BS: GA Sen Chambliss - Questionable Video Ad

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss - Questionable Video Ad
From: Genie
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 08:28 PM

Oh, and BTW, (in case I didn't make it clear at the outset), what prompted my posting this thread in the first place and titling it as I did was that I was listening to the ad being discussed on several radio talk shows, in which people were DESCRIBING it as Chambliss grabbing his prepubescent daughter's boob (as though it would have been more appropriate if she were post-pubescent??).    So I checked out the video to see what all the fuss was about. And even before seeing it, I wondered how someone could fondle the "boob" of a fully pre-pubescent girl.    Upon seeing the ad, I found Chambliss's actions a little awkward and unusual and I was curious how others would interpret them.   I think the variety and range of reactions have been interesting in and of themselves.

But as to the idea of this thread topic or its original title being inappropriate, are we saying that a thread like "Obama is a socialist" amounts to Mudcat calling him a socialist (which, in the eyes of many opponents, amounts to calling him anti-American and a sympathizer with Soviet communism)?

A few other, well, "provocative" recent thread titles here:

BS: Obama-Fear is good for business
BS: Obama in the Gutter?
BS: Obama bin Laden???...
BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
BS: Bush nuking the environment as he leaves
BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
BS: Cheney Indicted: Arraignment Friday        
BS: Bush pardons self, Cheney        
BS: Death Penalty for Bush/Cheney        
BS: Cheney Assumes Presidency                
BS: Is Cheney a Big Fat Liar???...

Oh, well .......

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss - Questionable Video Ad
From: Genie
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 07:58 PM

Joe, I completely agree with the way you changed my thread title. (I'd have changed it myself after reading several people's comments, if I could have.)   The edited title does convey the specific topic (as opposed to just "Saxby Chambliss" or "Chambliss campaign ad) but without any sensationalism or essentially calling Chambliss names just by way of a headline.

I agree with many of the comments made here, by Bill D, Mick, meself, JTS, Kat, and others.   It's not fully clear what Chambliss was thinking or even what the girl was, but I don't think it's evidence of any sort of perversion, though political discretion probably would have prompted reshooting the ad just to avoid giving the opposition any ammunition.   As close to Karl Rovian tactics as Chambliss himself has been, one would think he's know that.   But is anything in this ad the reason to oppose Chambliss? I don't think so.

The double standard still does bother me though. I can't help thinking of that Muslim man - good family man, respected businessman and community member - whose life was ruined by the "prurient" overreaction of American southerners to his public touching of his toddler daughter in a way discrepant from our cultural standards.   I wonder how many of the people who condemned him as a "pedophile" and "child abuser" are willing to give Chambliss the benefit of the doubt because he's a Christian conservative.

G

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss - Questionable Video Ad
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 06:45 PM

American threads are sometimes like that. I think it has something to do with a Puritan background.

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss - Questionable Video Ad
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 05:42 PM

There's a word that's been hovering over this thread - prurience.

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss - Questionable Video Ad
From: GUEST,Jack The Sailor
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 05:09 PM

McGrath,

>>>probably chosen for convenience    I don't think that's what public conveniences are supposed to be convenient for.<<

Funny!

>>I rather doubt if too many people over here would be likely to interpret that video in the kind of way this thread assumes. I hope not anyway. Party doesn't come into it.


People tend to think the worse of people they don't like. Its human nature. I seen Brits attribute nasty inhuman motives to Mrs. Thatcher. From the outside it looked like she was sincerely trying to do what was best for the UK.

On the other hand I hate Saxby the politician and I am not accusing him of anything more than stupidity. Would it have been so difficult for him to hug his grand daughter without putting his hands over her breasts? Were they so hurried that they could not have watched the tape after they shot it and sent it to air?

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss - Questionable Video Ad
From: GUEST,Jack The Sailor
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 04:52 PM

Mick,

I was reading the post in the context of the thread. Thanks for the clarification.

As for worrying about the thread title hurting feelings of Saxby's granddaughter. Saxby should have thought of that before using her as a prop. If it's intentionally put in the public domain, I think its pretty much fair game. Isn't he and his staff obligated to protect his family from embarrassment when he uses them as political props.

As I said, stupid, arrogant and ignorant. The people of Georgia have made a bad choice. Twice.

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss - Questionable Video Ad
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 04:43 PM

probably chosen for convenience    I don't think that's what public conveniences are supposed to be convenient for.
.....................

If it were an MP from a party you didn't like, you might just have the same reaction.   I rather doubt if too many people over here would be likely to interpret that video in the kind of way this thread assumes. I hope not anyway. Party doesn't come into it.

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss - Questionable Video Ad
From: heric
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 04:40 PM

Then again, you have to be a pervert to see perversion in that video (until you've been trained to see it.) Probably no one saw it, and, if they did, maybe they just decided to hell with the pervert constituency.

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss - Questionable Video Ad
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 04:34 PM

Perhaps, JtS, it would work better if you read the post for comprehension. Do you see the double space between the first and second paras? That means there is a division between the two contentions. The first one refers to the original thread name which was questioning whether he was a pervert. The second para goes to the suggestion that he was doing something that folks might think is immoral, hypocritical or indecent. As to Craig, I find him, as well as Foley to be hypocritical in light of their professed values, and guilty of indecent acts in the eyes of their (<-- read for comprehension alert) own constituencies.

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss - Questionable Video Ad
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 04:25 PM

That is better Joe. I am not afraid to be counted as a delete the threader.

As I said to you, I hope my Mudcat family has good sense not perpetuate the speculations any further.

Chambliss doesn't deserve the oxygen of publicity generated by that video and it's detractors and that little girl needs to be protected.

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss - Questionable Video Ad
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 04:13 PM

Several people have asked that we delete this thread or change the thread title. One asked how the granddaughter would feel if she saw the title of this thread. Bills's suggested Chambliss/video/granddaughter Google brings up pages and pages on this issues, so the deleteion of a Mudcat thread won't make any difference to the granddaughter, one way or another.

Nonetheless, the thread title didn't really reflect the balance of the discussion here, so I toned the thread title down a bit. I hope that's OK.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: GUEST,Jack The Sailor
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 04:01 PM

How is Craig a pervert?

He was soliciting consenting adults....

The location seems odd but I think it was probably chosen for convenience rather than arousal.

Craig's major sins were lying and and adultery.

As you said Chambliss should have know better. So should his staff. His mistakes in this matter are a lack of self awareness and a poor choice of staff.

Jim,

My point about the low cut sweater and the undershirt is that it is women's clothing. Not the clothing of a pre-adolescent.

Englanders,

You should perhaps save the hyperbole for an appropriate occasion. Genie was just asking a question, not making an accusation. As mature and enlighted as you pretend to be. If it were an MP from a party you didn't like, you might just have the same reaction.

I lived in Georgia when Chambliss lied and created that senate seat away from triple amputee war hero Max Cleland by pretending that Cleland was somehow allied with Osama Bin Laden. I know Saxby as a stupidly arrogant, ignorant politician. This video has not changed that opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 03:43 PM

Genie....."I mean, I still can't believe they didn't just reshoot it. It'd've been so simple"

"Oh by the way sir we'd like to reshoot the video as it looks like you're touching your grand daughter indecently"......Very simple!!

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 03:07 PM

I wanted Chambliss to lose. Having said that, and having run campaigns and news events all the way up to the Presidential race in a major State; especially in light of the Palin/turkey slaughter video; I wonder how these folks staff, specifically their media/message persons, keep their jobs. I see nothing worth chastisement in that video for anyone except for the folks that should have caught it. I don't think this is evidence of a pervert, and find the use of the term to be gratuitous. Trying to damn your opponents through these types of stretches, in the end, just damages you and the causes you are fighting for.

Chambliss is not a Larry Craig, or a Mark Foley. He should have been beat on the basis of factual issues, not weak attempts to paint him in an unsavory light based on this type of thing. Doing so means one is turning to Rove tactics. Be careful you don't become that thing which you so disdain. This is a time for cautious optimism in the political process, not Rovian style mudslinging based on specious issues.

Just my opinion.

All the best,

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 02:54 PM

Well, I was sure it was a fake, but it appears the video was posted by the Chambliss election campaign. I went to saxby.org and selected "watch Saxby on YouTube," and came up with this (click). I think his handlers should have culled this one out before it got posted. They certainly did a nice job on Website design. I'm surprised they didn't foresee that somebody would read nasty things into this video.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 12:01 PM

Seconded. This is nothing but an immature joke at a little girl's expense. (Not that I don't enjoy immature jokes.)

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 11:15 AM

Let this not be turned into a witch hunt. Who is organising the pitchforks? Who the torches?

There is nothing wrong in that video and the child's reaction or lack of one is proof. If that girl was uncomfortable with the touch, her face or body would have registered it.

This thread in it's entirety should be discouraged. The more said on it, then more comments show on the internet and subsequently the more generalisations are made.

That makes that little girl a victim of our speculations not her grandfather.

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 10:54 AM

I did a search on "Chambliss/video/granddaughter" and found maybe 75% who were 'just offended', 15% who shrugged, and a few, like me, who seriously wondered if it had been doctored.

I do now wonder why I don't see other versions....maybe he DID do it.

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: GUEST,Michael
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 10:45 AM

I agree with PDQ. Its unlikly that of all the people in that campain who saw the end of the video wouldnt have caught it before putting it on the air. And if it was percevied inappropriate by the girl she would of said or done something, would she?

Good fake, but i think we have alot more things to worry about than where the old guys hands have been.

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: Genie
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 04:38 AM

Hey, Ake, I'm just observing and commenting on the public opinion I'm hearing expressed about this video.         As for laughs, I do think this video is kind of amusing in a WTF? kind of way - I mean, I still can't believe they didn't just reshoot it. It'd've been so simple.

As for your views of me and my views, I do hope you've bothered to read the entire thread, Ake.   ; )

G

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 04:06 AM

"Court of public opinion"???...... I really hope you're just havin' a laugh Genie.

There is a more serious side to this shit.
That even the relatively smart people who write here can suspend reason so easily...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: Genie
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 03:24 AM

Well, McGrath, you've got a point there, about Americans today being hypervigilant about "pedophilia," "child abuse," "sex offenses," etc.   But I'd say it'd be truly stupid, politically, for Barack or any other politician to be video'd caressing the genital region of a puppy or the swollen mammaries of a mama dog.    Some things are just bound to be taken the wrong way and held against you in (the) court (of public opinion).

Genie

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 03:57 PM

Low-cut sweater? Take another look. Sure the blue-striped part looks low-cut, but there's something that looks like a white T-shirt underneath it, or possibly attached to it. With that in place, she's well covered up. Anyway, I'd bet she wasn't allowed to choose her own clothes for the video shoot.

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 01:45 PM

Evidently in such a nervous and overexcitable country, Obama will have to be careful how he behaves towards that dog he's getting...

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: GUEST,Jack The Sailor
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 10:46 AM

Intentional or not, the grope was not appropriate for television. She is wearing a low cut sweater. She knows he is entering woman hood. Do you think Bill Cosby could have done that to one of his TV daughters and stayed on the air?

It shows the lack of political talent on the Republican side. This guy and Lindsey Graham seem to be the cream of the crop. Unless they come up with better candidates for Congress, the GOP is in big trouble.

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 09:42 AM

That last surprises me. They're not being very nice to the little girl.

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 09:29 AM

A clip from the video was used last night on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart.

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: Genie
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 02:24 AM

FWIW, pdq, the Dems aren't anywhere close to having a "VETO-proof majority" in either house of Congress (even if they were much in fear of Obama vetoing their bills).
You claim "Half the people in the United States are members of the GOP and deserve a voice in the federal government."
Well, stats I've heard recently say that more voters are registered Democratic than are registered Republican and that more eligible voters express a preference for the Democratic Party than for the Republican Party. And in this past election, Democratic voter registrations far outstripped Republican registrations (not counting Mickey Mouse or dead people -- I mean actual, state-issued voter registrations).   That aside, sure, the minority parties deserve a voice in government. That's one real advantage to a parliamentary system of government over our winner-take-all, 2-party system. But I sure didn't hear Ruff Limppaw or Sean InSanity or the other right wing talking heads sounding off about how important it was for "the other half" to have a voice in government when their side "won" 2 consecutive Presidential elections by just thousands or even by just a few hundreds of votes.

meself, as for the thread title -- note that it has a "?" in it -- it's hard to convey the gist of a thread when there's hardly room for anything more than a name (e.g., "GA Sen Chambliss").   I didn't want to simply use "GA Sen Chambliss video," because there are so many of them out there.   If Joe O or someone else with editing magic wants to change the title, it's fine with me, but I do think the current title gives people a clear idea of what video it's about.

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: Genie
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 02:15 AM

I agree, Bobert. The really disgusting things Saxby Chamliss has done were the dirty campaign tricks he did to Max Cleland back in 2002.

You're so right, TIA.   I surely didn't hear the Republicans touting the virtues of "bipartisanship" or warning about the dangers of "one-party domination" when THEY controlled Congress, the Presidency and the courts as well! LOL

Now they're floating the meme that Chambliss's win "shows that most people want a balance of power and fear one party having a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate .. yadda yadda."
Of course, when the Republicans filibuster bill after bill -- even those that have bipartisan, majority support -- they will be the first to go on the TV machine and the radio talk shows and badmouth the Democratic "do nothing Congress."   

It's really no surprise Chambliss won, since he beat Martin by at least 3 or 4 percentage points on Nov. 4, though he just missed the 50% mark. When you add that the same black-box, unverifiable voting machines that were used in 2002 are still used, statewide in Georgia, why would any other result be expected.
(In 2002, I understand that Max Cleland was ahead by several percentage points both in pre-election polls right before the election and in the exit polls, but that techs from the voting machine company came into some heavily Democratic leaning precincts to apply "patches" tot he machines on election day and, voila!, Cleland ended up "losing" by the same margin that the polls had him winning by.

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 10:34 PM

Where was all this concern about giving the minority a voice in government three years ago?

Remember what happened then? Sure you do... the Republicans were maneuvering to eliminate the filibuster, and remove the "voice in government" for the other side.

Show of hands please - who objected then?

I am sure the Republicans will be true to their principal and not use the filibuster now.

Yeah, right. In the last session, they set the record for the most filibusters ever in the history of the USA.

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 10:12 PM

My wife is a political activist, and politically astute enough to know who Saxby Chambliss is, even though we live in Minnesota and are pretty far removed from the action.

I showed her the video—the one with the neutral headline (see my link above). She hadn't heard of the video before. I told her only that there was some controversy about the video, and asked if she could spot what was controversial about it.

On the first viewing, despite paying close attention, she saw nothing. On the second viewing, she laughed and asked, "Is it his hand on the girl's chest?"

I urge you to try the same experiment with people whose judgment you trust. Maybe it would help put things in perspective.

There may be plenty of good reasons to vote against Chambliss, but this video is not one of them.

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 09:48 PM

Fake 'er not, I couldn't give a rat's ass... What I do care about is what this guy did to Max Cleland, a decortaed and severely disabled Vietnam vet... That was more disgusting then anything I saw in this video and it was unforgivable...

Shame on you, Senator... Shame on you...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 09:44 PM

"Half the people in the United States" voted for Bush two terms, and would probably vote for Beelzebub if you tucked his tail in and gave him a Republican button!

I don't think you'd be so free with 'sharing' if the Republicans had won 60%. Face it...the Republicans have not done a good job with their 8 years, and it IS time to make the process of fixing things as free from their foot-dragging as possible.

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: pdq
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 09:33 PM

Anytime a slime piece like this appears 1-3 days before an election, it is to be assumed to be a dirty campaign trick.

Anyway, Saxe Chambliss has won the runoff and will go back to Washington. Also, Norm Coleman seems to have survived the "Al Franken recount".

Most people are happy to see that "Dirty Harry" Reid and Nancy Pelosi will not have a "veto-proof" majority. Half the people in the United States are members of the GOP and deserve a voice in the federal government.

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 08:22 PM

The early returns show Chambliss way ahead!

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 08:16 PM

I'm inclined to agree with akenaton.

I can envisage a few years down the road anybody giving a cat or a dog a cuddle or a stroke will be liable to get accused of bestiality...

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: kendall
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 08:02 PM

I have three daughters and that video offends me.
Furthermore, considering what this lying bastards did to Max Cleland, I hope this sinks him.

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 07:53 PM

Greg Stephens is 100% correct.
The rest of you are a dirty minded shower!
Do none of you have kids of you're own? If so, do YOU think of them in a sexual manner?

For Christsake grow up...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: meself
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 07:25 PM

Given all the ambiguity concerning the video - does anyone else think the title of this thread should be toned down a bit ... ?

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 07:18 PM

Good gracious, yes.

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: Genie
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 06:44 PM

Oh, and, Ebbie - If the video is real, I think you've hit the nail on the head as to interpretation of Chambliss's actions.   The question is, innocent as that may have been, wouldn't you think he or someone on his staff would have forseen how others might react to that footage and maybe reshot the ad?

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: Genie
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 06:41 PM

greg stephens: "Some USA politics looks remarkably sick. Is this sort of smearing and fakery common over there? "

Unfortunately, Greg, smearing, fakery and outright lies are all too common in US politics, and that includes photoshopped photos and videos (not to mention audio and video selectively edited to give an entirely false impression.   I've seen a lot more of it coming from the right than from the left, but it's hardly confined to those of any one particular political persuasion.

"Especially odd that it extends to a folk music forum. Do all political parties have plants operating in all the esoteric forums?"
There are "plants" operating all across the internet, greg. I'm not one of them, though.
I honestly thought this was a real campaign ad that had been aired in Georgia. That's the way it was presented when I heard it talked about on radio.   But if it's been photoshopped, that certainly would make more sense than what it originally appeared to be (an unedited ad that had already aired).

I'm not convinced Chambliss's actions are weird or perverted, any more than I'm convinced that Iranian father was "sexually abusing" his daughter (who also seemed to be quite accepting of his fondling). On the one hand, if the girl in the Chambliss video is completely pre-pubescent and has no "boobs," then he's not really caressing a sexually relevant part of her anatomy.   And even if she's begun to sprout breast buds, her dad or grandfather might be quite oblivious to it (anatomical changes in kids can happen almost overnight, or they can happen so gradually that their parents hardly notice them at first).   
But it's hard for me to believe someone running for re-election -- especially as a conservative Republican in a conservative southern state -- would let a video like that air, when the Zeitgeist today is one of hypervigilance re anything that remotely smacks of "sexual abuse."

G

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 06:32 PM

That is no fake. The girl's entire torso moves in response to the..uh...hug.

Innocent? Probably (?)

Stupid?

You Betcha.

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 06:32 PM

I know nossing about frame by frame viewing and if Bill D sees something odd in the video in doing so, I tend to agree with him.

But on the face of it, it looks innocent to me. Look at his wife's hand at the waist of the boy - her hand could just as easily have moved to his chest area, if she were emphasizing her speech.

I don't like Chambliss but it looks to me as though, subconsciously perhaps, he was surprised at the softness of the girl's chest - and yes, I think she has breasts - and clutched tighter.

And I think the girl knows it- see the beginning of her giggle?

What does seem odd is that the video was released rather done over.

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 06:01 PM

cache in Firefox: http://www.digitalmediaminute.com/article/626

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 05:33 PM

Joe...I use either SMPlayer

or The KMPlayer, but there are others which will play .FLV files.

Each plays & pauses with the space bar. SMPlayer uses . (a period) and KMPlayer uses F for frame-by-frame advance.

Now, to do this you must have the FLV file from YOUR cache loaded....you can't do it IN YouTube.

I have mentioned a few times that everyone ought to learn how to find the files in their cache. (I have told my Opera browser exactly where *I* want my cache located.) It starts in "documents & settings...etc.", but I moved it by typing "opera:cache" and locating it and editing the Opera .ini file with a new location.

There are also FLV downloaders, but I haven't used one recently, since I discovered that I already had the files. If you can't figure out your cache, you might want to Google FLV downloaders...there are several.

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 04:25 PM

So, Bill, how do you play it one frame at a time?
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: meself
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 04:07 PM

"I don't think he meant he was her grandfather, either and even if he was,"

?

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 03:52 PM

As for the girl looking comfortable, it is amazing what behind the scenes threats and/or sweeping things under the carpet will do to keep a good face on when in public. In other words, she may look happy but what possible cost. I don't think he meant he was her grandfather, either and even if he was, he oughtn't to grab her boobs and YES a girl of ten can have the beginnings of boobs and be very sensitive about it.

Subject: RE: BS: GA Sen Chambliss a pervert? (Video)
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 03:14 PM

*shrug*... played frame-by-frame it seems to have problems, to me. You have to wonder how his hand extends that far without the rest of him moving. (you really can't follow it well, except frame-by-frame.)

I assume that someone will comment if anyone makes an issue of it. It's been ot for 6 days, and I've seen no mention of it.