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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Aug 10 - 03:09 AM So, here's the deal, Israel issues an ultimatum....We do not like rockets being randomly tossed into our neighborhoods, and civilian population.You guys launch another one, and you are telling us that it doesn't matter, an you think it's OK....so, in response, we will rain hell on ALL of you..including your mice and cockroaches...THE CHOICE IS YOURS!!...so either stop, or don't go whining and bitching, and playing on the sympathies, of the rest of the world. You want something??..Negotiate!..and this time keep your word..or else... After all, that's what I'd expect my government to do, if a neighboring country started doing in in my neighborhood....how about yours? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 08 Aug 10 - 03:58 AM No country on Earth could just go on ignoring lethal attacks on its people. Some recent cases just from our current debate. Did Israelis throw dead and wounded into the sea from Mavi Marmara? Did Israel provoke or instigate the recent clash on Lebanese border?Did Israelis kill Faramawi? All lies, made up to discredit Israel, and all believed without question by gullible and prejudiced people on this forum. When we know for an absolute fact that people are actively making up lies, is it not perfectly reasonable to be sceptical of all such claims without good evidence? Let's keep open minds. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 08 Aug 10 - 04:47 AM "When we know for an absolute fact that people are actively making up lies, is it not perfectly reasonable to be sceptical of all such claims without good evidence? Let's keep open minds. " Except when our own bigoted biases are challenged... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 08 Aug 10 - 04:49 AM "You guys launch another one, and you are telling us that it doesn't matter, an you think it's OK....so, in response, we will rain hell on ALL of you..including your mice and cockroaches." That's what they have already done for decades mate - wake up and smell the roses... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 08 Aug 10 - 06:08 AM Foolestroupe, you have shown your gullibility to us all. You believe everything said against Israel until is is proved false. I believe nothing from either side until it is proved true. Which attitude is the most bigoted and biased? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Jim Carroll Date: 08 Aug 10 - 06:30 AM "Foolestroupe, you have shown your gullibility to us all." Please stop speaking for everybody - try expressing an opinion of your own instead of acting as spokesman for everybody else Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 08 Aug 10 - 06:40 AM Jim, you might not have read Foolestroupe's savaging of Israel over the Lebanon border incident (of which it was blameless) but I am quite sure everyone else did. Everyone saw his gullibilty, except Jim. Happy now? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Jim Carroll Date: 08 Aug 10 - 07:39 AM Foolstroop expressed his opinion, just as you expressed yours; he speaks for himself, you speak for yourself - please do not claim to be speaking for anybody else, especially as, whatever thread you happen to land on, you end up very much in the minority, so extreme to the right are your views. "Jim, you might not have read...." And please don't patronise me. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 08 Aug 10 - 08:13 AM QUOTE Foolestroupe, you have shown your gullibility to us all. You believe everything said against Israel until is is proved false. I believe nothing from either side until it is proved true. Which attitude is the most bigoted and biased? UNQUOTE You are claiming this about me? You sir, are a lying Fool - I never said that I "believe everything said against Israel until is is proved false." You sir, believe everything said against the opponents of Israel until is is proved false. And you sir, believe nothing against the IDF - because you deny that ANY of it is true, even when they later admit it themselves. Pointing one finger at another means that all the others point back at you. You are so malicious or stupid (I cannot tell the difference) that you twist my claim that both sides are equally to blame and equal troublemakers to claim that I am anti-semetic and "believe everything said against Israel until is is proved false". I think IMO, you are exhibiting that same sort of behavior that my Schizophrenic manager at work displayed. Since nothing will be achieved with you in the room - I petition that this thread be closed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 08 Aug 10 - 08:26 AM Cigarettes don't cause cancer. Global warming is a lie. The Holocaust never happened. There were no moon landings. The war on Iraq was legal. Israel is not guilty of war crimes. Bears do not shit in the woods. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 08 Aug 10 - 10:02 AM McGrath, Israel may have committed war crimes. I need evidence to form a conclusion. You seem not to. Foolestroupe, this post and those that follow show that you assumed Israel was guilty because Lebanon said so. That was gullible. thread.cfm?threadid=129840&messages=1837&page=1&desc=yes#2957814 Anyone can check and see which of us is the lying fool. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Aug 10 - 10:05 AM McGrath of Harlow: "Cigarettes don't cause cancer. Global warming is a lie. The Holocaust never happened. There were no moon landings. The war on Iraq was legal. Israel is not guilty of war crimes. Bears do not shit in the woods." You forgot, "Muslim is the religion of peace!" GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 08 Aug 10 - 12:09 PM The evidence is there to see, Keith, as it is for the other items in my list. But that doesn't stop people refusing to accept it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Teribus Date: 08 Aug 10 - 01:29 PM Gaza and the West Bank: As far as Palestine goes the only powers ever to have "invaded and "occupied" those territories and held their rightful owners under any form of subjugation since 1948 when the Mandated Territory of Palestine ceased to exist were Egypt and Jordan who invaded and occupied Gaza and the West Bank respectively and held them for nearly twenty years. The land was Palestinian, yet neither the Egyptians or the Jordanians let Palestinians settle there, instead they shut them up in camps on what was their own land. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Jim Carroll Date: 08 Aug 10 - 01:43 PM "You forgot, "Muslim is the religion of peace!" Might add Zionism to that one GFS "I need evidence to form a conclusion." Seek and ye shall find - the internet's full of it, so let your fingers do the walking Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Aug 10 - 02:07 PM Jim, I can't help when reading your inane posts, that if I was hearing you speak your lines, they would be, clean crisp, soft, with a lisp, and very effeminate...and extremely smarmy. Hey, ever hear a wounded soldier cry for his 'Mommy', and then held his bloody, shredded body as he died?..or watched half naked children stagger down the street, lost and dazed, while the naked part of their bodies were scorched, and they screamed in pain so hard they couldn't even catch their breath?..or mothers in shock holding one of their dead family members in their arms? This happens more in reality, than you seem to wish to wrap your pumpkin-boffing brain around. Whatever it takes for the missiles to stop raining randomly down on towns and villages would be just OK...wouldn't you agree???...or are you so infatuated with your lame, stupid, self willed opinions of 'daisies' growing in the fields, and everybody is justified, with every fucking complaint, based on centuries old hatreds, that you can't see what this is about? This has NOTHING to do with the excuses propagated by extremists on either side, but rather has more to do with a smaller group of militant extremists playing on the emotions, while launching missiles and blowing up the shit out of everyone...while 'world opinion' restrains the Israelis from doing what is necessary to stop them!...... .....unless of course you are just anti Jewish, and try to hide it with your bullshit, soft spoken, eloquent rhetoric. If you weren't so chicken shit, and really believed in your crap, go there and convince them.....they'd slit your throat before you finished your first sentence of you semi-literate diatribe.....just because you're a non Muslim Brit!..not for any other reason! Some people are so idealistically brain locked, that they just NEVER get it! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 08 Aug 10 - 02:54 PM Jim and McGrath, I have so far failed to find the evidence. Why will you not share yours? You must have evidence for your belief, or you would just be prejudiced bigots. McGrath, at least you did put some up. Such good evidence that you posted it twice! Of course, it did turn out to be false. I got no thanks for finding that out for you, and it seemed not to affect yoor belief at all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Jim Carroll Date: 08 Aug 10 - 03:15 PM You have been given evidence of Israeli atrocities again and again; the shooting of civilians, the use of chemical weapons, the use of captured civilians as human shields, the massacre of up to three and a half thousand refugees, the bombardment of schools and hospitals with the pupils and patients in them, the destruction of homes, the constant humiliation experienced daily by Palestinians - all well reported and documented for those prepared to look for it. You continually and arrogantly tell us that we need to open our minds, yet it is you who has been told again and again to listen to what people have to say and to stop distorting and misrepresenting what you are told. You have one of the most closed minds I have ever come across, not only locked solid, but you appear to have thrown the key away. GfS " "Jim, I can't help when reading your inane posts, that if I was hearing you speak your lines, they would be, clean crisp, soft, with a lisp, and very effeminate" And I might say that when I read your posts I can picture the black uniform, the jodhpurs, complete with the peaked cap and the skull and crossbones badge - but I really don't go into those sewers, can't stand the smell. Why is it you people feel the need to resort to personal invective - I usually put it down to lack of imagination, it certainly doesn't make your case very well - but it takes all kinds. Personally, I'd rather remain an idealist, if that's what I am, than a vitriol spewing loud mouthed lout - you and Keith represent your cause well and between you make a well-matched pair. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Aug 10 - 03:24 PM Jim, YES or NO are you in favor of the missile launches on Israel from Hamas?? Yes or No! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Jim Carroll Date: 08 Aug 10 - 03:28 PM GfS Don't be obtuse - the anwer remains the same as I have given throughout this thread; if you are unable to understand it then you seem to be suffering from the same dyslexia your friend adopts to avoid answering arkward questions. Do you still beat your wife/husband - yes or no? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Jim Carroll Date: 08 Aug 10 - 03:47 PM "Hey, ever hear a wounded soldier cry for his 'Mommy', and then held his bloody, shredded body as he died?..or watched half naked children stagger down the street, lost and dazed, while the naked part of their bodies were scorched, and they screamed in pain so hard they couldn't even catch their breath?..or mothers in shock holding one of their dead family members in their arms?" And in answer to your previous question - all of the things you describe happen to Palestinians as well as Israelis - only something like 50 times more if the casualty figures are anything to go by. And I don't have to imagine them; I have just been reading the description of the Israeli officer who deliberately shot a 13 year old girl, and when checked by one of his fellow soldiers replied that he would happily have shot her if she had been 3 years old - all there to be accessed for those who wish to find it. Did you know that the name 'Sanity' was adopted by the british Peace Movement for one of the newspapers - perhaps you should consider changing it? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Aug 10 - 05:21 PM Jim Carroll: "And in answer to your previous question - all of the things you describe happen to Palestinians as well as Israelis - only something like 50 times more if the casualty figures are anything to go by. And I don't have to imagine them; I have just been reading the description of the Israeli officer who deliberately shot a 13 year old girl, and when checked by one of his fellow soldiers replied that he would happily have shot her if she had been 3 years old - all there to be accessed for those who wish to find it." Blah blah blah.....Do you support Hamas firing missiles into Israel? Keep in mind now, if if Sharia law rules that area, homosexuality brings a death penalty. ..and 'Sanity' is merely a legal term. It is not a diagnosis...neither is 'insane'. Now back to the question at hand, Do you approve or support Hamas firing missiles into Israel? Simple question. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 08 Aug 10 - 05:31 PM Yes Jim, but none of them stand up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Jim Carroll Date: 08 Aug 10 - 05:57 PM "Keep in mind now, if if Sharia law rules that area, homosexuality brings a death penalty." So there you have it - an anti-Semite, this time the Semites happen to be Arabs. So piss of and take your parrot with you. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 08 Aug 10 - 07:09 PM "let your fingers do the walking" ... not the wa*king ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Aug 10 - 07:12 PM Jim Carroll"Keep in mind now, if if Sharia law rules that area, homosexuality brings a death penalty." So there you have it - an anti-Semite, this time the Semites happen to be Arabs. So piss of and take your parrot with you. Jim Carroll" There you have it??..Bullshit!..You are avoiding the question. This has Nothing to do with Semites(who are both Jews and Arabs, I know..Bobby Fisher went through that whole ordeal, saying as much..and I agree...) Still that does NOT leave you an out....Answer the question, or shut the fuck up! Do you support or approve of Hamas firing missiles into Israel??? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 08 Aug 10 - 07:18 PM "Foolestroupe, this post and those that follow show that you assumed Israel was guilty because Lebanon said so. That was gullible." You have a rare and outstanding genius for misrepresenting other people's views, but not unique - I have lived thru such madness before. My manager at work found I was using the work office computer system to write job applications for internal jobs, as was everybody else, including him. He made a great fuss trying to get me put up on internal disciplinary charges "for wasting company resources" - but the best bit was that at exactly the same time - and he saw no problem - he was using the exact same system to write a letter overseas to buy a book on - wait for it - "Ethics"! :-) That's real Schizophrenia! and you are displaying a remarkable similarity of behavior sir! Continue to behave in this way, and I will stop believing that you are just a malicious Internet Troll, and are really in need of serious medical treatment! And I will call for all your friends who really care about you to help me sign the paperwork! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 08 Aug 10 - 07:23 PM Read this, about what happened in "the Gaza Conflict" written by a Jewish Israeli, published in Al Haaretz "Israel struck a civilian population that remains under its control, it didn't fulfill its obligation to distinguish between civilians and militants and used military force disproportionate with the tangible threat to its own civilians. Air Force drones and helicopters fired deadly missiles at civilians, many of them children; the Tank Corps and Navy shelled civilian neighborhoods with weapons not designed for precision strikes; soldiers received orders to fire on rescue crews; others fired on civilians carrying white flags; and others killed people in or near their homes. Troops used Gazans as human shields, soldiers detained civilians in abusive conditions, the army used white phosphorus shells in dense civilian areas and, on the eve of withdrawing, destroyed wide residential, industrial and agricultural areas. There is only thing worse than denial – the admission that the IDF indeed acted as has been described, but that these actions are both normal and appropriate." But why bother... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 08 Aug 10 - 07:30 PM "written by a Jewish Israeli, published in Al Haaretz" Good try, but, again, that source will only have its integrity denied, mate. Stop trying to teach the pig to sing.... :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: bobad Date: 08 Aug 10 - 07:39 PM I've noticed that the Hamas apologists are fond of finding and quoting Jewish voices of dissent. Isn't it wonderful that Israel is a country in which one has that right unlike it's neighbours, where dissent usually leads to death. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 08 Aug 10 - 07:53 PM "Isn't it wonderful that Israel is a country in which one has that right unlike it's neighbours, where dissent usually leads to death. " Yep - but when that Jewish dissenter gets too much 'following', then the credibility attacks start, as that dissenter is then denounced as an 'enemy of the Jewish state'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: bobad Date: 08 Aug 10 - 08:43 PM I should also add another observation which is that whenever a Jewish source that declaims Hamas propaganda is cited, the Hamas apologists are quick to discredit it as being biased but when it speaks out against Israeli policy in Gaza it is quoted and used to buttress their own positions - strange that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 08 Aug 10 - 11:07 PM I am off line for a week or so. Enjoy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 08 Aug 10 - 11:25 PM Yep bobad - as many others here have mentioned they appear cut from the same cloth to people other than their brainwashed followers. As Orwell said in Animal Farm - the animals looked from pigs to man and back and saw no difference. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 08 Aug 10 - 11:50 PM "I am off line for a week or so. Enjoy. " My manager used to do that while they adjusted his meds... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Lox Date: 09 Aug 10 - 12:07 AM "I've noticed that the Hamas apologists are fond of finding and quoting Jewish voices of dissent. Isn't it wonderful that Israel is a country in which one has that right unlike it's neighbours, where dissent usually leads to death." This is because non Jewish voices, especially Arab voices, that speak up against Israeli policy and IDF actions are generally pigeon holed as being "hamas apologists", "Israel Haters" and "anti semites". These accusations can't be made against Jewish Israelis, though I suspect Bobad views Jewish Israelis who are opposed to their governments policies and IDF actions in Gaza as being self hating Jews. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Lox Date: 09 Aug 10 - 12:23 AM Bobad, To addd to my last post, in fact, those Israelis who do protest are usually met by violent angry right wing counter demonstrators who intimidate and harass the dissenters while the police turn a blind eye. In addition, those Israelis who work in Gaza to try to help alleviate some of the suffering and/or protest their countrys actions/policies are often on the receiving end of IDF brutality. So I wouldn't go shouting about alleged Israeli state tolerance to dissenting views - they have an image to keep up, but its a struggle for them that they are seeing less and less point in wasting time on, being so sure that they are fully justified. It was interesting to read about Netanyahu saying recently that as Israeli leader he was burdened with trying to find a balance between the conflicting ideologies of Zionism on the one hand and humanitarianism on the other. Interesting that the Israelki leader should see these two concerns as distinct and in conflict with one another. Finding a balance between Zionism and Humanitarianism. It says that in his view Zionism is non-humanitarian. This was in the same speech that he spoke about "preserving the jewish character" of Israel. In the UK, Nick Griffin talks about preserving the British character of England. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Lox Date: 09 Aug 10 - 12:31 AM GfS, "Hey, ever hear a wounded soldier cry for his 'Mommy', and then held his bloody, shredded body as he died?..or watched half naked children stagger down the street, lost and dazed, while the naked part of their bodies were scorched, and they screamed in pain so hard they couldn't even catch their breath?..or mothers in shock holding one of their dead family members in their arms?" Have you? NO! I note that you find the image of Israelis suffering like this to be upsetting, but you don't have any interest in Palestinians suffering the same fate. In fact, when asked to consider Palestinian death and suffering, you say: "blah blah blah". Gfs - Do you support the IDF killing civilians in Gaza, yes or no? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 Aug 10 - 02:19 AM Lox: "Have you? NO!" If you want to stuff words in my mouth, and answer your questions you ask me, then why ask them? You're making up your own shit!..Oh, and by the way, you're answer you made up for me, is not 'NO', but yes...and yes I have held a man, that I didn't even know, and as I was kneeling, cradling him in my arms, he died. It's a rather 'sacred' if you will, experience......if I were to accurately describe it, it was something like his 'inner clothes', if you will, were yanked out of him, and he just....um,.. went limp, and became as weight.(Sorry, I've never described this before in print). Actually, I don't go much into my personal life or history, not even my gender on here. But, I'll give you an honest opinion, the best I can. If I'm wrong, and I learn something, I'll own up to it, and more than likely thank whomever, for the new knowledge, or insight. That, more than likely, will NOT include some ratchet jaw, with slick sophistry, to merely impress himself, spouting hatred for groups of people....and in doing so, distorts, or ignores FACTS! Fair Enough? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 Aug 10 - 02:24 AM Sorry, I didn't catch this one, before I hit 'Submit Message'' Lox:I note that you find the image of Israelis suffering like this to be upsetting, but you don't have any interest in Palestinians suffering the same fate." That is a rather biased and stupid assumption on your part....and an incorrect one at that. Shame on you!!! You should apologize...but you won't, seeing as...never mind..... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Jim Carroll Date: 09 Aug 10 - 03:10 AM "then denounced as an 'enemy of the Jewish state" Like Mordechai Vanunu, who was jailed for 18 years for telling the world what it had a right to know, that Israel had developed nuclear weapons. Apart from their treatment of the Palestinian people, the fact that such an unstable and extremist terrorist State has the power to blast us all to hell is reason enough to stop their gallop. " Israeli nuclear whistle-blower Mordechai Vanunu was freed from jail on Sunday after serving 11 weeks behind bars for breaking the terms of his release and meeting a foreigner, a prison official said. "Mordecai Vanunu was freed from prison on Sunday morning," a spokesman for the prisons authority told AFP. Vanunu began serving a three-month sentence at a prison in Ramle near Tel Aviv on May 23. A court had in December ordered him to do three months community service or serve three months in prison for violating the terms of his release from jail back in 2004. The former nuclear technician was arrested in December at a Jerusalem hotel while talking to a Norwegian woman -- a violation of the terms laid down when he was freed after serving 18 years for disclosing the inner workings of Israel's Dimona nuclear plant to Britain's Sunday Times newspaper The 55-year-old had opted for community service but asked the Supreme Court if he could perform it in Arab east Jerusalem for fear he would be harassed by Israelis on the mainly Jewish western side of the city. The court rejected his request and ordered him to serve three months behind bars. Vanunu was originally jailed in 1986 and spent more than 10 of his 18 years in prison in solitary confinement. Since then, he has been detained several times for violating the terms of his release that ban him from travel or contact with foreigners. Vanunu became an international cause celebre during his time in prison. At home, he is still widely reviled for converting to Christianity shortly before he was kidnapped in Italy and shipped back to Israel. Israel is widely believed to be the only nuclear-armed power in the Middle East, with around 200 warheads, but it has a policy of neither confirming nor denying that." There has been some puzzelment over and criticism of the continued harshness of Vanunu's treatment, in the Israeli press, and the conclusion is that the Israeli authorities are concerned about his passing on information of the United States's collusion in their development of nuclear weapons. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: mousethief Date: 09 Aug 10 - 03:25 AM You are saying that no incontrovertible evidence exists. Belief in it has to be a matter of faith and prejudice. In the absence of evidence, I will just keep an open mind. No. I am saying you are NOT keeping an open mind, and are dismissing real evidence because of your faith and prejudice. Which is exactly what you're doing. When we know for an absolute fact that people are actively making up lies, is it not perfectly reasonable to be sceptical of all such claims without good evidence? Let's keep open minds. Being skeptical of all claims and keeping an open mind are mutually exclusive. The problem is your definition of "good evidence" which clearly means "evidence that has been stamped OK by Israel." I've noticed that the Hamas apologists are fond of finding and quoting Jewish voices of dissent. You don't accept what Arabs say about the crisis. And now you deride people putting up the words of Jews about the crisis. Just whose word will you accept? Oh wait. I know. Only people who find no fault with Israel or the IDF. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 Aug 10 - 03:43 AM Jim, A lot more hot air and Blah-blah Look at all this squirming and manipulation of words, and topics! Do you support or approve of Hamas firing missiles into Israel? YES or NO! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 Aug 10 - 04:13 AM OK, Hamas fires missiles aim at Israel..Israel retaliates, hits civilians(collateral damage)..Keep in mind, Hamas fires first..... Now just why collateral damage........... then there is a question, as if the tubes can launch missiles.. What did anyone expect?????????? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 09 Aug 10 - 06:53 AM Hamas fires first Which came first the chicken or the egg? Which is the chicken and which is the egg? There is no distinction in principle between the "provocation" and the "response". They are two sides of the same coin. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Jim Carroll Date: 09 Aug 10 - 06:57 AM "Keep in mind, Hamas fires first....." As our absent friend Keith pointed out, Israel has been killing Palestinians for around 38 years; the massacres of Shatila and Sabra took place in 1982 where Israelis participated in the slaughter of up to 3,500 refugees - which gives them a pretty good head start, don't you think? Yours faithfully - blah, blah, etc Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Jim Carroll Date: 09 Aug 10 - 07:31 AM PS Do you think that the Shatila and Sabra massacres were crimes against humanity and should those involved be tried for mass murder as were those implicated in similar crimes in former Yugoslavia YES OR NO? Answers on a plain postcard please. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Lox Date: 09 Aug 10 - 08:10 AM GfS. You have never been in a war zone and you have never witnessed atrocities like you described. You've seen a man die - most people do at some point in their life. Experience of the latter does not equate to knowledge of the former. I note you haven't answered my yes or no question. Do you have an answer? No! "That is a rather biased and stupid assumption on your part" No assumption, not even an opinion. When you were asked about Palestinian suffering you said "blah blah" In other words you see that as irrelevant rubbish. Jim says that he abhors the suffering on both sides. You wrote a lovely bit of prose about dying Israelis, but when it came to dying palestinians you saidf "Blah Blah" No assumptions, and the words in your mouth were yours. "That, more than likely, will NOT include some ratchet jaw, with slick sophistry, to merely impress himself, spouting hatred for groups of people....and in doing so, distorts, or ignores FACTS!" A textbook example of projection. Why am I arguing with a nut job? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: Jim Carroll Date: 09 Aug 10 - 08:27 AM This is your blah-blah These are the figures from the conflict since the year 2000. Those in brackets are those under the age of 18. Pales. Israeli 2010 20 (5) 5 (0) 2008 - 2009 1457 (355) 44 (5) 2007 396 (43) 13 (0) 2006 678 (127) 25 (2) 2005 216 (52) 48 (6) 2004 828 (179) 108 (8) 2003 588 (119) 185 (21) 2002 1032 (157) 419 (47) 2001 467 (82) 192 (36) 2000 295 (85) 43 (0) The overall total of casualties since 1987 are – Palestinian = 7506 (1449), Israeli - 1540 (142) Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hamas rockets fired into Israel. From: bobad Date: 09 Aug 10 - 09:00 AM Since the Palestinian casualties are the result of Israel responding to Palestinian aggression I would posit that if the number of Israeli deaths were zero then those of Palestinians would also be zero. |
