'5000 Morris Dancers'

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 02:30 PM

"If this thread makes 5000 that's one for each morris dancer" (Stu)...4 years, yet!

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,Don Firth (computer, etc.)
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 01:07 PM

At which point, this thread will implode into a black hole.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: s&r
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 01:06 PM

If this thread makes 5000 that's one for each morris dancer

Stu

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,baz parkes
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 12:20 PM

Can you believe 400?:-)

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 12:09 PM

...I've enjoyed listening to some reggae, Pip, but I only practise and perform English songs and hymns...and maybe one day I'll have a go at some of our composer's songs, RVW, e.g.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,Don Firth (computer, etc.)
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 12:08 PM

". . . your link is not funny."

Depends on your viewpoint, WAV. I can certainly imagine the mindset of someone who would not consider it funny. As you, apparently did not.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 05:55 AM

my understanding is that reggae is what has become the mainstream music of the Caribbean, used, e.g., by Rastafarians, such as Bob Marley - "movement of the people" - to promote their belief in a return to Africa

So should {say} English reggae bands continue to play English reggae?

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 16 Sep 08 - 05:42 AM

Don: your link is not funny - I think you should stick to being a man of letters; and, for what it's worth, I got on okay with Americans of various origins during my visits there (see, if you wish, poems 32, 33, 37, 38, 40, 41).
Stu - I've participated, as an amateur, in a couple of those 10 by 10 gigs, which went okay, in just-about-packed venues. And my understanding is that reggae is what has become the mainstream music of the Caribbean, used, e.g., by Rastafarians, such as Bob Marley - "movement of the people" - to promote their belief in a return to Africa. And this music is not to be confused, either, with the indigenous music of the Caribs - a chief of whom has recently made international news in his attempts to save the good culture of his people.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 02:55 PM

Prejudice and antagonism are different things.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: s&r
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 02:44 PM

So should {say} English reggae bands continue to play English reggae?

Stu

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,Don Firth (computer, etc.)
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 02:44 PM

Without further comment.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: s&r
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 02:33 PM

What's wrong with 'refresh'?

Stu

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: s&r
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 02:30 PM

Sorry WAV = didn't spot it's a two year old advert - how did it go?

Stu

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 12:51 PM

Dear Spaw, WR, S&R, R: you forget about assimilation; yes the EU should be dissolved - apart from some local/county government, all any given national needs is his/her nation and the UN; I've never just put "refresh" - although I will keep posting my "Weekly Walkabout" in the BS section, even if no-one responds; and I've never advertised a gig/mini-gig, such as the one from way back that Stu just took the liberty of posting (very respectful to all concerned, Stu?).
Baz - sounds good...what herbs would you recommend...parsley, sage, rosemary, thyme?

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: catspaw49
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 07:34 AM

I wish I lived there.......I wouldn't miss the chance to point out in public that Wavy Dude is a racist, prejudiced, broke-dick, piece of ...........

Spaw

PS....As far as responding to this Dork, he's enjoying it but then again, so are a lot of others in calling his sorry as out. Mudcatters love to talk too much for that to be effective. If this entire group stops posting, he'll simply refresh his threads himself until someone new comes along and bites. Gervase is right but I've never seen it work here. I'd point out btw that one Gervase cannot be equaled by the posts of a million Wavytoids.......not an opinion...a fact.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: s&r
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 06:25 AM

Just for interest:

"Come along to the Bridge Hotel in Newcastle to see ten top performers with spoken words, words set to music, words shared between people, words on walls, words in songs, words in poetry, words in stories… each of the ten performers has ten minutes to engage you, thrill you, entrance you and hopefully inspire you. The first Ten By Ten night kicks off at the Bridge Hotel and will be hosted by Stand Up comedian and poetry diva Kate Fox. We have a fantastic line up for the first Ten by Ten; we have top poets, new poets, singer songwriters, poets putting words to music, published poets, unsigned poets. It's going to be FABULOUS. The performers will be David Franks, Ian Watson, Kyla Clay Fox, John Cartmel-Crossley, John Quinn, The Plexus (featuring Karl Thompson and Ralph Stokes), Scott Tyrrell, Sheree Mack, Simma and Valerie Apted."

So if you want to be engaged and thrilled...

Stu

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,baz parkes
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 06:24 AM

Ralphie

"English stock"

I onion, 1 stick celery 1 carrot, 1 bunch herbs

Simmer

or all of above with abunch of old bones:-)

Gastronomically yours

Baz

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: mandotim
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 06:16 AM

Dear Mudcatters; every time we reply to this racist troll, he thinks we are replying because we think his views are profound enough to warrant argument. He gets a thrill from all the attention. (I'm as guilty as anyone in this respect, I've fed him plenty over the last few months.) Please don't feed him any more; perhaps being ignored might convince him to at least moderate his views. I fear, however, that the poetry won't improve.
Tim

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 06:04 AM

So WAV.
The UK shouldn't be members of the EU Either?
I don't know, all these pesky Europeans living in "our" country, quite legally, for as long as they want to.
Marrying and inseminating our Fair English Maidens, with the consequence of further diluting our proud English stock.
(BTW, You've singularly failed to define what English stock is, haven't you?)
Culturally pure? Don't make me laugh.
The British are a bunch of mongrels, and proud of it.
And apart from a few racist weirdos in the BNP, most of us welcome the diversity that multi-culturalism presents to us.
If you don't like how we do things here, go back to being a "respectful tourist" somewhere else.
The whole point of being English is having the ability not to be bothered as to what it is.
Some of my Muslim, Jewish, Polaish, etc friends, are more English than you.
WAV=Racist?
I'll ask the audience Chris.
The answer ......99% YES.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: s&r
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 05:57 AM

If we had no immigration from now on WAV would you consider that the people born in England had the right to play Bangra or Reggae or rap or hip hop as English music? And play it on sitars, mbiras bouzoukis or other recently adopted English instruments? When do the "New English" become English in your definition.

Stu

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,Working Radish
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 05:31 AM

I've read it, WAV, many times.

Is it 'false' to say that you would like England to be culturally pure? A Yes or a No will suffice.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 04:54 AM

That's false and defamatory, WR - READ what I just posted.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,Working Radish
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 04:50 AM

"prejudice and antagonism towards people of other races" (Oxford English Dictionary, via Pip)...and I clearly do NOT have such

WAV, you want non-English people to stay out of England, because you think England should be culturally pure ("trying to have a multiple number of cultures living under the one state law will always be problematic"). I'd say that's a pretty prejudicial view of non-English people, not to mention antagonistic towards any non-English people who might want to come here.

I don't mind if you say - at the moment, you definitely question immigration more than most

At the moment, you definitely question immigration on racist grounds.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 Sep 08 - 04:28 AM

"prejudice and antagonism towards people of other races" (Oxford English Dictionary, via Pip)...and I clearly do NOT have such - I've only questioned the act/amount of immigration itself, and HAVE enjoyed temporarily being among many other ethnicities on my travels, as a respectful tourist. E.g., if you look back, you'll see I've questioned people from my own country, England, pricing young Spanish couples out of the property market there, rather than just VISITING as respectful tourists. I'm probably one of the least racist people in the world, and I genuinely believe the world would be a better more-peaceful place if the UN made economic/capitalist (NOT all) immigration/emigration illegal FROM NOW ON.
"if you want to live in England you're going to have to get used to the way we do things here" (Pip)...that's a silly generalisation, as the degree to which people in England question (the amount of) immigration varies greatly. I don't mind if you say - at the moment, you definitely question immigration more than most...but calling me a "racist", again, is false and defamatory.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,Don Firth (computer, etc.)
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 10:49 PM

Not at all arrogant, WAV. Just striving to be helpful, as ever. Good that you are already in such a group.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 05:58 PM

Gervase - that's false and defamatory: I've only questioned the act of immigration itself. Racism is where someone says something like "they are all like this or that", which I have never done.

Look, David, if you want to live in England you're going to have to get used to the way we do things here. One of the things we emphatically don't do, and haven't done for many years, is define racism as narrowly as you do. The prevailing definition of racism, here in England in 2008, is quite well summed up by the Oxford English Dictionary:

prejudice and antagonism towards people of other races, esp. those felt to be a threat to one's cultural or racial integrity or economic well-being; the expression of such prejudice in words or actions/i>

If you accept that definition - and, I repeat, it is very generally accepted, here in England - then it's not at all surprising that you're being charged with racism. By that definition, your views are racist. If you don't want people to think you're a racist, you need to change your views.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 05:31 PM

"I might suggest that you seek out a similar group where you are." (Don)...you've assumed things again, which some say is a sign of arrogance - I do, in fact, attend something similar: a poetry club, where we read and discuss poems, including our own.
Gervase - that's false and defamatory: I've only questioned the act of immigration itself. Racism is where someone says something like "they are all like this or that", which I have never done.
And have you moved back to England, Dick?

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 04:51 PM

Dick Miles will be appearing at Swinton folkclub,WhiteLion sept 15 2008.
thread drift but to my mind a little more interesting.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: Gervase
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 04:48 PM

Please, this inane, witless and racist troll has been fed for long enough - whatever you post will only evince an equally thick-skinned and shameless reply, so maybe it's time to let it drop and ponder on the last time an internet forum thread ever caused someone to change the mind.
Step away from the computer and put down the mouse..

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,Don Firth (computer, etc.)
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 02:41 PM

Well, actually, WAV, the writers' group I belong to meets in a few minutes and I'm assembling my material and preparing to answer the door when they begin to arrive. The purpose of the group is mutual support and criticism, that sort of thing. Several of us are published; sold things to magazines, journals, two of us have books published and are receiving royalies therefrom.

I find the group very stimulating and helpful. I might suggest that you seek out a similar group where you are.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 02:16 PM

...not sure where you are going Don, but I'm staying here in the land of all my known forebears, where I was born the day Alf Ramsey's English team won the World Cup of football, etc..

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,Don Firth (I get my computer back this week)
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 01:04 PM

Yeah, probably the best idea. I have visions of some gink standing on a soap box spouting off with no one listening except a few passing sqirrels and pigeons.

Don Firth (WAVing goodbye)

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: romany man
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 12:37 PM

AT last sense appears on the thread, ifn you dont reply perhaps itll go away, either that or keep replying to him and biting on his views, just feeds the demogog

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 12:24 PM

So, even though I only use peaceful democratic means to at least try and change aspects of the status quo, you say: "GO BACK TO AUSTRALIA. WE DON"T WANT YOU HERE ANYMORE."...that quote says a lot about you, Ralphie.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 07:03 AM

WAV.

GO BACK TO AUSTRALIA. WE DON"T WANT YOU HERE ANYMORE.
YOU ARE A TROLL.
WHICH OF THESE WORDS DON"T YOU UNDERSTAND?

sorry for shouting....
Actually.....no I'm not....
It's all he deserves....

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 04:54 AM

I think the best thing to do is to ignore you.

Despite my earlier pronouncements in this regard, I think perhaps this might be the best course of action after all.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 04:47 AM

No - I'm genuinely heavily against the status quo, and have tried to do something about it, with limited means. Sometimes on forums I get criticised for being dull and repetative, other times too colourful in my language. But, frankly, yes, for the above reasons, I do want a lot of people to read my life's work.
By the way, just listened to Bryn Terfel on "The Andrew Marr Show" talking about his Proms performance last night...for what it's worth, I thought he was in good voice, but his attempts to keep the kingdom united with his flag-hankies were ridiculous.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,EricTheOrange
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 03:17 AM

Well done WAV I cannot believe that I've been so dense!

The weird world view, delusions of grandeur, the bad 'poetry', the ignorance, the constant posting of objectionable views. To quote those wise sages McFly, it's all about you. You obviously get off on the attention the sh*te you come up with generates pumping up what must be a pretty poor self-image. You're just like a small child trying anything they can to say "look at me!look at me!"

I think the best thing to do is to ignore you.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 14 Sep 08 - 01:18 AM

There I was
Digging this hole
Hole in the ground
So big and sort of round it was
It's not there now
The grounds all flat
And beneath it is the bloke in the bowler hat......


......And that's that.

(Bernard Cribbins)

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,Don Firth (computer still in the shop)
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 07:10 PM

I'm tempted at this point to paraphrase Lloyd Benson's comment to Dan Quayle in their debate some time back.

Clicky.

Nah. Too easy. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: mandotim
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 05:54 PM

Again, straight question; which of Gandhi's achievements do you see yourself emulating? After all, it was you who first made the comparison. Straight answer please, and no referral to your websites. Lets have some original thinking.
Tim

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 05:00 PM

Dital Harp

Saw one of these bizarre monstrous hybrids in the Walker Art Gallery in Liverpool today; described Here as '...essentially a cross between a harp and a guitar. They were fashionable for a short period after the instrument was patented in 1816.' Another essential slab of English culture!

I'm certainly not the English Gandhi

Ghandi was racist too - see here. A super-calloused-fragile-mystic-hexed-by-halitosis...

at this stage...

You really ought to write a book on modesty, WAV.

but as he kept spinning his Indian wheel, so shall I keep playing my English flute

The recorder was a continental European innovation for the baroque orchestra, called English to differentiate it from the transverse or German flute, and reaching its apotheosis as virtuoso solo instrument in concertos by Marcello et al. Not only this, but it was revived as an Early Music instrument in the early 20th century by Dolmetsch. So not actually an English flute any more than a Cor Anglais is an English horn; and not in the least bit traditional, continuous, or even appropriate to folk music in any shape or form, and certainly not according to your own rather limited remit. A foreign import in every sense. But you've been told this before...

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 03:53 PM

...that "p.s." is subjective, Eric: someone who is as, or perhaps more, critical of me on the matters you just mentioned has enjoyed at least some of my music - see just above.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,EricTheOrange
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 03:39 PM

The sad thing is WAV that if you took your head out of your arse you'd find that learning about England today can be an uplifting journey.

All countries have their problems, and that's no different here, but there is such a rich diversity in this land, layer upon layer of cultural riches, that you could spend a lifetime exploring and savouring what is out there. Sadly while you persist in living out your delusions you're missing the vibrant reality.

You are however to be congratulated on one point. Such is the diversity of people and culture through this land, every county has different traditions and cultural strengths. Every city, every town, even every village, have their own slightly different version of 'Englishness' to experience, thousands and thousands of variations making a wonderful collective tapestry. I take my hat off to you that you've managed to come up with a version that nobody else seems to recognise.

ETO


p.s. After experiencing some of your 'artistic' offerings I feel the question has to be asked of course, did you choose to come back from Aus or did they send you back????? Our loss is their gain ;-)

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 03:22 PM

If I was deluding myself, rather than being realistic, Tim, I'd say I was a very popular repat.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: GUEST,Don Firth (computer still in the shop)
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 03:15 PM

Apply passive resistence in order to throw the Norman conquerors out?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: mandotim
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 02:33 PM

You say you're not the English Ghandi at this stage; does that mean you see yourself as the English Ghandi at some point in the future? Which of Ghandi's achievements do you see yourself emulating eventually? I'm interested, I'd like to know the extent of your delusional state.
Tim

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 12:20 PM

Actually, Spaw, I spent my afternoon watching, via satellite from Scotland, not "Horsehockey" but the 100th Shinty Cup, in which Fort William beat Kingussie 2-1 - whilst going through my repertoire of English hymns on both keyboards and English flute. And herein lies another example of what I mean by appreciating other cultures but practising/performing one's own.

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 09:38 AM

And here I was thinking Cowpatty was another name for your ramblings. Or is Horsehockey better? Why not just use Complete Crap which seems to be the prevailing opinion around Mudcat.............

I think this is one of yours too....At least it seems to be exactly the same type of Cowpatty you write........

I am Walksabout and I sometimes go
To my garden to pick something that rhymes with go
So I pick some beans...no make it oregano and basil.
While there I scatter seeds for the birds
But they cover me over with their tiny turds.
       ........Walksaboutverse 7.56.93491/3395.33(5933)/7459275844.1


Spaw

Subject: RE: '5000 Morris Dancers'
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 13 Sep 08 - 07:42 AM

True, Stu - mopping-up the dahl and rice with a bit of "cowpatty" or Mumbai's beach would not be a good idea...even if they were washed down with a nice hot chai, or a nice cool lassi.
And, by the way IB, who knows, maybe one day I will get to play the English flute for my "local Morris (or rapper) side"..?