BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jun 13 - 06:31 PM

Enlighten YOU? No chance. Jesus himself couldn't enlighten you.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jun 13 - 06:04 PM

Greg, if you want to win people to your side of the argument, you have to present one....your childish, nit-picky, pouting rants are hardly anything of substance, that can cause ANYONE to see your side, other than you are being rather immature. Give it a shot, say something other than venting your resentment to Bruce, because he's presenting facts, that you don't like, against your 'nothing'...at least if you feel so strongly about something, state 'why'....because frankly, your antics leaves one with the impression of, 'Who wants to be like this idiot?!?!'...or in other words, 'Idiots like you just coincidentally, also are Obama supporters'.
Enlighten us...give it a shot.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jun 13 - 03:34 PM

Oh, stir that bullshit round, round
Add the horseshit, clown clown
Only song Beardy can sing is lay that bullshit down.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jun 13 - 02:11 PM

WASHINGTON — The CEO of the Associated Press told an audience Wednesday that the Department of Justice has succeeded in muzzling government employees from talking to AP reporters in the weeks since the seizure of AP phone records was revealed.
"What I learned from our journalists should alarm everyone in this room and I think should alarm everyone in this country. The actions of the DOJ against AP are already having an impact beyond the specifics of this particular case," AP CEO Gary Pruitt told an audience at the National Press Club. "Some of our longtime trusted sources have become nervous and anxious about talking to us, even about stories that aren't about national security. In some cases, government employees that we once checked in with regularly will no longer speak to us by phone, and some are reluctant to meet in person."
After it was made public that the Justice Department took AP Washington bureau phone records as part of the Obama administration's aggressive anti-leak operation, Pruitt said the fear among potential sources has spread to reporters from other outlets.
"I can tell you that this chilling effect is not just at AP, it's happening at other news organizations as well," he said. "Journalists from other news organizations have personally told me it has intimidated sources from speaking to them."
Pruitt said he believes government officials are happy to see the process of newsgathering become more difficult in Washington.
"The government may love this. I suspect that they do," he said. "But beware the government that loves secrecy too much."
During a question-and-answer session after his speech, Pruitt said he did not believe the Obama administration has had a different relationship with the press than past administrations, but he said that the Obama administration's aggressive attempts to prosecute leakers have put the administration's view of the press front and center.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jun 13 - 01:10 PM

Try again to read the post:


The thread is Popular Views ABOUT the Obama Administration, as the title says.


The fact that local governments are bending over backwards to avoid being under ObamaCare tells a viewpoint.


Care to contribute to the thread, or will you just continue to stalk me- Against Mudcat rules, but you have some mudelf hanging on your every word...

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jun 13 - 12:42 PM

I can read, Beardy, but apparently YOU can't- so I'll try to simplify things for you:

How is the Obama Admin. responsible for private OR public employers' attempts to skirt the law?

This IS a thread about the Obama Admin, isn't it?

So, try again to answer the question.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jun 13 - 12:29 PM

So you claim that Obama had nothing to do with "Obamacare"?

Or can't you read?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jun 13 - 12:02 PM

I kinda like the name Reggie, Beardy.

Now try answering the question; I repeat:

And the Obama Administration controls these local governments HOW, exactly BeardedBullshit?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jun 13 - 11:57 AM

reggie boy,

"so they can skirt ObamaCare's costly employer mandate,"

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jun 13 - 10:59 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/20/world/europe/president-obama-berlin.html?_r=0

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jun 13 - 10:55 AM

And the Obama Administration controls these local governments HOW, exactly BeardedBullshit?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jun 13 - 10:30 AM

When Regal Entertainment Group (RGC) in April blamed ObamaCare for the fact that it was cutting some of its workers' hours, backers of the law mounted a furious backlash against the theater chain, among other things filling its Facebook page with boycott threats.
"Greed and selfishness make me sick," one of them said.
Darden Restaurants (DRI) felt this intense heat last year after suggesting it might shift to more part-time work to minimize the cost of the law's mandate that companies offer coverage to all their full-time workers. CEO Clarence Otis even blamed its lowered outlook for 2013 in part on "recent negative media coverage" over "how we might accommodate health care reform."

Yet while private companies are getting all this unwelcome and hostile attention, local governments across the country have been quietly doing exactly the same thing — cutting part-time hours specifically so they can skirt ObamaCare's costly employer mandate, while complaining about the law in some of the harshest terms anyone has uttered in public.
The result is that part-time government workers — many of them low-income — face pay cuts that can top $3,000 a year, and yet will still be left without employer-provided benefits.

http://news.investors.com/061913-660419-local-governments-cut-hours-to-avoid-obamacare-mandate.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Jun 13 - 11:27 AM

The State Department investigator who accused colleagues last week of using drugs, soliciting prostitutes, and having sex with minors says that Foggy Bottom is now engaged in an "intimidation" campaign to stop her.

Last week's leaks by Aurelia Fedenisn, a former State Department inspector general investigator, shined a light on alleged wrongdoing by U.S. officials around the globe. But her attorney Cary Schulman tells The Cable that Fedenisn has paid a steep price: "They had law enforcement officers camp out in front of her house, harass her children and attempt to incriminate herself."

Fedenisn's life changed dramatically last Monday after she handed over documents and statements to CBS News alleging that senior State Department officials "influenced, manipulated, or simply called off" several investigations into misconduct. The suppression of investigations was noted in an early draft of an Inspector General report, but softened in the final version.

Erich Hart, general counsel to the Inspector General, did not reply to a request for comment. State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said last week that "we hold all employees to the highest standards. We take allegations of misconduct seriously and we investigate thoroughly." She also announced that the department would request additional review by outside law enforcement officers on OIG inspection processes.

After the CBS News made inquiries to the State Department about the charges, Schulman says investigators from the State Department's Inspector General promptly arrived at Fedenisn's door. "They talked to both kids and never identified themselves," he said. "First the older brother and then younger daughter, a minor, asking for their mom's place of work and cell phone number ... They camped out for four to five hours."

Schulman says the purpose of the visit was to get Fedenisn to sign a document admitting that she stole State Department materials, such as the memos leaked to CBS. Schulman says it was crucial that she didn't sign the document because her separation agreement with the State Department includes a provision allowing disclosures of misconduct. Furthermore, none of the materials were classified.

Schulman charged that sending law enforcement officers to pressure her into signing an agreement was heavy handed. "Why not simply mail it, courier it, send it Federal Express or deliver it by any other normal means by which one delivers a demand letter? Why send two federal law enforcement agents?" he asked. He also said that officials from the Inpsector General's Office told him they'd be having a "no kidding get together with the DOJ," implying to him that they would push criminal charges if his client didn't cooperate.

In discussing the chain of events with Kel McClanahan, a D.C. attorney who has represented several agency whistleblowers, McClanahan said the case smacked of intimidation.

"This type of intimidation technique is all too common when an agency wants something from you that it is not entirely confident it can get without your cooperation, and more often than not people who don't know any better fall for it," he told The Cable. "Regardless of what you may think of Fedenisn's motives, she worked for these guys for years and she knows their playbook ... I would have been shocked if she did anything except promptly hire a lawyer and call their bluff."

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Jun 13 - 08:04 PM

Firth: "That's a darned good list of accomplishments you've linked to, GUEST,gillymor. Thank you."

Except the 'list' was written by a very NON-objective 'devotee'...and because of it, he failed to be accurate...and failed to cover the liabilities....and I'm not going to labor it...there is PLENTY of evidence on these threads, and in the 'news' that validates what I just posted.
Call me anything you want, because of it..it's OK...you are just making a fool of yourself.....and I'm trying to spare you the embarrassment!

See ya'!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Jun 13 - 02:33 PM

That's a darned good list of accomplishments you've linked to, GUEST,gillymor. Thank you.

It struck me as I read through the list that these really valuable and desirable accomplishments on President Obama's part are the very reasons that many of the clowns on this and other threads hate his guts!

And beardedbruce's remark of accusation up-thread a bit, "Or is the fact that Obama is 'Black, and a Democrat' enough for you to hold him to lower, or non-existant (sic) standards????" is very revealing of what's foremost in his mind and the minds of many people who hate Obama. Their problem is that Obama is "Black, and a Democrat."

I am not friends with, but I am acquainted with a couple of people (immigrants from one of the Southern states) whose main problem with Obama is that, in their alleged minds, he's an "uppity n****r, and he's in the White House!!" (Snarl, spit, hiss!!).

I—and others—do NOT hold him to a lower standard. I hold him to the same standard that I would hold ANY President, and although I am disappointed that he has not been able to accomplish many things that I wanted him to-—and that he wanted to—I am fully aware that, for the most part, a cold-eyed, pig-headed Republican Congress, hell-bent on obstructing anything and everything he attemptx to do, has prevented him.

Not HIS fault!

Don Firth

P. S. And Goofballupagus follows his usual pattern of not being able to come up with a decent insult of his own, so bereft of creative thought, he has to take those of others, twist them, and throw them back. Dumb!! If there is a rank stench pervading these threads, HE is one of the major sources.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Jun 13 - 11:19 AM

gillymor: "Thank you, Guest too, but I'm merely deflating an overweening gasbag periodically in the interest of public saftey.."

Well now you have a clue of why opinions smell like they do....and really, when you have the need to 'deflate an overweening gasbag periodically', maybe you should excuse yourself, and do it in private.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 15 Jun 13 - 09:00 AM

Thank you, Guest too, but I'm merely deflating an overweening gasbag periodically in the interest of public saftey. Besides it's a pretty soft target. Here's some substance for you to chew on while I'm off camping for a few days, Goofted.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Jun 13 - 04:32 PM

Yeah, i had to give him a bit of credit for being just a bit creative, on that one.....then he disappoints without any further substance.
....and BTW, why are you hiding???

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest too
Date: 14 Jun 13 - 02:36 PM

"Goofted" Ha,ha! He is that. Good one Gillymore.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Jun 13 - 01:48 PM

So,greggie boy, if the President is NOT lying, since HE stated that the information collection is going on, you admit it is, and thus you are calling yourself bullshit??????



Seems like the only reasonable conclusion. Hardly for me to argue you out of such a conclusion- as I think that you ARE full of shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Jun 13 - 01:44 PM

Multiple choice #4: None of the above, BullshitBruce, none of the above.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Jun 13 - 01:00 PM

So, greggie boy, YOU are stating the the President of the US is lying to all of us???


Isn't that what the "Liberals" here wanted to impeach Bush for?


Or is the fact that Obama is "Black, and a Democrat" enough for you to hold him to lower, or non-existant standards????

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Jun 13 - 12:50 PM

the most interesting thing IMO is that the "Left" is so silent (or approving) on the claims that show the present administration was doing

There ya go with the 24-karat horseshit again, Beardy. The "claims" don't "show" jack shit. They are "claims".

Kinda like "claims" that hummans are regularly abducted by space aliens.

Maybe you'd better review your own comments in the Zimmerman thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Jun 13 - 12:40 PM

Just look at what the so-called "liberals" here have posted- insults and claims of bullshit, with NO comment on what they disagree with, NO factual comments about the postings, and NO contribution to the discussion.

In fact, the most interesting thing IMO is that the "Left" is so silent (or approving) on the claims that show the present administration was doing EXACTLY what they ran ( in 2008) on STOPPING. It must be OK, when the correct people do it, and only wrong, evil, and impeachable when the other side does it.

If I ran on stopping X, then continued and expanded doing X, some here might say I had run on a fraudulent promise. But that just could not be- Obama said that he would not lie to us, and would have a transparent and open administration with no lobbyists, right?????????

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Jun 13 - 12:32 PM

Remember this from last month? On the heels of the revelation that the Department of Justice had been snooping on James Rosen's e-mails because of his attempt to gain classified information on the administration's efforts on North Korea from a leaker, Sharyl Attkisson told Chris Stigall on his radio show that her computer had been mysteriously hacked. Attkisson, who has reported on Operation Fast and Furious and Benghazi and sparked ire from the White House while doing do, demurred on the source of the hacking but said CBS News was investigating it.

Erik Wemple reported earlier that CBS has corroborated Attkisson's claim, and that whoever conducted it went after her material:

"A cyber security firm hired by CBS News has determined through forensic analysis that Sharyl Attkisson's computer was accessed by an unauthorized, external, unknown party on multiple occasions late in 2012. Evidence suggests this party performed all access remotely using Attkisson's accounts. While no malicious code was found, forensic analysis revealed an intruder had executed commands that appeared to involve search and exfiltration of data.

This party also used sophisticated methods to remove all possible indications of unauthorized activity, and alter system times to cause further confusion.

CBS News is taking steps to identify the responsible party and their method of access."
Attkisson took to Twitter to report the official statement herself:

What was going on in "late 2012″? Well, that would have been the controversy over the terrorist attack on our consulate in Benghazi. And, checking the record, we see that Attkisson had a very interesting scoop on October 20th, relying on anonymous military sources that called into question the Obama administration's claim that they couldn't have responded in time to assist in the attack:

CBS News has been told that, hours after the attack began, an unmanned Predator drone was sent over the U.S. mission in Benghazi, and that the drone and other reconnaissance aircraft apparently observed the final hours of the protracted battle.

The State Department, White House and Pentagon declined to say what military options were available. A White House official told CBS News that, at the start of the attack, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Martin Dempsey and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta "looked at available options, and the ones we exercised had our military forces arrive in less than 24 hours, well ahead of timelines laid out in established policies."

But it was too late to help the Americans in Benghazi. The ambassador and three others were dead.

A White House official told CBS News that a "small group of reinforcements" was sent from Tripoli to Benghazi, but declined to say how many or what time they arrived.

Retired CIA officer Gary Berntsen believes help could have come much sooner. He commanded CIA counter-terrorism missions targeting Osama bin Laden and led the team that responded after bombings of the U.S. Embassy in East Africa.

"You find a way to make this happen," Berntsen says. "There isn't a plan for every single engagement. Sometimes you have to be able to make adjustments. They made zero adjustments in this. They stood and they watched and our people died."

Until CBS News releases more from its investigation, we won't know who hacked into Attkisson's computer. It could have been a competitor, or someone else with a grudge against her, although one would expect that kind of hack to go after personal details rather than work product. Before the Rosen revelation, the DoJ would hav been unthinkable as a suspect. If I were CBS now, though, I'd be executing a FOIA demand to know whether Eric Holder and the Department of Justice acquired a Rosen-like warrant on Attkisson in the days after that scoop went live.


http://hotair.com/archives/2013/06/14/cbs-news-someone-was-pulling-data-from-sharyl-attkissons-computer/

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Jun 13 - 12:26 PM

Well, it's pretty obvious, that despite Barracko's empty 'promises' and almost slick rhetoric, they DON'T want to get to the bottom of anything...I think they're trying to wait it out, hoping the American public will get tired of it..Nixon did the same thing..in fact, Nixon even stated as much when he said, "Oh, it'll take about two weeks for this to blow over"....referring to "America's attention span of lasting about two weeks"...

Hey, Bruce....I know you take a lot of shit on here, but 'Thank You!' for posting your news items. It's pretty much known, that the 'liberals' don't gravitate to hard news stories, that are critical to 'their'(?) political versions of the Kardasians.

Thank You, and Regards,

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Jun 13 - 11:50 AM

There is no evidence that the FBI has contacted a single tea party group in its criminal investigation of the Internal Revenue Service, according to the groups the IRS abused.

"We have not been contacted by any federal investigative agency and, to date, none of our clients have been contacted or interviewed by the FBI," Jay Sekulow of the American Center for Law and Justice told The Daily Caller on Thursday. The ACLJ has filed suit against the IRS on behalf of 25 conservative groups, with additional groups being added in the next couple weeks, according to a spokesman.

"I have been very surprised that I have not heard from anybody and frankly, none of my clients have. I talk to other tea party leaders on a regular basis," said Cleta Mitchell, the lawyer largely credited with pushing the IRS abuses to the forefront.

"It's been a month and I can't see any evidence of an investigation of the IRS," Mitchell told TheDC Thursday. She represents nine tea party groups targeted by the IRS.

Tea Party Patriots — a group with thousands of local chapters — "has not been contacted by the FBI" either, according to Jameson Cunningham, the group's spokesman.

The revelation suggests that the FBI is in no hurry to get to the bottom of the scandal, despite the Obama administration's promise to investigate the IRS's multi-year abuse of conservative groups.

"Americans are right to be angry about it, and I am angry about it," Obama said in a White House statement on May 15. "I will not tolerate this kind of behavior in any agency but especially in the IRS, given the power that it has and the reach that it has into all of our lives."

Attorney General Eric Holder promised in mid-May that the FBI would get to the bottom of the IRS's behavior by opening a criminal investigation.

"I can assure you and the American people that we will take a dispassionate view of this," Holder told congressional investigators on May 15. "This will not be about parties, this will not be about ideological persuasions. Anybody who has broken the law will be held accountable."

But in separate testimony before congressional investigators Thursday, FBI Director Robert Mueller seemed completely unaware of the progress of any such investigation.

Republican Rep. Jim Jordan lit into Mueller for his lack of knowledge during a House judiciary committee hearing.

"This is the most important issue in front of the country in the last six weeks, and you don't know who the lead investigator is?" Jordan asked, sounding shocked.

"At this juncture, no I do not," Mueller responded.

"Do you know if you've talked to any of the victims?" Jordan went on. "Have you talked to any of the groups that were targeted by their government? Have you met with any of the tea party groups since May 14, 2013?"

"I don't know what the status of the interviews are by the team that's on it," Mueller said.

Reached for comment Thursday afternoon, the FBI's Washington, D.C. press office transferred TheDC to a long-ringing phone line and eventually hung up.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Jun 13 - 11:42 AM

There is little public support for the sweeping and unaccountable nature of the National Security Agency surveillance program along with concerns about how the data will be used.

Fifty-seven percent (57%) of voters nationwide believe it is likely the NSA data will be used by other government agencies to harass political opponents. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that just 30% consider it unlikely and 14% are not sure.


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/june_2013/57_fear_government_will_use_nsa_data_to_haras

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Jun 13 - 09:43 AM

Ah..He's waxing poetic!....Creativity must be rubbing off!
Now all you have to do is tie it in to some sort of relevancy to the topic......come on, you can do it....baby steps at first....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 14 Jun 13 - 07:23 AM

More like goofted.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jun 13 - 10:56 PM

Well, I guess it bears repeating...."Look, screwball..I called it accurate 41/2 - 5 years ago..I ..............BEFORE IT HAPPENED!!!!
...and I have posted plenty more.....precisely...and then I'm supposed to listen to YOU, telling me that I'M the stooge?????
Shove it, buddy!

Personally, I'd think I'd call it 'gifted'.....but then who cares?....I'm not with the party, I'm with the band.....which reminds my Donnie-Babas...stick to music, and the history of the composers. Your political 'analysis' is so far off that it might even fuck up your credibility, in regards to your knowledge of musical stuff...and THAT is about the ONLY thing you have got going for ya'!

As far as Greg, he is both blind and vision-less!...So really, who cares what new name someone tells him to call us....(he really is incapable of an original thought, ya' know?)....

Hoped you liked the music video......

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Jun 13 - 08:32 PM

And, if course, his stooge, Goofball.

Don Fieth

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Jun 13 - 05:48 PM

Another spate of chronic postarrhoea from Beardy, full of sound and fury, signifying horseshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jun 13 - 05:19 PM

..and now for your listening 'entertainment'.....
RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
Enjoy?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from sanity
Date: 13 Jun 13 - 03:36 PM

Some people just take a LONG time to figure it out...some never do!
Now I suppose we'll hear from some of them..but with no salient observations, as to what is REALLY going on!!!

From 29 Aug 2008 - 01:18 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Observations of the Dem. Nat. Convention
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 01:18 AM

Just been reading the posts....some really shallow stuff there! No mention of his accomplishments or his policies that most people think about..or that effect all of us....Any word on dissolving our borders, without even getting the public's feedback..??Same with our currency, and form of money..not a word...immigration....shhhh....getting our rights back, from all that was done in the Bush years(make that Bush, Clinton, Bush,jr,...not to mention the president Bush heaped upon himself the most sweeping, additions of power to the presidency, in our history...is Obama going to get rid of them...or ..(?). Waffling on the middle east??....and just HOW, or what's his plan, specifically to turn the economy around, more than just saying, 'We'll do it'?? And by the way, 'Change'...?..what to?..another form of government, without the will of the people???..the government enacting more 'safeguards' (read: intrusion), into our lives?..Why not?...they tell us we need them to do everything else for us?
And Amos, my dear pal Amos, you should re-read your posts! You sound like a gullible naive, starry eyed adolescent with a jar of Vaseline, as big as a basketball!
Maybe the reason for the stage, being just like the Greek Gods, and just like Bush's...ever stop to think, its run by the same outfit, with a great big propaganda media, to keep us blind, and/or distracted from the real throne of power??? ..of which is not elected??
Anyway..its obvious....all hype, no substance!"

So it looks like Nader isn't alone!.....and I'M the only one???

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 Jun 13 - 02:03 PM

Once upon a time Barack Obama was known as a good speech-giver. That's how he debuted in 2004 and why he almost always relies on a teleprompter; so he can concentrate on the delivery, not the content.
Does he even know how often he rotely says "I am absolutely confident"? Watch him on these day-trip photo ops. This afternoon Boston. Tonight Miami. He's like a tired actor in a long-running Broadway play, reciting the same lines over and over with less and less conviction.
For the big summit with China's new president the other day, America's first lady didn't even bother to go. She sent a letter instead to China's first lady.
Recall last week when Obama had no teleprompter and staff forgot to deliver his speech to the podium? The most powerful man in the world was speechless, literally. Flummoxed. Improv not his thing. Had no idea what to do or say. Reduced to mocking his own staff.

Turns out though, we now know, Obama might sound good. But he's actually an awful communicator.
There've been past signs of this weakness: He and the Mrs. are totally tone-deaf to political optics. Thousands die in Japan's double-tsunami; Obama plays golf. The worst environmental disaster in the nation's history hits the Gulf coast. Obama takes days to visit, weeks to address the country, wife goes to Spain on luxury vacation before the family hits Martha's Vineyard for another.
As unemployment soars and the economy sours, the Chicago crowd parties at the White House with Hollywood glamor pals and bundlers. While three dozen Obama staffers fall a third-of-a-million dollars behind in income taxes.
Now, comes the first year of Obama's second term and the man Bill Clinton once called "the amateur" is flailing, clearly in over his head.
Reduced to saying he didn't know about this scandal or that investigation. Imagine how bad the real reasons must be for the President of the United States to publicly admit he's so badly out of the loop in his own administration. At one point he even talked of the Internal Revenue Service as if the department wasn't his responsibility.
Hello, South Sider. Can you hear me now?
Second terms are problematic for many presidents. Can you say Watergate, Iran-Contra, Monica? But this avalanche of adversity in the 53rd month of Obama's reign is all self-made. Who kept Eric Holder onboard, the first attorney general in history cited for contempt of Congress?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 Jun 13 - 01:27 PM

Ralph Nader last week had some harsh words for the current President of the United States.

Appearing on Democracy Now!, Nader asked host Amy Goodman, "Has there been a bigger con man in the White House than Barack Obama?"

AMY GOODMAN: Let's go to President Obama in February in his State of the Union address calling on Congress to raise the minimum wage to $9.00 an hour from $7.25 and to automatically adjust it with inflation.
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Tonight, let's declare that in the wealthiest nation on Earth, no one who works full-time should have to live in poverty, and raise the federal minimum wage to $9.00 an hour. We should be able to get that done. This single step would raise the incomes of millions of working families. It could mean the difference between groceries or the food bank, rent or eviction, scraping by or finally getting ahead. For businesses across the country, it would mean customers with more money in their pockets. And a whole lot of folks out there would probably need less help from government. In fact, working folks shouldn't have to wait year after year for the minimum wage to go up, while CEO pay has never been higher. So here's an idea that Governor Romney and I actually agreed on last year: Let's tie the minimum wage to the cost of living, so that it finally becomes a wage you can live on.
AMY GOODMAN: So that's President Obama in February in his State of the Union address.
RALPH NADER: Yeah.
AMY GOODMAN: Isn't that what you're calling for?
RALPH NADER: Yeah, has there—has there been a bigger con man in the White House than Barack Obama? He hasn't lifted a finger since he made those statements. And when he made the statements in the 2008 campaign, he said nothing for four years on raising the minimum wage. He made no pressure on Congress. He hasn't even unleashed people in his own White House on this issue.

As Andrew Kirell observed Thursday, this wasn't the first time Nader referred to Obama as a con man. He did so in 2010.

Readers are advised that Nader made these recent comments on June 4 prior to Edward Snowden's revelations concerning the National Security Agency reviewing everyone's phone records.

Imagine what Nader might say about Obama now.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jun 13 - 01:17 PM

Great!!..Gillymor posts that he doesn't even read the post, but he claims to 'get the gist of them'..in other words, he's to asleep and lazy to even think..which is EXACTLY what my post said, and now he brags with great 'pride' that he is too ignorant to even know what he's talking about!...Need you say more??

Same with Greg F...: No, Beardy, when you post bullshit- as you invariably do - that you claim as "facts" we ignore it."

You ignore his posts....counter with NOTHING..and then expect ANYONE to 'respect' your point of view...which no one know what it is!
Your dreamin'...go back to sleep.....personally, I don't know how you type, with your fingers up your butt!

If you have a position, post it...if not, then it's YOUR POSTS that should be completely ignored!...you don't say anything anyway!

Either that, or tune up your strings, and play a pantomime!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Jun 13 - 12:44 PM

When we post facts, you ignore them because *WE* post them

No, Beardy, when you post bullshit- as you invariably do - that you claim as "facts" we ignore it.

Because its bullshit. Not because your "We" posts them.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 Jun 13 - 12:36 PM

"My point being that I can't take anything you and BB post seriously due to your obsessive hatred for liberals and President Obama."


Yet all here seemed just fine with the" obsessive hatred for conservatives and President Bush" in other threads.


When we post facts, you ignore them because *WE* post them

When we post opinions, YOU do not allow that anyone might think differently about something than you do.


What a bunch of hypocritical bigots.

But my opinion of Liberals has only been verified by your posts.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 13 Jun 13 - 12:27 PM

Goofus, I confess I didn't read your last post but I think I got the gist of it anyway: "Liberal hypocrites blah,blah,blah. Democrats same as republicans blah, blah,blah."
Feel free to copy and paste that for all your future posts, save you a lot of typing. My point being that I can't take anything you and BB post seriously due to your obsessive hatred for liberals and President Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jun 13 - 12:03 PM

Gillymor,..Hey 'pal', you go back through my posts, and you'll find I've been ahead of the 'partisan talking points curve'..even calling stuff BEFORE it happened...and what do you and some of your 'so-called liberals' have??..nothin!.. but whining, some name calling, and feeble attempts at slurring people, who, by the way, are not all the time 'conservatives' or Republicans. You guys get a notion in your heads, that tranquilizes you into your own little comfort zone, and then fuck with anyone who tries to awaken you out of your self induced slumbers....and, of course, like sleeping lazy fools, you start bitching at anyone trying to wake you up, so you can pull the wool back over your own eyes, and fall back to sleep!..Problem is, you've all been administered the same sleeping pill...called 'talking point propaganda'!!!.....so drowsily, you rub your eyes, grumble a few 'non-facts', and call some names, and sloppy insults, and think you've accomplished something...but state NOTHING!
scroll back over almost any thread, and look.....and then you all scratch your butts, and wonder why folk music has no more impact!
......It's because your bullshit is irrelevant, and boring. You don't have to agree with everything, but for goodness sakes, at least make an attempt at trying to THINK!
Firth is a bit of an exception...he does think...he thinks everyone should be in awe of his infinite wisdom and knowledge, and admire him, for making bullshit sound so elitist, and sophisticated.....it's like trying to make mousse out of old dogshit!...just whip it up and spin it around!...serve it up, and the stray cats come rushing to it!!...and lick it up with great delight!
What's your excuse? You do music,(allegedly), you write??.....having a bit of a writer's block??....Start exercising your mind! Think outside the box, which has been 'neatly provided for you' by 'talking point parrots'..but it's really only mousse flavored dog crap.
Give a position on what you think, or perceive, instead of whining about having to impress someone, about a position, that you can't seem to articulate!
Fair enough?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 13 Jun 13 - 11:03 AM

In a broader sense you negate your own posts, BB. I see your name at the top and I know this guy has a hard-on for our most excellent, if imperfect , president. Like your fellow traveller goofus, your reputation precedes you.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 Jun 13 - 09:34 AM

"Trust me" is President Barack Obama's preferred mode of action in times of crisis — and his go-to comment to nervous staffers has always been some version of "Relax, I got this."
But that message is an increasingly hard sell for Obama in his second term, following revelations that the man who once railed against the Bush administration over civil liberties abuses has himself surreptitiously quarterbacked the greatest expansion of electronic surveillance in U.S. history.

Obama's trust problems

Obama: 'Nobody is listening to your telephone calls'

Obama's call for trust, patience and near blanket secrecy is increasingly falling on deaf ears in his own party, spurring a backlash among Democrats who say it's time for the "most transparent president in history" to provide the American people with a comprehensive explanation of a secret program that dragnets most phone records and much of the Internet.

So far, Obama and his aides have resisted that call: He's intent on defending the national security powers of the presidency and simply believes that nobody alive has his unique capacity — as a chief executive and law professor — to strike the appropriate balance between civil liberties and public safety, according to people close to him.
But Obama's own allies say his day of reckoning is nigh.
"The president or his people need to be more forthcoming. … Look, we understand the need for secrecy, I get it, but the fact is we also need a lot more transparency on the process," said Sen. Mark Begich (D-Alaska), who has joined a bipartisan group of eight senators in calling on the White House to declassify legal decisions that allowed the wide-net phone and Internet surveillance revealed in bombshell stories by the U.K.-based Guardian and The Washington Post last week.

"I'm not sure people are confident that the administration has this totally under control," he told POLITICO. "It seems that there's something new every day — the IRS, this — and that's giving people lack of confidence in government. … This is the kind of stuff people used to only see in the movies, that the government can listen to everybody's calls."
Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), who called for a re-examination of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the 1978 law on which the the surveillance is based, told MSNBC that the White House had created the system with "secret legal interpretations" and had given "the public no chance to examine it."
Obama is both a constitutional law professor and a commander in chief, and those dueling identities seem to be arm-wrestling since a pair of bombshell reports that he had OK'd the collection of nearly all the country's cell phone data and that he expanded a Bush-era program that trawled the Internet for foreign-linked terrorist activity.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/challenging-obama-knows-best-transparency-nsa-92624.html#ixzz2W6RijjpH

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 Jun 13 - 08:11 AM

Since the Liberal contingent has not been able to provide any factual basis to negate my posts, and has been using ad homonym arguments, indicating they have nothing valid to say, I will presume that Bobert is incorrect-

"Righties don't do facts, Greg... It's not in their DNA..."


It has been shown by their own postings that it is the Left posting here that is incapable of factual argument, but I do not know if it is the training in false belief or some genetic failing that causes it.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 Jun 13 - 08:06 AM

And aren't the JUDGES supposed to decide points of law, NOT the politicians who gain by their own interpretations?



P. S. Gee, Donnie boy, aren't FACTS damned inconvenient?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 Jun 13 - 08:05 AM

"McDermott, feeling that the voters had a right to know how their elected officials were behaving, turned a copy of the tape over to the press.

John Boehner filed a law suit, and for some cockamamie reason, the court ruled against McDermott!"



It happens to be against US Law to tape radio transmissions and use them for gain. Check the FCC rules. I can listen all I want- IF I send the tapes to the press, I am in violation of the FCC rules.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Jun 13 - 11:18 PM

Greg F: "Gee, GuestInsanity, I'm sure that Limp-Dick Beardy is appreciative of you jumping in with more of your usu8al worthless horseshit to support his usual worthless horseshit."

Well that's about three times on this page of the thread you've managed to go with 'worthless horseshit', and 'limp dick Beardy'...which certainly indicate that I was correct...you really aren't capable of an original thought, are you?
I was hoping there would have been more creative, and insightful people on here.....you really are a disappointment....PLUS, we've only listen to you piss and moan and call names.....do you actually have a point of view????
If so, post it....because the impression you're giving is stereotypical of a whiny, sniveling, 'cat calling', wimp, who is somehow opposed to learning anything.....in other words, a 'so-called liberal'....(that's not to be confused with a real one, with a real political point of view!).

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Jun 13 - 08:24 PM

Dante.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Jun 13 - 08:00 PM

Yo, Hawk! Blow me!