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Subject: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: gnu Date: 31 Jan 11 - 02:24 PM Foolestroupe posted a link in another thread trhat Max posted on Facebook. It's worth a boo. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: Rapparee Date: 31 Jan 11 - 07:57 PM I recognized that years back -- I just add some of the blueberries I freeze every summer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: bobad Date: 31 Jan 11 - 08:14 PM If you're smart you'll stay away processed |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: gnu Date: 31 Jan 11 - 08:30 PM Bobad... I do. The only processed stuff I eat is stuff like canned soup that serves as a base for a quick meal. Like canned veggie soup to which I add frozen veggies and whatever. Mum taught me that when you read the ingrediants and find words you can't pronounce or just don't know, trash it. Fresh food. Good food. Doesn't matter about the picture on the package. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: Stilly River Sage Date: 31 Jan 11 - 08:58 PM Whenever you read the labels it's pretty clear that most "blueberries" aren't. Whenever you read the labels, that's usually enough to put the item back and go home and make your own. I'm making tortillas tonight, they have four ingredients - flour, salt, shortening, water. The ones in the store have tons more stuff in it than that and last forever on the shelf because they're full of preservatives. I freeze my tortillas as soon as they cool and they're delicious as I need them for the next few weeks. You have to plan ahead. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 31 Jan 11 - 09:01 PM Soup is the cheapest, nutritious meal I can think of. Probably 3X/week, a can of soup, a roll and a piece of fruit, is my mid-day meal. Progresso and Healthy Request varieties can be had, often, for $1.25 or less. You can't eat out that inexpensively. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 31 Jan 11 - 09:13 PM Fresh (very often) and frozen blueberries (always) in the stores. The best are the little ones which are sweeter. Good in a pancake mix. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: Bobert Date: 31 Jan 11 - 09:19 PM This is why I believe in "Natural Lite" beer... As I understand it all the major food groups are in it and so I try to stay with a steady diet of the stuff... BTW, word on the street is that you'll only be able to buy it in health food stores purdy soon... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: Rapparee Date: 31 Jan 11 - 10:44 PM Yeah, but it's all organic, except the chemicals that are inorganic, like silicon dioxide (a/k/a sand). I have a very small amount of wild huckleberries still in the freezer. I really need to get some more this year. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 31 Jan 11 - 11:51 PM "Doesn't matter about the picture on the package. " Which is why they no longer put pictures of babies on cans of baby food in non-english speaking countries... |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: Jack the Sailor Date: 01 Feb 11 - 09:49 AM Boulderdash!!! Next you will be saying that Froot loops aren't made of real fruit and mashed up toucans! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 01 Feb 11 - 10:31 AM Thanks for the chuckle, Foolestroupe. A few years ago I came up with the name 'bluebitty' muffins for airline muffins whose blueberries, on close examination, turned out to be lumps of gritty batter dyed deep purple. But I don't obsess about it. We keep of bag of frozen blueberries in the freezer, and most Sunday morning we take out a handful and make blueberry pancakes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: GUEST,999 Date: 01 Feb 11 - 12:59 PM Jeeze--I bet you folks stay away from Cheeze Whiz! The following is from Wikipedia cheez whiz - cheese dip - original Ingredients: WHEY, CANOLA OIL, MILK, MILK PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, MALTODEXTRIN , SODIUM PHOSPHATE, CONTAINS LESS THAN 2% OF WHEY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, SALT, LACTIC ACID, SODIUM ALGINATE, MUSTARD FLOUR, WORCESTERSHIRE SAUCE (VINEGAR, MOLASSES, CORN SYRUP, WATER, SALT, CARAMEL COLOR, GARLIC POWDER, SUGAR, SPICES, TAMARIND, NATURAL FLAVOR), SORBIC ACID AS A PRESERVATIVE, MILKFAT, CHEESE CULTURE, OLEORESIN PAPRIKA (COLOR), ANNATTO (COLOR), NATURAL FLAVOR, ENZYMES. Size: 15 OZ Anyway, I didn`t have that. Instead I made a healthy choice: Velveeta Cheese on toasted white bread which made it a blackish platform for some Velveeta slices. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: SINSULL Date: 01 Feb 11 - 01:54 PM And it doesn't have to be refrigerated. Preserved into the next Ice Age as well. YUM! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: GUEST, topsie Date: 01 Feb 11 - 02:10 PM A 'healthy choice'? I found a website 'Is Velveeta cheese bad for you?' which contains the following: "Although Velveeta cheese advertises itself as a soft cheese, if you study the label you'll see it's actually a 'processed cheese food'... inspection of the Velveeta cheese label shows that the only mention of cheese is the last item on the list which is labeled "cheese culture". Other ingredients include milk, milk fat, whey protein, and alginate which is a gum found in seaweed. It also contains sodium citrate and coloring. If you're looking for a natural food product, Velveeta isn't a good choice since it's undergone a fair amount of processing." It sums up by saying: "If you want a natural product, Velveeta processed cheese spread isn't for you. Not only is it processed, but it contains enough preservatives that it can be safely stored in the cabinet unopened without refrigeration. In terms of fat content, calorie content, and overall nutrition, it's not as bad as might be expected for a processed product, although the high sodium content is a drawback. Because of the preservatives and high sodium content, it may be best to eat dairy based cheese in moderation and avoid Velveeta." |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: gnu Date: 01 Feb 11 - 02:13 PM 999... a jar of cheese whiz for $6 or a brick of Cracker Barrel cheeze for $4... I go with the real cheese. Heck, the cheese was on for $3.49 just before Xmas. I have enough in the freezer to make huge batch mac & cheese once a month until next december. Anyone try the new Cracker Barrel "Extra Old" yet? Nearly $9 a brick here and I can't go for that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: GUEST,999 Date: 01 Feb 11 - 02:18 PM Special thank yous to SINSULL for sharing my love of Velveeta. Gnu, the Kraft Cheese is great--but ONLY the old or extra old. I can`t afford the regular price per pound. Only have it when it`s on sale. Does it freeze worth a darn (question mark) |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: Dorothy Parshall Date: 01 Feb 11 - 04:02 PM Topsie: thanks for that. Of course, I gave up on Velveeta about 50 years ago and would never touch Cheez Whiz! In general, If one is reasonably careful, healthy food is cheaper than unhealthy food because it gives one more nutrition per dollar. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: Noreen Date: 01 Feb 11 - 06:57 PM 'Old' cheese and 'Extra old'? I don't think they would sell well over here (UK) labelled that way, sounds stale to me :) Our cheese of that ilk is labelled 'mature' and 'extra mature' (yum):D |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: Joe Offer Date: 01 Feb 11 - 07:11 PM I've been listening to episodes of the Loafer's Glory radio program, hosted by Utah Phillips, available for free download at http://www.thelongmemory.com/. On one program, Utah was complaining about living in Nevada City, California, a city so full of healers that he was getting sick from hearing their health advice [my wife is one of those healers - we don't live far from Nevada City]. He said he heard that 80 percent of people die from natural causes, so he decided to stay away from natural foods and go back to eating pizza and Slim Jim sausages. -Joe, from southeast Wisconsin, where people use Cheese Whiz to make tacos (pronounced TACK-ohs)- |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: Jeri Date: 01 Feb 11 - 07:34 PM Cheese Whiz is great mixed 50/50 with Pace hot salsa, and used to dip tortilla chips in. I think the salsa has a lot of vitamin C and garlic and fiber. The chips have fiber, too. I'm hooked on grilled Velveeta sammiches (thanks a lot, 999). I know we got into fake blueberries, but an awful lot of cereal seems to be sold with too much added sugar. I get plain oatmeal and add a little sugar and cinnamon. Even the Kashi stuff which presents itself as healthy/organic has a sickening (to me) amount of sugar. Give me plain cereal, and then I can stick the sugar in my coffee. "Healthy" (Choice) soup with a half ton of salt in it and gross meat-like stuff. I had some of that a little while ago. Never again. Fundamentally, almost anything has something bad in it. Tuna and other fish has mercury (and possibly dolphins), vegetables and fruit can have pesticides or salmonella or clostridium perfringens or some other crap, animal products have fat and possibly hormones, grains can also be contaminated with pesticides, fertilizer or other crap. Everything has SOMEthin bad. I think it's a good idea to eat a variety of foods, the fresher, the better (unless it's pickled, fermented or spiced to the gills). Everything in moderation--including moderation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: GUEST, topsie Date: 02 Feb 11 - 08:13 AM I often find that foods labelled as 'No added sugar' (which suggests that they are healthy and incontaminated, and which I would expect to be not over-sweetened) in fact contain artificial sweeteners - they not only taste disgusting, they contain artificial additives as well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: GUEST,999 Date: 02 Feb 11 - 12:10 PM Get hungry enough, Dorothy, and along with the rest of us you`d eat Velveeta. I think the turkey we ate near New Year likely had various growth hormones in it--and the rest of the vegetables likely had pesticide residue, too. One does what one can. I do know you do your best to ingest healthy foods, but I have had too many hungry times to get all high-brow about eating. I ate muskrat because I needed to. Had I shot a coyote I`d have eaten that. If tripe, brain or heart--all of which I detest--were the only thing available, I`d suck it up and eat that. Ya can`t always get what ya want, but if ya try sometime, ya get what ya need. Trust things are well in the BIG city. We are up to our arses in snow here. Say hello to the guys for me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: Dorothy Parshall Date: 02 Feb 11 - 04:36 PM No argument there, 999!! I have no doubt that everything on earth is imbued with some chemicals, just from wind currents. As for cost, I have spent many months in my life living on cabbage, beans and rice, porridge and not much else. I do believe, however, if we looked at nutrition/calories provided/cost factors, that some foods give us more bang for our buck. Like beans vs other proteins? Now, you can tell us about farts and warming the house by striking a match..... About 6 or 8 inches here so far, I think. Traffic is still moving here on Charlevoix. I was out about noon and the driving was fun. Glad Robin has newer truck with snow tires! I don't care how much it snows today as long as we can make it to Ormstown on Friday!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: GUEST,999 Date: 02 Feb 11 - 05:37 PM You are one seriously crazy gal. It`s a mess here, and there`s no sign of it stopping. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: gnu Date: 02 Feb 11 - 06:33 PM 999... freeze cheddar and it comes out "crumbly" which is fine for cooking (actually easier than slicing and dicing). It tastes fine even without using it for cooking but it's "crumbly". |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 02 Feb 11 - 07:20 PM gnu - that's a common fate of many items that are frozen in domestic freezers - because it is a slow process, it can change the texture - I freeze cheese occasionally and I like the result. Other things to freeze for this effect - Philly Cream cheese - eat while frozen and it shatters like frozen cheesecake - another thing to freeze. BTW, butter (and marg) will store in a freer and thaw ok. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: GUEST,999 Date: 03 Feb 11 - 06:45 PM Thanks for the info. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: Dorothy Parshall Date: 03 Feb 11 - 06:54 PM I store butter in freezer always now. We use it so rarely, we just take it out and scrape off a sliver! I got some half price brie recently and froze one. It came out just fine. 999: not sure which of my remarks elicited "... crazy gal" but I know I am in good company and I love the company I'm in!! The trip home last week was dicey. I hope tomorrow is better. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: Stringsinger Date: 04 Feb 11 - 05:45 PM Boo-hoo! Stick to real veggies and fruits and avoid packaged crap and stay out of the middle aisle of super markets. Watch your labels carefully if you have to do packaged or cans. "Organic" has been co-opted by GMO's and Ag Business, your two worst sources. Local footprint if you can. Eat simply. If you really want to live long, eat real organic veggies and fruits uncooked and raw, but really clean them carefully first. Get exercise also for digestion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: Dorothy Parshall Date: 04 Feb 11 - 06:02 PM Good stuff, SS! Pithy and concise. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: gnu Date: 04 Feb 11 - 06:53 PM Frozen butter... the colder the butter (or marg), the better. It adds to the flavour experience. Far better to place frozen chips of it on a bun or piece of bread than "butter" your bread with warm butter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: josepp Date: 04 Feb 11 - 10:22 PM I remember when I was stationed in Norfolk that there was this little eatery down the street from my flat. I'd been in there a thousand times. One day, me and a buddy went there for breakfast. The waitress poured me some coffee which I always drank black (I don't drink coffee anymore). There was a little bowl of those little plastic cup things full of creamer on the counter. My buddy grabs one and starts to open it but then he elbows me and shows me the name of the stuff--"Coffee Whitener." Not cream, whitener. It was essentially white paint you put in your coffee to lighten it up but it had no cream in it. I had never paid attention to them before because I never used them anyway. I read the ingredients and you needed a major in chemistry to know what the shit was. There was nothing called "cream" in the list--just chemical terms. A chemical concoction to paint your coffee white with--in case drinking coffee dark upsets you. Why drink it dark when you can paint it white with chemicals and then drink it? YUMMM!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 05 Feb 11 - 06:59 AM Is 'Coffee Mate' still on sale? It was a ghastly powder which you used instead of cream. In spite of all the cholesterol scares, I still feel that natural cream is far better for you than a powder made up of various chemicals which ones body doesn't recognise. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that Coffee Mate has been quietly withdrawn as it's been proved to be dodgy! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 05 Feb 11 - 07:07 AM Last time I saw it, it was called 'non-dairy whitener'. mainly soy based, I think ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 05 Feb 11 - 07:16 AM Inflight coffee comes with a sinister little packet of chemical dust to 'whiten' your drink. But then, the entire food & drink experience on aircraft is a total nightmare. (With the exception of Air France, whose catering standards aren't bad at all. Ditto French ferries.) I once accepted, on booking, to pay fifteen pounds to eat on a long Afriqiyah flight to Accra via Tripoli. It came in a tatty cardboard box with a strange smell. On opening it, a dreadful and overpowering stench of rotting fish filled the entire cabin. I looked round, and not one of the other, predominantly African, passengers had ordered food, preferring to starve. They'd obviously seen this before! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: Penny S. Date: 05 Feb 11 - 08:02 AM Organic labels in the UK have to be backed up legally, and I think in the EU as well. Coffee whitener did have some effect on the taste - I can recall it now, but can't describe it. Lecithin was involved, which is a natural product (that would be the soya), plus a substance which appeared to my geological training to be ground feldspar. I suppose you could describe the effect by saying it rounded off the taste of the coffee, smoothed out the bitterness. I did notice that one tub in a cafe was described as kosher, which does give one reason for the stuff, as it isn't dairy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: GUEST,999 Date: 05 Feb 11 - 02:52 PM There are edible oil products on the market, too. How natural can ya get . . . |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: Jeri Date: 05 Feb 11 - 03:36 PM I'm making chicken stew. It's healthy if you don't eat enough food. It's not going to be healthy if you don't eat chicken or butter, because it's gonna have roux in it. It would have dumplings if I'd gotten the recipe off a friend... AND if I could have found lard. If my friend should happen to read this, I dream about those dumplings! My mother's dumplings were to die before, but her stew was good. Anyway, this has a lot of onions, celery, and some beautiful carrots. (The produce guy went out back to get some really good ones for me. I think they were the same ones that were on the shelf, but perception means everything.) I haven't really liked margarine since I discovered butter. I grew up with margarine. Now, we know it has all sorts of nasty trans-fats in it. A little butter can make me a lot happier than a load of fake margarine. Real cream in my coffee: the fake creamer/coffee lightener crap is SOOOO offensive! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: rumanci Date: 05 Feb 11 - 04:28 PM 225 g self-raising flour 115 g fresh breadcrumbs in place of 115g flour for lighter mix 115 ml beef or vegetable suet ½ tsp salt 230 ml water Method You will need 1 large saucepan of stew leaving 3-4 inches (7-10 cm) clear at the top. Any flavourings you fancy for dessert version. It is a good idea, after rolling, to keep the dumplings in the fridge for about 30 minutes. In a mixing bowl, add water gradually while stirring. When stiff, knead to a mouldable consistency, just enough to roll into balls any size according to preference. I would advise beginners to go for large egg size to see how much the dumplings swell. You can then adjust next time. Roll the balls between floury hands. Stew dumplings: I presume you still have a stew cooking already. About 20 minutes before end of cooking time, check dumplings for flour covering and, using a large spoon or perforated one, place dumplings in saucepan and wait for stew to finish. Both stew and dumplings should be ready together. Dumplings should be light and fluffy, with perhaps a little gravy stain round the edges. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: rumanci Date: 05 Feb 11 - 04:35 PM Unfortunately the REAL Sussex dumplings are without suet. Sussex dumpling Definition England A dumpling made only of flour, salt and water. Also called hard dumpling, Sussex swimmer but suet shouldn`t just be for the birds IMO. A great rib-sticker winter warmer and stews aren`t stews without the real McCoy (i.e. Atora Shredded Suet) dumplings to soak up the delicious gravy flavours. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: gnu Date: 05 Feb 11 - 04:38 PM Bisquick dumplings in a pinch. And they are good. I just use a regular biscuit recipe when I have all required in the house. But I have a box of Bisquick at hand all the time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: GUEST, topsie Date: 05 Feb 11 - 04:40 PM I looked for vegetable suet when cooking for a non-meat-eater but could only find it made of hydrogenated vegetable oil, which I refuse to use. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: GUEST, topsie Date: 05 Feb 11 - 04:44 PM I once bought Bisquick on somebody's recommendation but threw it out once I had read the ingredients - hydrogenated vegetable oil ( = transfats - very bad for you). |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: Jeri Date: 05 Feb 11 - 04:50 PM I seem to remember baking powder... This stew turned really good. Forgot: little red potatoes and garlic. If I had had a dumpling, I would have exploded. And I have lunch for tomorrow and a few days next week. It's not fake and it's not terrible healthy or unhealthy, and maybe it doesn't belong in this thread. But really, a lot of what people tell us is healthy, isn't all that good for us, and what some tell us is unhealthy, isn't that bad. Most of the fake stuff isn't healthy (like the "blueberries) isn't good for us, but other fake stuff (like soy protein "meat") IS. I don't think there's one across-the-board rule. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: Dorothy Parshall Date: 05 Feb 11 - 05:41 PM TVP - texturized vegetable protein (soya, I think) has same effect on many people as MSG. I avoid "meat substitutes after having been terribly "ill" for three days while attending a conference at a vegetarian college. Lots of people had the "flu". Stopped eating the meat substitute and stopped having the "flu". Real meat is certainly healthier than that stuff for those of us who are sensitive to it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: Ed T Date: 05 Feb 11 - 07:25 PM I like blueberries alot. I am as interested in fake blueberries, as I am in fake orgasims. Count me out for either. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 05 Feb 11 - 09:09 PM 3 things I have always preferred in spite of all the 'health howls' - full fat milk, proper butter, and eggs. The last 2 are only now being acclaimed as better than they once were, even eggs are now considered 'good'... |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: Ed T Date: 05 Feb 11 - 09:19 PM Foolestroupe , you are now on "three's". What ever happened to your "fives" obsession? :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Fake' healthy food - good to know From: Jeri Date: 05 Feb 11 - 09:47 PM Good that you're obsessed with other people's obsessions. I couldn't stand milk if it wasn't "whole" milk. Now, there's that augmented stuff, 1% that tastes like whole milk, and it's really GOOD. I loathed blueberries until a few years ago. Now, I love them. The one thing I've noticed is that "current thinking" on what's healthy isn't very reliable. Coffee, for example. First, it didn't matter. Then, it was bad, then good (anti-oxidants). I think there's no universal "good" or "bad" with coffee, or with many things. Some folks will have heard rhythm issues if they drink it, or diarrhea, or blood pressure problems. Other people have none of those things, and the anti-oxidant goodness is a big plus. One thing right up there with fake blueberries, or actually way above it: artificial sweeteners. Stevia comes from a plant, but the blue, the pink and the yellow stuff is horrible. When I was younger, no-calorie sweeteners were considered good, because of all the empty calories they replaced. Nobody should drink gallons of sweet liquid, but a little sugar is far healthier than those little packets of simulated sweetness. |
