BS: World Cup 2010

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Leadfingers
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 06:23 AM

200 and counting down til they come home !

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: GUEST,Joybringer
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 07:05 AM

What can you say about this England team ! I am still laughing my ass off at it.

England need a win, so they have offered "Iceland" a match. If they win it they will play "Tesco´s" next week.

It´s been a funny old week. "13 dead, but not forgotten. England team sunk faster than Mountbatten".

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 07:26 AM

a substitution that should have been tried was Rooney off, too be replaced with either defoe or crouch.
joe cole could also have been brought on at 60 minutes instead of Heskey.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 07:32 AM

I'm not a sports fan and couldn't care less who wins some silly ball kicking thing, but I am into fair play, and I didn't see any yesterday. That re. should have been kicked off the field his call was so out in left field.
If you can't beat a guy, cheat! And then call it a win? If I were English I'd be embarrassed.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: MikeL2
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 08:41 AM

hi

I agree with most of the comments posted here about England's sorry performance last night. They were dreadful.

However there is something seriously wrong here - a team does not become a bad team overnight nor do worldclass players either.

I have watched Wayne Rooney since he was a young boy and I have never ever see him play when he didn't appear to be interested in the game. Last night he just did not try. Normally when the team is not doing well he chases around everywhere trying to inject enthusiasm ( occasionally he overdoes this !!!) Last night he just did not get involved and he was missing out on balls that were 70-30 in his favour. That is NOT the Wayne Rooney that I know. He is either injured and playing when he shouldn't or there is something awry in the camp. This would explain why so many other players eg Gerrard,Lampard,Cole Terry etc all had bad games.

Perhaps they don't agree with the way they are being asked to play.

If you look at the body language of both the players and the staff there is obvious tension there.

Having played the way we have we don't really deserve to be in a postion where we can still qualify with one good result.

A "normal" England team are more than capable of beating Slovenia easily and would be normally expected to do so. Indeed they did beat them a few months ago !!

The issue here is one that is much more simple than the alternatives proffered above.

If England beat Slovenia they qualify...end of story.

That is the thought that England must take into the game.

Capello must select a team and a strategy that will enable this to happen. eg if Rooney is injured or not fit we can't play him. Play Defoe and Crouch. Joe Cole has talent to set up the play for them....he must be given a chance now.

cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 10:58 AM

It seemed to me like Algeria was playing for the draw.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: MikeL2
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 11:22 AM

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 10:58 AM

"It seemed to me like Algeria was playing for the draw"

Hi Neil

I agree....a draw was a great result for them...after the game Steven Gerrard said that this was like them winning the World Cup !!!

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 12:30 PM

Good Soldier Schweik... I agree about Cole; might have even started him. But not about Rooney. And Crouch, well he seems to be a bit of a penalty draw... a loose canon. He's very effective at certain aspects, but not well rounded enough to be plyed too early because of the penalty possibility.

Have said that, I didn't catch much Premiership this year so if my comments are inappropriate, please ignor my ignorance.

In any case, I still think the England fans should have shut up rather than booing their team off. That just just makes the situation worse.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 12:59 PM

No, fans pay money they have every right to boo.
when I play in folk clubs, I dont get booed, because I make a professional attempt to sing and play well, if i got ratted and couldnt play well people would have aright to boo, but I do not.
having had one gig wrecked by football supporters[here Iam being utterly selfish] I will be glad when England are eliminated, and people can get to folk clubs without having to fight their way[as they enter the pub] through football crowds scoving and roaring and shoving and bawling.Dick Miles

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 02:22 PM

The game game starts soon... surely now all hopes have been dashed by Cameroon/Denmark in the final ninety minutes. Nothing short a of a miracle goal by Cameroon/Denmark could turn this game into a glimmer of a hope of going through...

Yeah, I can mute that shite along with the vuvuzelas.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: MikeL2
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 04:59 AM

hi GGS

I agree with what you say.....they England fans at the game have paid thousands of pounds to travel and to see their team play.

The stuff served up by England thus far is unacceptable and they have the right to show their displeasure.

With regards to your experience on a folk night in a pub can I say that most of these people are NOT football supporters - they are using the World Cup as a partying exercise and of course the alcohol can take over.

Here where I live there are hundreds of houses and cars bedecked with flags and banners. IMHO these are not football supporters. They are blindly following what they think is a show of national pride.
I have no problem with this....but please don't confuse this with true football fans.

I am willing to bet that none of the people who "wrecked" your evening have ever been to a live football game.

cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 05:00 AM

The England team went to visit an orphanage in South Africa this morning. "It's good to put a smile on the faces of people with no hope, constantly struggling and facing the impossible" said Jamal Umboto aged 6. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arnie
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 09:18 AM

Paraguay are showing us how it should be done - they're 2-0 up against Slovakia with only minutes to go. They're playing like they believe in themselves and the whole team seem full of energy and enthusiasm.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arnie
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 10:18 AM

And even the Kiwis are getting in on the act - they're leading Italy, the WC holders, 1-0! Shame that Smeltz was about half a yard offside when he scored but wrong decisions seem to be a feature of WC matches, especially this year. On the subject of rubbish decisions, I see that the Malian ref who disallowed the US winning goal has been called in for a chat by Fifa. The betting is that he will play no further part in the competition other than running the line.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 12:50 PM

I did not see it, but a buddy of mine told me it was atrocious. If so, he shouldn't be allowed on the picth.

Hmmm... maybe FIFA would be unwise to throw him off the pitch? Too much controversy?

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 12:53 PM

I am looking forward to see how Drogba does today. Not familiar with many others on either side.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 03:22 PM

Its nice to see a sanctioning body with some balls and good sense in one package. Many have one or the other but few have both.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 03:30 PM

Now, that there goal was purrrdy!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Acorn4
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 04:07 PM

The most entertaining bit so far has been Robbie Savage's commentary on Italy v New Zealand on Five Live.

Absolutely hilarious at times!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 04:19 PM

Disgraceful from the Ivory coast player.

The Tv shows that Kaka didn't do anything.

Football needs to get rid of cheats like that.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 04:36 PM

It started at the last substitution. I said to myself... that look in his eyes says he is going on the pitch to injure someone. Seconds later, it started. And it did not stop. What a bunch of nasty crap!

And, when buddy tried to run into to Kaka "inadvrtently" what was Kaka supposed to do? Let him? And he barely touched the pussy wimp.

Minds me of Canuck hockey... yer goin down so go out and injure. Sickening.

That second goal was not a goal due to what should have been handball penalties, but to take that anger and turn it into injuries and insult really pisses me off.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: maple_leaf_boy
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 07:53 PM

Yip. The red card against Kaka was bull. They never bothered to
review it. At least Brazil won, I have them picked to win it all.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 08:34 PM

To misquote an English supporter's them ( Football's coming home)

England's comin' home
They can't get through.
England's coming home,
They're feelin' blue!



Cheers
Nigel (Welsh with a feeling of schadenfreude!!)

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: alanabit
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 12:51 AM

That red card against Kaka was a disgrace. The prod with his forearm against the opponent's chest was so harmless that it would have been allowed in professional wrestling. The guy then dived clutching his face. The horrible foul on Bulmer Elano probably finished the tournament for one of Brazil's best players. The tackling from the Ivory Coast was just ghastly. I thought Brazil looked pretty tasty last night. Thank God England will probably not be in the tournament long enough to come up against them!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Bert
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 02:57 AM

Why not play the soccer World Cup with a soccer ball and have a JABULANI world cup for the new ball?

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: TopcatBanjo
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 04:01 AM

Yes, the red card against Kaka was a disgrace, but HELLO, didn't you notice that Brazil had spent the previous hour diving, simulating and trying to get Ivory Coast players booked?! Hoist by their own petard in my opinion! Not to mention the dirty cheats and their 2 x handball goal! And there was the referee laughing and joking with them about it...because we all love Brazil, don't we? Ugh.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arnie
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 06:15 AM

Fun and games in the French camp then. Anelka was always a sulky sod and what he said to the coach Domenech could not really go unpunished. However, for the whole French team to then refuse to train shows how bad things are in that camp. At least England players had a reportedly civilised meeting with Capello last night and have aired a few 'issues'. I think they've told Capello to play 4-3-2-1 or something similar, tell players they've been selected more than 2hrs before the match and get Joe Cole on the pitch! Being Capello, it is unlikely that he will take any notice of the players's demands as this would spoil his carefully-cultivated image of aloofness.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: TopcatBanjo
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 08:55 AM

One more thing about cheating Brazil - nice touch to see Brazil player (was it Lucio?) pulling Drogba's injured arm - classy!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 09:35 AM

Piece of piss for Portugal.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Acorn4
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 12:02 PM

i think I once heard a documentary on Brian Clough where it was said to be part of his genius in that he sometimes din't let players know if they were in the team until the last moment.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: alanabit
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 02:42 PM

I guess we see these things differently. I thought the "tackling" by the Ivory Coast was shocking. I saw some of the action replays on German TV and I reckon if I had been getting roughed up like that, I might have fallen over too. There is always going to be the odd borderline case of whether the ball has hit the chest or the shoulder and last night Fabiano got the run of the green. To me it looked like a moment of sublime skill, but I do like Brazilian football, I will admit. Could be I am watching through rose tinted spectacles. I shall try to watch a bit closer next time TopcatBanjo!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 03:05 PM

No doubt BRA was at the diving and feigning. It seems a part of Spanish football. And, yes, it has been taken up by many others, but they seem to "push it" to the extreme, especially the SA's.

I hope that ref that let two handballs go on the second BRA goal gets "called in" by FIFA like the last blatant screwup resulted in.

BTW, that fist ESP goal was absolutely stunning!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 03:06 PM

Oops... "first"? Freudian slip?

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 08:02 PM

Seen in the rear window of a car in Kingston (on Thames):

Two signs which together read:

England - Powered by Fairy Dust

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 04:15 AM

I wonder if these days whether the world cup is a celebration of the best in world football, or a celebration of the worst....

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 05:46 AM

As I've been saying for years (here, e.g.), FIFA should change the rule such that managers can only compete for their OWN nation. And the appointment of, e.g., Capello - win, lose, or draw - IS a disgrace to two nations.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 06:07 AM

hello WAV, long time no hear, I Have missed you, cant say I agree.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 06:16 AM

...why can't we agree on this, GSS - if managers are not important to the COMPETITION, why are foreign managers employed/payed a fortune...we prefer proper/fair play don't we?

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: gnu
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 07:22 AM

No worries for England now.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 07:23 AM

I think each national team needs to employ the best manager they can afford regardless of anything else, so a manager gets employed purely on merit, that means nationality is irrelevant unless the nationailty is a hindrance [inabilty to communicate with players through inabilty to speak the language].
so then an interpreter is employed, I dont know whether an interpreter overcomes the language problem or not, I dont know enough about it to make an informed opinion .

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: TopcatBanjo
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 08:29 AM

"I shall try to watch a bit closer next time TopcatBanjo!"
Can't say fairer than that alanabit!   ;o)

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 08:29 AM

Well it's certainly gone that way GSS - the stat. that no nation has won a W.C. with a foreign manager is more likely to end this time - many have done as you say. Either way, I hope FIFA change the rule ready for the next Worl Cup.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Les from Hull
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 09:33 AM

Not only is that a really stupid idea, it would be also illegal under current EU legislation.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 09:41 AM

The E.U., Les, should be dissolved - as I've said here, apart from some local government, all any citizen of our world needs is their own nation and the United Nations.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: MikeL2
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 11:32 AM

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: SPB-Cooperator - PM
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 04:15 AM

"I wonder if these days whether the world cup is a celebration of the best in world football, or a celebration of the worst...."

Both I think !!!

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: Arnie
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 03:24 PM

Nice to see that the French mutineers lost 2-1 to S Africa and are now homeward bound to face a government enquiry. They only qualified at Ireland's expense by Handball Henri's cheating. I see he came on as a sub in the second half which I think was his only contribution in this competition and he didn't get a chance to 'lend a hand' this time. It's a pity that S Africa haven't progressed to the next round - they performed really well and made the French look like the underdogs. The delicious irony of course is that the first SA goal was later shown to have gone in off the shoulder, so a handball! What comes around goes around as they say..

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: olddude
Date: 22 Jun 10 - 03:29 PM

the US was robbed,   what a crap call!!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: alanabit
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 04:24 AM

The US were certainly robbed, but they will qualify this afternoon if they beat Algeria. I think they have every chance. No one expects the US to play as badly against them as England did!
In view of what our side has achieved so far, I think we England fans had better maintain a discreet silence...

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 04:44 AM

Football aside, Ljubljana, in Slovenia, is definitely one of the most beautiful cities I visited on my walkabouts.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup 2010
From: TopcatBanjo
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 06:28 AM

Meanwhile, staying ON topic.....

Yes, I agree completely with Arnie that the French are making a richly-deserved early exit, ha ha ha. Unfortunately we are likely to be following them in short order if our spoiled millionaires don't get their act in order this afternoon. Hey-ho.