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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Greg F. Date: 02 Jun 10 - 06:41 PM Oh, yeah- the NY Post- Ol' Rupe Murdock the Bullshit King. I wouldn't believe ANY of his rags if they said the world was round. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Jun 10 - 03:48 PM Ho. Ho. Bruce, I doubt that even Josef Goebbels could have come up with a more ludicrous line of self-justifying doubletalk and sheer, utter nonsense than that to justify his country's right to "defend itself against aggression" in 1939-40. It's tantamount to the wolf complaining that the sheep are going after him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: beardedbruce Date: 02 Jun 10 - 03:10 PM Anti-Israel sharks sniff O's weakness Last Updated: 9:15 AM, June 2, 2010 Posted: 3:48 AM, June 2, 2010 Michael Goodwin In the aftermath of the Gaza flotilla fiasco, the air is thick with nonsense. Chief among the instant myths is that Israel has created a dilemma for President Obama. Actually, it's the other way around. The president's appeasement policies helped to create the incident. Israel took the bait, but the trap was set in Washington. Weakness always begets aggression, and, like clockwork, Obama's repeated signals that he is weakening America's commitment to Israel are emboldening the Jewish state's enemies. From Syria to Iran to Lebanon, from Hezbollah to Hamas and the PLO, the wolves smell blood and are trying to gauge whether they can get close enough for the kill. see more videos And whether the United States will stop them. That they even dare hope we won't reflects the danger of Obama's demented decisions. The huge flotilla is the latest example of the open-season mania, with the result that Israel is under international siege -- for defending itself. And, not incidentally, for defending an embargo on Gaza that Washington supports. Obama says he wants the facts of the incident, but let's hope he also wants the truth, even if it is inconvenient to his worldview. The first fact is that the flotilla was not really a humanitarian effort. The compassion claim was a fig leaf for the political aim of busting the 3-year-old maritime blockade, as organizers admitted last week. They knew they would not be allowed to dock in Gaza, but still rejected Israel's offer to unload the goods in Israeli ports and, after inspection, truck them overland. At least a few of the passengers were armed. "We're trying to break the blockade of the Gaza Strip and tell the world that Israel has no right to starve 1.5 million Palestinians," Greta Berlin, the head of an organization called Free Gaza Movement, said in typical exaggeration to a British newspaper. Her group's boats were turned away before, but they vowed not to be stopped this time. "The previous boats were making a statement -- these boats will be making a real impact," Berlin said four days before the launch. Israel, of course, is not exempt from criticism for what was clearly a bungled effort. Incredibly, given what they knew beforehand about the intent of the activists, its military leaders sent in only a handful of lightly armed commandos who were easy targets as they slid down ropes from helicopters. Yet it's also fair to ask where Obama was while the problem was building. Even if he was too busy with the oil disaster in the Gulf, where was the secretary of state? It was long clear the flotilla had the potential to cause a regional ruckus, but Washington watched it unfold like a spectator. Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/anti_israel_sharks_sniff_weakness_n5AbqK6bk6NHcy6qEWK5jJ#ixzz0piy4d0ge |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Jun 10 - 01:42 PM "Obama's socialism?????????" Don't make me laugh. ;-) The Right (and the center) in America wouldn't know socialism if it fell on them off a 10 story building and landed 3 feet in front of their noses. Obama isn't socialist. And he isn't radical either. He's middle of the road, conventional, a bit right of center. Standard fare, in other words. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Greg F. Date: 02 Jun 10 - 01:40 PM Conservatives are so enraged at Obama's socialism and radicalism... No need to read further- no point reading an author capable of this degree of idiocy and delusion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: beardedbruce Date: 02 Jun 10 - 01:31 PM "Morris: Obama doesn't have a clue By Dick Morris - 06/01/10 07:03 PM ET Conservatives are so enraged at Obama's socialism and radicalism that they are increasingly surprised to learn that he is incompetent as well. The sight of his blithering and blustering while the most massive oil spill in history moves closer to America's beaches not only reminds one of Bush's terrible performance during Katrina, but calls to mind Jimmy Carter's incompetence in the face of the hostage crisis. America is watching the president alternate between wringing his hands in helplessness and pointing his finger in blame when he should be solving the most pressing environmental problem America has faced in the past 50 years. We are watching generations of environmental protection swept away as marshes, fisheries, vacation spots, recreational beaches, wetlands, hatcheries and sanctuaries fall prey to the oil spill invasion. And, all the while, the president acts like a spectator, interrupting his basketball games only to excoriate BP for its failure to contain the spill. The political fallout from the oil spill will, indeed, spill across party and ideological lines. The environmentalists of America cannot take heart from a president so obviously ignorant about how to protect our shores and so obstinately arrogant that he refuses to inform himself and take any responsibility. All of this explains why the oil spill is seeping into his ratings among Democrats, dragging him down to levels we have not seen since Bush during the pit of the Iraq war. Conservatives may dislike Obama because he is a leftist. But liberals are coming to dislike him because he is not a competent progressive. Meanwhile, the nation watches nervously as the same policies Obama has brought to our nation are failing badly and publicly in Europe. When Moody's announces that it is considering downgrading bonds issued by the government of the United States of America, we find ourselves, suddenly, in deep trouble. We have had deficits before. But never have they so freaked investors that a ratings agency considered lowering its opinion of our solvency. Not since Alexander Hamilton assumed the states' Revolutionary War debt has America's willingness and ability to meet its financial obligations been as seriously questioned. And the truth begins to dawn on all of us: Obama has no more idea how to work his way out of the economic mess into which his policies have plunged us than he does about how to clean up the oil spill that is destroying our southern coastline. Both the financial crisis and the oil come ever closer to our shores — one from the east and the other from the south — and, between them, they loom as a testament to the incompetence of our government and of its president. And, oddly, to his passivity as well. After pursuing a remarkably activist, if misguided and foolhardy, agenda, Obama seems not to know what to do and finds himself consigned to the roles of observer and critic. America is getting the point that its president doesn't have a clue. He doesn't know how to stop the oil from spilling. He is bereft of ideas about how to create jobs in the aftermath of the recession. He has no idea how to keep the European financial crisis contained. He has no program for repaying the massive debt hole into which he has dug our nation without tax increases he must know will only deepen the pit. Some presidents have failed because of their stubbornness (Johnson and Bush-43). Others because of their character flaws (Clinton and Nixon). Still others because of their insensitivity to domestic problems (Bush-41). But now we have a president who is failing because he is incompetent. It is Jimmy Carter all over again. Who would have thought that this president, so anxious to lead us and so focused on his specific agenda and ideas, would turn out not to know what he is doing? Morris, a former adviser to Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.) and President Bill Clinton, is the author of Outrage, Fleeced and Catastrophe. To get all of his and Eileen McGann's columns for free by e-mail or to order a signed copy of their latest book, 2010: Take Back America — A Battle Plan, go to dickmorris.com. In August, Morris became a strategist for the League of American Voters, which is running ads opposing the president's healthcare reforms." http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/dick-morris/100913-obama-doesnt-have-a-clue |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: mousethief Date: 02 Jun 10 - 01:10 PM I agree, Greg, but the possibility of that happening is nil. The political will in the US just isn't there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Greg F. Date: 02 Jun 10 - 08:44 AM No, the REAL problem is that the Obama Administration - like every U.S. administration of the last 60 years- has been way too tolerant of Israel' pig-headedness. What he should have done, and still should do, is threaten to stop US aid to Isreal unless the government becomes rational & reasonable. That would probably get their attention, since without continuimng US support, Israel would cease to exist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: beardedbruce Date: 01 Jun 10 - 01:55 PM WashPo "Obama, Netanyahu and the Free Gaza flotilla If the Obama administration had been skillful in managing its relationship with the difficult Israeli government of Benjamin Netanyahu, it would have some room to maneuver in responding to Israel's disastrous attack on the Free Gaza flotilla. Netanyahu's decision to use military force to stop boats populated with European and American notables, and, even more, the bloody execution of the operation, are indefensible -- and are being described as such today by Israel's own press. If there were no cracks in the relationship with Jerusalem, Obama could join in the criticism, while quietly working to restrain the UN Security Council from a lynch-mob-style response, and without casting doubt on the willingness of the U.S. to defend the Jewish state from a growing multitude of enemies. But Obama has not handled Netanyahu well. So the White House's cautious initial response to the incident -- even as Israel was being beaten up by its closest friends in Europe -- reflected a deeper dilemma about how much more tension an already strained alliance can bear. The problem is that Obama has already exhausted his margin for quarreling with Israel -- so much so that a White House session with Netanyahu had been planned for today as a make-up meeting. The session was cancelled, replaced by frantic phone conversations between White House and Israeli officials over whether a common response to the latest crisis was possible. Hanging over the administration's deliberations are the gratuitous spats with Netanyahu that Obama has blundered into. Twice the president chose to launch pointless and unwinable battles to freeze Israeli settlement construction in Jerusalem. These served only to complicate his Middle East diplomacy, while alienating Israel's supporters in Congress and the Democratic Party. Just last week, Obama chose to side against Israel in the final deliberations of the Non-Proliferation Treaty review conference. In pursuit of one of the president's most cherished causes, the United States accepted language calling on Israel to join the NPT and supporting a conference in 2013 on a nuclear-free Middle East. Netanyahu's government was left alone in its opposition. Consequently, the question Israeli officials are asking about the Gaza crisis is "will Israel be alone -- again?" It won't be easy for Obama to answer. Another public rift between the United States and Israel is the last thing the White House needs as it tries to wrest concessions from Netanyahu in Middle East peace talks -- and as midterm elections approach. But defending Israel in and outside the United Nations will risk a rift with Turkey, not to mention Arab states, at the moment when the administration is hoping to win broad support for a new Security Council resolution on Iran. Obama would be in this bind regardless of what he had done in the last year. But his missteps have made it worse -- and getting out of it will require more diplomatic finesse than his administration had mustered until now. " |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Amos Date: 31 May 10 - 11:12 AM Tom Toles, the respected Washington Post cartoonist, offers these remarks: "Fancy-pantsy sycophancy Okay, if you're looking for yet another occasion to howl at my cluelessness, here you go. Obama. Might as well get to him now as later. A commenter or two responded to mentions I've made of President Obama with replies that suggested that it was essentially SELF-EVIDENT what a terrible president he has been. Allow me to differ. I had great hopes for him during the campaign. Now hard reality has had a chance to work its magic at destroying magic, and things look different. I like Obama even BETTER now. I think Obama has a good shot at being the best president of my lifetime. He brings a clarity of analysis to problems that I think is unbeatable. I think he prioritizes problems in order of consequence to the country and has tackled harder stuff than he is given credit for. His execution skills are at least pretty decent, and may prove to be exceptional. Time will tell on that. Interesting that the critique of him has changed from HAPLESS, Jimmy Carter-style, to BIGFOOT, Sasquatch-style, now that he's actually passed some things. FOOL, or MONSTER? Sorry, none of the above, here. The surprise for me is the NO DRAMA part, which I didn't appreciate during the campaign, but I do now. Far enough out on the limb, am I? Yes, I have my issues with him and will have more, and I reserve the right to disavow some or all of this, in cartoons and otherwise. But here I am, and there you are. Howl away if you like. --Tom Toles ***" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Greg F. Date: 30 May 10 - 06:27 PM Agreed, Mouse- I'm not saying I'd welcome that eventuality simply to prove a point. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: mousethief Date: 30 May 10 - 03:11 PM [i]Deo volens[/i] may that be a long, long time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Greg F. Date: 30 May 10 - 12:54 PM Well, Douggie, there's "changing one's mind" and then there's opportunistic, self-serving vicar-of-Bray type bullshit. Let's wait & see what your expressed opinion of polls is next time there's a BuShite or a Republican in the White House. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: DougR Date: 30 May 10 - 12:41 PM That's an interesting spread, Amos. Greg F.: You must live a very stilted life if you never changed your opinion of something. Perhaps that has something to do with your limited (F.O.) vocabulary? DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Amos Date: 30 May 10 - 11:07 AM Poll Date Sample Approve Disapprove Spread RCP Average 5/15 - 5/27 -- 47.4 46.1 +1.3 Rasmussen Reports 5/25 - 5/27 1500 LV 48 52 -4 Gallup 5/25 - 5/27 1547 A 45 47 -2 CBS News 5/20 - 5/24 1054 A 47 43 +4 Quinnipiac 5/19 - 5/24 1914 RV 48 43 +5 CNN/Opinion 5/21 - 5/23 1023 A 51 46 +5 NBC News 5/20 - 5/23 700 A 48 45 +3 FOX News 5/18 - 5/19 900 RV 45 46 -1 Democracy Corps 5/15 - 5/18 1000 RV 47 47 Tie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Greg F. Date: 30 May 10 - 10:47 AM And what about your flip-flop on polls, Douggie? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Greg F. Date: 30 May 10 - 10:46 AM I'll save you the trouble: mousethief, Fuck off. Ah, c'mon, Mouse, that's unworthy of you - not once did I direct that phrase at you. I reserve it solely for His Illustrious Eminence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Amos Date: 30 May 10 - 09:27 AM The RCP tally sheet, Doug, INCLUDES Rasmussen and six othe rmajor polls. That's why its better. They are all highly respected yadayada, sure. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: mousethief Date: 30 May 10 - 01:55 AM And one for how to spell "subtraction". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: DougR Date: 30 May 10 - 01:47 AM Really, Amos? And who died and declared that YOUR source is the super dooper polling service and the only one that can be trusted? The Rasmussen Poll is a highly respected polling organization whose results are reported by both liberal and conservative media outlets. Greg F.: If you search online, you probably can find a educational website that will lead you to a source for learning substraction and how to read polls. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Amos Date: 29 May 10 - 11:23 PM Except, Doug that you are cherrypicking the worsty of the cvarious polls and ignoring my oft-cited Real Clear Politics national averages of the national sentiment. Only to be expected--we are fallible critturs and we project our wishes for good or ill on the world around us. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: mousethief Date: 29 May 10 - 11:20 PM Oooh, did Doug change his mind? There's nothing the slavering right hates more than people capable of evaluating evidence. I'll save you the trouble: mousethief, Fuck off. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Greg F. Date: 29 May 10 - 09:40 PM Right you are, Douggie-Boy! The opinion of the other 32% of the population doesn't signify. Lies, damned lies, and statistics. And what about your flip-flop, Douggie? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Bobert Date: 29 May 10 - 07:45 PM Yeah, Saws.... Great!!! A two thousand year old plan on what to do with oil spills??? Yeah, that's a grwat starting point... Okay, it was 1968... Whta's the difference... We weren't doing deep water drilling in 1968... But don't let that fact interfer with yer fuzzy thinkin'... The big diff is that Bush's "National Response Plan" was Bush's... It was some dusty plan in some file cabinet from the dark ages... It was 100% Bush's... Katrina showed that it wasn't a plan at all... Millions of tax dollars down the drain for what??? Zip, is what!!! But, saws, seein' as you think you know more about everything in the universe about everything in the universe, please tell US where in the 1968 plan it tells US how to stop this deep water leak??? Can ya do that??? I don't think so 'er it would have been done... Now we learn that BP says the "top kill" hasn't worked??? Geeze, I think BP has become the pathological liein' corportaion of the world... Make Dick Cheney look like a Boy Scout... Me thinks we need a "top kill" at BP... Maybe with s side order of junk shot... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: DougR Date: 29 May 10 - 06:39 PM So, Greg F., you can add! Can you subtract? The Rasmussen Poll's Daily Tracking involves subtracting the larger number from the smaller one. If you have a problem with subtraction, the figure is -12. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Greg F. Date: 29 May 10 - 06:09 PM Guess Douggie also flunked math- for him 40+28=100 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Greg F. Date: 29 May 10 - 06:07 PM Anyone else recall Douggie's constant mantra during the tenure of his BuShite heroes that opinion polls were utter nonsense that no-one should pay attention to? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Sawzaw Date: 29 May 10 - 06:00 PM all we've heard outta Bobby Jingle is, "We need more federal government" From: Bobert - PM Date: 26 Jul 06 - 09:36 PM "We need everything you've got..." Memo written to Bush by Gov. Blanco |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Stringsinger Date: 29 May 10 - 04:58 PM The election of Obama underscores a point that those who have the talent and ability to get elected may not have the same executive abilities to govern. In Obama's case, this remains to be seen. He could take the reins as did FDR and become one of our best presidents. At present, he is too compliant with the GOP, Wall Street financiers and his military advisors. He needs to implement a stronger vision that curtails corporate malfeasance, a useless set of "wars" and a willingness to take on those who adamantly oppose him. His rhetoric at this point doesn't match his actions but that could change. At the very least, it's nice to have someone who is articulate and educated in the White House. Obama, in the words of George Lakoff, needs to embrace "empathy". Guiliani has debased this with his cynical sneering. True democracy cares about the people it serves. If the GOP makes any headway in the next election, this will spell a catastrophe for our country. I hope Obama doesn't alienate his base and those who put him in office. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: DougR Date: 29 May 10 - 12:45 PM The Rasmussen Poll reported today that it's Tracking Poll for Friday (May 29,2010)shows the following. Twenty-eight percent (28%) of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty percent (40%)Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a presidential approval rating of -12. Obama has "enjoyed" a steady increase in the number of voters who strongly DISAPPROVE (my emphasis)of his performance since June of 2009. On the day of his inaguration, Obama enjoyed the following rating: Strongly Approve: 44%. Strongly Disapprove: 16%. I think that pretty well sums up what the "Popular Views: the Obama Administration to date is. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Sawzaw Date: 29 May 10 - 12:00 PM CFR 300.317 Establishes national priorities for responding to a release: The response must use all necessary containment and removal tactics in a coordinated manner to ensure a timely, effective response that minimizes adverse impact to the environment. All parts of this national response strategy should be addressed concurrently, but safety and stabilization are the highest priorities. The OSC should not delay containment and removal decisions unnecessarily and should take actions to minimize adverse impact to the environment that begins as soon as a discharge occurs, as well as actions to minimize further adverse environmental impact from additional discharges. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Sawzaw Date: 29 May 10 - 11:50 AM Another Bobert Fairy tale: Ain't np "National Respinse Plan" The National Oil and Hazardous Substances Pollution Contingency Plan, more commonly called the National Contingency Plan or NCP, is the federal government's blueprint for responding to oil spills and hazardous substance releases. The National Contingency Plan is the result of our country's efforts to develop a national response capability and promote overall coordination among the hierarchy of responders and contingency plans. The first National Contingency Plan was developed and published in 1968 in response to a massive oil spill from the oil tanker Torrey Canyon off the coast of England the year before. More than 37 million gallons of crude oil spilled into the water, causing massive environmental damage. To avoid the problems faced by response officials involved in this incident, U.S. officials developed a coordinated approach to cope with potential spills in U.S. waters. The 1968 plan provided the first comprehensive system of accident reporting, spill containment, and cleanup, and established a response headquarters, a national reaction team, and regional reaction teams. §300.110 Establishes the National Response Team and its roles and responsibilities in the National Response system, including planning and coordinating responses to major discharges of oil or hazardous waste, providing guidance to Regional Response Teams, coordinating a national program of preparedness planning and response, and facilitating research to improve response activities. EPA serves as the lead agency within the National Response Team (NRT). §300.115 Establishes the Regional Response Teams and their roles and responsibilities in the National Response System, including, coordinating preparedness, planning, and response at the regional level. The RRT consists of a standing team made up of representatives of each federal agency that is a member of the NRT, as well as state and local government representatives, and also an incident-specific team made up of members of the standing team that is activated for a response. The RRT also provides oversight and consistency review for area plans within a given region. §300.120 Establishes general responsibilities of federal On-Scene Coordinators. §300.125(a) Requires notification of any discharge or release to the National Response Center through a toll-free telephone number. The National Response Center (NRC) acts as the central clearinghouse for all pollution incident reporting. §300.135(a) Authorizes the predesignated On-Scene Coordinator to direct all federal, state, and private response activities at the site of a discharge. §300.135(d) Establishes the unified command structure for managing responses to discharges through coordinated personnel and resources of the federal government, the state government, and the responsible party. §300.165 Requires the On-Scene Coordinator to submit to the RRT or NRT a report on all removal actions taken at a site. §300.170 Identifies the responsibilities for federal agencies that may be called upon during response planning and implementation to provide assistance in their respective areas of expertise consistent with the agencies' capabilities and authorities. §300.175 Lists the federal agencies that have duties associated with responding to releases. §300.210 Defines the objectives, authority, and scope of Federal Contingency Plans, including the National Contingency Plan (NCP), Regional Contingency Plans (RCPs), and Area Contingency Plans (ACPs). Oil Removals §300.317 Establishes national priorities for responding to a release. §300.320 Establishes the general pattern of response to be executed by the On-Scene Coordinator (OSC), including determination of threat, classification of the size and type of the release, notification of the RRT and the NRC, and supervision of thorough removal actions. §300.322 Authorizes the OSC to determine whether a release poses a substantial threat to the public health or welfare of the United States based on several factors, including the size and character of the discharge and its proximity to human populations and sensitive environments. In such cases, the OSC is authorized to direct all federal, state, or private response and recovery actions. The OSC may enlist the support of other federal agencies or special teams. §300.323 Provides special consideration to discharges which have been classified as a spill of national significance. In such cases, senior federal officials direct nationally-coordinated response efforts. §300.324 Requires the OSC to notify the National Strike Force Coordination Center (NSFCC) in the event of a worst case discharges, defined as the largest foreseeable discharge in adverse weather conditions. The NSFCC coordinates the acquisition of needed response personnel and equipment. The OSC also must require implementation of the worst case portion of the tank vessel and Facility Response Plans and the Area Contingency Plan. §300.355 Provides funding for responses to oil releases under the Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund, provided certain criteria are met. The responsible party is liable for federal removal costs and damages as detailed in section 1002 of the Oil Pollution Act (OPA). Federal agencies assisting in a response action may be reimbursed. Several other federal agencies may provide financial support for removal actions. Subpart J Establishes the NCP Product Schedule, which contains dispersants and other chemical or biological products that may be used in carrying out the NCP. Authorization for the use of these products is conducted by Regional Response Teams and Area Committees, or by the OSC in consultation with EPA representatives. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: mousethief Date: 28 May 10 - 07:39 PM The recent teabagger whinge is that Obama is going to go to Chicago over the Mem Day weekend rather than attend a ceremony at Arlington. This proves he doesn't love his country. Bush dodging out of his service in the air national guard of course does not prove any such thing about him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Bobert Date: 28 May 10 - 07:23 PM Well, yeah, bb... Bush did blow it... But Katrine and this oil spill ain't excatly the same critter... Ya' see, Katrina involved deploying techology and resources that we had a 100% working knowledge of how they worked and how to deploy them... I mean, it was rescue, housing, food, medical care, etc... Ain't much rocket surgery involved with dealing with the effects of a hurrican... Lotta will power tho and there's where Bush failed... The oil spill is unchartered territory... Ain't np "National Respinse Plan", ain't no how=to=book, ain't really no historical equivalent... Yeah, Jimmy Carvelle can jump up and down and ain't gonna mean nuthin' in the real world... Plus, Jimmy hates Obama anyway fro beatin' out Hillary... Everyone knows that Carvelle is a Clintonite... I mean, what the hell to all these crybabies think Obama can do??? Oh sure, he could have grandstanded... Maybe got a little FEMA trailer and moved to Lousiana and gone out every day and cleaned birds or pitched sand or filled snad bags... Yeah, he could have done that... Wall Street would have loved for him to have done that because it would mean that he wasn't in DC making calls and twistin' arms to bring some sane financial regs... But, no, Obama sent several cabinet level people to Lousinan and has been in daily contact with them since the oli spill... But anything short of diving down and pluging it himself the Repubs won't be happy... They will try to make political hay out of it and, as per usual, doing a purdy good job... Problme is that the upcoming elections are more a referendum on the role of the federal government as so far with the oil spill all we've heard outta Bobby Jingle is, "We need more federal government"??? I mean, the Repubs want it both ways... Thay want less government until they need it and then they can't get enough??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Little Hawk Date: 28 May 10 - 06:58 PM Of course. What president does not pay a political price when things like this happen? It's guaranteed. No politician wants a major environmental disaster to occur on his watch. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: beardedbruce Date: 28 May 10 - 04:52 PM "Mary Landrieu: President Obama will pay politically for spill The La. senator says the president will pay a political price his lack of visibility in the Gulf region during the catastrophic BP oil spill. AP Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) said Thursday that President Barack Obama will pay a political price for his lack of visibility in the Gulf region during the catastrophic BP oil spill. "The president has not been as visible as he should have been on this, and he's going to pay a political price for it, unfortunately," Landrieu told POLITICO. "But he's going down tomorrow, he's made some good announcements today, and if he personally steps up his activity, I think that would be very helpful." Landrieu's comments came as Obama spoke to reporters in the East Room of the White House, defending his administration's response to the ecological disaster. The president plans to head to the Gulf to inspect the oil spill on Friday. "Those who think that we were either slow in our responses or lacked urgency don't know the facts," Obama said Thursday. "This has been our highest priority since this crisis occurred." "The federal government is fully engaged, and I'm fully engaged," Obama said. But Landrieu, who is seeing her home state's economy decimated by the spill, said she's "absolutely not" satisfied with the administration's response so far. She added, though, that Thad Allen, the former Coast Guard commandant who is overseeing the response to the spill, has support from Republicans and Democrats "across the board." Obama has come in for bipartisan criticism from Louisiana. Gov. Bobby Jindal, a Republican, has faulted the White House effort, while Louisiana native James Carville, a Democratic strategist who helped run President Bill Clinton's 1992 presidential campaign, has also been critical of Obama's response, recently calling it "lackadaisical." Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37878.html#ixzz0pG9LHxfc " |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: beardedbruce Date: 28 May 10 - 04:48 PM "Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert - PM Date: 21 Nov 05 - 10:52 PM .... Don't matter if Bush likes the DHS or not... He is the CEO and this was part of his job description and he blew it!!!! ....." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: beardedbruce Date: 28 May 10 - 04:20 PM Amos, What, you mean expecting a Black Democratic president to be judged the same way that you judged a Republican president? I guess that is asking too much... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Amos Date: 28 May 10 - 04:12 PM Sawz: You and BB really deserve each other, being of so kindred a turn of mind. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Sawzaw Date: 28 May 10 - 03:59 PM Obama's Katrina? NPR As a thick blanket of ugly crude flows onto beaches and into sensitive marshes in Louisiana, the president and his administration find themselves in deepening water in Washington. While patience with BP wears thin, the White House continues to rely on the oil giant to stop the gusher in the Gulf of Mexico and clean up the mess it's created. Why, critics ask, when BP has already failed repeatedly? Meanwhile, state and local officials complain bitterly that the federal government's been too slow to send the equipment needed to contain the gigantic spill and too bureaucratic to quickly approve the alternate methods needed to protect the coastline. Then there are questions about the scandal-ridden federal agency that might have prevented this disaster in the first place. More and more people ask: Is this Obama's Katrina? ..... Yer doin' a good job, Barry. Section 311 of the federal Clean Water Act: |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Sawzaw Date: 28 May 10 - 01:46 PM Carville rolls Obama under da bus |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Little Hawk Date: 27 May 10 - 11:03 PM Whaddya mean, maple seeds are bad, Bobert??? The chimpmunks here seem to love them. Word on the back lawn is you don't know squat about maple seeds. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Amos Date: 27 May 10 - 10:45 PM Bruce: Sorry, I was reading the earlier WaPo piece in which the quote was "He appeared not to know...". Thank you SO much for correcting my misapprehension. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Bobert Date: 27 May 10 - 09:49 PM Not only that, mouse, but at least one head has rolled so far... That never happend with Bush... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: mousethief Date: 27 May 10 - 09:21 PM Obama admits he made a mistake -- WHILE STILL IN OFFICE. When did Bush do that? It's nice to have a real human being as president rather than a puppet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Bobert Date: 27 May 10 - 08:46 PM You got some bad reportin', LH... Maple seeds are so bad that even squirrels pass 'um up... Oh, that's right... These are red, as in commie, squirrels... Yeah, commie squirrels will eat anything and say it's good... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Little Hawk Date: 27 May 10 - 08:40 PM Word on the roof is, the maple seeds taste great! (this report just in from my Red Squirrels...) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: beardedbruce Date: 27 May 10 - 07:58 PM "That's why Obama's admission that he was clueless on this question was shocking. " |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: beardedbruce Date: 27 May 10 - 07:55 PM Amos, Are you now claiming that Obama's statements of what he knows are just opinion, and not fact? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: GUEST,beardedbruce Date: 27 May 10 - 07:14 PM Amos- "It is kind of typical of this kind of anger-mongering reactionary writer takes an opinion from an earlier article in the same paper--not a fact but an opinion-- that "Obama appeared not to know she had resigned"--and turns it from an opinion into a fact, and then proceeds to build a huge opinionated diatribe on top of it. " ........ "But at his news conference Thursday, President Barack Obama said he didn't know exactly how or why Liz Birnbaum departed, or whether she was fired. "I don't yet know the circumstances," he said. " Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37863.html#ixzz0pAsSzsvL .......................................... Tell me again about "It is shameful to see column inches being given to such shallow thinking." |
