BS: Slavery still active-

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: GUEST,999
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 08:49 AM

'"Are you really claiming that you didn't defend Bluesman's racist diatribe on the basis of his right to speak his mind on Mudcat?"'

Gentlemen, 'his right to speak his mind': WHAT mind. He's pulling your strings and y'all are dancing to the tune. Turd--that's my reference for this so-called Bluesman--is a puppet master. He's a very sick individual involved with other very sick individuals. Within a short time relatively speaking, you guys have forgot about Turd and the Travellers; now, it's about YOU. He said--NO, HE said--NO, HE SAID--AHHHHHHHHHH!

For krissake, get your collective heads OUT of yer arses and ignore the sonuvabitch. If Turd spews racist crap on the thread, well, he spews racist crap on the thread. Makes him look like the trash he is. But when w'all get Hoovered into it, basically, we look like idiots, to.

Fossil is jumping up and down in the BS section stating that this is a music site and demanding to be Mudcat's editor-in-chief, but you guys are all right--some divinely appointed right I suppose--and Turd is having a good chuckle.

TRY this: don't post to this thread again. Turd will have to post even if only to get the last word. Then figure he'll be the naked guy at the party, all by himself on the thread talking all on his lonesome. Now an then you could come back and read what Turd writes and scratch yer heads at the guy's ability to think anyone really cares about what he says. Turd has played this like a fine fiddle. Time to close the door on him. Click.

Eventually he'll go back to his dancing and his friends. imo.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 08:36 AM

In truth Jim, you never hear anyone say - oh a gypsy camp has set up locally - that will make a refreshing change to the cultural mix round here. I wonder whether we'll be regaled with the folksongs of John Reilly or the guitar of Django Rheinhardt?

People's comments tend to be more in line with the stuff on this thread. No doubt unfair to the broad mass of travellers, but cussing at folk and calling them racist isn't going to change perceptions, is it?

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 08:33 AM

I did not and do not "defend Bluesman's racist diatribe"
It was a lie to say I did.

The rules of Mudcat and the rights of Guests are nothing to do with me.
I used to advocate members only below the line.
I now leave it to those good souls who run things for us, but

I did not and do not "defend Bluesman's racist diatribe"
It was a lie to say I did.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 08:18 AM

"Here is the whole post."
Which makes not the slightest difference whatever to what I have said - you are defending the right of a racist to use this forum as a platform for racism - and it makes no odds whatever that the thread was closed - the racist vomit was the very reason it was closed.
I can't help but notice that you have put up a strong opposition to those who have complained of the tone of this thread and have demanded that the posters "rights to free speech" be curtailed - see "Please close this toxic thread" - what have you got against those of us who object to racism.
"Retract or apologise" my arse - you have just confirmed your defence of racist ranters.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 08:11 AM

Also from me (this thread.)
I do not "defend Bluesman's racist diatribe"
You lie.

"Jim, I am with you in deploring the use of pejorative names for this or other minorities.
Bluesman, your abusive language makes decent people unwilling to offer their views.

I again deplore Bluesman's abusive language

Jim, Bluesman's nastiness aside, this is a serious issue that members will naturally want to discuss.

Keep my name out of your posts Bluesman.
We have nothing in common."

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 08:02 AM

Here is the whole post.
I do not "defend Bluesman's racist diatribe"

Subject: RE: BS: Dale Farm Traveller Evictions
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 04 Sep 11 - 05:19 AM

Jim,
"And still no comment on the legality of Bluesman's goose-stepping racist diatribes - or doesn't your insistence that the law be upheld cover racism?"

I love being a member of Mudcat.
The nice guy who provides it for us asks little of us in return.
We can express any view we like, but must not pass judgement on each other.
I intend to keep to Max's rule.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 07:55 AM

Pedantry, Richard ~~ I should not, thou wouldst not, he would not...

Probably an obsolescent rule, [Fowler had much to say about it] ~~ but you surely will realise the difference between 'I should not' [conditional] & 'I should not [= 'it ill becomes me to do so'.]

Bet I can out-pedant you any time you choose, matey! My pedantry, as a correspondent remarked on another forum, is 'legendary'.

~M~

In fact, I don't think I am actually a pedant in any meaningful sense: I simply aim to operate on the principle that accuracy matters.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 07:42 AM

That comes from an old closed thread and dates from before my first post on this thread.

"Are you really claiming that you didn't defend Bluesman's racist diatribe on the basis of his right to speak his mind on Mudcat?"

Yes, I really am.
Produce or retract please.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 07:19 AM

"We can express any view we like, but must not pass judgement on each other. I intend to keep to Max's rule."
"The rule is that members can say what they like on any issue, but not pass judgement on each other."

In other words - anybody can give forth with a racist diatribe (and there can be no argument to the fact that this is exactly what Bluesman's contributions are), yet we mustn't describe it as such.
This is hiding behind a non-existant rule-book to allow a racist to use this forum as a platform
I realise there are pracical problems in preventing Bluesman and his ilk using Mudcat in such a manner, but this does not mean we can't tell it for what it is - you seem to believe that we should sit on our hands.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 06:18 AM

Jon, the post to Don was about someone else's explanation for the over-rep.
I accepted it but never put it up as my own opinion.

I did have an opinion about the over-rep.
We agree on it.
I did not and do not care what its explanation is.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 06:14 AM

"Are you really claiming that you didn't defend Bluesman's racist diatribe on the basis of his right to speak his mind on Mudcat?"

Yes, I am.
Produce or retract please.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 06:10 AM

And just to answer that one, Kieth,

I think I said I was prepared to accept there was an over representation in certain cities in the North of England.

This does not mean (not can be twisted by you) that I have at any point believed that such a finding could be safely extrapolated to produce your (but not yours) "Don I do now " believe that all male Pakistani Muslims have a culturally implanted tendency".

My argument was that it can not be.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 06:09 AM

sORRY - CROSS-POSTED
"shooting the messenger."
Mike,
Please do not adopt Keith's "I only said it because an "expert" told me it was true" - you're better than that.
Keith's "cultural flaw" allegations were based on an unfounded opinion, and even then, exaggerated into something out of all proportion to even that single dredged-up quot - which he dragged on through a stomach-heavingly long and sickening thread - evidence enough for me to his devotian to his "little weakness".
Keith presented the statement as "his belief", then spent virtually the rest of the thread distancing himself from it by claiming it to have been said by "others" (note the plural) - this was blatanty untrue - it was a distortion of a single unsubstantiated opinion by an obsucre (and proven off-the-wall) politician.
The same goes for his "massive" and "massive-massive over-representation". which again, was all his own work - nobody anywhere went to those lengths to denigrate a whole ethnic community
You accuse me of obsession where Keith is concerned - I don't know him - my antipathy to him is based on his ideas, and the lenghts (occasionally openly dishonest) to which he preapared to go to put them across.
Yes - I am possibly somewhat over-occupied with racism - if I am thirty years of encountering it in London, almost on a working-daily basis has made me so.
I make no apologies for that.
My attitude to racism towards Travellers speaks for itself - these "Pikey scum" include not only some of those from whom I got my love of song, but also were personal friends who I consider myself lucky to have known.
Both Keith and I appear to agree that it is an important subject - unfortunately we seem to be on the opposite sides of the fence on the matter.
Can't help but notice he has yet to explain his "Traveller over-representation in slavery remark - probably looking for an "expert" to pin it on as we speak.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 06:05 AM

here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2037998/Polygamy-welfare-benefits-insidious-silence.html

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: GUEST, Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 05:55 AM

M the GM - as a card carrying pedant you should know better. Of course you should not defend such a tendency. The issue is whether you would.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 05:42 AM

CAMERON URGED TO DELAY DALE FARM'S MONDAY EVICTIONS
Haven't got round to The Times yet, but this from The Irish Times this morning.
It seems that the United Nations' committee on Human Rights isn't the only group to be disturbeb by Britain's behaviour in this matter

MARK HENNESSY
London Editor
MEMBERS OF the House of Commons and the House of Lords have appealed to the prime minister, David Cameron, and Basildon Borough Council to postpone Mon-, day's eviction of several hundred Irish Travellers from a campsite outside the Essex town.
In a letter sent last night, the chairman of the All-Party Parliamentary Group for Gypsies, Roma and Travellers said a postponement would allow for "the bro¬kerage of a solution which we believe is achievable".
The evictions are due to begin at 8am, though eight of the 80 families believed to live on the illegal section of the Dale Farm site have already left in the last two days, taking their caravans and mobile
homes with them.
Urging a last-minute reprieve, the chairman of the all-party , group, Liberal Democrat MP Andrew George, said the crisis is "of national significance in Britain" and not just a local matter. A solution can be found that would restore the part of Dale Farm illegally developed on greenbelt land, offer a temporary site elsewhere for those who have to move and offer time for the Travellers "to secure alternative and culturally appropriate accommodation", he said.
"If it is successful, as we believe it would be, it would save public money, allow the illegally occupied portion of the site to be restored [to its original condition] and be more humane to those Traveller families who are now on the cusp of eviction." Such a compromise would protect up to £18 million of "scarce public funds" put aside by the Home Office, Essex Constabulary and Basildon council, who have already laid a temporary road across a field and erected fencing.
It would be "more beneficial" for the settled community who may "otherwise have their lives considerably disrupted if homeless Travellers are given little alternative than to set up unauthorised encampments and sites in the area". It would also "be signifi-cantly more humane for the Dale Farm residents, especially those who are vulnerable and who are currently living in extreme anxiety, which is contributing to worsening health and other problems", said Mr George.
The council is setting up a holding area where mobile homes will be kept, but all of the Travellers at Dale Farm must leave during the evacuation. A number of elderly and ailing Travellers living on the illegal section have been given permission, it is understood, by those who own plots in the mostly unoccupied legal part, to occupy their sites temporarily.
In a letter to council chairman Concillor Tony Ball, the Westminster parliamentary group acknowledged he had worked tirelessly for "an effective and lasting solution" for years. However, a last-minute compromise is unlikely. Last night Mr Ball wrote to the Travellers, urging them not to resist the bailiffs when they arrive.

"That is a lie Jim, and it is the second time you have told it."
Are you really claiming that you didn't defend Bluesman's racist diatribe on the basis of his right to speak his mind on Mudcat?
It was virtually our first head-to-head on this subject - I think your accusation was that I subsituted name-calling for argument.
Are you intending to drag this into "You said - no I didn't" game, as in the past - and then claiming that it wasn't you who said it but an "expert"?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 05:39 AM

Keith, I remember starting in another thread where I stated that I did not believe you were a racist, trying to discuss your (which isn't your...) theory in the Muslim thread and finding myself exasperated before changing my opinion regarding you.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 05:38 AM

Richard ~ If I found this tendency in Keith's posts that you find, then I should not tend to defend their content.

Jim, I do to a great extent see where you are coming from, but still find your tendency [to adopt Richard's locution] is towards shooting the messenger.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 05:33 AM

Jon,
"What I found particularly hard was you persisting with "Don I do now " believe.."

Remember Jon, I did not persist with any explanation for the over-representation.
That one was not mine and there was no other.
My case was just the over-representation.

You yourself acknowledged that the over-representation was a fact.
Remember?

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 05:27 AM

"his defence for free speech for fascist Blueshirt."
That is a lie Jim, and it is the second time you have told it.
Why do you feel the need?

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 04:43 AM

"Oh come on. Is that really the best you can do? You reckon you are the only one who is 'bemused'? "
On the basis of that statement he continued a thread into over a thousand posts.
I really can't be arse Mike - if you can't see anything racist in hias posts - others available if you wade through the shit he has written on others - pehrahps you would like to just explain (he hasn't) his "over-representation of Travellers in slavery sideswipe, and his defence for free speech for fascist Blueshirt.
I don't believe you to be a racist, but I certainly think you are an apologist for at least one of them.
Richard - would be interested to learn where I have ever suggested "excluding" anybody up to my preffered standars - but not on this thread please.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 04:39 AM

I am a scientist.

That made your inability to accept the data harder to understand.

I find that inexplicable

What I found particularly hard was you persisting with "Don I do now " believe that all male Pakistani Muslims have a culturally implanted tendency" arguments after the only study to date concluded that no racial conclusions could be reached because the data was so poor.

Only prejudice could explain that.

That was the conclusion I eventually reached...

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 04:16 AM

I am a scientist Richard.
No-one has ever been ableto link race and behaviour.
All the evidence is that there is none.
I am certain none exists.

"Keith's posts that I have read is that he tends towards a belief in racial tendencies."
I find that inexplicable Richard.
Only prejudice could explain that.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: GUEST, Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 03:45 AM

The impression I have had from the weight of Keith's posts that I have read is that he tends towards a belief in racial tendencies. And the overall impression I have is that M the GM tends to be prepared to defend that.

If you lie down with dogs you tend to get fleas.

I disagree with Jim on quite a number of things, including his wish to exclude musicians not up to his preferred standard and his wish to defend certain terrorists, but as to the charges of racial bias on this thread it seems to me that his case is hard to rebut.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 03:27 AM

Jim: Asked again & again by Keith to post evidence of your obsessive accusations of racism against him, the best you can come up with is the following ambiguous and slight observation, in which he quotes another poster's words back at him to demonstrate the narrow limits of his assertions, which are not his anyhow but quoted from other impeccable sources which you unconvincingly endeavour to belittle [Jack Straw is a 'minor politician', is he? Away you!] ~~

"Don I do now " believe that all male Pakistani Muslims have a culturally implanted tendency" but only because of the testimony of all those knowledgeable people, and always acknowledging that only a tiny minority succumb." ~~

out of all the, as you admit, acres and acres that both of you have posted on the subject. You then use this pinprick as a great stick to beat me with because I decline to accept your valuation of it as an absolute knockdown no-possibility-of-denial proof of your accusations, in order to demonstrate that I am 'biased'.

Oh come on. Is that really the best you can do? You reckon you are the only one who is 'bemused'?

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 03:06 AM

None of the threads down here is about music, and no-one has to read them.
I am disappointed that under the new regime I still have to defend myself from groundless attacks on my character.

Jim, the "doctored" cutting.
Do you deny that I had already posted the missing bit?
If you do I will provide a link and you will look ridiculous.

Do you deny that I had already acknowledged the truth of it?
If you do I will provide a link and you will look ridiculous.

It is no ground for calling me racist.

Those eminent, high profile people from their deep knowledge stated that it was aspects of culture,(impinging on ALL) that led some into offending.
No action was taken against any of them because it is not racist to say that, except on planet Jim.
So how can it be racist for me to say, "That sounds reasonable."?

You have no grounds for calling me racist.
You are driven by obsession and make yourself ridiculous.
Drop it.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Fossil
Date: 16 Sep 11 - 02:31 AM

Why is this thread still active?

It has nothing to do with music.

The participants currently seem to be using by turns violent, abusive, sexist, racist language and personal abuse.

I appeal to the moderators = THIS THREAD MUST GO!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 07:42 PM

Jim, I do not know why you keep attacking me with lies.
I am no racist.
You have to lie to make your case.
You have a problem.
The cutting I "doctored."
I just told you yet again.
I HAD POSTED IT BEFORE.
I HAD ACKNOWLEDGED THE TRUTH OF IT.
IT WAS NEVER IN DISPUTE.
WHY WOULD I POST IT AGAIN?

The cultural thing did not come from me.
It could not.
I know nothing about it.
The people who did are not racists.
Most were well known anti-racist Pakistanis.

There was an over-representation.
Sorry, but there was.
We had the thread, it is closed, for sanity's sake leave it Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 03:52 PM

What the **** has it got to do with either me or Travellers.
I hold no brief for any of the combatants in Ireland, I have never expressed any sympathy for either side; I am neither a nationalist nor a republican.
I think the last comment I ade on Mudcat was "a plague on both your houses" - that has always been my position and remains my position.
What do I think of it - I think you are attemping to dig yourself out of the shit-heap you've dug your way into with your fascist rantings - what do you think of the following:
l300,000 = estimated size of Britain's traveller community
8,000 = or more legal pitches in England and Wales
2001 = when traveller families first began setting up illegal pitches at Dale Farm
£8m = what Basildon Council is preparing to spend on clearing the site. Policing costs could also run into millions
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 03:26 PM

Jim, now this thread is done and dusted, what do you make of this story on the BBC news tonight ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14938518

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 03:21 PM

"I fear, Jim, I can make neither heads nor tails of your farrago in supposed response to my query"
Sorry Mike - the "All male Pakistanis..." has just been dealt with in full in the last few posts. Your name was dragged into it when Keith asked for, and got a character reference:
"I failed to find any racism aimed at the Pakistani community in general; and considered it necessary in the interests of what I perceived as justice to say so."
As I said - if you can find no racism in his "all male Pakistanis" = paedophiles statement, we live on different planets.
I firmly believe Keith to be as I have described him in the past - Keith and Bluesman "go together like a horse and carriage" (sorry, couldn't get it to scan).
The fake cut-'n- paste was his removal of part of his Jack Straw quote (The bit about there being no racist conclusions to be drawn) which you dismissed as a misdemeanor "something we have all done at one time or another" or words to that effect) - I suggest you plough your way through the aptly named "Muslim prejudice" thread.
The relevance it has to this thread is the racism that has emerged here in relation to Travellers; Keith suggested (hinted actually) that Travellers are over-reperesented when it comes to the crime of slavery - sound familiar??.
Done and dusted as far as I'm concerned, but feel free to PM me should your brain explode while searching the Muslim thread.
It was not my intention to draw you into this crap - but I am still bemused...
Another time - Another place
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 02:20 PM

Regrettably "swift and sure" tends to conflict with "just". Furthermore the nature of rule by majority tends to imply the existence of a concomitant minority, so "democratic" can also conflict with "just" - and that is the problem here that White Man cannot or will not see. If the law is to be respected, it must be just.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 02:13 PM

I personally would have no trouble demanding that the use of the word "Pikey" not be allowed on this forum, since it is obviously being used in a derogatory manner.

I also think that we must take on the most horrible of crimes, regardless of where they lead us, and that includes the pope, high officials, etc. The law must be sure and swift, and of course, just.

I also think we need to look for legal ways to prevent the evictions, and non-legal ways to end both discrimination of traditionally "out" groups, and also help them organize themselves so that the sore points with the "in" groups are minimized. I am talking about less grevious issues than slavery, sex trafficing, etc...more along the lines of garbage disposal, loud or boisterous conduct etc...and this applies to everyone..not a particular group we have been discussing..and of course should apply at least as severely to the "majority" group or groups.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 01:45 PM

Keep my name out of your posts Bluesman.
We have nothing in common.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 01:43 PM

Look at my actual post jim.
My first sentence tells you what I do not believe, i.e. Dons's list.
I do not believe they are all rapists , paedophiles etc.

I then say I believe what has been said by, Jack Straw, (senior statesman, high office holder incl. Home Secretary and MP for a large Pakistani population) and THREE eminent, ANTI-racist Pakistanis.

They ALL said Pakistanis were over-represented because of their marriage and relationship customs.
Why should anyone not believe them?

I assume that all or most men were subject to those customs.

I accept their expert view as I might accept a doctor's diagnosis.
I believe it but it is his opinion not mine.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 01:41 PM

Some fantastic news to share. The BBC news just reported that some Pikeys are currently leaving the site of Dale Farm, ending their illegal occupation.

The involvement of Pikeys in crime has been highlighted extensively in the media recently resulting in more and more complaints such as anti-social behaviour, dumping of rubbish, grievous bodily harm, drug dealing, sex trafficking and theft being reported to the police as people are now coming forward to report it.

This will put pressure on the government and police to do something about it, the days of police turning a blind eye is well and truly over.

One man who I have great admiration for is Len Gridley, he headed the campaign to get them off the land. Police confirmed he has received death threats for his stance.

He said, "They want it both ways… nobody is going to put up with them anymore,"

What is clear is that the Pikeys growing political awareness has not yet been matched by any large-scale support in the wider community. Among the settled community they remain a profoundly unpopular cause.

So some are bailing out before Monday's deadline. Wonderful news, I think I will sit back and treat myself to a glass of double malt.

Enjoy your evening.

Keith

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 01:14 PM

I fear, Jim, I can make neither heads nor tails of your farrago in supposed response to my query ~~ "All male" what? No recollection of mentioning newspaper cuttings, fake or otherwise. What did I claim to be "something we have all done"? Where? When?

You appear to be in some sort of state of confusion, I fear. Ah, well. Just let it pass and so will I.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 12:36 PM

PS No "knowledgeable people" have made such a definitive statement - one obscure politician has made a vague and totally unqualified reference to a link between paedophelia (that's what the discussion was about - the statuary rape of underage girls) and Muslim culture - he was an Asian amd many of his fellow Asian took offence at what he said; but even he certainly DID NOT say that "all male Pakistani Muslims have a culturally implanted tendency" - unless Keith has doctored his texts again and taken it out - hardly likely.
These are his words alone, and unless he can prove otherwise - leave it alone.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 12:28 PM

Curt to the chase - this is Keith sying what he said.
"Don I do now " believe that all male Pakistani Muslims have a culturally implanted tendency" but only because of the testimony of all those knowledgeable people, and always acknowledging that only a tiny minority succumb."
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 11:48 AM

Re that post Jim keeps using against me.
This link takes you to the post before it, Don T, to give some perspective.
It will take a few seconds because it is a long thread.
thread.cfm?threadid=135090&messages=2602#3094276

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 11:33 AM

Jim,If you are going to use my posts against me, do not edit them to make a case. Show it all.

AGAIN, I did not fake any cutting.
The bit I left out said that most sex offenders were white.
I HAD ALREADY POSTED THAT BIT
I HAD ACKNOWLEDGED THE TRUTH OF IT.
IT WAS NOT IN DISPUE.
THERE WAS NO REASON TO POST IT AGAIN!

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 11:22 AM

"In what way do you consider me 'biased', Jim?""
Yoou've had it Mike.
Anybody who can't see racism in "All male Pakistanis.." has to be in my book.
Likewise in writing off the faking of newspaper cuttings in order to change their intent as something we've all done.
Maybe I have you wrong and you were only trying to help a very lame dog over a very high stile - in which case, I apologise - though I would have thought it wiser to call in the vet.
Apart from that, my opinion still stands.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 11:19 AM

Richard, you will be pleased to know, they are producing Lifebouy again. You should be able to locate a stockist in Kent.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 11:14 AM

How long is it since I heard anyone say "coloured"?

Apart from a racist?

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 11:11 AM

Oh White Man, how little you know.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 11:10 AM

Oh Richard, that was one of your boobs, you seem to like those.


Fred's, I made it very clear on this thread that I have many friends who are coloured and they have my respect, so wasting your time attempting to label me.

No Fred's,I don't have aliases, nice to see you back on a thread without tears, drama and threats of resigning. But for how long. Now that remains the question.


Oh look, Pikeys caught out telling lies, the Dale Farm rodents actually own houses in the land of milk and honey. Great comments as well. Why do Pikey women all look like scrubbers ?



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2035826/Dale-Farm-eviction-Travellers-secretly-Irish-houses.html

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 10:43 AM

Please. People are "who". White Man is "what".

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 07:44 AM

"job done". Does this mean you'll shut up at last?

Probably not. You'll switch to having a go at Muslims, Blacks, Jews, Irish, Gays etc., under one of your many other aliases.

With so many nom de plumes to choose from, do you ever wake up in the morning and wonder who the hell you are?

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 07:37 AM

Jim,
"Keith - piss -off, you said what you said and it's all in print"

Yes it is Jim, and everything I have said about it here is true.
You can produce nothing to support your constant attacks on me.
Why must you keep trying?
Everyone must be sick of it.
I am.

Subject: RE: BS: Slavery still active-
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 07:19 AM

Jim: Thank you for the "good folk journalist" [02.32 AM]. It is true I do little of such now, tho still have a regular outlet for theatre criticism which was always my main journalistic occupation.

My phone # is not ex-directory & can be ascertained thru all usual channels ~ including the simple expedient of asking me for it if you want it. I know of no reason why Keith should know it ~~ we have never spoken & our acquaintance is confined entirely to communication via this forum.

I still await an answer to my enquiry of yesterday at 12.20 PM ~"In what way do you consider me 'biased', Jim?"

I repeat that I make no extraordinary claims to any particular erudition or expertise, though am not unappreciative of the compliment implied in any attributions of such to me.

Regards

~Michael~