Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST,LNewby
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 05:30 AM

Just reading back through this thread, and something struck me re. this post:

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Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 04 Jun 10 - 05:17 AM

Sorry, the search engine is giving me the hump. I search for 'Commercial Man' and the first occurence is 1866; I wade through the 'Harry Clifton' results and I get this:

"NEW MUSIC
The Commercial Man; or Sold Again.
Comic Song, Written and Composed by Harry Clifton. London: Hopwood and Crew. - We can readily believe the statement on the illustrated title-page of this song, that it has been sung with immense success. We should say that it will be highly popular in commercial rooms generally, to say nothing of the Music Halls."

Era, May 22 1864

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Who were Hopwood and Crew? Are they likely to have been any connection to Geoghegan's wife, also a Hopwood, or is this just coincidence?

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 06:07 AM

Just spotted soemthing else I hadn't previously:

from post dated 12 May 10 - 01:14 PM

"Ellen was born in Bolton, 1872. In 1891 she was lodging with James T. Bennett and Annie (nee Geoghegan) at 50 Town Hall Square, Bolton."

And this one: 24 Aug 10 - 09:53 AM

JOSEPH BRYAN GEOGHEGAN

13 April (1889)

The Will of Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, late of New-street, Hanley in the County of Stafford, Licensed Victualler, who died 21 January 1889 at 50 Town-Hall-square, Bolton in the County of Lancashire...

So, JBG died in the Bennett household in Bolton.

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 06:29 AM

Hopwood and Crew were publishers. I think they later became Ascherberg, Hopwood and Crew. I don't know if there's any relation.

Mick

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 06:52 AM

His daughter and her family probably looked after him during his final days.

I think the Hopwood surnames are just a coincidence. Hopwood and Crew was a well-known publishing company based in London. This may be 'your' Elizabeth Hopwood's baptism at Manchester Cathedral:

Baptisms: 2 Jul 1815 Collegiate and Parish Church, Manchester.
Elizabeth Hopwood - Daughter of Joseph Hopwood & Hannah
    Abode: Manchester
    Occupation: Fustian Cutter
    Baptised by: J Brookes
    Register: Baptisms 1814 - 1815, Page 46, Entry 1541

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST,LNewby
Date: 16 Feb 12 - 10:42 AM

This family just gets weirder and weirder! I was looking for records on Elizabeth 'Betsy' Geoghegan, and this came up

baptism record

Second from the top on the left-hand side of the page is the baptism of Harriet Bird. Then, two rows down is the baptism of... her mother, Jane Geoghegan - at the age of 37 and long after she's married. It's not even on the same date. I wonder what prompted that?

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST,LNewby
Date: 16 Feb 12 - 11:40 AM

And weirder...

Liverpool Mercury, Mon 12 November 1877 announces the death on Nov 7, at 37 Mill Road, aged 29, James, only survivng son of J B Geoghegan.

ONLY SURVIVING SON???

In fact, he was survived by Henry (d. 1885), John (d. 1886)and Thomas (d. 1896). Interestingly though, James was the last surviving son of JBG by Elizabeth.

I can hardly believe that by this time the two sides of the family weren't aware of each other, so I'm not quite sure what to make of this...

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 16 Feb 12 - 12:52 PM

An adult baptism suggests either:

a) The person wasn't sure they had been baptized and wanted to make sure, or
b) They had changed their faith.

There's no evidence that Elizabeth knew about JBG's other family, but even if she did she probably wouldn't want to broadcast it to all and sundry.

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST,GUEST.JOYWODHAMS
Date: 16 Feb 12 - 01:12 PM

I think the death notice was probably posted by his Mum Elizabeth - James was indeed the last surviving son of HER marriage to JBG. I guess she probably preferred to ignore his second family!
Incidentally, I downloaded the certified photo of JBG to compare it with mine, and I don't think they are the same man. I'm concluding the younger man must be one of his sons by Elizabeth, either James, who died in 1877, Joseph, died 1867, Frederick died 1868 or Edwin died 1872. What a sad family!
I haven't been able to access JBG's will - do you know if he left anything to any member of his first family - Jane, for instance, who married Sydney Bird?

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 17 Feb 12 - 05:19 AM

A District Probate Registry was established in Lichfield for the county of Staffordshire and copies of wills proven here for the period 1858-1928 are deposited at Litchfield Record Office.

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST,LNewby
Date: 17 Feb 12 - 07:41 AM

Joy, Elizabeth died before James (in 1871) but I guess you're right that they wouldn't have wanted to acknowledge the 'other' family if they did know about them.

However, I assume that there must have been some knowledge among Elizabeth's children after the death of their mother at least. Their father remarries instantly, after all, and Mary Ann's oldest children, who he clearly acknowledges as his own, were in their late teens by the, so they must have realised at this point that their father had been living this 'double life', if they hadn't been aware of it before.

My instinct is that they did know though - after all, he's a well known figure, and children from both 'families' seem to have been involved in the theatre in some capacity. But as you say, there's no evidence.

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST,GUEST.JOYWODHAMS
Date: 18 Feb 12 - 10:26 AM

Yes, I slipped up on Elizabeth's death date, although I'd previously noted it. Perhaps her daughters Jane or Betsy, as far as I know the only survivors, made the notification. Do you know anything about Harriet, born 1835? I haven't been able to find any further information about her and assume she must have died young, but am finding it difficult to identify her amongst all the other Harriet Birds.
Incidentally, I found lots of references to Joseph B in The Era publication. In one he had advertised for a position as a theatre manager, mentioning his experience and skills as a songwriter. You may have already checked these.

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST,GUEST.JOYWODHAMS
Date: 20 Feb 12 - 03:51 AM

Just been looking at some of The Era (stage/circus etc) downloads I made, and both Joseph Geoghegan and Sydney Bird senior advertised regularly in it - Joseph and Sydney definitely overlapping in 1988 amongst other dates. I'm sure they must have both scanned the newspaper thoroughly and at least been aware of each other's activities and performances.
The 'terrible death of a gymnast' - my great great uncle Sydney Bird junior, at the age of 16 - was also reported widely, not only in The Era but in newspapers throughout the UK. I wonder if JBG contacted his son in law Sydney senior to offer condolences on his grandson's death? I don't suppose we'll ever know.

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST,LNewby
Date: 20 Feb 12 - 06:35 AM

I am currently working on identifying descendants of JBG (I've got well over a hundred so far!, but I haven't investigated the Birds in much detail as yet. Will let you know how I am getting on as I go along, and will look at Harriet in particular and see what I can find.

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Feb 12 - 12:01 PM

Joy, I've made some Bird updates to my tree - I hope I haven't spoiled the fun for you too much! As Harriet is the only child I can't track down in 1901, I've concluded that she must have died between 1891 and 1901 censuses. There's only one likely record for this (1893, West Derby) but the death certificate would be the only way to confirm for certain.

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 05:32 AM

Baptisms: 22 Aug 1875 Holy Trinity, Southport, Lancashire, England
Sydney Oscar Alfred Bird - Child of Sydney Bird & Jane
    Abode: Southport
    Occupation: Gymnast
    Baptised by: John Ward Curate
    Register: Baptisms 1837 - 1879, Page 258, Entry 2060

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST,GUEST.JOYWODHAMS
Date: 25 Feb 12 - 11:32 AM

Thanks, Lauren and Sminky. My Ancestry.co.uk membership has expired (in any case I was using Pay As You Go credits, which didn't allow me to access other members' family trees. so I can't take advantage of your Bird family searches, Lauren). I had found the 1893 West Derby reference for Harriet, wasn't sure it was the right one but 95% certain.

I have photos and newspaper reports for Sydney Bird's family and also a couple for Joseph Bryan Geoghegan if anyone's interested - just checking with my daughter how to put them on here! Also when Googling 'Ten Thousand Miles Away' I found a little audio with the music for this song - can't remember the actual website now, but it was interesting to hear it.

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST,jacqui jagger
Date: 23 Mar 12 - 07:29 PM

I know its such a small detail but one of the threads say that Thomas Sheldrake was born deaf and dumb along with two of his siblings, he wasnt he went deaf after an illness at the age of 3. His speach was not altered by the deafness, though some of his children were also born deaf and dumb and he was a wizz with sign language, in fact the deafness is still in the later stages of the family.

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST,Yves Augusseau
Date: 24 Mar 12 - 06:42 PM

Bonjour,
dans une réponse du 13 mai 2010, vous faites alusion à James Batchelder, je suis à la recherche des dates de naissance, décès mariage de ce compositeur.
Si je pouvez également savoir ou je pourrais me procurer une ou plusieurs de ses compositions je suis également preneur.
Je recherche également à la recherche de la date de naissance et de décès de son épouse Mary Lowe.
Elèment que que je possède, ils ont vécu à Manchester et ont eu un fils Harry.
Merci si vous pouvez m'aider.

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Mar 12 - 12:15 AM

Diacriticals in the text posted by Yves messed up the text and don't allow for much of a translation via the Babelfish site. But here's a shot at it:

Hello, in a response of May 13, 2010, you made allusion to James Batchelder, I are à the research of the birth dates, deaths, marriage of this type-setter. If I can également knowledge or I could get one or more his compositions to me I am taking également. I seek également of the search of the birth date and deaths of his spouse Mary Lowe. Elèment that I possède, they have vécu à Manchester and had a Harry son. Thank you if you can m' to help.

SRS

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST,LNewby
Date: 28 Mar 12 - 07:25 AM

Yves, je ferrai un peu de recherche et je vous contacte. Vous pouvez m'expliquer - vous etes certain qu'ils habitaient a Manchester, ou vous le croyez seulement? Envoyez-moi un e-mail peut-etre? [e-mail]
Lauren

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 28 Mar 12 - 01:12 PM

In 1891 the family were at 50 Park St, Chorlton-on-Medlock, Manchester.

James Batcheldor, aged 50, Teacher of Music, b. Norwich
Mary (wife), 49, b. Tamworth, Staffs
Harry (son), 18, Designer on Glass, b. Manchester
Lucy A. Newman (mother), widow aged 70, b. Pulham, Norfolk

The birth of Harry Batchelder was registered at Manchester in 1872.

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Mar 12 - 04:51 AM

Yves,
J'ai fait des recherches rapides et j'ai un peu d'information pour vous.
James Stephen William Batchelder (nom complet) est ne en 1840 entre Septembre et Decembre, a Norwich. Vous pouvez obtenir son acte de naissance si vous voulez savoir la date exacte.
Il est baptise 11 aout 1844 a l'eglise St Wilfrid, Standish, pres de Manchester (sa famille s'est y installe entretemps).
Son pere etait James Batchelder. Il etait professeur et organiste.
Sa mere etait Lucy Ann nee Mills. Plus tard elle s'est appelee Lucy Ann Newman, donc je crois qu'elle s'est remariee.
Il avait deux petites soeurs, Lucy Ann Batchelder et Mary Jane Batchelder
Il a epouse Mary Lowe entre Octobre et Decembre 1862 dans le district de West Bromwich, qui est juste au nord-ouest de Birmingham. Encore une fois, vous pouvez obtenir l'acte de mariage pour avoir plus d'information.
Mary Lowe est nee en Mars 1841 a Tamworth, qui est au nord-est de Birmingham. Ses parents se sont appeles William Lowe et Maria nee Whitehouse.
James et Mary ont deux fils : James W Batchelder, ne 1864 a Manchester et Henry (= Harry) Batchelder ne 1873 a Manchester.
Mary Batchelder nee Lowe est morte Janvier 1899 a Chorlton, Lancashire
James Batchelder est mort Decembre 1917 a Salford, Lancashire – pas loin de Manchester.
J'espere que vous avez trouve utiles tous ces informations. Si vous voulez plus d'aide ou vous avez des questions sur ces infos, dites-moi.
J'espere aussi que vous avez tous compris et que je n'ai pas fait trop d'erreurs. J'ai etudie francais a l'universite mais je ne l'utilise pas tous les jours, donc c'est un peu 'rouille'!
Lauren

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 07:48 AM

Baptism: 11 Aug 1844 St Wilfrid, Standish, Lancs.
Lucy Ann Batchelder - daughter of James Batchelder & Lucy Ann
    Abode: Standish
    Occupation: Schoolmaster
    Baptised by: George Whitlock Curate
    Register: Baptisms 1834 - 1869, Page 138, Entry 94

Baptism: 11 Aug 1844 St Wilfrid, Standish, Lancs.
James Stephen William Batchelder - son of James Batchelder & Lucy Ann
    Abode: Standish
    Occupation: Schoolmaster
    Baptised by: George Whitlock Curate
    Register: Baptisms 1834 - 1869, Page 138, Entry 95

Baptism: 25 Apr 1847 St Wilfrid, Standish, Lancs.
Mary Jane Batchelder - daughter of James Batchelder & Lucy Ann
    Abode: Standish
    Occupation: Professor of Music
    Baptised by: W H Brandeth Rector
    Register: Baptisms 1834 - 1869, Page 167

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST,LNewby
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 10:40 AM

It would have been JBG's birthday today :-)

*(according to some source - I forget what!)

Lauren

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 10:57 AM

Happy Birthday, Joe!

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 12:39 PM

Happy Birthday JB - you rascal!

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST,LNewby
Date: 18 Apr 12 - 07:08 AM

you might be interested in this:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=TcUrAAAAMAAJ&q=J.+B.+Geoghegan&dq=J.+B.+Geoghegan&hl=en&sa=X&ei=HaCOT9y8OMTNhAep0rSFCw&ved=0C

It doesn't appear in the song list in this thread, unless of course its known by other name?

Lauren

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 18 Apr 12 - 07:52 AM

The title is is referenced as being sung in Auckland Star, 1870. No entries in BL or LOC catalogues, nothing in Levy.

Mick

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 18 Apr 12 - 02:02 PM

It was printed on a broadside by Sanderson of Edinburgh but I don't have a copy. It's a new one on me.

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 18 Apr 12 - 07:51 PM

According to the Roud index it also appeared in The Dublin Comic Songster (1845) pp36-37 (this is the only ref apart from the Sanderson catalogue entry). (It's in the Steve Roud collection according to the entry).

Mick

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST, Bryony Mitchell
Date: 03 May 12 - 07:54 AM

Thought this might be of interest, copied and pasted from the Geoghegan clan page on facebook (couldn't work out how to copy just the link): Carolanne Nelligan Lamb McDonald > Geoghegan Clan
John Grenham
I wrote last February about the increasing number of books relating to Irish genealogy now freely available and searchable online. That column seems to have borne fruit. A reader, Peter John Clarke, was frustrated at the absence of a systematic guide to these books and recently wrote to me that he had set about creating such a guide and putting it online. You can find it now at http://freeirishgenebooks.blogspot.com/. It is a revelation. So far, Peter has found more than 400 books that are free and complete. The sources he uses include the usual ones - Google Books, the Internet Archive and the Open Library Project - but a significant number of works are available via an organisation I did not know of, the Hathi Trust, a community of North American research libraries whose goal, in its own words, is "to contribute to the common good by collecting, organizing, preserving, communicating, and sharing the record of human knowledge."

The variety of books on the list is extraordinary, ranging from familiar works of local history, such as Frost's History [...] of Clare and Smith's Ancient and present state of the County and City of Cork, to basic sources such as the Marriage Licence Bonds of Cork and Ross, and Gilbert's Calendar of the Ancient Records of Dublin, along with dozens of rare, privately printed family histories, up to now almost impossible to find. The listing gives a glimpse of an almost unimaginable future, where everything ever recorded might be instantly available to everyone. What might have been a wishful daydream a decade ago now seems very possible, and just a little frightening.

Peter seems to consider what he has done as part of the tradition of bee-in-the-bonnet amateurs that fuels Irish research. Amateur schmateur. What he has done (and I hope will continue to do) is of the highest value.

Free Irish Genealogy eBooks

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 03 May 12 - 09:24 AM

"The Seedy Swell" was written by Harry Liston according to Era (first mention May 20, 1866).

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST,Damien CTM
Date: 21 Jun 12 - 04:17 AM

Hello, i may be well of topic here but i'm trying to trace a man connected to a Coventry Cycle business and a Wolverhampton Music Hall/Theatre.

In 1879 there was a firm called the Lion Bicycle Company at Leicester Place. H. H. Griffin in 1890 stated that the cycle maker made Dandy-Horse type machines from 1879 who went on to become the proprieter of the chief music hall in Wolverhampton.

There did exist also a Coventry Lion Cycle co. in Wolverhampton after 1879 which i'm sure must be connected, but i can't find evidence to trace the man in question. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST,LNewby
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 11:59 AM

Damien, if you haven't already, try

http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results?basicsearch=lion%20cycle&somesearch=lion%20cycle&place=birmingham%2C%20west%20midlands%2C%20england&page=0

might be something of use in amongst these, but you'll need a subscription/credits

Lauren

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST,LNewby
Date: 11 Oct 12 - 12:17 PM

also, this could be his parents' marrigae, though unconfirmed as yet:

Marriage: 7 Aug 1814 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England
James Gahagan - Fustian Cutter Batchelor of this Parish and Town of Manch'r
Mary Ann Reeves - (X), Spinster of this Parish and Town Aforesaid
    Witness: I Chantler; Benj'n Ball
    Married by Banns by: C.D. Wray
    Register: Marriages 1814, Page 305, Entry 915
    Source: LDS Film 1545577

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST,LNewby
Date: 21 Jan 13 - 04:11 AM

Today is the 124th anniversary of JBG's death.

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST,Bryony Mitchell
Date: 11 Feb 14 - 06:35 AM

Heard a live group singing ten thousand miles away on Friday evening. Made my spine tingle from top to bottom! It was like JBG, my GGGgrandfather, was in the room with us!

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 11 Feb 14 - 10:19 AM

Bryony, Awesome! I have the original sheet music.

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST,Bryony Mitchell
Date: 21 Aug 14 - 03:13 PM

Hi Steve, Only just seen your reply! Where did you find it ,is it possible for me to buy a copy? I've only managed to find Cockles and Mussels and Down in a Coalmine.

It was awesome indeed. As was hearing this on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1TGJ0XnZMI

Surreal that such an old song is being sung still in a punk style!

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST,Bryony Mitchell
Date: 08 Nov 16 - 07:30 AM

Re: "From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 03 May 12 - 09:24 AM
"The Seedy Swell" was written by Harry Liston according to Era (first mention May 20, 1866). "

I've just bought a book called 'Victorian Delights' by John Hadfield on the offchance it might mention JBG (my great great great grandfather) and lo and behold the second photograph in the book is of a songsheet cover for 'The Seedy Swell' - Sung by Harry Liston, Written by J B Geoghegan, Music by R. Hughes.

I've also just got original copies of songsheets for 'Notting Hill or the Dodger's Lament for his Lost Love' and 'They All Have A Mate But Me'.

I'm beyond excited to hold an original songsheet in my paws!

I will happily email PDF versions to anyone who wants them. But I had no idea the originals were so large! I've only got an A4 scanner. But will work something out...

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST,LNewby
Date: 15 Dec 16 - 11:02 AM

OOh, Bryony, I would love PDFs, if possible. It's [e-mail]. Thanks so much. Lauren

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST,Bryony Mitchell
Date: 18 Dec 16 - 05:03 AM

Hi Lauren, no problem - I might need reminding after Christmas is out of the way! I sent you a message on pinterest by the way - did you see it?

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 18 Dec 16 - 11:04 AM

Hi Bryony,
I have some sheet music lined up for looking at after Christmas. Fingers crossed there''ll be some JBG in there. Thanks for the pdfs and good luck with your website.

I'll send Billy Weekes an email. he might have some originals we haven't got.

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST,Bryony Mitchell
Date: 20 Dec 16 - 01:18 PM

Look forward to hearing about both, Steve - thanks!

I used the image of Joseph Geoghegan Junior in google images last week, and he's all over tinternet! The actual photo of JBG only links to one pic on Pinterest by Lauren.

The bearded son pic has been used on a site called a folk song a week. Fair enough, that's a fairly logical link.

One complete stranger has him has her profile picture, and came up as the creator of a thread called, '16 Photos That Prove A Baby Is The Best Halloween Costume Accessory.'

One fella has him in his collection of photographs of "1800s old men" on pinterest. He apparently downloaded it via the website of a masonry company in North Carolina.

It's linked to an article headed, 'No Joke, This Guy Wants To Make A Drone Out Of Your Dead Pet.'

I'm not at all sure what I think about this!

It's also weird seeing him pop up online, with the same eyes as both Mum and me.

Genes and Google. Bit freakin' weird, if you ask me

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: MoorleyMan
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 04:56 AM

By the way, how exactly does one pronounce JB's surname?...

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 05:03 AM

Pronunciation? Perhaps this earlier post offers a clue.

From: GUEST,LNewby Date: 11 Oct 12 - 12:17 PM

also, this could be his parents' marrigae, though unconfirmed as yet:

Marriage: 7 Aug 1814 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England
James Gahagan - Fustian Cutter Batchelor of this Parish and Town of Manch'r
Mary Ann Reeves - (X), Spinster of this Parish and Town Aforesaid

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 23 Jun 19 - 03:33 PM

Gaygan

Subject: RE: Joseph Bryan Geoghegan, travelling singer, 1800s
From: Lighter
Date: 24 Jun 19 - 06:41 PM

Former U.S. Representative Helen Gahagan Douglas (1900-80) pronounced her middle name "GAYagin."