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BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?

GUEST,Guest from Sanity 15 Oct 08 - 08:55 PM
Amos 15 Oct 08 - 08:44 PM
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Slag 15 Oct 08 - 06:11 PM
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Little Hawk 15 Oct 08 - 05:44 PM
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Rapparee 15 Oct 08 - 04:48 PM
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Art Thieme 14 Oct 08 - 08:17 PM
Little Hawk 14 Oct 08 - 05:59 PM
Amos 14 Oct 08 - 05:53 PM
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Wesley S 14 Oct 08 - 03:25 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 08:55 PM

From: Amos
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 08:44 PM

HEy--inhaling was the whole point!! :D


A
I farted again...


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Amos
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 08:44 PM

HEy--inhaling was the whole point!! :D


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 08:37 PM

From: Slag
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 06:11 PM

...and not one mention of Mommy!

Because, ..ummm...maybe it wouldn't be a lie.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Slag
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 06:11 PM

...and not one mention of Mommy!


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Slag
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 06:10 PM

I can't believe I wasted my time reading this thread! LIES! ALL LIES!


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 06:00 PM

Art0
The problem with many of the lies told in the present campaign is that they're so transparently bad. I agree--good lying is an art form. But inept lying should somehow be suppressed. Something like bad banjo playing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 05:57 PM

Damnnnn!


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 05:44 PM

No, no...Rapaire is the VP on the Chongo Chimp (APP) ticket already.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 05:22 PM

Super!! A Rapaire/Art Thieme presidential ticket!!...perhaps, you can hunt moose, on a Rezko housing project, with Fannie, and Freddie, from a helicopter, while organizing a community, while raising taxes, by cutting them????,,for a change !! Well?...that's just a taste of what we've been asked to swallow!!..and by the way, Don't inhale!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 04:48 PM

Hey, Art. Betcha I kin outlie ya.

I grew up on the Big River, you know....


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 03:37 PM

From: Art Thieme
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 08:17 PM

Lies get a bad rap! I've made a living telling them for many years.

What party ticket are you running on???


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 08:17 PM

Lies get a bad rap! I've made a living telling them for many years. Tall tales are outright bold faced lies. They were an exagerational American way of injecting humor and finding that too rare commodity in disasters and hard times. Belittling the often horrendous things that nature often provides, and that our flesh is heir to. Tragedy, being basic to life, is the norm---the normal state of things. Everyone's life is tragic ultimately. It is left to comedy to be comic relief FROM that basic tragedy in life.

On the American frontier, at least, during the 19th century, LIES were often utilized to play down the heavy stuff.

As I did, you too can learn to stop worrying and love lies!!

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 05:59 PM

Ha! ;-D Boy, what an imagination. You do grasp rather well the general zeitgeist of the Chongo storyline, but you are off on the details. Way off. You oughta get a job with National Enquirer or better yet, start working for McCain's people instead of Obama's. You haven't got enough class to work for Obama's people.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Amos
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 05:53 PM

If he'd taken some responsibility for her when he first started making money it might have been a very different story. But he was blinded by cheap hooch, long-legged human dames, and the power of having a snubnosed rod in his jacket pocket. So he never thought of his sister in the SOuth Side slums or his dying mother with no money to heat their little hovel of a tenement. He never thought of his brother in Africa, who wondered day and night what had become of his family after the man in the yellow hat rounded them up. He never cared, and now he is paying the price for his own moral turpitude.

Chinga says it's nothing a few hundred grand wouldn't put right, though.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 03:29 PM

You betcha. After all, he has had to deal with a lot of life-threatening issues in the African jungle, the waterfront of New York, and the mean streets of Chicago.

Chongo is pissed, man. He's had about enough of this "Chinga" nonsense.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Wesley S
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 03:25 PM

That's going to have to be one fast damn chimp.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 03:19 PM

My encroachment on your reality has barely begun, Wesley. You will understand the full measure of it when you answer a knock at your front door and find a chimp there who gives you a kick in the groin that lofts your family jewels up somewhere between your right and left ear canals.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Wesley S
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 03:14 PM

Well - I invented a fictional character years ago named Little Hawk that lived in Canada and was obsessed with Wynona Ryder, William Shatner and Bob Dylan. So why you're trying to encroach on my reality I can't possibly imagine. Actually you're just a pigment of my imagination.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 03:09 PM

Wesley, if you ever invent a fictional character, write numerous stories about him over a period of several years, and grow to know him well and love him, and have a clear picture in your mind of exactly who he is and what he does...you will react the same way if some dipwad comes from out of nowhere and creates a fictional sister for him with the unlikely name of "Chinga" and then insists she is real.

You won't like it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 03:00 PM

Rap:

27 candidiates for Antichrist, and you omitted the actual Antichrist, AND the answer to the question "where do lies come from?":

Dick Cheney!


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 03:00 PM

Ah, well...now we know where lies come from, don't we? ;-)

Face it, man, it is only your false sense of pride that leads you into maintaining this pathetic charade you are engaging in, and as long as you maintain it you have no basis for bellyaching about people doing similarly fraudulent things to smear Barack Obama.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Wesley S
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 02:57 PM

PLEASE - Surely no one is going to try to pass off Chongo as an "intellectual property"???


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Amos
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 02:53 PM

LOL!! Curiouser and curiouser. Does it occur to you that your boundary rules are themselves concoctions of your own overheatedimagination?

I asked Chinga about it, and she told me that although there has often been debate about who the father was, they were pretty sure about the mother. So I guess we're stuck with it. Besides, she showed me an actual Chicago birth certificate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 02:01 PM

Amos, your "imaginary playmate" was invented as a mere postscript to mine, and you don't have the right to do that. If you invented an imaginary playmate that was its own original story, its own original concept, that would be fine, and I would have no objection.

Then it would be your business.

It is not your business to invent a new family member of my character's family, because my character is my business and I invented his family! Do I make myself clear? You are violating my flipping copyright with this crap about "Chinga" and I demand that you cease and desist.

You could also invent some other chimp or orangutan or something that had a beef with Chongo, and that would be fine. No problem. But you cannot add members to his family. No sir. You are trespassing when you do that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Amos
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 01:11 PM

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Published: October 12, 2008
The most persistent falsehood about Senator Barack Obama's background first hit in 2004 just two weeks after the Democratic convention speech that helped set him on the path to his presidential candidacy: "Obama is a Muslim who has concealed his religion."

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That statement, contained in a press release, spun a complex tale about the ancestry of Mr. Obama, who is Christian.

The press release was picked up by a conservative Web site, FreeRepublic.com, and spread steadily as others elaborated on its claims over the years in e-mail messages, Web sites and books. It continues to drive other false rumors about Mr. Obama's background.

Just last Friday, a woman told Senator John McCain at a town-hall-style meeting, "I have read about him," and "he's an Arab." Mr. McCain corrected her.

Until this month, the man who is widely credited with starting the cyberwhisper campaign that still dogs Mr. Obama was a secondary character in news reports, with deep explorations of his background largely confined to liberal blogs.

But an appearance in a documentary-style program on the Fox News Channel watched by three million people last week thrust the man, Andy Martin, and his past into the foreground. The program allowed Mr. Martin to assert falsely and without challenge that Mr. Obama had once trained to overthrow the government.

An examination of legal documents and election filings, along with interviews with his acquaintances, revealed Mr. Martin, 62, to be a man with a history of scintillating if not always factual claims. He has left a trail of animosity — some of it provoked by anti-Jewish comments — among political leaders, lawyers and judges in three states over more than 30 years.

He is a law school graduate, but his admission to the Illinois bar was blocked in the 1970s after a psychiatric finding of "moderately severe character defect manifested by well-documented ideation with a paranoid flavor and a grandiose character."

Though he is not a lawyer, Mr. Martin went on to become a prodigious filer of lawsuits, and he made unsuccessful attempts to win public office for both parties in three states, as well as for president at least twice, in 1988 and 2000. Based in Chicago, he now identifies himself as a writer who focuses on his anti-Obama Web site and press releases.

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(Fro0m the NYT cited upthread).


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: SINSULL
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 01:04 PM

I thought Walmart was the antiChrist...


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Wesley S
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 12:57 PM

I think the American public must have ADD. The story I quoted above was sent to me by a fried who prefaced the story by saying " I haven't had time to check this out - I wonder if it's true?" I was able to find info that refuted his story with a very quick google search.

These lies will continue work as long as we're willing to read the lies, pass them on , and consider ourselves too busy to check them for facts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Amos
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 12:45 PM

IT is interesting that a thread intended to confront the hard facts about lies and the liars who promote them has generated such a cloud of tangential mishmash and random commentary. Why, it's almost as though the real subject is somehow "unconfrontable". Hmmmmm.

Hypnotic suggestion, as Donuel points out, is a nasty business in mass manipulation. The Big Lier theory has been tested over and over again by demagogues from Berlin to DC, Moscow and Beijing. The fact that folks CAN be so manipulated by phrases and pictures is a sorry reflection on our legacy as thinking men and women.

PT Barnum had the rights of the matter.

Where do these lies come from, aside from Clerar Channel and those promoters mentioned above?

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 11:51 AM

From: Alice
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 10:34 AM

It is sad that people believe there is such a thing as an anti-christ.

...or you!


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 11:16 AM

to return to the original question..........Alaska?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Alice
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 10:34 AM

It is sad that people believe there is such a thing as an anti-christ.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 09:24 AM

With the housing bubble burst there aren't many people moving anywhere right now.

I never noticed it before and I don't notice it now. People move for a lot of reasons -- jobs, retirement, family, and others. I think your television program was desperate for a story and thought that maybe perhaps this might possibly be one if it were true.

I exempt certain retirement communities in Florida, but even in those (and they're rare enough to make the news HERE) members of all the political parties live.

"Polarization," excepting the fringes on both sides, seems to be more of a media event than actuality.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Gervase
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 05:36 AM

As a nonAmerican (in both the narrow and the most general senses) I have no part to play in the US electoral processes and I regard it as ill-mannered to debate or make detailed commentary on another country's policies unless it specifically and directly affects my own.
Agreed - but the result will directly affect every other country in the world. And, as someone in what likes to call itself 'the Free World', I have a huge interest in the outcome of the election for what Americans like to call 'the leader of the Free World'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 02:09 AM

From: Rapaire
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 10:48 PM

Here is a list of some of the Antichrists:

Rapaire, Being as the anti-Christ is a spirit, that resides in people,(or the lack of Christ's spirit, that resides in people), your list is a great start!


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 01:20 AM

Only a complete moron, supremely endowed with a supernatural capacity for stupidity, would believe ANY politician is capable of telling the truth......especially when seeking office!!....only rivaled, by a political supporter, who can discern the difference, by his, or her candidate!!

Etched in stone!


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Rowan
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 11:41 PM

As a nonAmerican (in both the narrow and the most general senses) I have no part to play in the US electoral processes and I regard it as ill-mannered to debate or make detailed commentary on another country's policies unless it specifically and directly affects my own.

But I was listening to a broadcast on ABC (Oz) Radio National where a commentator was describing the US as an increasingly polarised community, where people who move house tend (more and more) to settle in locations that they seem to identify as being dominated by their own political persuasion. Apparently, US residents can identify Democrat and Republican communities by sight (even when there are no election placards in sight), without any recourse to conversation with the residents. There is also, apparently, a trend for counties to become increasingly dominated by either Republicans or Democrats, with all the unaligned moderates being pushed out.

The material in the original post seems (to my mind) to explain the process by which this has been promoted and some of the subsequent exchanges seem (again, to my mind) to exemplify the results of such polarising.

I know that all communities are regarded by pundits as "polarised" to some extent but the extremes (to an outsider like me) to which it is being taken in the US at the moment bodes ill for any truly democratic society, let alone one that its supporters regard as paradigmatic.

Cheers, Rowan


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 10:48 PM

Here is a list of some of the Antichrists:

1. The Pope and the Papacy
2. John Paul II (Ian Paisley said so)
3. John Whiteside Parsons
4. Barack Obama (according the Hal Lindsay)
5. The Emperors Nero, Vespasian, and Titus
6. Czar Peter the Great
7. Rasputin
8. A son of Martin Luther
9. Antiochus Epiphanes
10. Napoleon Bonaparte
11. Adolph Hitler
12. John McCain
13. King Arthur
14. Prince Charles
15. Prince Phillip
16. Prince William
17. George W. Bush
18. Hillary Rodham Clinton
19. Dajjal
20. Aleister Crowley
21. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
22. Ronald Reagan
23. Barney the Dinosaur
24. Saddam Hussein
25. Henry Kissinger
26. The Circassians
27. Somebody (male) from the Tribe of Dan


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Amos
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 10:25 PM

Little Hawk:

What? You don't care for my imaginary playmate? I am WOUNDED!!!

But no, no deal. I am simply suggesting you stay aware of the purpose of this thread. You have spent a great deal of bandwidth promoting your fantasies about Chongo in other threads which is where such delusory simians belong.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: harpmolly
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 09:24 PM

Rapaire: Gee, well, thanks. I feel better now. Not. ;)

Irrational fearmongering is irrational fearmongering is irrational fearmongering. I didn't claim it was anyone's intellectual property. (Interesting list, though...I'm trying to think of anything Obama has said or done, for good *or* ill, that could possibly elevate him into such distinguished company. ;) Did he have a secret affair with Chongo?)

LH: I know, I know. Mothers exist to drive their children insane. Her timing just sucked, that's all...normally I would've shrugged it off, but she more or less tossed a lit match into a fireworks factory. *grin*


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 09:16 PM

By the way, that is one hallmark of success in this life.

If you are really successful, chances are that some idiot out there will think you're the AntiChrist.

And my mother has a friend who thinks Obama might be the long-awaited Messiah. So it goes both ways.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 09:09 PM

Molly, that's what close relatives are for. They can drive you totally nuts in ways that most other people would never even think of or get the chance to! You have my sympathy. I have dealt with somewhat similar family issues from time to time.

So, Amos wants me to play nice and not bring the Chongo issues into this thread, does he? Fine. I am willing to compromise, because I think this thread is of some value and is dealing with a worthy subject.

Here's the deal, Amos. Drop all the stuff about Chinga forthwith, cease your scurrilous allegations in this and other threads in that regard, and I shall not bring further comments about the Chongo campaign into this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 08:59 PM

Gee, Obama joins the ranks of Kaiser Bill, Hitler, Abraham Lincoln, and whole slew of other Antichrists.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: harpmolly
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 08:43 PM

Augghhhh!!

The other night I called my very own mommy for a pep talk (after a last few weeks that have gone from bad to worse to completely surreal). She made a few encouraging noises at me, and then launched into a well-intentioned henpecking session about a certain aspect of my personal appearance (which shall remain unnamed) which she felt needed improvement, which would make me feel much better if only I would fix. I listened in total dumbfounded shock, responding with robotic comments while I flailed around for something polite to say without bursting into tears.

She then made the following offhanded comment: "So, I was asking a co-worker the other night if she thinks Obama is the Antichrist..." and burbled on in that vein for a moment. When I regained my composure and asked her calmly, "Mom, what possessed you to even SAY something like that?" she responded blithely, "Because I think he kind of is."

She may have had a contextual explanation, but we'll never know, because I more or less went nuclear on her. Not only did I have to find out that my mother and I apparently live on different PLANETS, but she was so blithely indifferent to my emotional state (which, after all, was the entire reason I'd called her) as to not only insult me personally, but administer a huge and offensive slap in the face to my political beliefs. (Her reaction to my expressions of hurt and anger? "I don't know why you're so mean to me. I guess I never say anything right. You're always criticizing and judging me." AUGGHHH!!!)

I know this is a long story and is only moderately on-topic, but I'm just sick about it...it's really hurtful to realize that a person you have always loved and looked up to can so easily buy into the lies and propaganda being circulated out there. Her political leanings aren't news to me, but the level of disrespect and callousness she showed is completely freaking me out.

Sigh.

Molly


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Amos
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 07:51 PM

I would appreciate it if you would stick (in this thread) to the topic at hand, which is constrained to the marketing of false statements in the real world. Granted this is not a sandbox you play in very often, but still...



A


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 06:33 PM

Boys, boys! Each of you go to your chair for a time out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 05:59 PM

I do that as a form of satire, you dolt. ;-) I feel that in dishing out imitations of your bloviations at their most pungent and then adding a dash of humor to the mix I can most handily demonstrate what the original problem is with them. In short, sir, you suffer from acute verbal excess.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Amos
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 05:37 PM

And if people were better informed they would understand why Chongo has never come out public-ally on the subject of his disreputable sister Chinga, who is well known in the barrios of Detroit and Chicago as on e of the major players in the trans-species sex traffic business.

Little Hawk, of course, can't handle this issue directly because it would be a political hot potato if it were brought up broadly, so to speak. Notice, too, that when he really wants something said well, Little Hawk takes a page from Bearded Bruce's playbook, and just copies my sentences for his own use.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 05:19 PM

If people were less ignorant, they would realise that Husein is just as common among Christians as it is among Muslims.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 04:42 PM

"Ma, Ma, where's my pa?"

"If Lincoln [is]s elected hundreds of thousands of fugitive slaves [will] immediately emigrate to their friends - the Republicans - (in the) North, and be placed by them side by side in competition with white men."

"J. Q. Adams who can write" squared off against "Andy Jackson who can fight" in the election of 1828, one of the most bitter campaigns in American history. Jackson's followers repeated the charge that Adams was an "aristocrat" who had obtained office as a result of a "corrupt bargain." The Jackson forces also alleged that the president had used public funds to buy personal luxuries and had installed gaming tables in the White House. They even charged that Mrs. Adams had been born out of wedlock.

Adams's supporters countered by digging up an old story that Jackson had begun living with his wife before she was legally divorced from her first husband (which was technically true, although neither Jackson nor his wife Rachel knew her first husband was still living). They called the general a slave trader, a gambler, and a backwoods buffoon who could not spell more than one word out of four correctly. One Philadelphia editor published a handbill picturing the coffins of 12 men allegedly murdered by Jackson in numerous duels.

Washington has pretensions to a monarchy.

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Campaign lies and dirt -- what else is new?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 04:07 PM

And that's only the tip of the iceberg, folks. Even more outrageous than the false slurs launched against Barack and Michelle Obama are the incredible smear campaigns that have been directed at Chongo Chimp, such as:

RenataGate - The absurd suggestion that Chongo has been having an interspecies affair with his attractive human campaign manager, Renata Carson, a bright young Chicago intern.

ChingaGate - The even more absurd and totally untrue garbage that is forever being spread about concerning a supposed sister of Chongo's named "Chinga", when there is in fact no such sister and never has been such a sister. Chongo has 3 sisters. None of them is named "Chinga". Despite the fact that these "Chinga" rumors have no basis, though, they continue to be repeated, and they are all emanating from one single source: the offices of Amos J******, a ruthless muckraker employed by the Obama campaign for the sole purpose of derailing any and all other campaigns besides Obama's. Mr J****** lives in California where he has become notorious for his ceaseless attacks on any and all candidates who are not Democrats or are not working for Obama. He attacked Hillary Clinton ceaselessly. He has attacked McCain and Palin ceaselessly. He has attacked Chongo Chimp ceaselessly.

But the nerve of this man! In what amounts to absolutely brazen specism he first invents a fictional sister for Chongo Chimp, then concocts bizarre stories about their supposedly violent family history, and furthermore does the incredibly insulting thing of naming the fictional sister with a name that is also the dirtiest word in the entire Spanish language!

This is a transparently obvious attempt to alienate Hispanics from voting for Chongo and the APP, a party which works on behalf of all Americans, with no prejudice or favoritism.

One of the scurrilous techniques used by Amos (a twist that even Karl Rove would be embarrassed by) is the assertion of unknowns that are actually knowns. Demanding to know, for example, in shrill tones, what Chongo's history of family violence is when the answers are freely available (there was no such family violence), or why he won't show his firearms license when a copy of it is freely available on line. THis kind of nuttiness spews out from Amos on a daily basis, and would suggest that he is either mentally unbalanced or lost in an emotional frenzy of some kind that has rendered his ability to accurately assess reality null and void.

What concerns me the most is the evil dedication of the professional falsifiers and muckrakers such as Amos, whose sole purpose is to distort the democratic process by injecting flows of toxic waste, informationally speaking.

Christ. Did I just say "informationally speaking"? God help me. I'm going to have to stop reading Amos's weird diatribes altogether...his bloviatory language is beginning to permeate and infect my entire being! ;-)


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