BS: World Cup 2010

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arnie
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 04:44 AM

Whoops -ignore that bit about the clause allowing Capello to leave by mutual consent - I've just realised that doesn't make sense. The clause actually said that either the FA or Capello could terminate his contract within 14 days of the WC ending. All academic now of course as Capello will be walking away with a wheelbarrow-load of cash.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: MikeL2
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 04:57 AM

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Alan Day - PM
Date: 27 Jun 10 - 05:53 PM

Hi alan I agree with all you say. We just weren't good enough to beat a better team on the day.

OK they didn't get the breaks but that should not have created the confusion and disruption in the England defence.

As I said earlier England played like strangers who only met an hour previous to the match.

There was no fire in their bellies. Look at the lack of appeals to the referee and linesment when England scored that obvious goal.

I am not advocating some of the juvenile actions of some of the other teams but this lack of passion signified something deeper to me.

All was not well in the England camp.

There will be much wailing and nashing of teeth for weeks to come but we have to face up to the fact that we are not a first class nation at football any more.

We may have the best league in the World but that is because most of the best players are foreign. Maybe this is one of the causes of our deepseated problems ??

cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 05:05 AM

Instead of employing foreigners, such as Fabio Capello, to compete for us, we English should simply go back to OUR OWN good values and ways...

Poem 150 of 230: TEARS

Watching a documentary
    Of the '66 World Cup,
And the way of England's Ramsey,
    I thought: "Let's give 'passion' up."

It voiced and showed his calm way -
    He playing things down a touch;
And, as his home team won the day,
    They showed care but not too much.

Analytical Englishmen -
    Cool over the tasks that lay;
We see some of it in Henman,
    But it's not the modern way.

Sadly, passion and youthful thought
    Have become the status quo,
And social-standards and sport
    Have sunk relatively low.

(C) David Franks 2003
From http://blogs.myspace.com/walkaboutsverse (e-book)
Or http://walkaboutsverse.webs.com (e-scroll)

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Alan Day
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 06:50 AM

I am sorry but, I have taken off my England Tee shirt, hat, scarf, shorts, socks ,wrap around Union Jack .Removed the flags and red crosses from the car. Today a start painting over the red cross on my house and roof.
The flag is at half mast lowered last night to "The Last Post"
Finally I have stamped on the red cross white balloons.
Sob Sob Sob
Al

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 09:04 AM

Cheer up, Al, we're re-stiffening our upper lips, and going back to our own old winning values and ways, even as you type.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Lox
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 09:23 AM

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arnie
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 10:27 AM

As the first Euro 2012 is only 3 mths ago, I thought I'd refresh my memory. In the Group Stage we've drawn Wales!!! We've got no chance - is Gigsy still playing for them?

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arnie
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 10:29 AM

That should read - "As the first Euro 2012 qualifying match is only 3 mths away etc..." My excuse is that I'm still getting over yesterday's shambolic WC departure!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 01:13 PM

Holland do enough again to get through. They are a class act and only do what is necessary.

When do they meet Germany. That will be a cracker. No love lost there.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: olddude
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 01:28 PM

England I think had all the goods to win or place in this world cup. They just could not come together as a team as I expected they would. I suspect next time they will fix it. Normally I have to blame coaching when I see such.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 01:58 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: GUEST,ibo
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 02:21 PM

Worst world cup ever,england are crap,overpaid average footballers

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 02:28 PM

I hope Brazile gets Chile.

Yes, take that either way. I have no opinion on today's match.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 04:16 PM

I now have an opinion. I like BRA because they don't get all wimpy and play the ball backward if they don't have a perfect shot. They take the ball forward and create opportunities. It's called confidence. Both on offense and defense.

Then again, I watch from the viewpoint of a Canuck who doesn't know near as much as the rest of youse posters. But, I do know hockey and I know ya gotta put dat puck on dat net to get a goal eh?

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Tootler
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 04:17 PM

Where was the passion? where was the commitment - the desire to win, to try their hearts out until the last?

On the other hand, England went 3-0 up against Australia in the one day cricket series, thus guaranteeing they will win the tournament and barely a mention in the the media. It's high time our media started celebrating success and consigning failures to the sidelines.

Oh - they did mention that Andy Murray won in straight sets at Wimbledon - but then he's Scots so maybe that doesn't count!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 04:50 PM

To Tootler: as I suggested, in verse, just above, Alf Ramsey encouraged calm and discipline NOT passion and tolerance. Further, it seems to keep a job on the BBC, these days, a presenter has to use the word "passionate" every other sentence...

Or take it from J.E. Bode, in the English hymn "O Jesus, I have Promised":

"O let me hear thee speaking
In accents clear and still,
Above the storms of passion..."

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 05:07 PM

But, frankly, the 6 million/year paid to an Italian to tell us how to play our favourite sport would probably have turned the temper of even Alf Ramsay - as I say, a disgrace to two nations who should know better.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Jun 10 - 10:34 PM

1. There can be no defence for a system that allows results gained by recorded provable error to stand.

2. Is there any chance of civilisation now returning to pubs and villages throughout England?

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 02:58 AM

Cricket has not been played as a national sport in UK for several years, but only as a Sky TV programme since the time that live coverage could only be seen by those who are prepared to line Rupert Murdoch's greasy pockets for the pleasure.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: bubblyrat
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 05:46 AM

Did anyone else see the story in yesterday's paper ,about the Germans STILL believing that the disputed England goal in 1966, given by an insistent Russian linesman, was a "fix" ---? Apparently,the linesman was asked,on his deathbed, why he had done it, and he croaked " Stalingrad " !! Shall we see his like again,I wonder !

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: bubblyrat
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 05:58 AM

PS ---- I am not anti-German : I even lived there for a short time. However, I can't say that I am particularly "pro" English football, especially after watching the recent World Cup antics of all those diving,tumbling,screaming, fumbling,incessantly spitting, theatrical,inept,over-paid yet under-motivated ,tired,unfit CRETINS who made England a laughing stock for years to come. And why an Italian manager ?? ( No jokes about running backwards, please ! although they DID, didn't they ??)

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 08:14 AM

...the German fans didn't reciprocate and boo before our national anthem.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Lox
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 08:34 AM

Bubblyrat,

Oft times I disagree strongly with you.

On this subject, you have expressed my feelings to a tee.

_____________________________

Virginia,

You are a class act.

Those who have chosen a life in the gutter can't touch you. Just wipe the sole of your shoe on the nearest kerb and the little turds smell will soon be forgotten.

The true depth of your excellent likeable character has been too well established on here for anyone to be remotely impressed by such a facile attack as the one you have been subjected to.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Acorn4
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 10:54 AM

In the sixties I read about something called the "Peter Principle" which said the people were promoted to the point of their own incompetence.

Perhaps this is true of Fabio Capello.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 03:22 PM

I am pleased the ref is not allowing the "drawing" of fouls and is letting the play flow with advantage. Especially when Renaldo tried three times to put the ball past an opponent and then run into him in an attempt to draw a foul. I wish this was standard practice with refs. As far as I am concerned, it's dirty play and poor sportsmanship... kinda wimpy too.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 04:26 PM

That back heel pass was priceless.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Bainbo
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 04:45 PM

That last was me. Forgot I'd reset my browser, and so lost my cookie.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Bainbo
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 05:04 PM

Mind, when I think about it, it would have made much better television for Lineker to have had Klinsmann pinned to the table, one hand round his throat, the other raised in a fist, screaming: "Say that again, you sausage-munching Hun", while Hnasen tries to trip him up and Seedorf yells: "Give him one for me, Gary."

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Alan Day
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 05:54 PM

I watched Spain V Portugal this evening a good game totally spoilt by the Spanish Full Back collapsing as if he had been hit with a right hook. The poor Portuguese player got sent off. On the replay it clearly shows that the two players were no where near each other when the incident occurred. I hope the Spanish player plays no part in the rest of the tournament.
Al

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 06:09 PM

Alan... my point exactly from above. The diving rule is not just not effective for most calls as the ref has to make judgement calls from poor angles most times.

At the risk of... you know... there was a chance for Renaldo late and he flubbed it. The camera followed him back, wincing and limping in severe pain... more bullshit from the wimp. Diving and faking seem to be a part of the game which will never go away until rules for video review and for coach challenges (VERY controversial) are put in place.

It has worked with a fair degree of effectivness in Yankee football. But, the Yanks are usually ahead of any curve.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 06:22 PM

Worst world cup ever.

Just because the English team were crap? The "worst world cup" would be one in which a team playing like that won. And fortunately that isn't going to happen.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 06:45 PM

Rather a lot of bad losers out there it appears.

"Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser" needs ampifying - "Show me a bad loser and I'll show you a loser two times over."

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: romanyman
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 02:40 AM

dont matter how they play, they still get paid disgusting ammounts of money , win or loose, so why bother, the germans deserved to win, they played better football, oh and by the way i cant stand football, however seeing the overpaid overrated tossers having rings run round them, reminded me of how much i fail to see the atraction of football,
so pay them a set wage, give the a bonus only if they win and a bonus for any goal the player scores.
if they have to earn their money perhaps they would play better, oh and dont come the old, its the managers fault, i did not see the manager on the pitch,its all about money in the end

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arnie
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 06:00 AM

The first World Cup joke has arrived on my mobile phone - England have arranged their next friendly against Iceland, followed by Tesco and then Asda.

Does anyone know who starts jokes? Everyone knows a joke but do you know anyone who invented a joke? There is a theory that we are being studied by aliens who introduce jokes occasionally to see how humankind reacts. Maybe Capello is an alien testing our sense of humour? This would explain why he selected an unfit Rooney and played him each match. Also why he perserved with Heskey, rarely played Crouch and left Walcott at home.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 06:32 AM

I had these sent to me concerning England on their way home.

Got 23 jokes to send you, but they haven't landed at Heathrow yet.

There's been a bad weather warning issued.
Apparently there's a shower of sh*t coming in from South Africa

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Alan Day
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 08:23 AM

England team have sensationally turned down a £70 Million shirt deal with a Dog Food Company.
Having "Winalot" on their shirts
they thought would be taking the piss !!
Al

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 08:38 AM

...Balls - that was for the leather industry!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: goatfell
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 09:33 AM

Two planes landed in England today. One was carrying 23 overpaid underachieving footballers with egos to match their wallets and the other had 7 men whose coffins were draped in the Union Jack... THESE are the real heroes we should be supporting, these men and women who give their lives so that we can live in a free world. And you lot talk about footballers and other sportsmen/women as heroes.
I agree with this statement

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: MikeL2
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 10:17 AM

Hi guys

As England flew home in disgrace and Spain move smoothly into the quarter finals it made me think of how things change.

I lived in Spain some years ago and still have a house there.
My sister and my wife's sister also live there.

Not so many years ago Spain had probably the best club team in the World in Real Mand who played in the best league in the World. They had many of the then recognised best players in the World.

But they could not win an argument never mind a competition. Year after year the National Spanish team returned home rather like England today. Disgraced, ashamed and confused.

Maybe tomorrow......????????

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 12:15 PM

...Poem 98 of 230: REREGULATE

One Premier world-eleven v.
    Another such company,
Or wage-caps and say half each-club's squad
    From the local-junior pod?
And, perhaps, heed the cricket-fan's call
    To convert to county-football..?

(C) David Franks 2003
From http://walkaboutsverse.webs.com (e-scroll)
Or http://blogs.myspace.com/walkaboutsverse (e-book)

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 12:29 PM

goatfell...

Footballers are not heroes and I don't recall anyone saying they are. As for the soldiers, they are indeed heroes, each and every one. If it was up to me, they would be much better paid and much better taken care of than they are. As for footballers being overpaid, they make what the market will bear and can provide. Alas, I have no say in any such matters.

In any case, as a young man, I was a gifted athlete in superb physical and mental condition and I relished every second of competition in a number of sports. At 53, with a number of health issues from various sports (and other) injuries, I sometimes relish watching top notch athletes in high level competition. And, I enjoy discussing same with others who have insight regarding strategies, rules, ref'ing, play and so on.

I take umbridge at your insinuation that I have no compassion or appreciation for our brave men and women in uniform and that I look to any sports figure as a hero.

I understand your post, but I disagree with it completely.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: GUEST,Lox
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 01:24 PM

Regardless of which, a hero is in the eye of the beholder.

Ask a typical 8 year old boy who his heroes are and he'll probably tell you the name of a famous sports personality, most likely a footballer.

But this is a thread about football.

Comparing footballers with soldiers is trite and trivializes war.

If you're worried about soldiers dying, try directing your emotions at thse responsible instead of insinuating that people who like football or footballers should somehow be ashamed of themselves for being enthusiastic about it.

You can guarantee that every man who had access to a TV in Iraq or Afghanistan was looking to see if the game was on.

You can guarantee that most football enthusiasts in both countries know who wayne rooney is, as they do all over the world.

Football is the property and the solace of the common man and it resists political and economic interests and weathers crises and cultural shifts like no other man made activity or institution.

War is a game played by the rich in spite of the common man.

Football unites the poor of the world in a way that nothing else does. Every little backwater, from Timbouctou to East Timor, has people playing football, all by the same rules and all with the same passion, and they all know who their heroes are, and they all dream of winning the world cup.

Good!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: GUEST,Lox
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 01:27 PM

"You can guarantee that every man who had access to a TV in Iraq or Afghanistan was looking to see if the game was on."

And that includes British and American servicemen amongst all the others who watched the games with passionate enjoyment.

Not just ordinary Iraqis or Afghanis.


Good!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: michaelr
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 01:33 PM

"England have arranged their next friendly against Iceland, followed by Tesco and then Asda"

Who are Tesco and Asda, and why is this funny?

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: GUEST,Lox
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 02:47 PM

Iceland, Tesco and Asda are all supermarket chains in the UK.

Apart from the obvious dumb pun, there is also the suggestion that the England team are of such a poor standard that they would be well served if they were relegated to playing a team of each supermarkets staff.

Equally it suggests that the England team would be better employed stacking shelves.

Either way, they have certainly passed their sell by date.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: GUEST,MeadowMuskrat
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 06:06 PM

To VT and Gnu and anyone else who might care- I did not submit the comments on 6/27. Someone else for whatever reason chose to use my name. I am a long time fan of the US team and certainly no supporter of Germany.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: goatfell
Date: 01 Jul 10 - 08:27 AM

see the england manger has a new world cup team GERMANY

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Jul 10 - 09:59 AM

Maybe this is the way to go:

"Nigeria 'suspends' football team"

"Nigeria's president has suspended the national football team from international competition for two years following their poor performance at the Fifa World Cup."

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 01 Jul 10 - 01:42 PM

McGrath... didn't read it, but what a stupid and counterproductive thing to do.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Jul 10 - 03:13 PM

No sillier than imagining that a ritual change of manager will solve anything.