BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?

Subject: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: ichMael
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 11:13 PM

Videos of the "spitting and n-word" incident have now been reviewed endlessly, and no proof has been found that any of the alleged actions took place. In fact, one of the principals involved in the event (Rep. Heath Shuler, Democrat, North Carolina) has now recanted his original statements. He lied. From the Wall Street Journal:

Shuler was walking with Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, an African-American, toward the Capitol building when the crowd starting yelling racial epithets at Cleaver, who was a civil rights activist in the 1970s. They even spat at him.

"It was the most horrible display of protesting I have ever seen in my life," Shuler said.

Multiple members of Congress reported racial epithets being shouted at African-American members over the weekend.

"It breaks your heart that the way they display their anger is to spit on a member and use that kind of language," Shuler said.

But when we phoned Shuler's office this afternoon, press secretary Julie Fishman told us the local reporter misunderstood. According to Fishman, Shuler's comments to the Times-News referred to the general tenor of the protests, not to the black congressmen's specific allegations.

Fishman said that Shuler was not walking with Cleaver and did not hear the "N-word."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303348504575184081507879688.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion

Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act creates a category of crime called "domestic terrorism," penalizing activities that "involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States," if the actor's intent is to "influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion."

Shuler lied and incited to riot. This would meet the terrorist criteria spelled out in Section 802 of the PATRIOT Act. Shuler is a terrorist. False witness, too, which undermines everything that all civilized societies are based on, so he's also a barbarian. He needs to be prosecuted. The trend of the lunatic left using false flag tactics is growing, and it is unconscionable.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: michaelr
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 11:17 PM

You are a moron. Find some moron's forum to bother.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: MarkS
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 11:20 PM

Why a moron?

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: ichMael
Date: 16 Apr 10 - 11:23 PM

Thank you for your input.

Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act creates a category of crime called "domestic terrorism," penalizing activities that "involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States," if the actor's intent is to "influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion."

Shuler's lie was calculated to "influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion."

He's a terrorist. By definition.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Amos
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 12:16 AM

Seems to me th eguy who was hooting and spraying was trying to intimidate far more energetically than the guy who was walking with dignity toward the courthouse.

But as far as you have shown us, Ichy, you seem to have a knack for turning things upside down, like a fun-house mirror.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 01:14 AM

The Girl Scouts a Terrorist Organization?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: mousethief
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 01:17 AM

Why did I know from the title that this piece of ridiculousness would be started by ichMael? Can I interest you in a different hobby?

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 02:13 AM

Can somebody explain the logic of the first post? What IS he saying?

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 03:12 AM

It's the Ick-male Factor, folks, every website must have one..totally illogical with no original thoughts of its own..automatons of Fox et alia.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 08:26 AM

Another Martin "mental midget" Gibson...

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 09:29 AM

Being a moron means never having to explain what you're saying.
Or saying your're sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 06:49 PM

I haven't heard the Democratic Party describes as an organization in decades...

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: ichMael
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 06:49 PM

Let's see what feedback this topic has received. People are piling on the Tea Party for some reason, calling them KKK and such, and their only "crime" is conservatism. So here, with Shuler, we have an actual act of terrorism committed by an elected Democrat, and I expect the open, enlightened minds on this forum will roundly condemn the behavior.

You are a moron.

Oh, yeah, I saw that one last night. Thanks again for the input. These little Mudcat pages are becoming pretty popular. I may start dedicating them. I guess I'd dedicate this one to michaelr, since he threw first epithet.

you seem to have a knack for turning things upside down

Yes, it does seem odd how this developed. Kind of upside down. The REPUBLICANS are supposed to be the racists, yet here we have a Democratic Representative lying and using race in a detestable way.

The Girl Scouts a Terrorist Organization?

No, the Democratic Party. A domestic terrorist organization. Shuler broke the law and endangered life, and he did it in an attempt to influence government policy. (See above, Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act). It appears he did it to draw attn away from the DeathCare bill that was coming up for a vote, so he definitely influenced government policy with the action.

Why did I know from the title that this piece of ridiculousness would be started by ichMael

Couldn't say. Psychic?

Can somebody explain the logic of the first post? What IS he saying?

Rep. Shuler is a member of the Democratic Party. Shuler broke a law and endangered life while attempting to influence government policy. That is a "domestic terrorism" crime according to the PATRIOT Act. He needs to be charged accordingly.

totally illogical with no original thoughts of its own..automatons of Fox et alia.

Fox television? I believe I quit watching TV before Fox debuted. And actually, this thread is my brainchild completely. I've neither heard nor read of anyone else addressing this issue.

Another Martin "mental midget" Gibson...

Hm. From the racist. No telling what that's code for.

Being a moron means never having to explain what you're saying.

I expect that's true. I'd ask you to elucidate but...never mind.

So much for the feedback. Lots of name-calling, like I expected. Maybe I'll do a webpage on the incident with regards to its terroristic aspects. You folks will conveniently forget about the episode now, and the next time they want you distracted they'll point again and you'll go running off in the designated direction.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Amos
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 06:54 PM

Ichmael:

White man yeling, hooting, hollering while Rep Schuler walks past him, in a dignified self-possessed way. Suddenly something hits Schuler on the side of the face. He stops and steps back and has some words with the loudmouth. Then he turns and proceeds on his way, wiping the side of his face.

Are you a purblind eedjit? Or just the normal sort?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 07:23 PM

He's just the kind who cannot admit that his heroes are a bunch of redneck racists Amos, probably because he's one of them.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 07:57 PM

Yo, Icth,

Bring yer dumbass self down her to Page County, Va. and call me a racist!!! I mean, Bring it on, asshole!!!

You might not like my arguments but I will not have you, or anyone, calling me a racist...

Yeah, bring yer wimpy, cowardly ass on down, big guy!!!

Square business, jerko!!!

BTW, unlike you, am am transparent... You won't have any thouble finding me... Just come to Page County, Va. and ask anyone where "Sidewalk Bib" lives... They'll tell ya and then bring yer cowardly self up here and call me a racist!!!

I mean, tonight, jerko!!!

That's "Sidewalk Bob"... I'll be waiting on yer liein', cowardly, dumbass self, ya hear???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 08:14 PM

"The trend of the lunatic left using false flag tactics is growing, and it is unconscionable."

The trend of the lunatic right using false flag tactics is growing, and it is unconscionable.

So what's the bloody difference - they're all stupid Yanks, as far as the rest of the world is concerned.

Orwell said in Animal Farm near the end - that the animals looked from the pigs to the men and back, and now could discern no difference....

The only way to differentiate yourself, and 'prove' yourself (most importantly TO yourself) the best, is thus to shout the loudest, and most importantly, "get in first".

Thus someone who posts "The trend of the lunatic left using false flag tactics is growing, and it is unconscionable." is clearly from the lunatic right.

Q.E.D.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 08:22 PM

Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act creates a category of crime called "domestic terrorism," penalizing activities that "involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States," if the actor's intent is to "influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion."

Yep, as Orwell demonstrated, the wording is perfect, but only as long as YOUR brand of nutters is holding the reins of power... once you are on the receiving end of such legislation, you will howl just how "Communist", or whatever is the current key word that legislation is....

QUOTE
So much for the feedback. Lots of name-calling, like I expected. Maybe I'll do a webpage on the incident with regards to its terroristic aspects. You folks will conveniently forget about the episode now, and the next time they want you distracted they'll point again and you'll go running off in the designated direction.
UNQUOTE

Ha! Proves you're right! You can't make rational arguments, so you will now sit in the corner and hold your breath till you turn blue... Oh Please Do! - just don't came back here then, or we won't believe anything ELSE you say...


"Are you a purblind eedjit? Or just the normal sort?"

A 'special' sort - after all, HE has a webpage.... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 01:39 AM

OOOOOOOOOOOH! How scarey!

Bobert can call anybody he wants a racist but don't try it on him, the Ayatollah of Mudville.

Must be hittin' the 'shine extra hard tonight.

Any way, all that said. Icky is a drooling, phlegmatic troll.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 08:25 AM

I don't personalize "racist" it here in Mudville, Sawz... That is the difference... But you won't get that either...

Speaking of the "Ayatollah of Mudville"... You might want to add that little bit of "projectionism" to yer list when you see yer shrink next...

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 07:47 PM

"The trend of the lunatic left using false flag tactics is growing, and it is unconscionable."

The trend of the lunatic right using false flag tactics is growing, and it is unconscionable.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: kendall
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 08:46 PM

It grieves me to see such name calling here. We all know it is forbidden even if we don't like the recipient of such abuse.
Rules are no good if they don't apply to all.

Notice that I'm ignoring the poster.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 10:18 PM

Yeah, Capt'n... I prolly should also... The only problem is that the "poster" is also a cyber-stalker who has stalked me from another website and has some very serious obsessive things going on in regards to me??? It's easy to ignore someone else's stalker but when it's you, it's a different story...

Yeah, I might get a little stoked up here and there but, geeze, I really ain't prime stalkable USDA stuff here... Maybe "Choice" with a tail wind... lol...

BTW, I might need to borrow yer harpoon...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 11:02 PM

". Shuler broke a law and endangered life while attempting to influence government policy."

laughable analysis. Figgers, considering the source.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: ichMael
Date: 18 Apr 10 - 11:40 PM

If you want laughable, just go to Youtube and witness how cops invoke the PATRIOT Act when they're making arrests. Or, it's not laughable, it's sad. And Shuler...well, he's a bad one. I'm thinking of making him my project this week. The Democratic Party is harboring a domestic terrorist.

But let's see what constructive criticism has been posted here since yesterday.

Are you a purblind eedjit? Or just the normal sort?

Never really considered that one.

his heroes are a bunch of redneck racists Amos, probably because he's one of them.

Ah, yes. Invoking skin color in a slur and then claiming moral high ground on the subject of racism. There's another one around here who does that.

Bring yer dumbass self down her to Page County... Bring it on, asshole!!! ... Yeah, bring yer wimpy, cowardly ass on down... Square business, jerko!!! ... unlike you, am am transparent... You won't have any thouble finding me... ask anyone where "Sidewalk Bib" lives... bring yer cowardly self up here... I'll be waiting on yer liein', cowardly, dumbass self, ya hear???

Hm. Speak of the devil. Old Sidewalk Bib himself. He says he's transparent but "you wont have any trouble finding me." That's a puzzler.

they're all stupid Yanks

Lives under a queen. Nuff said.

drooling, phlegmatic troll.

I'm not phlegmatic.

It grieves me to see such name calling here. We all know it is forbidden

lol. That's rich. Tell that to Streetwalker Bib.

The only problem is that the "poster" is also a cyber-stalker who has stalked me from another website and has some very serious obsessive things going on in regards to me???

lol. Speak of the devil again. So, what, I'm supposed to be a stalker? lol. Believe me, I don't even read your posts normally. I'm only reading the ones in line here out of a spirit of all-inclusiveness. But you are pretty interesting because you show the kind of mental deterioration that so many Democrats are displaying right now. Your guy hasn't ended the wars, he's giving even MORE U.S. tax money to privately-owned foreign banks, he DOUBLED funding for the murder of American children, and so on and so on and so on. And it's driving you people nuts. And that's the way Obama-nosis wants you...so whacked out that you'll do anything to defend the good name(s) of der fuhrer.

I had some doubts about whether I should pursue the Shuler thing this week or pick up something else, but all these words of encouragement tell me Shuler's the way to go.

Thanks for the input.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 12:04 AM

itchy: But you are pretty interesting because you show the kind of mental deterioration that so many Democrats are displaying right now.

You can't be for real.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 12:16 AM

that little bit of "projectionism"

Is projectionism when you say somebody hates this or that about 22 times without them actually having said they hate something?

"Projectionism is particularly common among racists & other bigots. They will commonly make bigoted comments & then deny that they are bigots; and further defend themselves by accusing the person that normally initially accuses them first of being the very thing that they more often than not end up accusing the other person of being."

I was satirically comparing you to an Ayatollah, an ultimate authority figure.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 12:21 AM

"they're all stupid Yanks"

I think I said that? It's a common friendly Aussie insult born out of the fact that they came over here to help defend our country and married many of our girls.

We don't really consider ourselves to 'live under a Queen' here. Damn, I can remember the days when we only HAD one Queen in Australia... :-)

Of course I am from Queensland... :-P

But you are pretty interesting because you show the kind of mental deterioration that so many Republicans are displaying right now.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 02:53 AM

Bobert claims I followed him from another website.

I was searching for the origin of some of the weird stuff he posts on mudcat and found his postings on another forum.

I put some of the statements he made on the other forum here and he claims that is somehow wrong.

Whenever I find a conflicting post he made on mudcat and bring it to his attention, he claims that is somehow wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Kendall
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 05:23 AM

Not only did the Yanks take many of your women off your hands, they also kept you from having to learn to speak Japanese. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 06:53 AM

Oh dear, looks like the mods deleted my polite invitation for you to depart from our doors... can't understand why, didn't use any naughty words....

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 07:41 AM

Don't flatter yerself, itch... Yer just the new kid on the block and not in the same league as Sawz...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 09:23 AM

I take that as a compliment.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 04:04 PM

I have taken baths deeper than the originator of this thread.

This thread is a trollish example of the ideological remnants of the KKK, John Birch society, The National Prayer Breakfast (C Street) crowd and the myriad of hate groups with single or multiple issue grudges.

This being the McVeigh bombing anniversery, the emotions of the right wing is running high with a sense of pride in the menancing agnst they instill in the civil and historicly aware citizens of our beloved country.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 08:44 PM

So, Donuel, I think you oughtta start a contest as to which of our rightie-wing nuts here in Mudville is going to be the next Tim McVeigh???

Whaddayathink??? It got *Donuel* written all over it...

I donno???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: ichMael
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 09:26 PM

I may pass on the Shuler webpage. I'm trying to interest some journalists in picking up the domestic terrorism angle.

Shuler made his false allegations on the weekend before the healthcare vote. 2/3 of America against the bill, juggernaut pushing ahead to a vote, then it's Time Out to finger point over the N-word, while the vote comes and goes. Shuler was part of a diversionary ruse.

Then later he said the reporter made a mistake. But (this is the interesting part), Shuler has a history of lying to the media. He did it once before in a case involving the TVA (Tennessee Valley Authority). Look up Shuler+TVA etc and you'll see the stories. He lied to the press.

I hope the reporters I contacted with this stuff see the connections. In a couple of weeks, if this is headline news, you can tell people you heard it here first.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 10:27 PM

ichMael: I may pass on the Shuler webpage.

This has a lot of the same letters as "Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is already made up."

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: ichMael
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 10:36 PM

Shuler's a censured liar. It's his M.O. They needed a white guy to say he heard the black guys called names. And he's dumb enough to think it wasn't any big deal. But it's domestic terrorism. Or so I think. I've turned over what I have pieced together to some reporters. We shall see what happens.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Apr 10 - 11:58 PM

Bobert's still pissed because he was rejected for the part of Archie Bunker.

They said he was too bigoted and racist.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 08:23 PM

Find someone else to obsess over... And don't ever call me a racist again or I'll hunt yer cowardly ass down and put a hillbilly ass whup on you that you'll never forget... That is the one label that I will not have thrown at me... Square business...

Got it???

BTW, I ain't pissed off about about nuthin' except you and yer buddy, itchy, thinkin' that it's okay to call me a racist... Neither of you know shit about me...

Tell ya' what, Sawz... Tell the folks here just how involved you and your family were in the civil rights movement... Tell 'um how you spent almost 20 years of yer life working with and living with black folks... Yeah, tell 'um... Tell 'um how yer family brought a young black kid into yer family who lived as yer brother until he was tradgically killed in an auto accident just a couple monthys shy of his 21st birthday... Yeah, tell 'um... Tell 'um of how much time you spent in Tent City during the "Poor People Campaign"... tell how you became a blues musican by going into Mississippi several times and hanging for days and weeks with rural black bluesplayers... Yeah, tell 'um... Tell 'um how you spent almost every Saturday afternoon for years and years at a Archie Edwards Barber Shop in NE Washington, DC playing blues with black people.... Yeah, tell 'um... Tell 'um about how the late N.J. Warren would call me son and I would call him dad... Yeah, tell 'um, Saws...

Until then, you have no right to make stupid, ignorant statements about me or anyone else...

Got it, now???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Apr 10 - 10:11 PM

Sawz, by trying to lay that kind of thing on Bobert, you just lost a bucketful of credibility, and believe me, you don't have that much to lose.

And what makes that kind of bogus comment downright ludicrous is that judging by a lot of your posts, you'd make an even better Archie Bunker that Carroll O'Conner did. Hard to beat type-casting.

Except for one thing:   O'Conner was funny. You're not.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 01:31 AM

Yeah I got it Bobert but you believe anybody that didn't do all those things are somehow racist. You think they are not qualified to make their own judgments so you have to jump in there keep them straight.

You don't know me either. Do you think I purposefully avoided doing all those things you did? The reason I call you racist is because you obsess over it as if it is some sort of religion.

I have no problems with race, only the people who keep whipping the horse. The flames of racism will never die as long as people keep pouring on the gasoline. As long as they want everybody to treat one person different from another person because of their race.

I will give you an example. Obama gave a speech on something. It was a good speech but after wards there were these "progressives" saying "Oooh I almost forgot he was black"

Jesus Christ on a crutch. Why do they have to keep remembering he is black unless they are racist? I don't even think about it anymore. It is a fact of life.

Every time I hear on the radio somebody was "black man" or "he was a white man" I think why in the fuck do they have to mention that? The only difference it could possibly make is to piss somebody off and serves no positive purpose.

The whole world would be a better place if we quit saying it.

Do we still call each other whops or frogs or krauts? That shit died out. Let the black and white die out too.

When you say something like "So ya'll righties want to see the country sink further in the recession to get the "nigga" out???"

What the hell are you saying? You accusing people that do not happen to agree with Obama of wanting to ruin the country because they are racist and don't like him.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe people don't like his policies?

No you don't think so you want to start up some kind of racial thing to protect Obama. You want to play the race card.

Do you believe it is impossible for him to be wrong? If he does not do a good job is it possible to elect someone else or we can't do that because of his race?

You are not going to make the world a better place with those racial accusations. You are only going to make it worse.

I think a large majority of people think Obama is a good guy that means well. I do. I think they were hoping the race thing would be over. I remember talking to people and saying so

However somre of these same people believe the things he wants to do are not realistic and unachievable, especially in a bad economy. It has nothing to do with race.

But you who uses the L word like taking another breath believe people are by default, liars.

I take the charge if lying very seriously. I don't think I have ever called anybody a liar. I think not civilized, it is anti social and selfish. It shows the demeanor of the people making the accusation rather than the accused.

If you think people have to be treated differently because of their race then go ahead but I would rather just get on with life.

I don't expect to be treated any differently by any race than they would treat people of their own race or any race. Like wise with religion gender Etc.

There are still racists but they are getting fewer and fewer. In time racism will die out but as long as people keep bringing it up again and again, it will never die.

But you have to keep projecting racisim, hate, killing etc on somebody else because you are intolerant of their beliefs or ideas and you have to stop them. They are evil cause they disagree with you.

What are you accomplishing? Peace? good will? Harmony? Do you think you are teaching anybody anything?

People need to find out what they agree on and work from there, finding more and more things they agree on. First thing you know they are feeling better and more optimistic and start agreeing to things they were against.

You are working in the other direction. Where is that leading? Will it make the world a better place?

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 07:52 AM

I don't go calling people here racists, Sawz... Yes, I do use the term in reference to groups of people within society... If you feel that yer in one of those groups then you might want to rethink your associations...

But to ***single out*** another Mudcatter as either a racist or a bigot is out of bounds here in this folk music forum... Asshole, knothead, knuckehead, jerk, yeah... Heck, I don't much mind being called that kinda stuff...

Racist or bigot??? No... Not from me personally toward another memeber and vice versa...

Unless it is well earned... But it had better be so overt that Hellen Keller could see it from the grave and I doubt if it was that overt that Joe Offer would allow such a post to stand...

So, argue whatever points you want... That's pefrectly okay just tone down yer "direct" attack labels and all will be fine... Might even go a long way toward me removing the "obsessive compulsive" label I have had to put on you...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 12:44 PM

Repblican congressman Eric Cantor claims someone shot at his office. He surmised it was because he was leading opposition to healthcare reform. As it turns out, a preliminary investigation shows that a bullet was fired into the air and struck the window in a downward direction, landing on the floor about a foot from the window. The round struck with enough force to break the windowpane but did not penetrate the window blinds. There was no other damage to the room, which is used occasionally for meetings by the congressman. A spent bullet that had been randomly fired into the air happens to hit the window of a room that isn't even in his main office and Cantor uses it to create a false equivalency with the Democrats who have been targeted by anti-reform extremists. So why isn't the OP of this thread calling the Republican Party a terrorist organization.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 01:17 PM

David Axelrod on NPR:

"In Chicago, there was an old tradition of throwing a brick through your own campaign office window, and then calling a press conference to say that you've been attacked."

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: ichMael
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 08:45 PM

The Republican party is a terrorist organization too, Bill D. Look at the 3 requirements to be considered a "domestic terrorist":

1) Endanger human life and
2) Break a law while you
3) Attempt to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion.

The Iraq war. People want to blame it on Bush (even though it's Barry/Barack Obama's war now). But fine, blame it on the Republicans. We were lied into the war. Did the Republicans endanger human life in launching the war? Yes. Did they break laws? Yes. Was it done in an attempt to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion? Yes--policy in both the U.S. and Iraq.

So why don't the Democrats sue over the issue? Or at least lock up Bush and Cheney? I'd love to see that.

Almost everything done in Washington now is a terrorist act if you apply the 3 criteria mentioned in the PATRIOT Act.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 10:14 PM

Well, itch... Yeah, we do blame both wars that Obama inhereted on Bush... But not only Bush... Bush was too ignorant and dumb to realize that the bill off gods that was being sold to him was junk...

Richard Pearl and Paul Wolfowitz tried the same stuff on Bill Clinton and Clinton said, "No thanks"...

Throw in Dick Cheney, Condi Rice, Donnie Rumsfeld and Bush was in way over his head... These folks represented the neo-con vision of the world... One where the US would run the planet... Kinda like the Roman Empire or, more recently, Hitler's Germany....

So Bush, being the C-, frat-boy, coke-kead, drunk, crook was not in any position intellectually to refute or hold back the people in his circle...

I mean, folks may or may not like Obma but you can bet that no one is going to get over on him... He's, ahhhhhhh, a thoughtful man, for a change...

This from a long term Green Party worker, supporter and voter...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: ichMael
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 10:28 PM

Well it's good that we find something to agree on, about the neocons. You folks think I'm bashing Obama, but I'm not. I'm bashing the system that goes from Bush 1 to Clinton to Bush 2 to Obama. The same bankers run all of them. Obama's not thoughtful. That's a facade. He's a fast-tracked mass murderer, same as GW Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 10:38 PM

I agree on Bush I, Clinton, Bush II entirely... All the same... No, throw in Reagan, too... I mean, it's been a 3 decade downward spiril for the working class... Oh sure, the US is just as wealthy as it has ever been... Problem is that all the wealth has been corraled by Boss Hog...

As for Obama??? You have locked into too many conspiracy theories where it is impossible for a decent man to become president... By all standards, Obama is not only a decent man but a very intellectually curious one, also... I would have voted for him regardless of party...

Bobert (long time Green Party foot souldier)...

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Apr 10 - 11:09 PM

Ichy: knock it off with the negativism. Democrats are no more or less guilty than Republicans of terrorism.

They both use scare tactics and posturing to achieve their main objective, re election.

It is up to the people to not fall for their divide and conquer tactics. To wise up and quit bickering.

They use race baiting, class warfare, threats to national security, whatever. They spend money we don't have to buy the votes of some groups of the population or to reward Groups and companies the give them campaign money.

As per the plan, people form two tribes. Us and them, good vs evil, Repubs vs Dems, smart vs stupid, rich vs poor. It is so easy to see like the Bloods and Crips, Sunni and Shia. The media make a killing off of the division too. Watch my show, buy my book. I will tell you what you want to hear about how evil the other side is.

Tell these bureaucrats they are doing a lousy job and throw their asses out on every election cycle for ten years or so and they will soon learn that their performance is what counts, not their hype and words.