BS: turning back clocks

Subject: BS: turning back clocks
From: mmm1a
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 06:27 AM

Yeah so guess who forgot. Woke up around 6:30got up and decided to put the dishes away , make coffee, and make some peach cobbler muffins for breakfast.While I was waiting for the oven to preheat I decided to go on line just for a few minutes. Reading away and just happened to glance down at the time on the screen and oh crap . yep I forgot all about it so here I am up an hour earlier and I know it'll take me til next spring to get my eternal clack adjusted. maybe even longer to get some of these new fangled clocks changed, unless my kids help me out. Coulddo like the secretary at my church, she absolutely refuse to change the clock in Her office , can be confusing at times .
             mmm1a

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 06:29 AM

Well you ain't in the UK then! We went back last week.

Just think, you have an extra hour to be on Mudcat :-)

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 10:08 AM

The town in which I live has a church whateveritis that tolls on the hour. It`s outta sync, BUT, it`s right for the other half of the year.

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 11:34 AM

Made it to the variety store down the street for the Sunday morning paper and they weren't open. Well, it was almost 7 AM real time which I gradually realized. So I cooled my heels for two minutes.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 01:17 PM

This is probably the first time in a couple of decades that I've actually reset all the visible clocks before retiring, but then it was around 05:00 am CDT/04:00 am CST when I shut down "last night."

There are two other clocks that theoretically need to be reset, but they're buried under piles of books and papers that will require a backhoe excavation to get to them. Since I can't see them, it's probably not of much urgency that they be changed, and they probably won't need changing by the time they're exhumed - unless that doesn't happen before next year's change.

John

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: open mike
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 01:26 PM

the computer and the cell phone automatically set them selves...i wonder when they do that ? 2 a.m.? but the others, wrist watch, wall clock and vehicle ones need to be set by hand. (or perhaps i should just take the batteries out for an hour, or disconnect the car battery and re-connect it right at noon (or midnight)

there is no longer a time (or temperature) phone number to call to get a recorded message, as so many people use cell phones or computer to tell time. these numbers have become obsolete, just as phone booths.
have you tried to find a phone booth lately?

they say that the forest service can justify taking look out towers out of service because of the prevalence of cell phones...they presume that any fire spotted will be reported by phone...they forgot to figure in that the remote areas where fires can become a problem are far from cell service.....

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 02:31 PM

My vehicle clock altered itself. I was gobsmacked.

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: Tangledwood
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 05:03 PM

wrist watch, wall clock and vehicle ones need to be set by hand. (or perhaps i should just take the batteries out for an hour

How will you know when it's time to put them back in? :)

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 05:49 PM

My vehicle clock altered itself

Are you really sure you didn't just neglect to change it at the previous switch?

take the batteries out for an hour ...

On digital clocks this will only work if you put the batteries back in at midnight or noon, since that's the time nearly all of them "reboot" to. And then you've still got to figure out how to stop the #!$@# thing from blinking at you.

And some "plug-in" digital clocks (especially alarm clocks) have an internal battery that keeps the same time for more than an hour with the power off, so you'd probably need a day or two unpowered to run down the battery, and the same "plug in at noon" procedure.

Many "battery operated" analog clocks only use the battery to wind the spring, so you'll have to figure out how long it runs without being re-wound and add that to your hour of "off time." (It was about 18 minutes on the one I checked last year; but they appear to have a wide range of variation.)

John

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: Penny S.
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 05:58 PM

I've inherited two striking pendulum clocks which cannot be turned back, and I have to stop them for an hour. I think. One of them I'm having problems with, anyway. When I brought them home and replaced the pendulum bobs which I took off for the journey, one did not click down to the right place. I did not realise that it wasn't in the right spot, and when it turned out to be fast, I adjusted the little screw under the bob to make it slower. And then I found out about the bob, as it pulled down, and I've been trying to get it right since. (Including a spell when I had forgotten that it got faster with a shorter pendulum.) I wish I could tell how much of a turn of the screw meant what in minutes per week.

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: Nancy King
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 07:36 PM

I think the whole business is a monumental pain in the butt.

And I HATE that it gets dark so early!

Grumble, grumble...

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: olddude
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 07:55 PM

Pocket watches, 100+ years old ... well ya gotta do them yourself, no newfangled technology in those old machines

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 08:44 PM

I just counted. My small home has 11 clocks in it. (Why did the manufacturer put a clock in the CD player?)

We have useful clocks and antique clocks and portable clocks (watches) and bedside clocks. There's a useless Golden Hour clock, which doesn't keep time but is kept for purposes of ancestor worship because it has family connections.

Reminds me of the song by Alaska Mike:

Spring up, fall back
all around my little shack.
tumty tumty tumty tock
There's another stupid clock.
============
Recently a piano tuner was here and he asked me if I had a pair of scissors. I looked at him incredulously. I wanted to say " Do I have a pair of scissors?? but then realized that he doesn't know I sew, craft and cook.

Later we made a mental count, and we have 24 pairs of scissors, each one different.

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 08:52 PM

Twice yearly when time changes here there are news stories about how long it takes for workers in clock and watch shops to reset all their timepieces.

Here's a funny story about a clock on a downtown Providence street. Modern technology is often not what it should be!

http://newsblog.projo.com/2010/11/uris-clock-travels-through-tim.html

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 08 Nov 10 - 04:08 AM

The director at a lab where I worked while in college had an "iron clad rule" that there be "no drinking before 5:00" (official quitting time) so in deference to visiting dignitaries the clock behind his desk had been equipped with a control servo that automatically "went to 5:01" when he pressed a button on his desk.

The base commander at one military post I passed through once did him one better, with an "official commanders clock" on which all of the numbers were "5".

Anything can be automated if someone with proper authority orders it done.

John

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 08 Nov 10 - 05:36 AM

I bought a Set Top Box to convert one of my TVs a while ago - it is always an hour fast - no matter what time zone I set it to....

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 10 - 06:42 AM

So if this year could be the last year of putting the clock back is it going to be left alone, or will the clocks go forward for the last time before stopping them going back?

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: Cats
Date: 08 Nov 10 - 06:57 AM

forget the hour... Give us back our 11 days

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Nov 10 - 10:52 AM

I cannot fathom why mobile phones do not auto-reset the time.

But hey, in England, the Con-Dems are trying to turn the clock back centuries to when the lower classes tugged their forelocks when a master approached.

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 08 Nov 10 - 12:03 PM

WTF has that last bit got to do with topic of this thread, tho, Richard! Do you find some sinister social motive & suspect the Coalition of forbidding mobile phones to be so programmed? Or what?

Or are you perhaps getting a bit obsessive & King·Chas's·Heady?

Regards

~Michael~

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: open mike
Date: 08 Nov 10 - 01:28 PM

but what did the piano tuner want with scissors?
My guess it that he was installing felt and needed to cut it to size?

yes, my computer set itself back in october--XP must be programmed to follow the pre-2007 time change -- change...

song: It's 5 o'clock somewhere
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPCjC543llU

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: open mike
Date: 08 Nov 10 - 01:48 PM

here's your (5 o') clock http://www.amazon.com/Buffett-Margaritaville-Kitchen-OClock-Somewhere/dp/B003JIFS2A

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 08 Nov 10 - 05:50 PM

I cannot fathom why mobile phones do not auto-reset the time.

Any computer that's on a network, and any cell/mobile phone, must have an accurate time that agrees with the other devices on the network. Your mobile phone does reset the time fairly frequently, to agree with the local network, although a survey a few months reported that most "cell systems" average about ten minuts "off" from true universal time.

What your phone doesn't set is the display offset that determines what time is shown on the phone's display - i.e. the "time zone" you're in.

The accuracy of your computer's internal clock setting also depends generally on what time the server your ISP uses thinks is correct.

When you connect, the server calculates an "offset error" to account for any difference between "server time" and the time on your device's internal clock. Every transmission then sends your "internal time" and the "offset" between you and the server to keep things "in sync." If the mismatch between your device and the server exceeds the maximum "offset value" you won't be able to communicate, so it is essential that the clock in your computer be within about 185 years of the correct time. Your clock must also be running.

Most Operating Systems will "reset" your device's internal clock if there's a significant error, but the "maximum reset increment" is smaller than the maximum error, so it may take several weeks (weekly corrections being the norm) for a very large error to be removed.

While you can manually go to one of the "Standards Bureau" clocks to set your time, high traffic at these sites has resulted in a "priority system" that limits access by random users. Secondary standards, as at major servers/services have priority but an individual may get mostly "failed to connect." Windows should automatically set your system to make the corrections weekly from a Microsoft Server Secondary Standard Clock that will be "as close as you need" for normal use.

But then, when everything is set, with proper time zones and Std/Svg time offsets, at 14:00 local time (CST) the power goes out, and doesn't come back on until 15:30 (my local times) and now I HAVE TO RESET ALL MY &$%#@!!! CLOCKS.

John

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 08 Nov 10 - 06:22 PM

If the coalition con-dems the UK to permanent BST it will mean that professional drivers will be working on two time systems all year. To keep in line with EC, they have to use Universal Common Time (GMT) on digital tachos.

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Nov 10 - 06:29 PM

And then, Lo! it will become necessary to withdraw from the EU.

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 09 Nov 10 - 05:27 AM

Does that mean European drivers are working on two time systems? GMT and CET?

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: saulgoldie
Date: 09 Nov 10 - 05:54 AM

Isn't the premise for changing the clocks that it saves energy? Does anyone KNOW that it actually does? Some have suggested that it actually COSTS energy, but the merchants like it because it keeps shoppers out longer to, among other things, go shopping. And anyway, it DOES confuse the chickens and cows. Don't know about the crops.

I say fuckitall, and keep the clocks the same and deal with it. But then, I've been right on so many things that don't gain any traction.

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 09 Nov 10 - 06:37 AM

How does it confuse the chickens and cows? They don't know what the time is. As long as they get fed at the same time as usual they won't notice.

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: saulgoldie
Date: 09 Nov 10 - 06:52 AM

Kidding, Manitas. I was KIDDING. Of course livestock don't know time, leastwise not since they enacted the law that livestock were no longer permitted to wear pocket watches. (Ducking and running...)

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 09 Nov 10 - 07:06 AM

Actually the chickens and the cows do know what time it is, and they operate on an approximation of daylight savings.

One of our cats jumps in bed with us and starts yowling, scratching, and otherwise demanding to be fed his "breakfast" precisely 17 minutes after the sun hits the front window.

If we don't wake up and take care of it, he sneezes on whoever looks most likely and then goes to the other and starts sharpening his claws.

(As a side benefit, he has learned to fly fairly gracefully, but only for short distances.)

Many animals work by sunup time, and DST puts our artificial clock-regimented wake-up and bed-down times more closely (although not perfectly) in sync with them.

John

Subject: RE: BS: turning back clocks
From: Charmion
Date: 09 Nov 10 - 02:34 PM

We also have a feline alarm clock, and I swear he knows what time it is. If we're not up by 0600, winter or summer, he gets busy. How the hell does he know it's six o'clock?