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BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate

Amos 26 Sep 08 - 01:54 PM
Ebbie 26 Sep 08 - 02:52 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 26 Sep 08 - 02:58 PM
Big Mick 26 Sep 08 - 03:12 PM
Donuel 26 Sep 08 - 03:58 PM
Amos 26 Sep 08 - 04:00 PM
Big Mick 26 Sep 08 - 04:29 PM
Charley Noble 26 Sep 08 - 04:36 PM
Bobert 26 Sep 08 - 04:46 PM
Riginslinger 26 Sep 08 - 05:01 PM
Big Mick 26 Sep 08 - 05:02 PM
artbrooks 26 Sep 08 - 05:12 PM
Donuel 26 Sep 08 - 05:20 PM
Big Mick 26 Sep 08 - 05:24 PM
Donuel 26 Sep 08 - 05:42 PM
Alice 26 Sep 08 - 06:28 PM
Riginslinger 26 Sep 08 - 06:49 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 26 Sep 08 - 07:31 PM
Amos 26 Sep 08 - 08:22 PM
Donuel 26 Sep 08 - 08:37 PM
DougR 27 Sep 08 - 01:07 AM
Backwoodsman 27 Sep 08 - 03:30 AM
Riginslinger 27 Sep 08 - 02:04 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate
From: Amos
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 01:54 PM

Well, he decided he had generated enough confusion for the day and agreed to come to the debate after all, in his brightly colored plane.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 02:52 PM

I'll go on record here as I have been saying in my Alaskan hometown: I believe that Palin will be dropped before the election. As a nominee she is a disaster and is not likely to get better.

Just today more has come out about the gifts she has accepted since becoming governor.

My prediction is that in one of two scenarios, she will be out.

One: She tearfully acknowledges that she just has too much on her plate and realizes that her family at this point has to come first. McCain will express his regret but say he has no choice but to accept her decision's validity. He will therefore nominate either Tom Ridge or Joe Lieberman to be his running mate, "either of whom will be ready to fulfill the role from Day One".

Or

Two: McCain will announce that Sarah Palin agrees with him that she does not meet the needs he will have in the rough years he will have as President of the United States, and that therefore he is instating Joe Lieberman or Tom Ridge as his running mate. (As he had wished to do from the start but that Karl Rove wouldn't allow it.)


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Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 02:58 PM

"Wrong again, Sawz...

Obama didn't "follow" McCain... Obama was invited by Bush and when one is invited to the White House when they are running for president one accepts the invitation.."

La Times Sep 24, 2008:

Obama, McCain invited to White House


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Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate
From: Big Mick
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 03:12 PM

The day after McCain chose Palin, I posted THIS, and predicted that she will flame out. The word out there right now is that in the practice debates and news conferences she is a disaster and the McCain team doesn't know what to do. Her performance with Couric and Gibson demonstrates perfectly that she is not qualified, and that McCain chose political expediency (which is blowing up in his face) over his vaunted honor and love of country.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 03:58 PM

Mick, Good guess. I think she will stay to the bitter end/start

As far as this thread goes, McCain made me a liar. He is going to debate.

Probably the greatest debate of all time with McCain swooning from exhaustion and anger. If he is as run down as he looks, tonight he may collapse before a National Audience. His famous last words will be 'Country First' while witness' testify he actually said 'send sarah hhh...". Whether that was send her home or send her on could not be determined.


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Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate
From: Amos
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 04:00 PM

McCain's flailing panic


        

                

(updated below)



"There are few things more boring than following the twists and turns of the Campaign Scandal du jour, but this is pretty unstable behavior:

Fox News on Wednesday:

John McCain will suspend his presidential campaign Thursday and has asked to postpone his debate Friday with Barack Obama so the two senators can return to Washington to help negotiate a Wall Street bailout, an approach that Obama promptly rejected.



McCain will participate in Friday night's debate if a bill is passed by Friday morning, his adviser Mark Salter said.



Associated Press yesterday:
His campaign has said he wouldn't participate unless there was consensus between Congress and the administration, and a spokesman said the afternoon developments had not changed his plans. . . .



"There's no deal until there's a deal. We're optimistic but we want to get this thing done," McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said.



The New York Times today:
Talks Implode During a Day of Chaos; Fate of Bailout Plan Remains Unresolved



Separately, Representative Barney Frank, Democrat of Massachusetts, and the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, said on Friday that an agreement depended on House Republicans' ending their opposition and "dropping this revolt" against the plan proposed by the Bush administration, The Associated Press reported. He described the rival plan being proposed by Republicans as "an ambush."



Meanwhile, Senator Richard C. Shelby of Alabama, the senior Republican on the banking committee and a critic of the current plan, said the plan had to change before it would win support of Republicans.



In an interview on CNBC, quoted by Reuters, Mr. Shelby said, "This is not going to work."



The Politico, an hour ago:
McCain will go to debate



Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) ended three days of suspense on Friday morning and announced that he will leave bailout negotiations in Washington and fly to Oxford, Miss., for tonight's opening presidential debate.



McCain had previously said that he would suspend his campaign -- and so would not attend the debate -- until an agreement was reached on the administration's $700 billion mortgage proposal. No such agreement has been reached, but Republicans said the standoff was hurting McCain's campaign and that he would look terrible if he didn't attend the nationally televised, eagerly anticipated debate, while Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) was ready to go on stage.

In less than 48 hours, McCain went from "I'm far too patriotic to debate unless there is a deal that is done -- there's no deal until there's a deal" to "I'm going to debate even though there's no deal." Is there any way to describe that other than, as Spencer Ackerman put it, a "humiliating failure"? The New York Times's Patrick Healy today inanely ponders whether "In a Time of Crisis, Is Obama Too Cool?" (Didn't Rudy Giuliani become the Greatest Man Ever in History because of his post-9/11 coolness?) But surely excessive stoicism is vastly preferable to the sort of unstable, flailing panic that McCain has exhibited this week, where he issues a definitive, emphatic pledge which, less than 2 days later, is completely abandoned with little real explanation.

UPDATE: On Wednesday, Joan Walsh said McCain's debate announcement was a "crazy stunt" and "he will regret it." I doubt she knew how right she was. In addition to the above, National Review's Rich Lowry adds yet another reason why this is so:
A Hostile Audience



One side effect of McCain's debate gambit is, I'm told, that everyone at Ole Miss now hates him. It will make for a very hostile audience tonight among those students and faculty attending. He might have to apologize for creating the uncertainty or make some explanation up front, which is never ideal.

It's understandable that McCain is trying to run an unconventional campaign -- it's the only way he has any chance to win, and it's why I thought and still think his Palin choice was shrewd, even if it ultimately doesn't work out -- but this "I'm-not-debating-yes-I-am" maneuver was just a total debacle on every level, and -- like Palin -- McCain is becoming an almost pitiable figure.

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Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate
From: Big Mick
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 04:29 PM

Donuel, .... it wasn't a guess. This is my bailiwick. The first time I heard her speak I knew she would have trouble. Having run campaigns at the highest level, I knew what savvy interviewers would do, and they did it. They can smell out someone who is over their head in a flash.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate
From: Charley Noble
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 04:36 PM

McCain has at least won the battle of "expectations." No one now expects him to do better than Obama. So if he just paws the ground and snarls a little he'll generate exciting headlines.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 04:46 PM

Ahhhhhh, Sawz... Since when was John McCain elected president... He can't possibly invite anyone to the White House without being president so...

...guess again, Part 2...

Ohters,

Well, what was John Boy gonna do... Give Obama a feee stage at Ol' Miss with a national TV audience??? This little chess move on McCain's part backfired... That's the problem when you run a campaign based on complete suberfuge and no substance...

BTW, Amos,

Did you see the pic in the this morning's Post... There was Obama looking l;ike he was very much into the discussion and McCain down at the end of the table lookin' like a kid in class waiting for the bell to ring... Purdy funny...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate
From: Riginslinger
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 05:01 PM

"I... predicted that she [Palin] will flame out.


                      She hasn't, of course. She's running stonger than ever.


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Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate
From: Big Mick
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 05:02 PM

hold on to your dreams.


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Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate
From: artbrooks
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 05:12 PM

Lessee - tonight's debate is back on. That means next Thursday's VP debate won't be preempted. Oh dear - watch that or try to find Fortunato's pre-Getaway song circle? The latter should be fun, and the former funny. Decisions, decisions, decisions....


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Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 05:20 PM

Mick, the word guess is flip.

I too take great stock in my predictions. The last one that totally tanked was this summer when I forsaw a Bush family tragedy. Bupkis

So its a show down. WIll she stay or will she go
you say go
I say stay


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Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate
From: Big Mick
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 05:24 PM

No, I didn't say she would go, buddy. My use of the term "go down in flames" was merely rhetoric for her becoming a millstone around the neck of McCain, and contributing mightily to his defeat. Their campaign is showing all the signs of cracks in the foundation. The only thing that could save McPalin, IMO, is for a miserable showing in the debates by O'bama (my irish showing there.... ***chuckle***) and Biden, coupled with some October surprise of an amazing magnitude. Don't count the latter out, btw, given that the Cheney operatives can see the same signs. Winning is all for them, no matter who is hurt.

Scary times, eh?

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 05:42 PM

Ass President she certainly could save us all from the ravages of a long and cruel depression by goin nooculer and reducing us all to 30 brillion tons of well done steak.


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Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate
From: Alice
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 06:28 PM

Well, why even have the debate.... this morning, the McCain campaign already has announced that McCain won!!?!

Why let the truth interfere with their "reality"?

ad states that McCain wins... before the debate


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Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate
From: Riginslinger
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 06:49 PM

Well, it's a forgone conclusion, isn't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 07:31 PM

Amos taking the side of Achmadinejad and Mugabe is the one with arms flailing.


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Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate
From: Amos
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 08:22 PM

Sawz:

Your alteration of fact is verging on the defamatory, and if you are not careful I shall start going to the trouble of revealing your asininities for what they are.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 08:37 PM

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/mccain_wins_debate.html?nav=rss_blog

politoon


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Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate
From: DougR
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 01:07 AM

Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! There was not debate tonight? I watched it, and thought there was! And I could have probably watched a scintillating episode of My favorite folk music Whistler instead. What a disappointment.
DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 03:30 AM

The opinion of BBC 'Breakfast' (UK TV programme) commentators this morning seems to be that McCain won.


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Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate
From: Riginslinger
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 02:04 PM

The problem being, in order for McCain to really win, he had to win big. Like Obama's pants would have had to have fallen down or something.
                  The next debate will be on domestic affairs. McCain has never been domesticated.


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Subject: RE: BS: McCain quits, Won't go to debate
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 04:36 PM

From: DougR
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 01:07 AM

Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! There was not debate tonight? I watched it, and thought there was! And I could have probably watched a scintillating episode of My favorite folk music Whistler instead. What a disappointment.
DougR

Not much was said of any importance...at least what the SHOULD talk about. This was crappy nonsense. political street theater!


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