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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: ClaireBear Date: 11 Nov 10 - 11:20 AM That last post (from me) looks very strange now that the post to which it was a reply has been removed. I'm not actually the queen of the nonsequitur, truly! |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: ClaireBear Date: 10 Nov 10 - 11:56 PM Not exactly the right place, but here you are, so maybe you could tell us what help you need and then we can better advise you how to go about getting it? |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Genie Date: 08 Nov 10 - 03:57 PM Actually, gnu, I think Amos is the one to thank for the videos from Getaway 2009. At least he's the one who did and posted most of them. I didn't get to go to the 2009 Getaway (sob!). |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: gnu Date: 08 Nov 10 - 03:45 PM What maeve said... and double. Especially "Old Blind Bartlemas" from 2009... glad you included it!!! Excellent! Watched it twice in a row. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Genie Date: 07 Nov 10 - 10:45 PM Thanks, Maeve. Lucy Ann Goldberg has given the OK for me to post this: Blue Mountain (Lucy Ann Goldberg , David Scheim, and Charlie Bean) |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: maeve Date: 05 Nov 10 - 09:51 AM Thank you for your efforts, Genie. Maeve |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 concert videos From: Genie Date: 05 Nov 10 - 09:33 AM That last upload aborted, so here's the working link for Jed and Glyn doing "White Cockade" at the Sat. night concert. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 videos From: Genie Date: 04 Nov 10 - 08:04 PM New link to Jed Marum's "White Cockade" (with Glyn Collinson" |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Genie Date: 04 Nov 10 - 05:37 PM Trying this again ... Sandy and Elizabeth LaPrelle - "How Shall I Your True Love Know?" |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Genie Date: 04 Nov 10 - 05:36 PM |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Genie Date: 04 Nov 10 - 04:11 PM Thanks, Sandy. Do you know the source of the tune itself - or was it that "anon." lady or the "trad." guy? |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: GUEST Date: 04 Nov 10 - 03:18 PM Hi again Genie, Elizabeth and I sang in the Sunday night concert. The song is "How Should I Your True Love Know", which we learned from the singing of Maddy Prior and June Tabor. The cut is on their Silly Sisters' second album "No More To The Dance". There is a good mudcat discussion of the song at this URL (sorry, not adept at clickys) http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=37814&messages=19 Thanks! Sandy |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Genie Date: 04 Nov 10 - 02:40 PM Thanks, Sandy and Elizabeth. One thing that will speed up the process is if everyone will tell me - preferably by posting in this thread - the titles and authorship credits for the songs/poems/stories they did in the concert, including publication/copyright dates, if known. Also let me know if you want to be identified some other way than by your name (e.g., if you want to be "LeadFingers" or "M.Mario" instead of your actual name). And a reminder: if you performed in the first half of the Saturday night concert, your video came out as a silent movie. I've since replaced the neurotic built-in mic on my laptop, so now it's back to doing normal sound - in some cases really good (though it depends a lot on things like how close your instrument was to the mic, in the case of guitars). But I did lose out on the sound for those first 10-15 performers. Let me know if you'd like to see your "silent movies" anyway. (Overdubbing is not that hard if you have the right software, such as iMovie, by the way.) |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: GUEST,Sandy LaPrelle and family Date: 04 Nov 10 - 01:24 PM Hi Genie - sorry, I can't figure out how to email you, so this ends up as a post - Elizabeth and I don't mind having our music posted online, so go for it, and thanks for asking! Sandy & Elizabeth LaPrelle |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Roger in Baltimore Date: 04 Nov 10 - 11:07 AM Genie, I was in the Sunday concert. I performed "Little Green Buttons" by Fred Kohler. You have my permission to use it as you wish. Roger in Baltimore |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 videos From: Genie Date: 04 Nov 10 - 12:55 AM Here's Jed's song from the Sat. night concert, with his "band" Glyn: "White Cockade" - Jed Marum with Glyn Collinson |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 concert videos From: Genie Date: 03 Nov 10 - 06:42 PM The video of Lucy Ann Goldberg, with Charlie Bean and David Scheim, doing "Blue Mountain" is now up at YouTube, with an unlisted URL. As soon as I get permission from those 3, I'll post the link here or change it to a listed (searchable) URL. Till then, contact Lucy if you would like the link. Jed Marum's "White Cockade," backed by his "band," Glyn Collinson (sp?) will be up shortly. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-videos shared From: Genie Date: 20 Oct 10 - 12:00 PM Here's Alaska Mike's wonderful song about his older brother Pete: "Pete" - Alaska Mike at 2010 Getaway concert There's some static in places due to my erratic built-in mic (which has been replaced now), but you can hear the story well, and Mike's voice is strong and resonant enough to some through. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Genie Date: 20 Oct 10 - 04:09 AM Here's the "fractured fairytale" that Wendy Grossman shared with us at the Saturday night Getaway concert: "Grizelda's Waltz (Bob Steele), played and sung by Wendy Grossman |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Genie Date: 19 Oct 10 - 07:47 PM I've located the source of the static and other glitches in my MacBook's recording and, with my built-in mic and camera and laptop fan having been replaced, my recording quality should be back to normal (which has been quite good in most settings - if I adjust the input settings right). The camera didn't need replacing but I think it's all one unit. But the fan and the mic were misbehaving (See the thread about problems with iMovie -- which didn't turn out to be the source of the problems.) Anyway next time I record live music I should get much better sound than I did earlier this fall. Genie |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Genie Date: 18 Oct 10 - 01:49 PM Wendy, if you'll check with Bill Steele for permission to post your performance of "Grizelda's Waltz," you can let me know here if he says OK. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: wendyg Date: 18 Oct 10 - 08:38 AM Genie: I don't know how to email you (that is, I don't know how to find your email address!) and I hate PMs, so this message gives my permission, though you should also check with Bill Steele, the author of Griselda's Waltz, the fractured fairy tale you have in mind. wg If you email me, I'll supply his email address. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Genie Date: 17 Oct 10 - 11:26 PM Yellow Papers - Colleen Cleveland |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Janie Date: 17 Oct 10 - 09:13 PM Another thank you, Genie. And another thank you to all of you who give permission to share your voices and your music! |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Genie Date: 17 Oct 10 - 08:38 PM I'm glad the videos are helping preserve Getaway memories and share them with people couldn't be there. (Bait for next year, maybe?) Colleen Cleveland has given the OK to make the videos of her two songs public. Here's the first one: I Didn't Raise My Boy To Be A Soldier Not sure about the copyright on that one, but since it was a WWI song ca. 1915 it's probably in PD by now. Colleen says her other song, "Yellow Papers," was written by her grandmother Sara Cleveland. I'll have that one up pretty soon. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Celtaddict Date: 15 Oct 10 - 01:45 PM Genie, many thanks again for doing all this!! |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Genie Date: 14 Oct 10 - 08:21 PM Yeah, I know Tone Deaf is a real Diamond. ; D Just wanted to be sure it's his own parody. (I think the static drowned out that part of his introduction.) BTW, here's Caryl Weiss's "An Angel's Wings" - with Wendy Grossman on backup guitar |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Bill D Date: 14 Oct 10 - 08:07 PM Yes...ToneDeaf Dave=David Diamond that I noted 4 posts above... he has a bunch of 'em... |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Genie Date: 14 Oct 10 - 07:28 PM Thanks, Bill. (I take it ToneDeaf Dave wrote the parody lyrics, right?) Here's the video of the French Horn and Uke duet: Fred Sailer and Dottie Hurley: Mozart Horn Concerto No. 3, Second Movement I think the sound came out pretty good on that one. That's partly because the French horn is a pretty loud instrument and the mic picked up a its sound directly. Again, it illustrates how the variations in sound quality are not all due to the recording equipment and its quirks. There are many factors. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Bill D Date: 14 Oct 10 - 07:14 PM Oh...I just remembered, Dave printed a few 'songbooks' a few years ago, and I found my copy...he called the song "Dough-Re-Mi" |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Genie Date: 14 Oct 10 - 07:01 PM Thanks, KT. I'm hoping that next year we'll have some sort of release & credits form for all concert participants to sign when they sign up (or at the concerts). Performers could deny permission to share (or keep) the recording, permit limited sharing (e.g., only by making it available to the performers themselves, who could then distribute it), or allow sharing via YouTube, etc. And they would also write down their names, song titles & credits, etc. That would save a lot of hassle after the fact. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Bill D Date: 14 Oct 10 - 06:36 PM Dave Diamond did write the parody himself...if he doesn't pop in, I'll see if I can get it..(if he calls it anything else) |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Genie Date: 14 Oct 10 - 05:47 PM I still need the song titles and song credits (preferably with copyright dates where applicable) for several of the performances at the Getaway concerts. I like to include these as captions on the videos, in case people share the videos without the accompanying blurbs. These include: - title of Micca's whaling song and copyright date - title of Vince Wilding's ballad (which I think is "trad") - Title of David Ingerson's Irish song - title of David Diamond's Do-Re-Mi parody (and did you write the parody lyrics, Dave?) - author/source of Helen's Ant & Flea (Friendship Loyalty Beyond Death), if known - title and author of Wendy G's fractured fairytale - title and credits for the song Jed Marum did with Glyn Collingson And if you were in the concert and I haven't mentioned your song yet, please send me the title, songwriter credit, etc. - even if I just share the file with you and no one else. Thanks |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Genie Date: 14 Oct 10 - 12:21 PM That's what I've been thinking, Charley. The problems with recording "through the air" are that a) the sound can be clear or mushy depending on where your input mic is in relation to the speaker(s)* and b) ambient noise - including the audience singing along, chairs scooting, papers rustling - gets picked up too. In fact, ideally, the camcorder or laptop that is recording the video would have a direct audio line in from the sound board's pre-amp. That way no one would have to fiddle with the sync between the audio and video. As for monitoring the recorder, video-wise, I don't know how feasible it is to monitor the audio input on hand-held camcorders or on laptops with built-in camcorders. It's easy to see what the video image will be like on a laptop because it's a WYSIWIG sort of thing; with a tripod mounted camcorder you'd have to sit or stand behind it, which might or might not block the view for some of the audience. Anyway, there should be a way to do this if TPTB at Getaway know decide in advance to try to have the concert recorded. *I think the difference in general sound quality of my videos from 2008 and 2010 illustrate this. The mic (on the laptop) was positioned almost exactly the same, in relation to the performers, both years, but the stage was configured differently, with the speakers much farther apart in 2008. I think I captured more of the sound of the live voices and instruments, relative to the amplified sound, in 2008 because the speakers were farther away. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Charley Noble Date: 14 Oct 10 - 08:16 AM I support Big Mick's suggestion of patching in a recorder to the Dennis Cook's board (with appropriate adapters). That should be better than any recorder located in the audience, which would pick up any sound in the immediate vicinity such as applause, scraping chairs, commentary, coughs and wheezes, shuffling papers, and choruses or refrains. The feed from the board would still not be as good as a studio recording but good enough to listen to if the performer were doing a good job. Some inexperienced performers have a tendency to "roam" in the vicinity of the mic or to ignore it altogether! It would also help if someone experienced monitored the recorder. Dennis has enough to do monitoring what people should be hearing in the hall. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Genie Date: 13 Oct 10 - 11:49 PM Thanks, Ron. I should have the French horn/ukulele duet up soon. It probably has some static on it, like most of the others, but I think it sounded quite good on the recording. Here's Lisa Null: Roll, Big Sandy, Roll Martha Burns - Railroading On The Great Divide Re recording procedures and toys, here are some illustrations of when the 'cheap' do-it-yourself stuff works and when it doesn't so much: La Prelles -Getaway 2009 unplugged - Old Blind Bartelmas Sound and image great! singing unamplified, close to Amos's camcorder Steve Cormier Getaway 2009 "Old Tipperary" - unamplified in workshop, hard to hear because the camcorder isn't very close? Rita Ferrara Getaway 2009, "Santa Lucia" - sound is a bit faint because camcorder not close by, but she sounds good. (Amos demonstrates why those holding the camcorder or nearby shouldn't sing along if you want the performer's voice to be the focal point.) |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Ron Davies Date: 13 Oct 10 - 09:16 PM I called Peter. Fred picked up the phone. The piece he and Dottie did was the Mozart Horn Concerto #3, second movement. Hope you can get that one up. Some of us (me, to pick a purely theoretical example) who weren't able to be at the Saturday concert would love to hear how the horn and ukulele turned out. I've heard good reports--Dick for instance. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Bill D Date: 13 Oct 10 - 07:37 PM Thanks, Genie... I should have remembered who shot what videos. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Genie Date: 13 Oct 10 - 07:16 PM Thanks, Mike. All I needed to process your video was the song title. The sound on your song is a bit staticky, and it's not all due to your hoarseness, but the song and your delivery are well worth hearing nonetheless. Mick, I like the idea of using the Tascam audio recorder. Some of the footage I took in 2008 survived the crash of my hard drive only as thumbnail videos - meaning the image is blurry if you enlarge it beyond a few square inches - but the sound quality was not affected so I still got some good mp3s of the songs. I'd much rather have that than "silent movies" of people playing instruments and singing. And it's a good backup to any video recording. I know it's possible to synchronize separate audio and video files, but I think it's tricky and may result in some videos that are out of sync in places. BTW, as far as making CDs of the concert audio goes, let's remember that we'd need advance signed releases from the performers and, at least in some cases, the songwriters too. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Genie Date: 13 Oct 10 - 07:06 PM I have at least 2 of Barry in the Peace Cabin in 2008 and one of him in the Sunday night concert that year. Amos's video of Barry doing "Banks Of The Callow" in a workshop last October is also up at You Tube and came out very well. You can find all of these by searching for "Barry Finn" at You Tube under "Music." It also helps to add either "FSGW Getaway" or "Mudcatter" to the search if you're getting too many extraneous listings. As for recording quality, I think the camcorders that people like Amos and Tinker use do a fine job, and they have zoom capability so the images often come out clearer. But I DK if they have enough memory to record a whole 2+-hour concert, and it would help if they were tripod mounted too for recording the concert. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Bill D Date: 13 Oct 10 - 06:07 PM The videos are wonderful...and there are also some of Barry Finn recorded by Amos which I absolutely treasure! (I'm not sure as I type if you did one of Barry, Genie.) We should not get to the point where we 'demand' this amount of technology, however. It is largely a volunteer matter, and does require some careful planning and 'space' for equipment setup. It would not do to have concerns over 'getting everything recorded' override the flow of the event. Those lovely recordings are a bonus, but not essential. (I remember taking my first BETA VCR to the Smithsonian festival many years ago, and realizing that there was an awkward struggle for prime vantage points by those with cameras and recorders.) |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 13 Oct 10 - 04:15 PM Hey, Genie: I am deeply appreciative of all you're doing. While it would be nice to have more professional quality videos, I thought the whole spirit of the Getaway was sitting around, singing and enjoying each other without a lot of emphasis on "performing." Or maybe I'm wrong. Once you start worrying about performing, it changes the whole atmosphere. My friend here on Mudcat, Dan O'Connell, graciously set up a website for me, for which I am deeply indebted. He posted several videos of songs that I did with my buddy Art Thieme, back in the '80's. In the Handful of Songs video I forget one of the verses and look rather stupid. Duh! But then, it's all a matter of perspective. I didn't ask him to remove it, even though I really blow one verse. I thought it made me look charmingly vulnerable and human. :-) Now, everyone can go to my websight at http://www.jrasmussen.net and see me really mess up the song. So be it. It won't be the last time I make a major mistake. Thanks so much for posting the videos, Genie. I really appreciate you. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Celtaddict Date: 13 Oct 10 - 03:35 PM Okay, yet another song for which I thank Rick Fielding. I find myself quoting him regularly, and hearing his brown-gravy voice in my head often. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Alaska Mike Date: 13 Oct 10 - 03:22 PM Hi Genie, feel free to post any videos you have of me. I have to apologize though for my raspiness of voice due to my cold. But that should add a little humor to the performance. The song I sang at the Sunday concert was titled "Pete". Mike |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Big Mick Date: 13 Oct 10 - 03:18 PM We have dearly departed, and fondly remembered, friend Rick Fielding to thank for that song. He introduced me to Rick Speyer, and that is where I found that song. In fact, Rick, in our last conversation on this good earth (we still "talk" regularly....chuckle) challenged me to use the opportunities I have been so fortunate to have, and record these songs of folks that might not otherwise get out there. Rick Speyer's name was one of the first he said. That song has become my own theme song as well. I am going to make it the title track on one of the two projects that I hope to complete this year. I don't know why I never thought to bring the Tascam before, but let's see if we can get it done next year. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Celtaddict Date: 13 Oct 10 - 03:06 PM Wow, Mick, genius. I enjoy the set of CDs from my first Getaway, and Genie's videos. We can (and I certainly do!) purchase CDs that are studio quality. To me, Genie is right, just the aid to memory is wonderful, bringing it all back. (And having this video won't make me hesitate to grab your CD when you have recorded 'There Will Be Music' which is my new theme song; I hope to spread it to other singers too once you have recorded it. Beautiful.) |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Big Mick Date: 13 Oct 10 - 02:56 PM I have a Tascam Neo 2488 that I can bring and hook up, if Dennis is willing. That would give you a first rate digital recording to sync up with your video recording. In fact, we could burn CD's on the spot for those that wanted them. Maybe tack a nominal charge on for the CD's and contribute it to the scholarship fund. all the best, Mick |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Genie Date: 13 Oct 10 - 02:24 PM Kendall, I think it would be great if we could set up a high-quality audio and video recording system for the Getaway concerts. It would be great to have zoom-in ability on the video and be able to maybe input the sound directly from the pre-amp of the sound board instead of picking up the sound via the speakers. It would be even better to have separate tracks for the various instruments, vocal mics, and performers. Meanwhile, as my thread title suggests, I think there's a real value in having the videos even if there are some glitches in the recording logistics. In many ways, the Getaway concerts are 'not ready for prime time' (although some acts are); people forget lyrics, start over, etc., and some of us are rank amateurs and mediocre singers or instrumentalists; the audience singing (or, especially, whistling) along sometimes enhances the musical quality, sometimes detracts from it. But it's about sharing music together and encompassing folks at many different levels. I don't feel bad about some performances being less than perfect and I'd rather have an imperfect recording than none at all. (I can well understand why not everyone wants their performance or its video to be widely disseminated, though. And why some do, even if there were glitches.) The thing is, the issues are not just with the recording setup. I've gotten some quite nice audio and video recordings at Getaway (and in other venues) using exactly the same laptop and video software in the past. (The static thing is a recent development, that started after I'd been using this MacBook and iMovie for over two years; I just haven't been able to trace the source of the problem until recently and plan to get it fixed later this month.) Here are a few examples of what I think are very nice sound quality videos I've made with this equipment. Sons Of Liberty - Big Mick in Peace Cabin Getaway 2008 Bobert, Lonesome EJ & Leadfingers at Getaway concert 2008 This is on stage, amplified, recorded from about the same distance as at this year's concerts. Bobert's Blues Band 2 - Peace Cabin - Getaway 2008 no amp Kossoy Sisters in Getaway concert 10-5-2008 recorded with the same equipment I used this year, from about the same distance Leadfingers in Getaway concert 2008 - "The Folker" video is thumbnail (so it's blurry) but audio unaffected; Recorded the same way I recorded the others in that concert Zephyrs Of Heaven (jam session recording) Wreck Of The Bay Rupert - Shanghaied On The Willamette at Singtime Frolics 2009 no mics or amps; recorded from about 8-10 feet away (The song starts about 1/3 of the way through the video) "Mineral Wells" - Frank Jones at Common Grounds Coffee House unamplified, recorded from just a few feet away, Jan. 2009 San Antonio Rose - Genie no amp directly on guitar; my playing is sloppy but the recording picked up the guitar sound very true-to-life Froggy Went A-Courtin' - from this year's Getaway concert Sound pretty good on instruments and voices (though there is static in places) Lots of things affect how the audio (in particular) will come out. People differ in their mic technique, their vocal and instrumental volumes, etc., and all the sound is coming out of the same speakers (as well as being live in the room). Dennis had his hands full trying to adjust sound levels for all the different voices and instruments in real time, too. So sometimes some voices or instruments in a duo or group came out louder and clearer than others. For the most part, that wasn't because of the hardware or software on my MacBook (although I do think it may tend to pick up high notes better than really low notes, and I DK if there's an input adjustment for that.) But you're right about the 12-string, Kendall. The video doesn't capture its sound nearly as well as it does Jacqui's voice. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: Ron Davies Date: 13 Oct 10 - 09:54 AM Allan-a-Dale Singers for purposes of the concert) were Peter, Laura (Fred's mom, who did the song Sunday night about people getting out of prison), Tim Slattery, and Miriam Kilmer. Tim and Miriam also did Samanthra (the Sacred Harp piece) Sunday night, which, as they pointed out, works remarkably well with just 2 voices. There are more in Allan-a-Dale but they were not in the song at Getaway. I was in it for about 15 years, but haven't been in it for quite a while. Thanks to you, Genie, for recording and for being as diligent as you are tracking down participants and copyright issues. |
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Subject: RE: Getaway 2010 audio-video-Glass half full From: kendall Date: 13 Oct 10 - 06:51 AM If we are going to do this again we need to scare up some decent recording equipment. The audio really is sub standard. |
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