Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: GUEST,lox Date: 25 Sep 08 - 12:00 PM Art, I'm sure even you are incapable of drinking so much that you end up producing five million pounds ... |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Alice Date: 25 Sep 08 - 12:13 PM McCain is not a member of the banking committee. This is such ridiculous grandstanding on his part. Our country has crises constantly - as he says, we are in a war on terrorism and could be hit again any moment, we have troops fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan... this banking issue McCain is now responding to by thrashing around looking for another red herring to throw out to the media. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Donuel Date: 25 Sep 08 - 12:20 PM sorry bb I thought reference was to the candidates. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Alice Date: 25 Sep 08 - 12:26 PM CNN just reported on the question of which candidate has missed the most roll call votes this year. McCain leads all senators in missing votes with 412 missed this year. The last time McCain voted in a roll call vote was in April. Since he had the nomination wrapped up earlier than Obama, I wonder why he was not back in the Senate more? Obama has missed 295 roll call votes. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: PoppaGator Date: 25 Sep 08 - 12:32 PM Did anyone notice CarolC's post back at 24 Sep 08 - 10:36 PM , about how disasterous McCain's frivolous move will be to the State of Mississippi and its flagship university? The only reason the debate was scheduled in tiny Oxford MS was that the Commission on Presidential Debates decided unilaterally tht New Orleans was incapable of handling such an event three years after Katrina. Never mind that the city has been sucessfully hosting even bigger events since late summer of '06 (e.g., the NBA All Star game last year). Also, never mind that the Oxford area does not have nearly enough hotel rooms for the national political establishement and media who would be expected to attend. So, while rural Mississippi perhaps should not have been designated to host the debate, they have been scheduled, and have gone to great lengths and great expense ($5.5 million) to cope with a situation for which they would not normally be prepared. I wonder how the predominantly-Republican officeholders of that state feel about their party's nominee now? If McCain doesn't change his mind back again and allow the debate to proceed as scheduled, something will have to give and ~ as Big Mick has pointed out ~ it is almost sure to be the VP debate. You can bet dollars to doughnuts that Sarah Palin will be continue to be excused from having to face live questioning. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Alice Date: 25 Sep 08 - 12:45 PM I hope Obama shows up and has a chance to spend the entire time answering the questions that were prepared for the debate... and from McCain's side, we will hear... crickets. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Bobert Date: 25 Sep 08 - 12:48 PM bb, You apparently are not keeping up with what is happening here... There are a number of folks who are involved in the negotiations that have been working on this for several days now... They represent the Bush administartion, the Treasury Department, the Federal Reserve and Dem and Repub finance comittee people... Anyone familiar with negoiating uderstands that you just don't go bringing people in willy-nilly... Like Barney Franks said yesterday in regards to John McCain's freek side-show antics, "He's not part of this part of the process and he isn't needed now" (paraphrased)... Obama has been at the forefront in comjunicationg the Dems positions and you can take it to the bank (pun intended) the Dem negoitiators are in touch with Obama... McCain, on the other hand, has been all over the place, saying whatever comes into his mind at the moment and acting like a crazy person... He says he can't be on Letterman because he has to zoom off to ****Save America**** then shows up at another interview... I'm beginning to see why he crashed so many airplanes... He has hit everything but the lottery over the last week... B~ |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: dick greenhaus Date: 25 Sep 08 - 12:53 PM A modest proposal. How about Obama pulls out of the debate, and we have McCain debating against himself, passionately championing both sides to every question? |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Marion Date: 25 Sep 08 - 01:03 PM Another modest proposal: Obama could offer to postpone tomorrow's debate with one condition: the VP debate gets moved up to take its place. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Donuel Date: 25 Sep 08 - 01:14 PM McCain appears by proxy |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: katlaughing Date: 25 Sep 08 - 01:16 PM MIck, you're on to something, I think; Olbermann or Maddow opined that last night, or was it Letterman, that they would use this as an excuse to cancel the VP debate. Obama should do like Clinton when daddy bush didn't show for a debate. He turned the whole thing into a huge Clinton rally! |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Donuel Date: 25 Sep 08 - 01:19 PM Yes McCain did propose delaying both the Friday debate AND the Palin Biden debate. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Bobert Date: 25 Sep 08 - 01:26 PM Yeah, Donuel, but only for 5 weeks... |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: katlaughing Date: 25 Sep 08 - 01:27 PM Yep. From CNN: McCain surrogate Sen. Lindsey Graham tells CNN the McCain campaign is proposing to the Presidential Debate Commission and the Obama camp that if there's no bailout deal by Friday, the first presidential debate should take the place of the VP debate, currently scheduled for next Thursday, October 2 in St. Louis. In this scenario, the vice presidential debate between Joe Biden and Sarah Palin would be rescheduled for a date yet to be determined, and take place in Oxford, Mississippi, currently slated to be the site of the first presidential faceoff this Friday. Wonder if she'll want another delay on this, too: By SHARON THEIMER – 2 hours ago WASHINGTON (AP) — Sarah Palin requested and received an extension of the deadline for revealing her personal finances, until the day after her only debate with Democrat Joe Biden. The Republican vice presidential candidate received a four-day extension Thursday from the Federal Election Commission. The federal financial disclosure report was initially due next Monday. Now, Palin has until Oct. 3, the day after her debate in St. Louis with Biden, the Democratic vice presidential nominee. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Alice Date: 25 Sep 08 - 02:02 PM oooops While McCain was wending his way back to Washington, the committee has wrapped up the first agreement of principles and are sending it to the president now. Guess McCain has no excuse to skip the debate after all!!!! |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Alice Date: 25 Sep 08 - 02:05 PM Republican presidential nominee John McCain has not introduced any banking or housing bills in the 110th Congress, while Democratic rival Barack Obama has proposed five. Guess that shows who really has been working on the economy while campaigning at the same time. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Alice Date: 25 Sep 08 - 02:10 PM "This notion that somehow John McCain is going to ride to the rescue is a notion in his own mind, not in reality," Dick Durbin said. "Bringing a presidential political campaign to the halls of the Capitol is not going to make this any easier." |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: artbrooks Date: 25 Sep 08 - 02:13 PM And Bush, McCain and Obama are supposed to meet at 4 DC time, possibly to discuss the proposal - or possibly to grandstand some more. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: CamiSu Date: 25 Sep 08 - 02:43 PM I must say I fail to see how anything McCain says has any weight since, not too long ago at 9a.m. he said that the "economic foundation is strong", and at 11a.m. THE SAME DAY he is hollering "CRISIS!!!" He obviously had to have someone tap him on the shoulder and point out the 800 lb. gorilla in the room. I think he is afraid to have either himself or Ms. Palin debate their counterparts. CamiSu |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Donuel Date: 25 Sep 08 - 02:55 PM That Palin promotes the appearence of covering up regarding personal finances and refusal to appear at the Legislative troopergate hearing is a bona fide issue. It goes to character and the ability to respond to rules. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Alice Date: 25 Sep 08 - 02:58 PM Palin does not have time to deal with troopergate - she has to cram for that uh, no, wait, maybe debate? |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 25 Sep 08 - 09:16 PM Obama refuses to return to Washington for the most important issue of the century. His election is more important than his job in the Senate. Then after hearing the reaction, he flip flops like a typical populist. McCain is steady on as a leader instead of a populist campaigner. His job is more important than the election. Obama blinks and now they are tied in the polls. McCain has stunning comeback in Thursday's Gallup Poll By Yael T. Abouhalkah, Kansas City Star Editorial Page columnist After John McCain's bold decision to suspend his campaign, he has stunningly erased a three-point lead and now is tied with Barack Obama at 46-46 in Thursday's Gallup Poll. And just when did Mac say he was not going to be at the debate? His asked Obama to postpone it. How does that conflate into "won't go" |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Alice Date: 25 Sep 08 - 09:23 PM McCain has not even gone back to the Senate to vote SINCE APRIL. What an idiotic idea that they needed McCain there today to suddenly be 'involved'. He's grandstanding, total politics, totally NOT leadership. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Riginslinger Date: 25 Sep 08 - 09:32 PM They needed McCain to save the economy. Obama went there to serve as backup. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Ron Davies Date: 25 Sep 08 - 09:58 PM "save the economy"-- More 100% drivel, from our most reliable source. Sorry, even the Republican party's mouthpiece, the WSJ editorial page, thinks your observation is pure tripe. The WSJ editorial page, no fan of Obama, even pointed out that Obama was totally right on this one--a president should indeed be able to handle more than one thing at a time. By the way, Mr. Fundamentalist, please tell us if you think Palin's witch-hunting Kenyan friend is a good influence on her. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Riginslinger Date: 25 Sep 08 - 10:58 PM "By the way, Mr. Fundamentalist, please tell us if you think Palin's witch-hunting Kenyan friend is a good influence on her." Basically, I think witch doctors are witch doctors. I think the son of a Kenyan would prove to be a bad influence on America. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Amos Date: 25 Sep 08 - 11:03 PM Actual poll reports, per RCP: RCP Average 09/18 - 09/24 -- 47.8 44.5 Obama +3.3 CBS News/NY Times 09/21 - 09/24 LV 48 43 Obama +5 Gallup Tracking 09/22 - 09/24 2731 RV 46 46 Tie Rasmussen Tracking 09/22 - 09/24 3000 LV 49 46 Obama +3 Hotline/FD Tracking 09/22 - 09/24 912 RV 47 43 Obama +4 Battleground Tracking 09/18 - 09/24 1000 LV 47 48 McCain +1 FOX News 09/22 - 09/23 900 RV 45 39 Obama +6 NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 09/19 - 09/22 1085 RV 48 46 Obama +2 ABC News/Wash Post 09/19 - 09/22 780 LV 52 43 Obama +9 LA Times/Bloomberg 09/19 - 09/22 838 LV 49 45 Obama +4 Ipsos-McClatchy 09/18 - 09/22 923 RV 44 43 Obama +1 CNN/Opinion Research 09/19 - 09/21 697 LV 51 47 Obama +4 |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 25 Sep 08 - 11:35 PM Amos, have you heard the new Repubs campaign song? Based on that great old hymn... When The Polls Are Arsed Up Yonder, I'll be there... |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 26 Sep 08 - 12:03 AM The debate has just been advertised on ABC National TV here in Oz as still on at 11am tomorrow morning our time... well, the audience and the cameras will be there, by the look of it... :-) |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Amos Date: 26 Sep 08 - 12:38 AM The Photo John McCain Wanted John McCain's sudden intervention in Washington's deliberations over the Wall Street bailout could not have been more out of sync with what was actually happening. He lamented that "partisan divisions in Washington have prevented us from addressing our national challenges." But for days, bipartisanship has been the rule on both sides of this argument. Republicans and Democrats alike were highly critical of President Bush's proposal to inject $700 billion into the financial system. Yet leaders of both parties were trying hard to negotiate an agreement with Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson. That's why they were close to an agreement in principle even before the two presidential nominees arrived for yesterday's White House meeting that McCain thought was so important. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Minority Leader John Boehner normally fight about everything. But on Wednesday they issued a joint statement noting that "working in a bipartisan manner, we have made progress." That was true at least until yesterday's meeting, when Boehner, facing conservative defections, roiled the talks by offering an entirely new proposal. And if McCain had been following the negotiations closely, he would have known that at times this week, Senate Democrats worried that Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, was too eager for a deal. Frank did not need McCain to make him bipartisan, and he grumbled befor yesterday's White House gathering that it was a mere "photo op." After the meeting, Senate Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) called it "political theater" that may have stalled an agreement. Bush himself was uncharacteristically forthcoming with concessions. In his address to the nation, he said he wanted to "ensure that taxpayers are protected." That meant he had acceded to Democratic demands that the government get shares in the firms it rescues. He endorsed oversight mechanisms his administration's proposal had lacked. He accepted an idea his negotiators had resisted fiercely: limiting what the financial titans who got us into this mess could pocket from this rescue. If you doubt that McCain's moves were about rescuing his candidacy rather than our economy, consider how his proposal to suspend the presidential campaign came about. McCain had just finished a phone call with Obama on Wednesday in which they discussed a joint statement of principles and McCain broached the idea of suspending the campaign. Obama said he'd think about it, but McCain didn't give him time. To Obama's surprise, McCain appeared on television shortly after the conversation to announce his unilateral pause in campaigning and a call for postponing Friday's debate. This is bipartisanship? As for getting the nominees to yesterday's White House meeting, Bush's lieutenants had been in discussions with McCain's people during the day Wednesday. Obama didn't get his invitation from the president until around 7:30 p.m., just an hour and a half before Bush's speech. This was an active intervention by Bush on behalf of McCain to box Obama into the photo op. Again, was this bipartisan? The simple truth is that Washington is petrified about this crisis and will pass something. There are dark fears floating through the city that foreign investors, particularly the Chinese, might begin to pull their billions out of our system. Scarier than the bad mortgages are those unregulated credit default swaps that financier George Soros has been warning about. There are $45 trillion of those esoteric instruments sloshing around the global financial system. They were invented as a hedge against debt defaults, but even the financial smart guys don't fully understand their impact or how to price their real value. Fear is a terrible motivator for careful legislating, but it's a heck of a way to bring about a lot of bipartisanship. McCain jumped into this game in the fourth quarter. Many of the players on the field, caked in mud and exhausted but determined as they approach the goal line, wonder why this new would-be quarterback has suddenly appeared in their midst. McCain could yet play a constructive role by rounding up votes from restive Republicans. Oddly, the biggest obstacle to a bill may not be Democrats but Republicans who refuse to go along with their own president. And -- yes, there is an election coming -- Democrats will be wary of going forward unless a substantial number of Republicans join them. But McCain's boisterous intervention -- and particularly his grandstanding on the debate -- was less a presidential act than the tactical ploy of a man worried that his chances of becoming president might be slipping away. Washington Post |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Goose Gander Date: 26 Sep 08 - 12:54 AM Perhaps McCain does not want to be reminded in front of a national audience that only days ago he said the 'fundmentals' of the US economy are strong. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Teribus Date: 26 Sep 08 - 01:37 AM Well wonders will never cease: akenaton's post of 25 Sep 08 - 03:02 AM. I agree with every word. McCain's actions and perspective reflect his "America First" or "Country First" stance. Wake up folks you have a problem, a problem that requires rapid response. Both prospective candidates for President of the United States of America are US Senators. The rescue or bail out package proposed by the current administration has been criticised by committee, who realise that something has to be done, therefore it would appear that some form of compromise must be reached. McCain and Obama have to be part of the process considering where either one may be in about 100 days time. To debate the issue as a sidebar to the main discussions/negotiations would be an idiotic and pointless and possibly destructive distraction - McCain can see that, why can't Obama? "A president should be able to do more than one thing at a time" said Barack Obama - I would like to point out to the Junior Senator for the State of Illinios that a President also has to recognise what is and what is not important and get his priorities right. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: akenaton Date: 26 Sep 08 - 01:52 AM I'M AWAY TO SEE A SHRINK!!....Its too scary |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Peace Date: 26 Sep 08 - 01:58 AM Over half the country put that sonuvabitch in power--TWICE. I have little sympathy for those who voted Bush in. I do have a great deal of sympathy for those who didn't. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Big Al Whittle Date: 26 Sep 08 - 03:59 AM Teribus.... crisis, what crisis? I thought, according to you all these right wing policies have been a howling success - and we need more of them over here. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Riginslinger Date: 26 Sep 08 - 07:47 AM "'McCain's actions and perspective reflect his "America First" or "Country First" stance.'" This morning, his numbers are soaring in the polls! |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Bobert Date: 26 Sep 08 - 08:00 AM Apparently, t-Bird, has no idea od what really has been transpiring this week... The deal was well on the way until crybaby McCain unloadeed yet another volley of insane subterfuge on the American people and highly politiciezed that bi-partisan work that has been going on all week on the legislation... Representatives from both sides of the isles have been critical of the White House meeting yesterday and have said it was a setback... And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the only reason for the meeting was becauswe crybaby McCain had threatened to not show for the debates if the deal wasn't done... That, T, is the real story here... I don't know where you are getting your mythology but it sounds like Fox... B~ |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: GUEST,Sawzaw Date: 26 Sep 08 - 08:02 AM If it was necessary for McCain to return to Washington, why did Obama have to follow him? If Mac was being foolish, so was Obama. If Obama was not being foolish then neither was Mac. Follow the leader. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Bobert Date: 26 Sep 08 - 08:12 AM Wrong again, Sawz... Obama didn't "follow" McCain... Obama was invited by Bush and when one is invited to the White House when they are running for president one accepts the invitation... BTW, I find some of the comments about folks who were in the meeting to be quite revealing... Folks say the Obama was fully engaged and talked alot about deatils and McCain hardly opened his mouth... Hmmmmmmmm??? Cat got yer tongue, John??? I thought it was supposed to by McCain on the white horse riding into Washington to ***Save America*** but when he got there he didn't seem to even be able to keep up with the discussion... Some savior... B~ |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Ron Davies Date: 26 Sep 08 - 08:17 AM A measure of how helpful McCain has been to the talks: WSJ 26 Sept 2008: "At a Senate Republican meeting, some Republicans, including Utah's Robert Bennett, who had been a vocal supporter of the earlier tentative agreement, appeared unhappy. ' They weren't too happy with McCain', said one aide to Senator McCain, adding that there was some 'grousing' that the candidate wasn't fully embracing the emerging compromise". "Asked late Thursday if having the presidential candidates at the table distracted from the process, Sen. Bennett said: 'I'm not going to comment on that' ." Preceding is all direct quotes from the WSJ. Following is my own comment: There is now civil war within the Republican party. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Big Al Whittle Date: 26 Sep 08 - 08:32 AM I really can't imagine why Americans are considering re-electing the same idiots that got them into this mess. Don't the right wing take any responsibility for all their foolish actions? It seems to me America has this anti-intellectual thing going. You see it on thosse crime channels - again and again juries reject evidence from expert witnesses because they want to convict some poor sod. I heard one of them say, they talk to us like we're idiots... And you can't help feeling maybe the experts have got a point. I really don't think someone with bits missing up top like Rewagan, Bush, or this Palin woman would ever get elected in England. Thatcher was bonkers, but there was no doubting her intellectual and debating prowess. her adroitness in tight corners sometimes left you reeling. American politics is too well rehearsed and orchestrated. their stupidity is too well hidden. But when I listen - don't you get the feeling that sometimes these tailors dummies don't really understand the words they are saying. Its all been written for them. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Riginslinger Date: 26 Sep 08 - 08:44 AM Unfortunately, wld, that's the way it is with the candidates in both major parties. There are exceptions--I would say Barnie Frank is an exception--but not many. The people who could really do something positive for the country, like Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, and Ralph Nader, can't get past the first rung of the ladder. There are very powerful special interests who want to keep things this way. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Donuel Date: 26 Sep 08 - 09:01 AM They asked the Republican chairman of the banking commitee how many times McCain has called him about the crisis or the hearings or the progress that the committee has made toward a deal... He answered... not once. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Teribus Date: 26 Sep 08 - 10:36 AM How many times did Obama call him Donuel? Does either McCain or Obama sit on that Committee? As Chairman of a Committee that is currently siting in order to solve a problem, that as yet does not have a solution. If anyone who is not part of that committee or not part of the current administration calls to ask me for information they would quite rightly get absolutely nothing from me. The flow of information on the committee's deliberations would be inter-committee agreed course of action - then to agreement on the proposed course of action with the current administration - then to agreed joint public statement outling the course of action to be adopted. I am sure Donuel, that John McCain has been around Washington long enough to realise all that. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Riginslinger Date: 26 Sep 08 - 11:49 AM And why would you call him in the first place, if he knew what was going on we wouldn't be in this mess. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Donuel Date: 26 Sep 08 - 12:16 PM Obama has been in contact with Henry Paulson on a daily basis. http://usera.imagecave.com/donuel/bail.jpg |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: dick greenhaus Date: 26 Sep 08 - 12:26 PM I find it interesting that, by Tuesday at least (24 hours after he had supported the deal) McCain couldn;t find time to read the 3-page proposal. Maybe his lips were too tired. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: PoppaGator Date: 26 Sep 08 - 01:06 PM It's noon the day of the scheduled debate, and as far as I know at this point, something is going to transpire at, and be broadcast from, Oxford, Mississippi. We just don't yet know exactly what. I believe we can be fairly sure of only one thing: that Mr Obama will be in attendance, and will be ready to deal with whatever circumstances occur, because (unlike others who shall remain nameless) the man is able to think on his feet. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: GUEST,az_skye Date: 26 Sep 08 - 01:26 PM I believe that McCain has ADD-HD (yes, in Hi Def even lol) and the beginnings of Alzheimers disease. It would explain a lot of his recent actions. Have lived with 3 family members who have this, and just gets worse with age, stress, lack of sleep and caffinated drinks. It's time for Mommy McCain to put him back in his room. |
Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate From: Barry Finn Date: 26 Sep 08 - 01:54 PM MaCain announced he will be at the debate. He couldn't find an excuse to avoid it. He tried for himself, he tried for the sake of Palin postpoment, now he's just the ass in the outhouse & she's looking real flush. He wasn't useful to the "crsis", he's split his parties direction, caused a ruckus in the middle of the planning stages & seeing as he did nothing & made matters worst he'll have to drag his tail to Mississippi & face the folks down there who have contempt for him for the threat of leaving there University out to dry. Again it looks as if MaCain flies off in a rush & bust flurry stirring up a hornets nest On the other hand Obama has stayed on track, kept himself informed, did not cause a stir in order to place his campain in the forefront & is the one who thinks before he acts. It's great t know there's someone, finally, who's not shooting from the hip. MaCain proved to be a political ass. We'll see how he faits in the debate. My thoughts about tonight, the focus aside from forging(pun)policy followed by the precent economy "crsis" there'll be questions about his posturing about saving the nation for the sake of the nation first. I'd say there'll be some looking at Shara too & not in a postive veiw. Barry Barry |