BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: Gervase
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 12:41 PM

Damn, now we've got to reverse the outrage bus back into the garage.
On second thoughts, while th engine's running, let's use it to pop down to Tesco and pick up some of their 'two for a fiver' chickens and some value ham.

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 12:35 PM

Emperor of Exmoor may not have been shot at all

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: kendall
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 04:16 AM

Ah yes, tree huggers. Now I get it. That's what they call those people in California who want to save what is left of the old growth redwoods. The lumber companies have already taken 90% of it and now they want the rest, citing jobs!

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 02:55 AM

"..A cunning plan - but let down by the fact that It would be rather challenging to smuggle a stag out through Heathrow in your underpants. It's the antlers, you see. Tricky things, antlers..."


"Is that a passport in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?" said Mae, the Customs Officer.

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: Ernest
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 02:02 AM

Latest news:

Emperor has been shot because he was gay!

He was last seen making love to Stag GerLee

;0)

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: DougR
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 01:20 AM

That is, indeed, a very sad story.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: gnu
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 08:29 PM

What is this about ``trophie`s... I don`t understand when that was established. Maybe I missed sommat.

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: gnu
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 08:23 PM

Kendall... a tree hugger is someone who knows shit about trees but wants to save them from a fate they know nothing about.

I can cite an excellent example. Tree huggers had a ``sit in`` and blocked lumber operations from cutting old growth forest in The Christmas Mountains of New Brunswick a while back. Yuppie twits with a bit of knowledge but not enough.

We had a hurricane that felled over 6B cubic metres of that forest. Despite the rush of resources to clean up the mess and make the best of it, proper sylviculture would have done a much better job.

The species in danger that the tree huggers wanted to protect were not protected by mother nature. Proper sylviculture would have protected those species. But, ya can't argue with a tree hugger in a lawn chair on a lumber road with a cooler full of beer and the news media making a show out of it. Only thing more obtuse would be Sir Paul there with a seal trying to get more TV.

That`s a tree hugger. Someone who sighs when a stag or a seal or a chicken dies and wants to emote and sometimes, make money from it.

I don`t like death. Nobody LIKES death. But, logic and proper management falls to humans. Those that say the animals know better than us are... animals. Seriously... if you think inbreeding is all the rage... well... need I really say it...

Okay, just for fun then, go fuck yourselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 07:53 PM

People who collect "sporting trophies" like this ought to be treated the same way as birds-egg collectors - the trophies confiscated, and the collectors subject to criminal sanctions.

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: gnu
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 07:50 PM

"That was not what I said or intimated gnu though is it?"

Not really. But that is my take. When someone thinks that another person should protect an aged stag that is fouling the herd rather than culling it at the highest price offered (as farmers do EVERY DAY) then that seems to me that you are making a decision for that person that you have no right to do... perhaps that person is putting food on the table for THEIR child?

Add it up. It goes on here in the back woods of New Brunswick, Canada EVERY DAY. You wanna save that stag, go for it. Otherwise, that is just meat on the table, one way or another.

That's what I REALLY don't get about the tree huggers. People in my neck of the woods are HUNGRY! What don't you understand about farm or game management and HUNGRY? How can you make your judgement call? It's majestic? It's cute? Sir Paul is cute and I'd club that twit in a minute if he didn't pass the seal flipper pie.

Dale, my bestest Good Ol Buddy Boy said it best... "I like to eat. You like to eat? Fuck the game wardens. I'm gonna eat." Then he pounded a large...

I'm with Dale on this one. And with Dale's kids. Fire up the hob and let's fry.... btw... I don't find that stag all that cuddly.

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: kendall
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 07:39 PM

We just can't stay on the subject, can we?

Gnu, exactly what the hell is a tree hugger anyway?

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: Emma B
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 06:59 PM

LOL Al - welcome back

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 06:58 PM

never heatd of antler luggage then.....?

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: Gervase
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 06:51 PM

A cunning plan - but let down by the fact that It would be rather challenging to smuggle a stag out through Heathrow in your underpants. It's the antlers, you see. Tricky things, antlers.

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: Rafflesbear
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 06:50 PM

Good news if it's true Lizzie, but you can't believe everything you hear....

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: pdq
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 06:39 PM

Rules are made by the government and if they are cumbersome and unworkeable, change them.

There is no excuse for this animal not receiving effective government protection.

Also, there is no reason to blame its death on proper sportsmen since nobody knows who killed it.

Perhaps it is now in Saudi Arabia or UAE? I recall a member of the Saudi royal family offering $75,000 per Peragrine falcon. He had dozens, all poached from the US.

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: Emma B
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 06:29 PM

"It seems odd that there was no federal game management personel around to protect the huge buck at Exmoor. Perhaps your government should stop spending itself into bankruptcy on social engineering programs and get back to basics like national defence, infrastructure building and public lands management."

pdq -

As I said in my post of Date: 26 Oct 10 - 02:13 PM

"The UK system of land ownership and game laws means that landowners have free rein to kill permitted species on their own land – or sell those right to others!"

From the Exmoor National Park site

"National Parks are part of a 'family' of protected areas in Britain. They are protected because the inspiration of their scenery and opportunities they provide for outdoor recreation are seen as being of benefit to the nation.

However, the term 'National Park' does not mean that such an area belongs to the nation.
Much of their funding comes from central government but they are not run or owned by government.

Like other large areas of countryside, they are made up of a large number of properties belonging to a variety of landowners.

In common with other areas of open countryside, much land belongs to large estates in private or public ownership, with private ownership being in the majority."

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 06:04 PM

"Curiouser and Curiouser" said Bambi...for some think The Emperor is wearing new clothes..

Was that a Deer, dear?

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 06:00 PM

"Giving human rights to animals?

Well, that's it. That really takes the cake. That stag matters more than your own child? Good luck with that concept."

That was not what I said or intimated gnu though is it? I said "If human arrogance is to start judging animals by human laws then we really do need to start giving animals human rights!". The point being we cannot hold animals responsible to the same laws that we come under and have made. They are man's laws, not natures.

Who said anything about our own cildren anyway> I certainly stayed on topic about the deer.

with regards

np

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: pdq
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 05:58 PM

"Kevin Stuart, who has the stalking rights to the 3,000-acre estate where the wild deer lives, hopes to get up to £6,000, four times the norm, from a trophy-seeking client when the hunting season opens in three weeks."

There must be a million people in the British Isles that have enough money to beat that price and not kill the animal. Take it to a game preserve or huge private estate where it will not be shot.

It seems odd that there was no federal game management personel around to protect the huge buck at Exmoor. Perhaps your government should stop spending itself into bankruptcy on social engineering programs and get back to basics like national defence, infrastructure building and public lands management.

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: Emma B
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 05:42 PM

"An extremely rare white deer discovered in the Scottish lowlands has become subject of a bidding war between hunters wanting to kill it."

"The white-coated roebuck, which experts say is not an albino, is so unusual that only a handful have been seen in Britain since the end of the Second World War.

Kevin Stuart, who has the stalking rights to the 3,000-acre estate where the wild deer lives, hopes to get up to £6,000, four times the norm, from a trophy-seeking client when the hunting season opens in three weeks."

News article March last year

not for herd management
not for food
not 'cos it's dangerous in any way
but..... it's a rare genetic throwback; historically very uncommon
so just 'cos you want the 'trophy' and you can pay enough.

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: gnu
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 04:59 PM

Giving human rights to animals?

Well, that's it. That really takes the cake. That stag matters more than your own child? Good luck with that concept.

As far as labelling this as killing for sport or all the other stuff, especially the mounting of chicken heads as trophies... good lord, come on.

Kendall... "tree huggers"... "simple minded"? Yup, that's me. So simple that I know that the outrage of tree huggers is often unfounded, counterproductive, superficial and just naive. Not all the time, but more often than not.

As far as the meat from that old bugger being tough... not necessarily... especially if he was shot before the rut. But, that would be sommat that someone who has knowledge of farm or wildlife management would know.

You tree huggers stay warm and fed. BUT, don't eat any meat and DON'T CUT ANY TREES DOWN EH? I hear the Big Bad Wolf is selling sticks and hay for building houses and is offering discounts for those who qualify, so you should be fine for shelter. Dunno what you'll use to cook with... oh, right... you don't cook.. you eat yer sprouts raw... yer "green".

What a load.

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 02:33 PM

Only our ignorance could put such anthropomorphic 'values' on this death as it deserved to die because of breeding with it's daughters. Inbreeding among many animals is common. It's often also useless as any offspring may be sterile and, if successful, and favoured by natural selection , then inbreeding can flourish in some species as the best survival strategy. In our past evolutionary history - long before human laws were made - incest would have been rife among Homo-type populations.

In many animals though inbreeding occurs because the animals are being kept in a closer contact with each other than they would in truly wild conditions. Inbreeding is a result of confinement rather than the default setting fo that animal. In other words, if we are to invoke incest laws on this beast, then we have to likely blame the humans who keep the herd all close together and not in wholly natural conditions of that animals evolution.

If we are to keep animls in such confines then I guess we owe it to them to manage the herd well and kill off the ones who are weak, ill, injured or dying. In such circumstances I suppose we take the role of the prey animals that we killed off long ago that would usually prey on such beasts.

My heart feels wholly against what they did to this magnificent animal. He earned his place naturally and the whole idea of ruts and lekking is nature's invention. He was doing no wrong.

If human arrogance is to start judging animals by human laws then we really do need to start giving animals human rights! We owe it to them to give them some rights anyway, on account of our so called domain over them, but judging them and executing them on human traits seems more than a tad wrong

mp

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: kendall
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 01:43 PM

This is not about eating meat or using hides to make clothes, it is about killing one particular magnificent animal. I guarantee his meat will be tougher than a woodpecker's beak.
Can we please stick to the subject?

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: Rafflesbear
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 01:26 PM

Gervase - unless you are one of the people you denigrate, it doesn't count

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: GUEST,Alan whittle
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 01:17 PM

You couldn't have a chicken's head on the wall.

That would be fowl.

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: Gervase
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 01:13 PM

I've got a ram's skull on the top of a bookcase - does that count? And I've seen plenty of sheepskin rugs in my time.

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: Rafflesbear
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 01:00 PM

Gervase - How many of the people you denigrate have sheeps heads, chickens heads or pigs heads mounted on pieces of wood and stuck on their walls?

Teribus - I believe they are there, my point is that in square mile after square mile of specifically looking for them across the whole of the moor with views of the moorland that stretch to the horizon, in two weeks of looking I saw one deer. However I couldn't begin to count the number of people I saw in this thinly populated part of the country

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: Teribus
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 12:20 PM

"What gives anyone the right to shoot a living creature just because it's teeth aren't so good because of maturing years. If this happened to people across the country there would be an outcry."

Really? The NHS would cost less (only healthy people bimbling about) and there would be no problems getting an NHS Dentist as people would have incentive to look after their teeth.

As for the "Emperor" maybe his time had just come, but as no "body" has been found or reported then who is to say that the "Emperor" is actually dead (Nobody saw him shot, only that a shot was heard).

It is also extremely damaging to have one stag dominant for too long. The UK's gun laws and hunting laws have resulted in the largest animal native to these shores being all but classified as vermin in Scotland with deer populations being out of control although I think the severity of last winter has naturally thinned the herds out. In culls it is normally the hinds that are shot. A couple of years ago on Sunday nights the Grampian Police used to shut down sections of the A9 and A96 to shoot Red Deer close to the road as they were a danger to traffic.

When you hunt with a Stalker he will tell you which animal to shoot and when.

"I have spent two separate weeks in Exmoor, criss crossed it time and again looking for deer and in that time saw just one. The place is not overrun with them.

Just because you didn't see them does not mean that they are not there.

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: Gervase
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 11:56 AM

Nice to know that Patsy is prepared to pay for orthodontic work on an elderly stag!
People and animals are different. For good or ill, we eat animals; we don't eat people.
We have also changed the natural habitats in the UK so dramatically that we need to intervene because nature can no longer take her course. Well, she could, of course, but then there would be cries of outrage from people who came across animals that had starved to death, or where populations had grown to migration levels and the M5 was littered with maimed deer, crashed cars and orphaned children.
We already have as many as 74,000 accidents involving deer annually in the UK with the current population controls.

Anyone who drinks milk, eats eggs, wears wool or leather or who eats meat is complicit in far greater exploitation of animals, but because they are at one remove from the dirty deed, that's OK. I just wish the same level of outrage could be stoked against battery and intensive farming, but I'm willing to bet that a good number of those bleating on this thread are happy to buy their meat, milk and eggs from Tesco's, Asda and Sainsbury's, wear wool and have leather belts and shoes. If you're strict vegan, fine, but if you tuck into your eggs and bacon or stuff your face with a burger from the stall at the festival, you're really rather missing the point.
Me? I'm happy to eat the produce of my own chickens, sheep and pigs. I also shoot wild game and fish for salmon and trout and will barter venison from a stalker friend of mine. I know they've all had a decent, non-intensive existence and I can happily eat them with a clean conscience. As for the rest of you, however...
But hypocrisy always was such a quintessentially English trait.

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 08:22 AM

I didn't know about this until reading this thread and it is sickening. What gives anyone the right to shoot a living creature just because it's teeth aren't so good because of maturing years. If this happened to people across the country there would be an outcry.

Something similar happened quite a few years back in the West Country this was a unique beautiful albino stag shot by some idiotic vandal for fun. It was so rare to get a glimpse of this lovely animal but unfortunately this ******** spotted it and that was the end of that.

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: Brian May
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 08:05 AM

I bet his kids have seen Bambi.

I wonder how he'll explain that one away . . .

Bastard
(and I spent quite a few years with a rifle and even more with a pistol - but I wouldn't shoot any animal I couldn't eat unless it was causing damage or terrorising sheep et al)

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: kendall
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 07:59 AM

Tree Huggers? Simple minded people make up simple names for complex situations.

Just for the record, I am a retired career conservation officer who fully understands the concept of "Culling". We have to do it here on the island of Isle Au Haut which is part of Acadia National Park. The deer overpopulate and many get pretty gaunt for lack of food. The natives can not even have a garden for their own food because the deer eat everything in sight.
That said, all I said was that to kill a one of a kind is a shame. On top of that, I have to wonder how much money changed hands. Let's call it what it is, slaughter.

How would you feel if someone destroyed the Mona Lisa? would you say, "so what, there are plenty of paintings to gawp at"?


We're all in it together, there's no one to blame,
It's become such a part of the race,
It's eternally tragic that which is magic
Be killed at the end of a glorious race,
From young seals to great whales from water to wood
They fall like leaves in the wind
But, we've fur coats and perfume and trophies on walls
WHAT A HELL OF A RACE TO CALL MEN.
(Song for the animals, David Mallett)

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: Zen
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 07:35 AM

That won't stop a lot of needlessly angry people proving that ignorance isn't bliss, of course.

I'm angry about it but am certainly not ignorant of the issues nor, I am sure, are many of the others who've posted and are likewise outraged.

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 06:13 AM

Quite simply, killing for fun is sick! No matter who does it

Inflicting pain for fun is also sick, be it from feral children or brave hunters.

As I have said before, I've nothing against those pricks hunting....as long as its in the jungle, in the dark,and armed with a spear....in fact I would actively encourage it.

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: Rafflesbear
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 05:57 AM

No, my main bone of contention is the taking of a national treasure in a national park for private gain apparently without those charged with looking after the park in the national interest having any say in it.

Will this animal turn up in the Natural History museum for all to see and admire?

I have spent two separate weeks in Exmoor, criss crossed it time and again looking for deer and in that time saw just one. The place is not overrun with them.

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: Gervase
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 05:38 AM

Incest a wholly human concept? Try telling that to my rams!

And read the other articles in the Guardian; this one, which states:
"This beast may simply have got too big and too old for the managed land that it was on. It was getting to the point where he needed to be shot because he had already bred and there was a chance he could interbreed with his own daughters and granddaughters. While it is always a shame to lose an iconic animal, it's much better than starvation and disease,"
And this one, which adds:
"Red stags are in season and as long as the stalker was the landowner, or had the permission of the landowner, and used a legal calibre rifle, then no laws were broken in shooting this stag."

But I suppose it's far easier to jerk the knee than actually to understand the issue. The main bones of contention here are the decision to shoot at the start of the rut and the apparent condition of the stag. I can't make a judgement because I simply don't know the facts. That won't stop a lot of needlessly angry people proving that ignorance isn't bliss, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 05:11 AM

That's what all dominant males in herd animals do. The principle has worked for millennia. Incest is a wholly human concept. I have not seen any suggestion that the shooting was necessary to maintain the gene pool.

If the shooting was for genuine stock/herd management purposes and had taken place outside the rut it would be unobjectionable - compare the US culls of bison. But neither of those tests, apparently, were satisfied.

By way of comparison, there is an almost complete ban on taking freshwater coarse fish from English waters, because, allegedly, of the need to maintain stocks.

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 05:10 AM

newspaper report

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 05:08 AM

It was also reported it was his time yet, the animal had a few more years to go before he reached the age of culling. So far for the not understanding tree huggers not understanding wildlife management.

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: acegardener
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 04:24 AM

It was reported that it was shot from the highway, which I would have thought was an offence in it's self. But in defence of the culling if it was that and not just a trophy hunter, it was seeing off allcomers and shagging it's own daughters. A good enough reason for me.

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: Big Phil
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 03:05 AM

Oh Deer,

Pun intended, I do wish the tree huggers who post on here had some idea of wildlife management, then their posts might make more sense.

There is very little land in England that is not owned by somebody. This owned land if it has game on it will (most of the time) be "rented" out to some shooting syndicate or other.

This deer that was shot, fell into the above situation, someone paid brass to shoot it - all legal and above board.

After a number of years a Stag will start to "go back" meaning his antlers will be smaller and he will start to lose condition. I also believe this beast was the dominent Stag for many years, time to alter the gene pool by taking him out and giving another chance to enhance the herd.

I summise that a handsome ammount of brass was handed over for the "pleasure of shooting this beast, no doubts many thousands.
It was "his time" and I have no problem with that.

If any of you moaners out there eat ANY kind of meat, I guarentee it will not be killed as humanely as this fine animal was, and that's a fact. End of.

Phil*

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: Gervase
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 03:01 AM

Poor Richie clearly does love his animals. He got so excited that he sent me a personal message: Have you a problem whiskers are do you want one ?
I do like to see an old man find a bit of passion in the twilight of his years!

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 10:26 PM

IMO, this was murder.

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: kendall
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 08:22 PM

I'm not against hunting, but killing a one of a kind like this seems a shame.
Bear meat is greasy, and if I want to taste pork I will buy pork.

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: Emma B
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 08:05 PM

This kind!

I expect it was the
"giving the Emperor plenty of time to prove he's still the UK's alpha male......this is a very fine beast. He's so big and powerful.'

- right 'bring him on' sort of mentality

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: ragdall
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 08:05 PM

Rafflesbear,
It's sad that a local icon could so easily be hunted down and shot. If he was so important to the area, should he not have been protected by laws?

I'm assuming that a certain number of deer must be eliminated every year or there won't be enough food and diseases will become a problem. If many natural predators have been eradicated in England, isn't controlled hunting is the only way to prevent deer starvation and spread of illnesses?

We have "Sportsmen" who kill black bears. I's a macho thing; they are not fit to eat.

Kendall,
I wouldn't argue with you that some (many?) people kill black bears for fun, but I can't help wonder what you folks do to your bears to make them inedible?

Folks up here eat black bears. My parents and grandparents did, (I've never hunted.) My dad told me they taste like pork. A friend of mine who wasn't able to work fed his family on bear he shot (along with deer and fish he caught).

rags

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: gnu
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 07:45 PM

Red deer... "These are the largest British deer, the subject for Landseers' Monarch of the Glen, with mature stags standing almost 48 inches (1.2m) at the shoulder...." (firstnature.com)

9' tall? What kinda deer stand 9' tall in Britain?

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: gnu
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 06:43 PM

Gervase Webb.... surely you aren't suggesting attempting proper management of the herd? Why, that might be humane to anyone who understands same.

Hey.... tree huggers... lighten up a tad. Take a course in livestock management and see if you can figure out that it actually applies to wild animals as well.

As for shooting the humans who practice proper wildlife management, well, that might better than dying a slow and painful death in a nursing home. Can I hire you to pull the trigger on me when I need it?

Get outraged. It's all the fashion. Personally... Xmas is coming and, even if the meat is tough, a nice mincemeat pie or two, with vanilla ice cream, sounds yummy.

Subject: RE: BS: Englands Biggest Stag Shot on Exmoor
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 06:35 PM

Richie - serves the bastards right.