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Subject: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Shanghaiceltic Date: 01 Jan 10 - 06:27 PM For the last 8 years an uncle and I have been researching the family tree. Simpler nowdays as access to records on-line is much easier. Come across some surprising turns and twists based on an aural recolection written down many years ago. I have managed to push back to the late 1700's on direct branches. One of the saddest records I came across was for the effects of my Gt Gt Grandfather who died on April 5th 1918 at Aveluy Wood on the Somme. He was with the Prince of Wales Own Civil Service Rifles. From records held at the National Archives in the UK I have been able to read the battalion diaries for the day he died. He would have been listed as an OR (Other Ranks) killed in action. Only officers were identified by name. We have a splendid photo of him and his bride taken in 1908 in London along with about 40 other members of the family at the time. His effects were returned promptly and really only consisted of a watch with a missing glass,a watch key and case, some photo's, a souvenir coin, and some religous books. His body was never returned and we are not sure that the marker for his grave at Martinsart is correclty placed as records seem to indicate that he was given a field burial along with the 4 other men he was killed with, but later that was blown up by artillery fire and what was left was re-buried. He left a wife and two small children behind. I have also found records that show another relative who was injured in the Great War and headed off to Canada on discharge with his wife and three children. He was with the Royal Engineers and it look like he was one of the sappers overseeing the mines at Messines which were made famous by the book 'Birdsong'. Apparently they dug 22 mines of which 19 were detonated. 2 have no known location and one blew up in the 50's following a lightning strike which killed a cow plus bringing down the electricity pylons. Another, who gave up weaving in Essex to join up was quickly taken prisoner of war. He was with the Essex Regiment, Cyclists Battalion. One of the happier records is for a Gt Gt Grandfather on my mothers side who owned the 'floating baths and bathing machines' at Southend on Sea in Essex. The machines were for females only in order to preserve their modesty. He died at 90 of 'Apoplexy and brain siezures'. Wonder what upset him so much? Any other Catters researching and found interesting info? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: katlaughing Date: 01 Jan 10 - 06:49 PM I have been slowly researching for a number of years, but not as many personal notes as you have noted, though I did write a novel based on my dad's oral history of early days in Colorado. Originally I was going to present it as non-fiction, but there wasn't enough material, so a couple of people talked me into fictionalizing it. That was anathema to me for a long time, I thought it would be disrespectful, but I am pleased with the result. There's a bit of the early stuff I was working on HERE. I've had several thrills when finally discovering things one of which was the name of the neighbour by great-grandad had a shoot-out with and killed. My dad couldn't remember if it was Sullivan or another Irish last name. One day I found some mortuary records from that area online. There is was, the right date, etc. "Jim Sullivan, shot dead" etc. With that clue I was able to contact the state historical society which found an extensive Rocky Mountain News article about it! I also had a kind of odd thing happen. I was looking for info on a brother-in-law of my maternal grandma when I was led to an auction site which had his entire newish Civil War Union Officer's outfit up for bid. It was newer because he'd been a prisoner and was issued it when he returned to his unit or somesuch. I cannot remember the starting bid but it was way out of my range. I keep forgetting to watch ebay for genealogy-related items, including family bibles. You might find some interesting resources in This Old Thread. I look forward to hearing more. I LOVE this subject! I've another one I will post later.:-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Jeri Date: 01 Jan 10 - 06:57 PM My mother researched our genealogy, and was more interested in the stories of the people than anything else. One of my great-greats was Old Henry Fransisco. What follows was all information my mom had. There's actually a 'Fransisco Society'. From http://www.nortonancestry.com/warner: Hendrick Francisco has in various interviews stated that he was born in Essex, France on June 11, 1686. There are no records to confirm this. It is known however, that he died in Whitehall, New York on October 10, 1820.From http://forums.uechi-ryu.com/, on the author's trip to Whitehall, NY: Its most famous resident seems to have been "Old Henry Francisco" who lived to be (allegedly) 134 years old and listed as interred in "The Old Skene Cemetery" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Barry T Date: 01 Jan 10 - 07:13 PM I've been researching my roots (as well as my wife's) for the past four decades. It's either a passion or an obsession. 'Can't quite decide which. The best reward of all is reaching out to and making new friends with folks from all across the globe who are researching the same names. The hobby has also connected to music for me. Inspired by family history and the emotion it sometimes generates, I wrote two musical works to honour two of my ancestors born a century apart. An Emigrant's Daughter Gilbert Lightfoot (Bagpipe Slow Air) . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: akenaton Date: 01 Jan 10 - 07:17 PM As I have a rather unusual name, researching genealogy is fairly simple for me. One of the most interesting(to me) things I discovered, was that my great-great-grandfather sailed on "HMS Temeraire" after Trafalgar. The ship was of course celebrated in Turner's famous painting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Shanghaiceltic Date: 01 Jan 10 - 07:18 PM Thanks for the Ellis Island tip Kat. Just tried it to see if my errant Grandfather came up, he did a runner in the mid 1930's. No luck, though we know he did go to the US as we have some old letters posted from Washington DC. I have the feeling from research that he even lied about his name. It was easier to dissapear in the 30's than today and then set up a new identity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Rumncoke Date: 01 Jan 10 - 08:05 PM That is weird. My mother's mother's first husband died in the 1916 Somme Offensive, and left her a widow with two small children. He has no known grave. His daughter survived to old age, but had no children. His son died in infancy from diptheria. Though I supose there are many people with an ancestor, or a 'would have been' ancestor who died in the first world war. My actual grandfather was wounded at a place he and the family called Wypers - it was only long after I first heard the name that I found out that it is written Ypres. Anne Croucher |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Janie Date: 01 Jan 10 - 08:13 PM I am more of spectator and cheerleader for my sister than a researcher, but it is all quite fascinating. All of my ancestors on both sides of my family had immigrated to the Americas by 1730, and all very quickly headed toward the Appalachians. My branch of the family then spread out up and down the Appalachians and the Appalachian Plateau, but others soon went on to Arkansas, Missouri, Texas and Oklahoma. The amount of relocating, pulling up of stakes and moving on that occurred within each generation up until at least the Revolutionary War is truly astonishing. As I have read what others have shared and what my sister has learned, it is like reading of the history of the process of the founding of this country, its early settlement, and the economic, political and religious forces that drove the engine in microcosm, including the effects of Native Americans, particularly the Cherokee and other southeast tribes, as the first generation of my Williams anscestors to be born here moved quickly into the southern Appalachians and both fought with and married Native Americans. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: artbrooks Date: 01 Jan 10 - 08:21 PM The Brookses originally came over in the 1630s, but almost everyone else immigrated in the 1880s. The most interesting story, I think, is on my wife's side - she had a great-uncle Arthur who was employed by the White Star Line as a violinist. He was signed on to the Titanic, but traded his spot at the last minute to a friend who needed the billet. He later jumped ship in New York...an illegal immigrant, eh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: katlaughing Date: 01 Jan 10 - 08:57 PM Barry, it is good to see you posting. Thanks for the links. Those are both very evocative and beautiful. I still can get lost for hours in your site...the tunes and your arrangements, etc. are so incredible and extensive. My mom's brother did a lot of genealogy research pre-internet; he travelled to a lot of places, finding graves, etc. He traced us back to a Sir John Yeamans of Barbados, I suppose the most famous/infamous of our ancestors as he had a large plantation but coveted a neighbour's wife. He wound up killing the neighbour in a duel. There's a picture of the house and the story HERE. I've seen other records which report he brought 3-400 slaves with him from Barbados. Not something to be particularly proud of. Interestingly enough, my daughter's boyfriend is from North Carolina and is an American of African descent. In all of their research they have never found any ancestor who is listed as a slave. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: katlaughing Date: 01 Jan 10 - 09:03 PM There's actually a better write-up on Yeamans in a link on that page. Here is a DIRECT LINK. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Ed T Date: 01 Jan 10 - 10:20 PM One of my ancestors was an Acadian, (some of the first Eurpean settlers to Canada) His brothers and sisters (and families) were deportated to New England ( out of Canada) during the Acadian Deportation of 1755. At the time, the British declaired it illegal for any Acadian to be at large...and they could be captured, deported, or killed on site. He avoided deportation, was unarmed when shot by British troops while he was tending his fields on his farm. His wife and two children survived a fled to safe haven inside Canada. Most of his deported relatives eventually came back to Canada....save one who went back to France and one to Quebec. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: open mike Date: 02 Jan 10 - 02:10 AM i have added hundreds of names to my family tree. thanks to rootsweb contacts and mailing lists and web frorums. I also used to buy into the membership on ancestry, myfamily and genealogy.com. I have met several relatives on-line since researching them and visited them, and attended family reunions too. most of my searching was inspired by trying to find out about my grandfather who disappeared when my mom was 4, leaving grandma and the three children to live in the prairies before there was welfare to help. I have found out about several generations before my grandpa and also several generations after, but it is still a mystery about him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: bfdk Date: 02 Jan 10 - 05:31 AM Count me in, please :-) I've been at it for some 10-15 years now, and have my own Genealogy homepage which lists the ancestors of my 4 grandparents as far back as I know them. Or rather, it needs updating, as I've found more bits and pieces in the meantime, just never got round to updating.. Most of the homepage is in Danish, though, but there's a small intro in English. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Will Fly Date: 02 Jan 10 - 05:46 AM I've been doing family history research for over 40 years, but it's really in the last 10 or so years - with the rise of the internet and computer power - that most of my results have been produced. It's not only the databases such as the IGI and those provided via Ancestry that have produced data, but also communications from other people who've linked to my family data using GenesReunited, genealogy bulletin boards and other family websites. I used to keep various files in Filemaker Pro, Word, Excel and other formats, but now I just keep all my found data in handwritten books and transcribe it all into the (Mac) Reunion software. Ancestors came mainly from Lancashire and Norfolk in the UK, with deeper roots in Ireland (Kildare), Scotland (Edinburgh) and probably the Low Countries. Some ancestors migrated to Canada (Ontario), some to Utah to join the Mormon faith, some to Australia and some to South America. One or two fought in the American Civil War and received pensions from the US government for doing so. Trades were mainly miners, blacksmiths, agricultural workers, shoemakers, tailors, etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Stu Date: 02 Jan 10 - 10:18 AM I started doing my family history a couple of years ago and it's been an exciting journey. On my maternal side we traced the female side of the family back into mid-Wales after believing for years they came from the Valleys. They hopped over the border occasionally just inside Herefordshire and the far west of Shropshire around Clun but all roads eventually lead back to Wales, Radnorshire especially. The male side of Mum's family came from Essex (the Rodings) and we think some may have originally come from Scotland too. My great-great grandfather was a coachman who worked in the stables at Windor during the glory years of Queen Victoria's reign. It must have been some sight. My father's side led to the real surprises though. We had rumours of French, gypsy and Irish in the family but it wasn't until I contacted a great Uncle that we began find out the details. One side of the family were gypsies who worked the canals and eventually settled in Southall in West London; at the time it was well-known as a gypsy are. One great-great grandmother had twenty-two children by two different husbands! Another great-grandmother was Irish but I am researching the details at the moment. By far the greatest story came down from my rather wayward great-great-grandfather. He was born in Shoreditch as was his father. His mother was too, but her maiden name was Cameroux and it turned out her family were Huguenots who came to England in the 18th Century intow waves; one via Berlin and Mannheim where the family fled to escape persecution where they originated from, near Nimes in the south of France. The others came from Rouen and Uzes and went straight to England where their marriage is recorded. I'm hoping to travel there this year to see where my ancestors came from. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: kendall Date: 02 Jan 10 - 10:48 AM As far as I can trace them, my fathers ancestors originated in Scandinavia, settled in Normandy, changed the name to DeMors, invaded England with William the conqueror, settled in Marlborough, changed the name to Morse,two brothers emigrated to America in 1635. One settled in the province of Maine,and one of the men was killed while defending an Indian against white men near Robbinston Maine in 1742 I think it was. After serving in the American Civil War my great grandfather left his family and went to Australia where he died looking for gold. It is hard find out anything about my Mothers ancestors, my maternal grandmother divorced my real grandfather and wouldn't talk about him. Her grandfather died in Libby prison in Richmond during the Civil war.Her maiden name was Crabtree, and my Mothers name was Webber, so I'm sure they were of English heritage. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Bill D Date: 02 Jan 10 - 12:57 PM Here is a simple program for entering your records. It is called, surptisingly, Simple Family Tree (scroll down for links) Here's an image of it with an edit box open I have been adding stuff for several years now, and have followed my family back to Delaware in the 1700s and to Virginia in the early 1800s.... I 'might' have one branch back to Europe, but one must be careful. I have one verified female ancestor named Farrabee, but whether I can be sure exactly which branch she is from is not clear, as I found this, referring to 2 generations earlier, on one page... "The FARABEES are a well researched line and there's lots of information on Farabee / Furbee / Furby. [But please note: As of yet, it has not been proven by Farabee researchers that Caleb Farabee is the same Caleb Furbee that married Jane Brady. So far this only seems to be an assumption made by Louis Thomas Farabee, author of "The Genealogy of the Farabees in America."]? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: GUEST Date: 02 Jan 10 - 05:08 PM I am. I know enough that if I ever go to County Offaly I have permission to cut peat there. I also found out some horrifying stuff about my mother's family. And now I am intrigued by the possibility of Melungeon blood...Williams of Georgia..and Williams is one of the Melungeon names...and would explain certain things...just found out a Chinese-Melungeon possible connection...this will be the year of the Melungeon so people keep googling...it is fascinating and is going to rewrite American history..not just of supposed European Americans -- but also of Native Americans from way long ago. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: katlaughing Date: 02 Jan 10 - 05:52 PM BillD, thanks for the links! What a great site. I've downloaded the Simple Family Tree, the PianoRollComposer and the Simple Piano. The last one will be a fun one to use with Morgan. I love reading everyones' stories; it's just so amazing to know what they all went through. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: ragdall Date: 03 Jan 10 - 01:14 AM My maternal grandparents each emigrated from Sweden around the beginning of the twentieth century. On a visit to Sweden a few years ago, I spent a day at the Utvandrarnas Hus in Växjö where they keep records of people who left the country. I was able to find microfiche copies there of actual church registers in Illinois, USA. My grandparents marriage was recorded, as were the baptisms of my mother and her two siblings. I now have printouts of each of those. rags |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: bubblyrat Date: 03 Jan 10 - 09:40 AM I started doing my "Family Tree" ,via Genes Reunited,about 3 years ago,and was able to discover many things about my real mother,whom I didn't meet until I was 50 ! Even then,she couldn't tell me much,as she didn't know herself ; for example,she thought that she was born in Swindon,when in fact ( I later discovered) it was Fulham ! I had masses of help from a gentleman who also had,like me, links to the Eke family of East Dereham,and other nearby villages,in Norfolk, and we discovered that we shared a great-grandmother !! I only recently discovered that he is actually "WILL FLY "(see post above !!) so he came to visit recently and played at Marlow Bottom Folk Club !!! "Wild Flying Dove" is a very keen genealogist,and is a member of the "Guild Of One Name Studies" ---We recently had a day out at the National Archives in Kew.....Fantastic ,can't wait to go back. Sadly,all my ancestors turned out to be ordinary and boring,like me!Mainly agricultural labourers, inn-keepers,cord wanglers,that sort of thing,although there are one or two pilots ( ship's pilots,that is) and ,inevitably,some bastards. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Monique Date: 03 Jan 10 - 11:07 AM @ Sugarfoot Jack: if you put "Cameroux" into Google, you'll find English speaking sites addresses, not French ones. I put it into the French phone directory and could find noone with this name, not only in Nîmes but in the whole area. The only name I can think of is "Camroux" without the "e" -can be spelled "Camproux" too- which is the Occitan for "champ roux" (red field) written in French spelling -the Occitan would be "camp ros"- and is a family name from the Gard "département" (Nîmes's). Btw, in Occitan, which was the only language spoken here at that time except for the notables that would also speak French, Camroux/Camproux was pronounced "kamroos", stressed on the last syllable, final "s" sounding, whatever the spelling. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Anne Lister Date: 03 Jan 10 - 11:33 AM I've been diving into my family history for a while, mostly using the census records to get started and fill in blanks. It's been fascinating, if only to discover that as far back as I've managed to get (1600s on my father's side) there's just English names and place names involved - I was convinced I'd find an Irish connection somewhere, but it's nowhere to be seen. There is still the mystery that first appealed to me, though. My maternal grandfather, Walter Thorne, was quite a character. His mother, Alice Skull, was in service in London when he was born and try as I might I can't find a record of her marriage. She gave birth to Walter at what I now know to have been her sister's family home, and although there's a father's name on the birth certificate I can't trace anyone of that name and occupation on the census records at the time. It seems likely that she chose the name "Thorne" as that was her own mother's maiden name, and that she chose not to reveal the father. Was it her employer at the time (a favourite theory of one of my sister's)? At any rate, from my Mum's memory of her she was a severe, strict woman of high standards, so someone fairly amazing must have made her kick over the traces! But Walter was fostered for some years, as Alice went back to work (I'd guess she had no choice) and the family who fostered him were, apparently, abusive drunks. He ran away to sea as soon as he was old enough - falsified his age by a year to join the Merchant Navy. Continued with the false age to join the army, and then transferred to the newly created Royal Flying Corps. He finished his service days as Air Vice-Marshal, and my Mum's tale was that a job fell vacant in the war which carried an automatic knighthood. There were two men in line for the job, and all that separated them was that one man was (on paper at least) a year younger - so Walter's fudging of his birthdate caught up with him in due course. If any Mudcatter knows of a George Thorne who was in London in 1897/8 and who was a journeyman carpenter I'd be fascinated to know - otherwise my maternal great grandfather is likely to remain a mystery, and so my tracking back has to stop there on that line, which is frustrating. Otherwise there's no blue blood anywhere and all that's remarkable is how each line of the family headed towards London at some point - my Dad's family from Yorkshire, the Cotswolds and Devon and my Mum's family (as far as I can go) from Wiltshire and Cornwall. That was the other coincidence I've enjoyed - one possible contender for my Mum's maternal grandfather seems to have worked as a lock keeper in St Katharine's Dock in London, which is where I lived for about twenty years, and his parents started off in Cornwall where I have often wanted to live and feel very much at home. I love this stuff! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Stu Date: 03 Jan 10 - 12:46 PM Monique - apologies but my spelling of Camroux was wrong (I should check my posts before hitting submit!). My earliest recorded ancestor there is a Daniel Camroux who lived there in the 17th Century. I can't take any credit for finding this out; the family tree was researched by a lady in Switzerland who is a far distant relative via the Camroux line. She also sent me a wedding record which translated reads thus: There is a wedding engagement between on the one hand - Jean Simon Camroux born in Berlin, son of the late Simon Camroux of Gozarques near Duzes and Anne Claire Laplace of Manheim father and mother,and on the other hand - Susanne Desvaux born in London daughter of the late Pierre Desvaux born in Rouen (old spelling Rouan) in Haute-Normandie and the late Marie Soif. This shows the Camroux family came to England via Germany although they seem to have only married within the Huguenot community if I'm reading the record above correctly. Fascinating information regarding the origin of the name - thank you very much. In my ignorance I have never heard of the Occitan language or the people who spoke it. I'll certainly be looking into that now! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Ed T Date: 03 Jan 10 - 12:49 PM There are some good Canadian resource links here: http://www.generations.on.ca/genealogy-links.htm I would not rule out the Church of the Latter Day Saints resource....their resources are significant....and goes far beyond their church followers because of their beliefs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: kendall Date: 03 Jan 10 - 01:19 PM There is no Irish in me as far as I know, but there was some Scotch in me last Thursday. That should count for something. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: katlaughing Date: 03 Jan 10 - 01:24 PM Monique, might I ask if you know of any significance or meaning of the name Lecroix? It was my maternal grandfather's middle name. I've never seen it anywhere else, with that spelling. He was very English American, born in Pennsylvania and settled in Colorado. I haven't found any likely French connections on that side of the family, nor did my uncle who did extensive research. Thanks, either way. kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Ed T Date: 03 Jan 10 - 01:26 PM Many people claim Irish heritage for a day on St. Patty's Day...it's surprising how much being green for a day is celebrated, even in places as (much French speaking) Quebec? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Sandy Mc Lean Date: 03 Jan 10 - 01:49 PM I trace all of my ancestral lines back to The Small Isles of Scotland's Hebrides. Most left as a result of the "clearance" of the Isle of Rum in 1826. Emigration to Cape Breton Island and eastern Nova Scotia from Highland Scotland made Gaelic the dominant culture and language up to my parent's generation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Monique Date: 03 Jan 10 - 01:50 PM Sugarfoot Jack - The only town name sounding/looking like "Duzes" is Uzès -it was the duchy of Uzès - "of Uzès" is "d'Uzès" in French, hence probably this "Duzes". "Gozarques" can't be found anywhere, the only town/village name sounding more or less alike is Guzargues, 48 miles from Uzès. The names of the towns that started as Roman properties ending in -anicum end in -argues in Southern France and French hasn't changed that much from the 17th century that what is -argues nowadays could have been -arques then. There's nothing like a hamlet of that name near there either. Occitan is what you English speakers call "Provençal". Kat - I can only think of a mispelling of the family name "Lacroix" meaning "The cross" and is quite common: 30,000 people are called Lacroix in France while there are just above 200 called "Lecroix". I never heard of it as a name, only as a surname, so it's sounds weird as a middle name -unless your grandpa had a double-barreled name! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Monique Date: 03 Jan 10 - 01:53 PM Correction: "it sounds weird", not "it's sounds weird" (I'll be a 1st grade teacher till I die!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Dave Earl Date: 03 Jan 10 - 02:24 PM Got back to 1519 (well my brother did) to a little place in Norfolk (UK) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: katlaughing Date: 03 Jan 10 - 02:27 PM Thanks, Monique, It was fairly common over here for children to have a middle name which was their mother's maiden name or some other relative's surname. Thing is we haven't found that to be the case with grandpa. We pronounced it "lah CROY ee." The "ees" are almost silent. Maybe his parents just liked the sounds of "Myron Lecroix XXXXXXX.":-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: brashley46 Date: 03 Jan 10 - 04:23 PM I and my brother and a cousin have been poking around at it for years now. We've traced the maternal line back to a Ross family who arrived in Charleston, SC, in 1772, and settled in Chester District (now Chester County SC). Of course they picked the one area where the mixture of Germans from Pennsylvania coming down the Wagon Road and Scotch-Irish coming in from the already-settled coastal plain did NOT result in a variant of the mountain dulcimer developing from the zitter, so I cannot say I have taken up an ancestral instrument. On Dad's side we go rather further back to a Desrosiers in Burgundy in the early 17th century who settled in Quebec - except there is a little glitch in the records between Antoine Lafrenier elder and younger. We'll find it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Joe_F Date: 03 Jan 10 - 08:36 PM I have never done any researching myself. But a good friend, of blessed memory, was into genealogy, and he traced my mother's father's line, which is well recorded because it was mostly in the U.S. from before the Revolution. According to him, with one probable but not certain identification, I am descended from William Brewster, the pastor & leader of the Mayflower expedition. My mother's mother's line also goes back a ways in the U.S., but her name was Magdalena Carolina Wilhelmina Augusta Oppermann, which makes it likely that her father belonged to the large German immigration to the Middle West in the mid 19th century. Both my father's parents immigrated from what is now Poland about 1890. Efforts to trace their ancestry there have been frustrating. They took the pseudoGerman name Fineman on immigrating, as a bit of social climbing. So -- American mutt, as people say these days. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Bill D Date: 03 Jan 10 - 09:42 PM Well... I have had quite a day in the online records! Found one guy who had seem my family gravestones in Pennsylvania, and got the names to fill in and go back in several lines. Turns out I have 7 generations of Armstrongs going back before my grandmother....and SHE married into the Murrays! So I guess I can assume a couple branches were Scots border raiders... *grin*. Still sorting it out, and since the oldest records show 2 generations of John Armstrongs back to 1640 in Anne Arundle county, Maryland, I have no idea where they were from in Scotland....but anyone named John Armstrong in 1640 probably knew the significance of his name. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: katlaughing Date: 03 Jan 10 - 11:40 PM That will be a fascinating connection to pursue, Bill! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Shanghaiceltic Date: 04 Jan 10 - 03:31 AM I added another piece of military family history to the tree today. Sadly this young man, Frederick Rush never returned home. Joined up in 1915 and spent time with the 24th London Regiment during 1916 and 1917 in Macedonia and then saw almost continuous action in Palestine until July 1918 when his regiment was disbersed and amalgamated with the 2nd London regiment and sent to the Somme. He was shot in the back in Septemer 1918 at Epehy and died of his wounds on October 1st 1918 at a military hospital in Rouen. He is buried in Rouen. The National Archives has allowed Ancestors access to the service records of many of the people who served in the army in WW1 and the records are quite detailed. It seems many on my fathers side of the family joined up and now I have records for 4 of them, two of whom died. On a happier note I need to re visit a couple of pubs in Northleach, Gloucestershire as again many of my fathers side originated from there and owned two coaching inns as well as coaching businesses. The railways put paid to their business so they some went into race horse breeding while others made their way to London. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: mg Date: 04 Jan 10 - 05:20 PM No problem with people in Quebec celebrating St. Patrick's Day. There is a tremendous influx of Irish blood into Quebecois blood via adoption and itermarriage in the potato famine. The Quebecois, parishoniers, priests, nuns..saved so many lives and some should..if they have not been..be nominated for sainthood for going into the fever sheds etc. Many orphans..mangy, starving..were adopted into French families. There were many marriages with no impedments because they were Catholic. Read up on Gross Isle...horrifying but sometimes uplifting at the same time. Some say this is where music became intertwined as well. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: bubblyrat Date: 05 Jan 10 - 10:23 AM Farthest back I have managed to get is about 1560, to an ancestor called Richard Tribe, or Trybe, of Godalming,in Surrey,making me a true Southerner, I guess ! I was less thrilled about a tenuous link with some people called Fuck, from the Isle of Wight, although happily the name fell into disfavour in the 1600s. I imagine that all the female members were understandably keen to marry as soon as possible ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: GUEST, Sminky Date: 06 Jan 10 - 04:57 AM Tracing one's family history is a fascinating (and never-ending) journey. I've been at it for 25 years and there's a surprise around every corner. One ancestral uncle was Bishop of Carlisle (two of his brothers-in-law were in Appleby gaol for debt). I've got distant relatives in the House of Lords. On the other hand, my grandmother's parents were step-brother and sister and great grandfather was an alcoholic policeman. I only wish I had started the journey earlier. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Catherine Jayne Date: 06 Jan 10 - 05:12 AM I started about 3 years ago. Dad has my great great great Grandfathers (could be another great on there) papers from his apprentiship at 14 on the caledonian railway...start of, right though to to all of his merchant sea papers. It makes for very interesting reading about his travels and his references are fantastic! Both my mums side and my dads side of the family are originally from Scotland, no wonder they wanted to move back there! Dad's side of the family all have the female maiden name as a middle name although it stopped with my dad. All first born sons seem to be named John MacNoughton Pettigrew although Grandad decided to stop this with his sons. Paul and I decided to use my maiden name as one of the middle names for all our children. Paul has done a fair bit of work on his family tree for a number of years and has presented it all in a folder/book. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: GUEST, Sminky Date: 06 Jan 10 - 08:18 AM Anyone tracing English ancestors should check out if there is an Online Parish Clerks website for their county of interest (click on 'Links' for other counties). This is a source of full transcriptions of parish registers etc (unlike the IGI). The one for Lancashire is particularly well advanced. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Bill D Date: 09 Jan 10 - 04:18 PM refreshing to note that I did some clever cross-searching and found some fascinating new links to a couple of branches of my tree. I am now back 14 generations in a couple of lines....to England in one and to Holland in another. When searching, it is helpful to try different combinations of KNOWN names, even though they aren't your immediate concern, as they may appear as well-researched side-branches in someone else's genealogy. Also, be very careful of names... I spent hours sorting out a confusion between several 'Calebs', and finally discovered one of them had been married twice, and it was his 2nd wife who was MY ancestor, even though we weren't the more famous branch. In the 1700s, I found re-use of names quite common, with Thomas, Daniel, Stephen, Joseph, John, Samuel often repeated every other generation...and in cousins... making careful attention to dates essential! I also decided to download the LDS (Mormon) free software for entering data. It allowed me to import the GED file from "Simple Family Tree" and create a more detailed record, with links to and display of, pictures. Since I am about to start scanning a huge batch of old family photos and records, this will be a great help. ("Simple Family Tree" still provides a lovely, clear layout chart for visualizing the entire scope of things, so I will keep both up to date.) Here is the furtherest back I can find reference to the English branch... Furbys (later 'Farabee') |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Stringsinger Date: 09 Jan 10 - 04:29 PM The bones are rattling in my family closet. Confederate army captains, slave owners, card sharps and scammers and all kinds of creepy folk. You enter genealogy at your own risk. Frank |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Bill D Date: 09 Jan 10 - 04:59 PM "You enter genealogy at your own risk." *grin*...indeed, Frank... some of my ancestors waved bibles a lot! (A couple were even preachers!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: GUEST,Jan Sills Date: 03 Sep 15 - 02:22 PM Hi I have just found your post on line and think I am related to the camroux family,the camroux line eventually married Sussanah Dye, then from that marriage as girl called Sussannah Camroux married Thomas Lay my great great great grandfather. Hope this makes sense. Kind Regards Jan Sills formerly Jan Preston. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Megan L Date: 03 Sep 15 - 02:51 PM Jan stu is still around but may not check this thread since it is several years old why not join and send him a personal message. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: LadyJean Date: 04 Sep 15 - 02:12 AM I had a look for the lady known in our family as great great grandmother Eunice Brown who was captured by the Indians. I think there are a few more greats in there, for me. I also discovered there were two Eunice Browns. I have a sampler worked by one of them. But I'm uncertain as to which one. I am likewise uncertain as to which one was captured by the Indians. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Brakn Date: 04 Sep 15 - 04:54 AM I've been doing it, on and off, for the last 35 years though now I seldom look at my family. I usually just volunteer to do friends if they're curious. I did win an award from wikipedia for being the first person to ever sort out John Lennon's family tree. Every book about him had the wrong information about his family. A lot of famous authors were not happy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Rumncoke Date: 04 Sep 15 - 06:50 AM After some research I found that my mother's father was a bigamist, was wounded at Mons, not Ypres, changed his middle name twice, had lied about his age to make himself two years older to join the army, and my uncle, who wanted to discover his father's origins upset his sister so much by what he found out she never spoke to him again. Uncle Cyril wanted to find living male descendants, who shared his surname. Just before his death I discovered that there were two great grandsons of his uncle living in the US, and although by then he was not using his phone so I could not tell him directly, the information was passed on to him through the family, and after a long and fruitless search he knew that his name would not become extinct. On my dad's side there were linen weavers, union men agitating for a living wage way back. Just looking at the number of people crammed into one house as listed in each census, each family with a couple of lodgers, shows the way that the 'have nots' spent their lives creating wealth for the 'haves' for generations. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: GUEST,mg Date: 04 Sep 15 - 07:37 PM I have been doing it for the last few years..amateur of course. But the news is that I am very very royal on my mother's side..she was descended from the planters of virginia and they all apparently had royal ancestry. Lots of Scots ancestry which I had no idea of. Always knew of a strain of Dutch..they are hard to follow as their names transmograte quite a bit. I am very very royal Stewart to the extent that whenever I see on come up in my tree I just stop right there because it will make an even bigger mess..a stewart will marry a stewart or if he doesn't his mother in law was a stewart. I can not sort them out. Anyway, I can trace my mother's side back to year 200 or so to the God Woden...just join ancestry.com and you can too. Father's side..5 names..none go back further than late 1700s. My greatest surprises, other than how Scottish I am, which I have to not use that word anymore, are that I have so many cousins from Camaroon due to the vileness of slavery and perhaps a bride selling operation. The other big surprise is how many of my ancestors, both English and Scottish, died in the Battle of Flodden..like very many..some days I would find three or four on one day. I think it is inthe dozens perhaps. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: GUEST,mg Date: 04 Sep 15 - 07:38 PM oh yes..Mary Magdalene via the Sinclairs and others. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Airymouse Date: 04 Sep 15 - 08:50 PM Monique"It's" vs. "Its" is confusing, because usually the apostrophe s usually denotes the possessive singular. If we would simply go back to using "his" instead of "its" as in "Love alone his watch is keeping," the confusion would disappear. I think it unlikely that I will win the world over to this idea, so in the meantime I will champion the pronunciation of mineralogy and genealogy as they are spelled and not as if they were minerology and geneology. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Bill D Date: 04 Sep 15 - 09:14 PM Note.. Monique posted 5 years ago. I had almost forgotten this thread.... but I have made a couple of breakthroughs due to checking alternate spellings of names and the fact that people are adding new research to various families every day. I am relatively (so's to speak) lucky because my father's family was in Western Pennsylvania and moved there from Delaware, New Jersey and Connecticut in the 1700s. The early settlers in the 1600s & 1700s in those states kept many records, and are researched extensively, so that I now have records of ancestors who arrived in the very early colonial days- with the added interest that their roots to England, Scotland & Wales are known as well as a couple links to France. Of course, a few supposed links need more research because many old records were ambiguous... taken from probated wills and other English documents ....and way too many folks were named 'John' and 'Mary' back then. Still, I find that I have tenuous (read- VERY tenuous) links to Winston Churchill and Prince Charles. Why, I may be 137,972nd in line to the throne! I'll post a few links later to 'interesting' families in England that seem to be fairly clear & certain. (My mother's family from the Virginia area seems not to have been nearly so well documented. Only 5-6 generations there, while 15-20 generations on my father's side.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Bill D Date: 04 Sep 15 - 10:21 PM One of the key links to going back for me: http://www.geni.com/people/Elizabeth-Day/6000000012534205217 A few more recent finds. Geni.com has become a welcome alternative to Ancestry.com to get much info without paying until you really need to. http://www.geni.com/people/Edward-immigrant-Riggs-Sr/6000000001386759431 http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/j/o/n/Wayland-Dean-Jones/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0807.html http://www.geni.com/people/John-Brett/6000000017227258297 http://www.axtell-surname.org.uk/fam3861.html http://www.geni.com/people/Agnes-Pratt/6000000000652563582 http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Elizabeth_Kingham_(1) http://www.geni.com/people/Adrian-Whetehill/318783948760006712 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Stu Date: 09 Sep 15 - 08:58 AM Big thanks to Megan for alerting me to the resurrection of this thread. Jan - All the Camroux in England are related to the Daniel Camroux I mentioned in my original post, so we will be related somewhere along the line. In the meantime, I've been doing less family history but what I have discovered has been interesting, especially from the London side. The Huguenots married into a long line of Londoners, mainly from the east end but in earlier times getting closer to the city. I have ancestors baptised/married/deaths recorded in several of Hawksmoor churches including St George's, Bloomsbury which has the original font still in it. It seems the family emerged from the St Giles rookery, at the time a labyrinthine slum occupied mainly by Irish immigrants and beyond the law (this explains why my nan kept saying we were Irish somewhere back, she was right about everything else). Some of my relatives were married in Rules of The Fleet, a spot by the ancient prison popular for clandestine marriages. It seems they were rum 'uns and coves by all account, and the family certainly has a rather, er, colourful history I won't going here (and is ongoing). This is pretty much as far as I've got back, but I'm sure with effort I could get further. Everyone should do this! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: rich-joy Date: 15 Feb 18 - 07:25 PM I know this is an old thread - but Family History research is NEVER ending, LOL - and one must explore all avenues! My two bob's worth is that I am mainly researching in Australia, New Zealand and the UK. Not interested in royalty and high society (unless no-strings money flows to me, haha!) and I am one of the seemingly rare Aussies without Irish forebears, so, mostly English and Scots. Oh yeah, and 2 direct line Convicts (both Burglars!!)...... West Aussie : SIDNEY - SYDNEY / THACKER / BRIDGE / YOUD / and the odd COOK // Victoria : BRIDGE / YOUD / and some HIPWELL and SIMS // New Zealand : BRIDGE // England : SIDNEY - SYDNEY / THACKER / BRIDGE / YOUD / GOGEY-GOGAY / BOLAIS / and some HIPWELL and the odd COOK // Cheers! Rich-Joy Down Under |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Donuel Date: 15 Feb 18 - 08:29 PM I spend a lot of time researching Gynecology. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Senoufou Date: 16 Feb 18 - 06:46 AM My sister did ours a while ago, back to the early seventeenth century (just my father's side, as our mother was Irish, and records are not available for many people born in Ireland) It seems most of our ancestors were connected with the sea - fishermen, sea-captains, Customs and Excisemen at the ports, and later Air-Sea Rescue. The others were coal miners. My father always said he was descended form the Vikings (he did look like a Viking!) as his ancestors lived in the very north of Scotland (the town there bears our name) It makes me laugh as I hate the sea and get seasick if I look at a boat, never mind step aboard one. I can swim, but I never go out of my depth. One day I'd like to do one of those DNA tests to see if my father was right. I found a long-lost cousin not long ago on Facebook (my husband is on it, not me) He's a terrible racist by all accounts, and a member of the BNP. He lives quite far away fortunately. I might just contact him one day and show him a photo of my (very) black husband, just to make him squirm! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: ChanteyLass Date: 18 Feb 18 - 03:51 PM Senoufou, are you familiar with this song by Micca? "ADD: Chanteyman Who's Never Gone to Sea (Micca)" (Read the whole thread to find the missing half-verse, the tune, and another song on the same subject.) In addition to hearing Marc Bernier sing it at Mystic, a few years ago, I heard Faye Ringel sing it, but she changed "chanteyman" to "chantey lass." When she'd finished, I resisted the temptation to tell her, "Hey, I'm ChanteyLass!" Uh-oh, I tried to make a blue clicky link to the URL for the Mudcat thread with this title, but when I tested it I got a 404 File Not Found message! I found it by googling: Lyrics chanteyman who's never gone to sea, so you can try that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Senoufou Date: 18 Feb 18 - 04:05 PM Chanteylass, I've just found the song on Youtube (Marc Bernier version) and it really made me laugh! I'd never heard it before. "I'll stick to terra firma, that's the safest place to be!" That's exactly how I feel about the blooming sea! Taking my pupils on the ferry over to Normandy was a nightmare. I was constantly being sick. The obliging children kept me well-supplied with sick bags, bless them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Helen Date: 22 Feb 18 - 01:55 PM Senoufou, thanks for making me spray a mouthful of tea all over my keyboard, laughing at you wanting to make your ex husband squirm. I've been doing my family history, off and on for a few years. I did the DNA test and it has matched me with cousins here and there. At one point another person on Ancestry with connections to my Mother's side had erroneously added a black slave from the Caribbean into their tree so I was madly hoping that I would have some African blood, but I was fairly sure - and this was confirmed - that the other researcher had just found a matching name and plonked it into their tree without doing the proper verifications. So sadly, I am not part African. No surprise that I have Great Britain (which I think means the early Britons, Welsh etc) Irish, and traces from Scandinavia, Finland/Northwest Russia, and Iberian Peninsula which was a multicultural melting pot including Celtic. What was a bit of a surprise, and I still don't know where this comes from, was 26% Europe East. I would have thought that there would be about that percentage of Anglo-Saxon but I don't know how I have Eastern European instead. Who knows? It's interesting. I am glad I did it. Helen |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Senoufou Date: 22 Feb 18 - 02:34 PM It was my long-lost, apparently racist cousin I wanted to make squirm Helen. So far, my lovely husband isn't my 'ex' hee hee. (We've been married for donkey's years) I'm so tempted to contact this man, he's the last male member of the family to have the same name (My sister and I took our husband's names) From his photos it looks as if he's covered in racist tattoos and football slogans (Newcastle United) I reckon he's an absolute thug! I'd like to send him some photos of my husband in his African traditional costume, he'd probably be sick! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Helen Date: 22 Feb 18 - 02:45 PM Sorry Senoufou, I misread who you were talking about. But it was still funny. Helen |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Senoufou Date: 22 Feb 18 - 03:08 PM I wish I had some African blood in me Helen. Even as a small child I was fascinated by Africa. My Irish mother had black curly hair and quite olive-y skin. It'd be super if she'd had some African in her! I'm determined to do that DNA thing sometime soon. My husband cheekily says I'd find I was mostly Neanderthal. As for him, he'd have no need to do it, as he's Senoufo through and through. His tribe have lived in remote northern Cote d'Ivoire for millenia, hunting and gathering in early times and not interbreeding with any other peoples. His sister recently married a Wolof from Senegal, but that's rare. Their two little boys have inherited the taller, stockier shape of the Wolofs, instead of the more willowy, delicate form of their Senoufo mum. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Helen Date: 22 Feb 18 - 03:36 PM Senoufou, I waited until Ancestry had a discount on the DNA and then I bought it for myself as a present for Christmas or a birthday. Your mother's black curly hair might have been introduced from when the Spanish Armada was prowling around the Irish coastlines. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Genealogy...anyone researching From: Senoufou Date: 22 Feb 18 - 03:44 PM That could well be the case, as she was from Cork. I might ask for a DNA test for Christmas. |
