BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Frustrated...
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 07:51 PM

And the pig still cannot sing :-(



I stopped reading right here;

"... the tax agency has obstructed Congress by losing Lerner's emails..."

One more time (sighhhhh) - the emails were lost (and the loss reported, and recovery attempted) several years *before* Congress showed any interest. How can this possibly be "obstruction"?????

Buh-bye.
The pig probably isn't refusing to sing. Maybe it just cannot.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 07:03 PM

Here are the allegations, with the times.....

"New evidence about Lois Lerner's missing emails suggests IRS acted in "bad faith," and that there may have been White House involvement.

Cause of Action, a watchdog group that is investigating embattled former IRS official Lois Lerner, believes that there's strong evidence proving the tax agency has obstructed Congress by losing Lerner's emails and has suggested steps to get to the bottom of the situation.

According to a statement released to The Daily Caller by Cause of Action, the government watchdog group believes that there is evidence suggesting the IRS acted in "bad faith" in the case of the missing emails and that there might've been involvement with the White House in this action.

Cause of Action filed a FOIA request — along with Tea Party Patriots — seeking answers as to whether the IRS broke the law when it lost Lerner's emails on June 24.

Dan Epstein, executive director for Cause of Action, outlined how this is the case in an interview with TheDC where he stated that the day (June 3, 2011) when Rep. Dave Camp, chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, sent a letter to the IRS asking questions about the targeting of conservative groups is the date where the investigation began and when the IRS should've been well prepared for preserving Lerner's hard drive.

"It's very clear that this is obstruction of Congress," Epstein told TheDC. "The IRS on June 3, 2011 became on notice that there was a congressional investigation, which automatically means that there is a duty to preserve documents."

"There should've been copies of Lois Lerner's hard drive and there should've been other practices to make sure all of her emails and documents were preserved," Epstein continued. "It's very clear from the record that there was no such hold of Lois Lerner's documents at the time that Congressman Camp sent that June 3, 2011 letter."

"There should be an inference of bad faith — they [Congress] can say that this was a bad faith loss of records, it was actually destruction, it was actually intentional."

Epstein believes that the next three steps of the investigation should be to: "investigate the possibility of spoliation of evidence;" "conduct oversight over the Archivist of the National Archives and Records Administration to determine whether he consulted the Attorney General concerning the missing IRS emails, determine whether he signed off on records dispositions by the White House, and determine whether he believes the Directive conflicts with the Federal Records Act and, if not, whether it authorizes the IRS's activities;" and "conduct oversight over the White House to determine whether it disposed of any responsive records."

He believes these steps are essential in making sure the truth comes to light in this case.

Epstein explained what his group's interest in this case stems from, and why it has zeroed in on Lerner's missing emails.

"What our main focus with the IRS has been the lawsuits that we've filed to try to understand whether the IRS has been leaking and making unauthorized disclosures of tax-return information and donor information to the White House, and really to try to understand the White House's involvement," Epstein said.

"We've jumped on to that issue — not from the perspective of looking at politicization per se — but really trying to understand practically what it means both legally and politically that these emails were lost and what are the implications for congressional oversight," Epstein continued.

The lawyer also hit back at the claim from Lois Lerner's attorney that the investigation into his client is merely "election year politics."

"It is part of their [the committees investigating Lerner] statutory duty, and their duty on behalf of the American population, to look into these issues," Epstein replied."





GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 02:00 PM

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"Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jun 14 - 06:19 PM

This just reported(True story!)

The IRS is claiming that they've lost the last two years of Lois Lerner's E-mails....."
snip--------------------------------

The "last two years" from 2014 would be 2013 and 2012.

Emails were lost pre-2011. Well before the "scandal".

It has been clearly shown that the above statement of yours is not correct. You were either seeking to mislead, or are repeating right wing talking points without understanding the facts.

Now provide more distractions.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 01:01 PM

To shed light on your comas and unlock the brain-lock!

Here TIA...here's an excerpt from the link I'll include....I would suggest that any other hard left leaning 'so-called liberal' read the article, and maybe you might get a clue as to why your 'opinions' are so skewed and limited in anything other than 'the party line'...

"Some argue that controlling media access is needed to ensure information going out is correct. But when journalists cannot interview agency staff, or can only do so under surveillance, it undermines public understanding of, and trust in, government. This is not a "press vs. government" issue. This is about fostering a strong democracy where people have the information they need to self-govern and trust in its governmental institutions."

Journalism Groups: 'Politically Driven Suppression of News' in Obama WH

...and if you want to dance the normal 'so-called liberal' bitch at the source jig,....here's a search page...take your pick....then move onto the next dance!

Yahoo seach page....you don't like it?.....then try 'Google'!!

Then scratch your heads as to 'why' your 'news' sources are leaving you in the dark....and 'why' you 'think'(?), that everybody who doesn't 'agree with your folly must be a Tea Partier, or some 'right wing' Kook.

I just call the crap you believe in 'Propaganda'!!

GfS

P.S. Maybe you can get a 'party boss' to tuck you in for your coma!!

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 12:52 PM

The lost emails that Issa and company are screaming about were lost in 2011.

2011
2011
2011

You really do not comprehend the issues.

2011
2011
2011

Pop quiz...

When were the "lost emails" lost?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 12:11 PM

Can't you read, before you open your pie hole?

"It was sent April 9, 2013, less than two weeks after the IRS inspector general that unearthed the tea party targeting practice shared a draft report with the agency."

This is 2014....in case you haven't awoken out of your coma!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Definitely not Don Firth - he needs no help
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 08:41 AM

From Dickhead from Sanity's link…

"Former IRS official Lois Lerner said she warned her colleagues to be careful about what they write in emails amid congressional inquiries, according to new emails released by House Oversight Republicans."

Who would not be careful what they say during a witch hunt? This is proof only that she is aware that Issa will seize and distort anything - just like you.

The second link repeats that she was worried about congress reading her emails *during* the investigation (notice the word "amid" up there… you know what this means don't you?).

As you say "Note the TIME". You have jumped ahead two years and are hoping nobody notices that you have now changed your argument.

Again you are busted, busted, busted. Time to shut up now, yes?

---

Don Firth uses his own name to post. Guest who posted this who is sometimes "Actual Scientist" and sometimes "TIA" please use your own unique moniker, don't turn another member's name into your identity. --mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 12:44 AM

Guest, Not Don Firth: "Lois Lerner lost her emails two years before Issa manufactured the IRS scandal. She reported it immediately, and worked with the techies to try to recover them. Issa, Ryan, and the Repub thugs are feigning almighty outrage, and you are eating it up despite your hollow claims to being non-partisan."

Oh yeah??? Note the TIME!

"The email did not mention the investigation then being conducted by the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration. It was sent a month before Lerner broke the news of the tea party targeting at a law conference, not mentioning what congressional inquiries she was concerned about."

From this article...and there are a bunch of them....

Issa witch hunt????


..and another....Read them!

Sometimes being an ideologue DOES get in the way!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 09:17 PM

Out of context!

On Fox News, in an interview with Bill O'Reilly, and after a lot of badgering from O'Reilly, Obama said that Nixon was more liberal than he was on certain issues.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 07:14 PM

"Nixon was far more liberal than I"---Barrack Obama

GfS

P.S. Either he is wrong..(won't be the first time) or is lying (won't be the first time...or doesn't know what he is talking about.
You pick!

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 07:06 PM

Are you trying to tell me that you believe in our Constitution??
I was commenting on the fact that the 'so-calleds' seemingly go overboard in censoring things that are not along their interpretation of their 'ideology'.
Besides that, today's 'liberals' are tomorrows Conservatives..once they get their stuff implemented. They don't seem to be very tolerant of accountability, when found to either be in error(though they can't seem to admit error, when it is pointed out!), or hypocritical.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 05:37 PM

"Freedom of speech is NOT one of their [Liberals| platforms....."

Totally wrong!

Who do you think wrote that into the Constitution in the first place? Not King George III, who wanted things to stay the same, i.e., which, within the context of the configuration, made him a Conservative.

Where the hell do you get this stuff, Goofus? Certainly not from the Real World!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 04:36 PM

But let's not stray from the topic too far.....but alas...the posts that asked deeper questions have been deleted, as well.

Oh well, that's liberalism!!...Freedom of speech is NOT one of their platforms, for dissenting opinions, other than their own!...though they claim it as their 'right' when it comes to running their mouths...
Such astounding hypocrisy!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 01:21 PM

Yeah, I went a couple of times, myself...even went to a Bowl game, with my Dad..it was Michigan and Ohio, I think...

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 12:49 PM

Yep. Twice when I was a little sprat. 1939, when the Grand Marshal was Shirley Temple, then again in 1940, when the Grand Marshal was (were) Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy.

Didn't go to the Rose Bowl games though.

Part of the time we were living in Pasadena, we lived one block north of Colorado Boulevard. Not the part where the parade went, though. Does not far from McKinley High School ring a bell?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 11:36 PM

Remember going to The Rose Parade, on Colorado?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 11:31 PM

Don't know. I was born in a hospital in Los Angeles, but we lived in Pasadena for the first nine years of my life. Than we returned to the Pacific Northwest, where my parents were from.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 11:11 PM

What part of L.A.?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 09:53 PM

Sounds like a substantial talking point to me. If you can prove that Guest Who Is Not Me is wrong, then do so. WITH substantiation. Don't just sit there and roll your eyes. You look like an idiot.

BUT with clear and concise documentation, nothing from any of those supermarket tabloid internet newsletters you usually cite.

Don Firth
(Official and ordained. I was not born in Kenya OR Hawaii, I was born in Los Angeles and, like President Obama's, my birth certificate is real, but mine was issued by the state of California rather than Hawaii. I have never been a family counselor, nor have I ever claimed to be one. And I don't write music or screen plays, nor have I ever claimed to. I sing traditional songs to the accompaniment of a classic guitar. And when not performing folk songs and ballads, I have worked as a news director and editor at an ABC affiliated radio station, and as a technical writer and editor of the Bonneville Power Administration, so I CAN tell the difference between doggy droppings and shoe polish, unlike....    No, I'll just leave it there.).

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 09:45 PM

...and yes, I know about Cecil and lansing....music friends putting in their two cents worth, on our computer...now where's that lynch mob???

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 08:23 PM

I am??? According to your unsubstantiated talking point????
Gosh. I'm convinced!

(rolls eyes)...

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Not Don Firth
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 07:48 PM

This is not Don Firth.

And you, GfS, have posted as numerous people (Cecil and lansing to name just two, but there are more). And I have the proof, so STF_.

I choose to remain anonymous because you seem truly and deeply troubled, and I do not want to be the target of your obsessive pathology. But your horseshit should not go unchallenged in any case.

Lois Lerner lost her emails two years before Issa manufactured the IRS scandal. She reported it immediately, and worked with the techies to try to recover them. Issa, Ryan, and the Repub thugs are feigning almighty outrage, and you are eating it up despite your hollow claims to being non-partisan.

Consider your shit challenged. Now scream about anything else to distract. You are busted.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 06:45 PM

Quick!!..Get the lynch mob!!...Damn, where is a rope when you really need one??!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 01:56 PM

Lying as usual, Goofy. I use my own real name (unlike you!), and I have never posted as "Guest," with the rare exception of when my cookie has vanished, and when I notice that, I reset my cookie, then return to the thread and identify my post.

I'm not afraid to stand by what I say.

You, on the other hand.......

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 10:56 AM

Goofus:
"...and BTW, 'Guest' sure sounds like you...maybe he didn't want to admit that....but then again, maybe it was you...It wouldn't be the first time you hid behind 'Guest'....."

Glass houses, Goofy, glass houses.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 10:46 AM

Well at least the thread is back up...and as long as it is...go get yourself an education....there's LOTS of documented posts in here, as you requested!!

...and BTW, 'Guest' sure sounds like you...maybe he didn't want to admit that....but then again, maybe it was you...It wouldn't be the first time you hid behind 'Guest'.....

...anyway go check out some of the posts...beardedbruce has some accurate ones, as does Sawzaw...and note all the crap they took for it, now that a lot of them proved out to be true!......regardless of the source!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Jul 14 - 08:59 PM

Not hiding, Goofus. The GUEST just above is not me.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Jul 14 - 07:51 PM

Don, you either are making this up, or are posting to someone else...and for truth's sake, stop hiding!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jul 14 - 07:06 PM

You got caught red-handed spouting lies, so you are shouting about other things to distract. Little kids do this.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Jul 14 - 06:13 PM

Check with the ISP or the NSA...I'm sure one of them have a copy...

Hey, you left out how he said he was going to run the most transparent administration.....blah blah blah......and I see you left out EVERYTHING Sawzaw posted.....what's the matter?..cat got your tongue...or you lost it with the E-mails??

GfS

P.S. Oh, about those 'shovel ready jobs'....
they're shoveling, alright!

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Jul 14 - 03:19 PM

GfS is so full of shite.
Lois Lerner lost the emails in 2011, reported the computer crash, and tried to recover everything... All of this two years before the "scandal" was manufactured by Issa and thugs. Two years before!

But if Obama is capable of planting his own birth announcement in the Honolulu papers 50 years before his election, Lerner could easily pull of this plant two years ahead, right GfS?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Jul 14 - 02:24 PM

Or maybe it's so obviously bogus it doesn't merit bothering with.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Jul 14 - 12:48 PM

Hey Greg....Sawzaw's list is VERY short, and I could add a lot more...so your 'rebuttal'(?) of calling him a fool is in itself VERY foolish....
.....or maybe you just can't dispute his list!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Jul 14 - 04:51 PM

G'bye, fool.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Sawzaw
Date: 05 Jul 14 - 04:31 PM

"all of President Obama's accomplishments"

He let us keep our doctor PERIOD.
He let us keep our health insurance no matter what.
He kept his promise to address immigration in his first year when he had control of the House and Senate.
He Kept his promise to eliminate all income taxation of seniors making less than $50,000 per year.
He Kept his promise to end no-bid federal contracts above $25,000
He Kept his promise to forbid companies in bankruptcy from giving executives bonuses.
He Kept his promise to reduce the Veterans Benefits Administration claims backlog.
He Kept his promise to not pit Red America against Blue America and be the president
 of the United States of America.

Didn't he?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Jul 14 - 03:38 PM

Who? The Republicans, particularly the Teabagger idiots.

How? By not acting like spoiled 3-year-olds.

Where? In the House, mostly, but also in the Senate.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 05 Jul 14 - 03:37 PM

Of course the other 11 have completed their time in office and our president is now well into his second term where most presidents traditionally don't do well in polls. Get back to me in about 15 years when the ACA is well established and we can fairly judge all of President Obama's accomplishments.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Sawzaw
Date: 05 Jul 14 - 01:50 PM

Flashback: "WHo, how and where should the Obama administration place its priorities to turn around the divisions and bitternesses that have poisoned our nation for the last many years, and start healing its Union, and its economy, and its repute, and its political framework."

He has only made things worse which has earned him the title: The Worst President

"President Obama has topped [bottomed] predecessor George W. Bush in another poll"

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Jun 14 - 12:55 PM

Sometimes you gotta' wonder.....are these people S-O-O incompetent, and dishonest, that it is a ploy, to get people to rise up, so that they can take off their masks and crackdown without ANY oversight or discretion....I am NOT for ANY violent civil unrest....concocted, or otherwise...but it sure has got to make you wonder!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Jun 14 - 03:53 AM

Heard Hillary the Hawk on BBC today, defending the invasion of Iraq and all that flowed from it.
The interviewer asked, "So you invaded because Saddam was a bad man"? "Oh no" said HtH "I think he was a lot worse than bad"

When are these people going to realise that "democracy" and "equality" are not Universal rights. When are we going to realise that we cannot transplant even our dreadfully flawed system to every part of the world and expect the populace to behave in the same way as we have been conditioned to do.
If we had any balls left we would be setting fire to the White House and the palace of Westminster and stringing up all the politicians who support this madness, placing us all in grave danger of terrorist attack by fundamentalists.

Our socio-economic system is about to collapse, the bubbles are running out and so is time, the future of Capitalism lies in the East an we will soon be a stagnant backwater....unfortunately the ex-Communist countries have learned how to make Capitalism work much better than we ever could, and that is by suppression of personal freedom.
We used theft and exploitation to enrich afew through Capitalism, add suppression of thought and free speech and you have a system that is impregnable.

Liberalism and Capitalism are not compatible.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jun 14 - 06:19 PM

This just reported(True story!)

The IRS is claiming that they've lost the last two years of Lois Lerner's E-mails.....sounds a bit like 'the dog ate my homework'...I wonder if any of those 'brainiacs' thought of checking with the NSA!! They have every one's!!!

Don't you just love dishonest politicians??!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jun 14 - 12:07 PM

Well, I thought you closed it and deleted my last post, for Don's sake. As for 'bored'..well I could say,'Less than exhilarated' by what I'm hearing on the news, day to day....but, 'I told you so'..I also said, repeatedly that Jordan, then Saudi Arabia would have severe problems, and the Keystone would be approved...and you know what??...it looks as if that is EXACTLY what is about to happen(among other 'events') that our 'ever so wise' ideologues are blind to....Bitch all you want, but you can't argue with accuracy!.....and I'm NOT partisan...being one only blinds you to half of the 'other side'....
How 'bout you?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Jun 14 - 11:32 AM

Bored, GfS? Your last fight-thread was closed a few days ago. You have no one to argue with so you're raising a red flag in an old thread?

Your intent is clear. Go for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jun 14 - 11:23 AM

I've been noticing that the 'libs' are deafeningly silent, as the headlines unfold day to day.....
...so, is silence contentment...or are they too embarrassed to speak?????

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Sawzaw
Date: 29 Dec 13 - 08:03 PM

Well well well.

Auntie Zeituni and uncle Omar can stay but Uwe and Hannelore Romeike must go.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Dec 13 - 11:18 PM

Here's an interesting Gallup Poll...Libs may not like it....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Dec 13 - 01:51 AM

ooops I misspelled via typo 'Republicans'...make that 'Reptilians'...

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Dec 13 - 01:47 AM

I posted that this would happen..exactly! and said that for Democrats, they'd feel like Reubplicans, right before Watergate!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Dec 13 - 10:18 PM

Hey!..Obama is going to let you get your 'bare-bone' policies back..for the unaffordable 'bronze plan price'...if you lost your policy due to being dropped........Merry Christmas!.......(if the insurers will go along......which they said they wouldn't because it would just lead to more confusion......)

Sorry....that's what the 'news' reported tonight....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Dec 13 - 11:52 PM

Well you sure 'nuff convinced me!!
.....too intellectual for my taste.....

GfS