Sleepy Rosie: I hate imperialism - be it Nazi, Victorian, or any other; and love our world being multicultural - including English culture.

"But, as with racism, no doubt you've got your own personal definition of realism too..." (IB)...I'd never describe a recorder made in Japan as an "Engrish frute" (IB) or New Labour as "all mother fuckers" (IB) - that's for sure.

And I sped through the rest to...

THE WEEKLY WALKABOUT, E.G.

(Which, as it happens, relates to Olddudes last post.)

Poem 95 of 230: A GOOD LIFE

To fauna,
    Home-flora.
Sheep for wool -
    Fed till full.
Chooks for eggs -
    Free-range legs.
Milk from cows -
    Should well house:
Better grade
    Can be made.
Fish for game -
    Cut the pain.
Dogs for pets -
    No regrets.
And question
    Castration.

This does say
    Buddha's way,
And Blake's way:
    A good life -
For all life.

From walkaboutsverse.741.com

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 07:46 AM

I'd never describe a recorder made in Japan as an "Engrish frute" (IB) or New Labour as "all mother fuckers" (IB) - that's for sure.

If you must quote me at least get it right - the phrase was a bunch of mushy-mouthed mother-fuckers, which is merely my expressed opinion, unlike the inflammatory racist lies you publish and promote at every opportunity, or the further racist bullshit you come out with in its defence.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 09:31 AM

No English person I've ever known uses the word 'chooks'.

I agree with our political parties, including the BNP, on some, not all, things - as you can tell from my previous posts

That's quite a feat, considering that the BNP disagree vehemently with all the major political parties - and what we can tell from your previous posts is that you agree specifically with them.

Answer me this: what would your response be if a million English expats immigrated from Canada or Australia or Spain? Would you question their immigration? If not, why not?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 11:58 AM

I'm an English NOT a British nationalist, Pip; and an expat, in your above example, would be repatriating NOT emigrating.

IB - if you keep calling me a "racist" when all I've ever done is question the ACT OF IMMIGARATION ITSELF and NOT any particular culture, then I have to keep reminding how you told us of FRIENDS who make racist remarks at the pub, and that you referred to a recorder made in Japan as an "Engrish frute."

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Will Fly
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 12:20 PM

DF - let me remind you (yet again) of this phrase of yours:

this record amount of capitalist/economic immigration (perhaps hoping for the ethnic vote) that many citizens, and wildlife, are now going to pay for

The phrase "ethnic vote", in relation to immigration, has a clearly racist connotation. Got it now? It doesn't matter how much you obfuscate or try to put a spin on your beliefs, they are essentially racist - which is why you have been reviled on this forum.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 12:41 PM

IB - if you keep calling me a "racist" when all I've ever done is question the ACT OF IMMIGARATION ITSELF and NOT any particular culture, then I have to keep reminding how you told us of FRIENDS who make racist remarks at the pub

And as I've told you umpteen times, in the land of free speech & the guaranteed sanctity of self-expression no matter how misguided that self-expression may be they are entitled to say what they want for whatever reason; generally as a non-PC wind-up whilst in their cups. What they do not do is PUBLISH & PROMOTE & DEFEND overtly & inflammatory racist bullshit as you do, let alone agree with the policies of the BNP. As for the act of IMMIGARATION (sic) - the one particular culture you are constantly banging on about is ENGLISH culture - at least your rather perverted anti-utopian vision of same; this whiter-than-white-more-English-than-it-is-now fantasy which in the context of the cultural & ethnic landscape of England in 2008 is one of the things that marks you out as a racist.

If you weren't a racist, you'd see things very differently believe you me. Only a racist would trouble over the fecking half.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 12:45 PM

Remember, Spaw, it only takes 1 post to win it. Quality, my man, not quantity!

racist - someone who hates other people merely because of what racial type they belong to.

People, I don't think WAV's views on immigration and/or cultural crossover have any bearing on that whatsoever, therefore it is incorrect to call him a "racist", no matter how much it satisfies your inner need to prove to yourselves and everyone else here that he's a very bad person. You're using the wrong word.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 04:13 PM

David, I told a couple of friends of mine about how you have picked up on the expression "Engrish Frute" (originally part of a joke, and I also told them the context of the expression), and that you keep throwing it back, implying that it is some kind of racist slur or epithet. They both agreed that a) it was not racist in any way, and that b) in the context of the joke, it is pretty funny. But that you are attempting to turn it into a racist slur. So David, my boy, the egg is on your chin.

They also agreed that if this was the best you could do by way of attempting to justify your own blatant bigotry, then you really don't have much.

Both of them are long-time friends of mine. One's name is John Matsumoto and the other's name is Teri Honda (she's no relation to the auto manufacturer, or if so, only very distantly).

So, David, take that and shove it up your "Engrish frute!" (That, by the way, is what John suggested I tell you to do.)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Smokey
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 04:19 PM

"I'm an English NOT a British nationalist"

So WaV, that means you're more restrictive in your sense of nationalism than the BNP. That's some claim pal.. although in a way I have to admire you for publicly nailing your colours to the mast and not being ashamed of your political beliefs - even to the point of actively publicising your own image and telling everyone where they can find you. That's more than most BNP members dare do. You also believe that your proposed barriers should apply to the Welsh and the Scots - though presumably in the belief that it would be beneficial to them? How nice - I'm sure they'll be eternally grateful to you. I hope you have a good explanation ready for them, even though you don't seem to be willing to give us one.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 04:41 PM

You? Are ginna try to tell me where I can and canna' live?   I dinna think so!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 04:48 PM

We have Scottish nationalists. We have Quebecois nationalists. We have Basque nationalists.   Why then should we not have English nationalists? ;-) Do the English not rate as having a unique culture because they have been too successful at conquering others in the last millenium? How does it equate to being "racist"? Racism is the hatred of a specific racial type regardless of culture, not the exclusive promotion or defence of a local or national culture.

I am reminded of a parrot and a minah bird squawking at one another from separate cages...

"You're a racist! Squawk!"

"Liar! You're the racist! Squack!"

"Shut up, you feathered racist! Squawk!"

"Pipe down, you avian racist! Squawk!"

Ad infinitum......

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 04:53 PM

Whoo Hoo! Great picture in that last link, Don. By God, it makes me want to pull out my mighty claymore and cleave some vile Englishmen in twain.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 05:02 PM

No, Will - I haven't criticized or knocked (as some others on this thread have: Don, IB, "Engrish frute") any particular ethnicity...once again, it's the questioning of immigration itself.
Smokey - I don't like imperialism and monarchism and see my country as England only; and, as I also think that nationalism with eco-travel and fair-trade (via a stronger UN) is a good way forward for humanity, I am indeed an English nationalist, who wishes Plaid Cymru and the SNP well with their DEMOCRATIC bids for full independence.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Smokey
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 05:04 PM

Ah Don.. I suspect your Japanese friends aren't proper Japanese nationalists, otherwise they'd have been deeply offended - it stands to reason. You are bratantry ditheminating lacist plopaganda.

"nationalism with eco-travel and fair-trade"

Hitler liked bunny-rabbits - does that make nazism okay?

Subject: RE: thoughts on construction of identity
From: peregrina
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 05:08 PM

As I've said in this thread before, the first important phase of european folk lore collection is associated with romantic nationalism (the Grimms, Elias Lonnrot, Herder, Fichte). Ideological uses (and misuses) of folk music would be a nice subject for another thread.

I find it intriguing that the focus here is ENGLISH rather than, say, Lincolnshire, Lancashire, Yorkshire or Northumbrian regional ra-ra-ing.

It seems to me that an English identity is oppositional, and is sharpened by the need for definition AGAINST those over a border (to Scotland or Wales). It is, in other words, self definition that is negatively constructed AGAINST a non-English OTHER.

Whereas a regional area identity is far more 'real' in the sense of being associated with specific regional dialect, food, field and farming traditions, vernacular architecture and so forth.

Honestly, I'm not sure why I am bothering to post coherent thoughts here in the middle of a playground name-calling mob.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 05:10 PM

"Hitler liked bunny-rabbits - does that make nazism okay?"

No, it simply indicates that being a Nazi was not Hitler's only defining characteristic. This is always important to remember when dealing with other human beings. They are neither as bad as you might like them to be (for the sake of your argument)...nor as good as you might want them to be.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Smokey
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 05:18 PM

LH - I don't think nationalism is WaV's only defining characteristic - and I have no real idea how good or bad he is. I just don't like what he says.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 05:23 PM

Yes, I understand that. What I was really objecting to was the use of a common rhetorical device (and a very popular one), that of pulling Hitler or the Nazis out of your hat while disagreeing with another person over some political point, thus equating them with the most awful stereotype possible in our present culture. I've probably done that myself, mind you, but I think it's being done far too often.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Smokey
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 05:30 PM

Take your point LH, but I fear subtlety may be wasted on some - I was specifically aiming the question at WaV - possibly the wrong etiquette here. If so, I apologise.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 05:31 PM

racist - someone who hates other people merely because of what racial type they belong to.

No. Here's the Oxford English Dictionary definition of racism (again):

"The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. Hence: prejudice and antagonism towards people of other races, especially those felt to be a threat to one's cultural or racial integrity or economic well-being; the expression of such prejudice in words or actions. Also occasionally in extended use, with reference to people of other nationalities."

Look at the part after 'Hence'. WAV doesn't hate people from other cultures - nobody's ever said he does. He just believes they pose a threat to English culture and wants to discriminate against them, by stopping them coming here.

As I've said before, we don't say he's a racist because we believe immigration can never be questioned; we say he's a racist because he questions immigration on racist grounds. Earlier on today, I asked him:

what would your response be if a million English expats immigrated from Canada or Australia or Spain? Would you question their immigration? If not, why not?

He replied: "an expat, in your above example, would be repatriating NOT emigrating"

Now, if a million Canadian expats arrived in England tomorrow, they'd cause a lot of social upheaval. They'd want to work, which would tend to drive wages down; they'd need somewhere to live, which would tend to make housing that bit harder to find; and they'd want to stay healthy, which would mean that doctors' waiting lists got longer. Anyone who 'questioned immigration' on economic or political grounds would question it just the same in the case of returning expats - because, in economic and political terms, returning expats have exactly the same effect as new immigrants. But, in WAV-world, a million English-born incomers wouldn't even qualify as immigration.

Let's try a different example. According to the 2001 Census, there are 400,000 British citizens who give their ethnicity as Indian and their religion as Muslim or Sikh. Let's say that about half of them were born in Britain (almost certainly an underestimate). Let's suppose that half of those people get tired of living in Britain and emigrate to India, land of their forefathers. Ten or twenty years down the line, let's suppose that there's a massive revival in Hindu fundamentalism in India; suddenly it's a bad place to be a Muslim or a Sikh. Our 100,000 British-born Indian Sikhs and Muslims dust off their British passports, pack their bags and get the next plane for tolerant old England.

So, WAV: what would your response be if 100,000 British-born Indian Sikhs and Muslims immigrated to England? Would you question their immigration?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 05:39 PM

...and I have to state the fact again that I hate imperialism - be it Nazi, Victorian or any other; and, accordingly, do indeed love our world being multicultural; and do, accordingly, probably know and respect the world's cultures as well as anyone here (major in anthropology, 40 countries, etc.); and, accordingly, have here at least tried to defend the land rights of Aborigines, etc.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Smokey
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 05:47 PM

Oo look - he hates imperialism and loves the world being multicultural. Why ever didn't you mention that before WaV?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 05:53 PM

I see that he is being defensive about what he perceives as "English" culture, Pip, and there is indeed such a thing as English culture, and I suspect that most English people are somewhat sensitive or defensive about it in a variety of ways. It would be very surprising if they were not, because all people tend to naturally defend their own familiar cultural values and they experience some anxiety when seeing those cultural values watered down or subjected to outside influence.

That does not equate to being racist.

It's a matter of degree.

Why not just say that you disagree with his views on immigration, and explain how you disagree? What use is it to label him or his views "racist"? There is no defence any human being can advance against an accusation of racism in the present milieu, anymore than there once was any defence against an accusation of witchcraft.

Wait until someone calls you a racist, and you will find out that what I am saying in that regard is true.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: peregrina
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 06:09 PM

Smokey, name-calling doesn't really advance the discussion. I'm trying to make things a bit more interesting by bringing in some points of content about the topic rather than labelling. Please join me. I would like to know what you think about the subject rather than the person.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: GUEST,Smokey
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 06:48 PM

"Smokey, name-calling doesn't really advance the discussion."

You're right, P, but after a while on here the temptation is sometimes just too great. I completely approve of your efforts, but which subject? I'm now off out for a few hours, so don't think I'm being ignorant.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout (part 2.)
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 07:23 PM

"The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. Hence: prejudice and antagonism towards people of other races, especially those felt to be a threat to one's cultural or racial integrity or economic well-being; the expression of such prejudice in words or actions. Also occasionally in extended use, with reference to people of other nationalities."

Game, set, and match.

Don Firth