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BS: World's Best Coffee?

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A PROPER CUP OF COFFEE
I'D RATHER MAKE COFFEE THAN LOVE
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Subject: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 05 Aug 11 - 11:19 PM

Well, this topic definitely belongs below the line although there have been many songs dedicated to the subject.

Coffee is of course an addiction and there tend to be ardent advocates for any particular blend. Here's mine, and why it's mine:

Ethiopian Horse Harar, available from website via www.FairwayMarket.com

I got addicted to this coffee while I was in the Peace Corps in Ethiopia, 1965-68, and was delighted to find that the Fairway Market in the Redhook neighborhood in Brooklyn had a continuous supply of the beans. Typically this bean is mixed with other beans and is marketed as "Mocha Java" but I prefer it straight. I love a highly acidic coffee. It's now running about $12 per pound.

Harar is an ancient walled city in the eastern highland area of the Ethiopian plateau. The French poet Arthur Rimbaud (1854-1891) was resident in this city, in his role as gun runner, and became addicted to this brand of coffee as well, not to mention hashish and khat.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: EBarnacle
Date: 05 Aug 11 - 11:22 PM

A mix of Celebes Kalossi and Kenyan, 50 50.


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: saulgoldie
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 12:43 AM

I really enjoyed Starbucks 2010 Christmas blend. Still savoring the last few bean's worth.

Saul


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: mrdux
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 02:01 AM

morning glass coffee and cafe on east manoa road in honolulu.


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 08:27 AM

My favorite is just a nice normal Columbian Supremo. But the best and most expensive coffee is rumored to be Kopi Luwak. What makes it special, I will leave you to Google for yourselves. I don't think that you would believe me if I told you.


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Lox
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 08:28 AM

Its all about Jamaican Blue Mountain.

More expensive, but in the hands of a skilled coffee maker nothing comes close!


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: MarkS
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 09:02 AM

Sumatran Has almost a "winey" flavor.


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: frogprince
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 09:25 AM

JTS, there was some discussion about that Kopi Luwak here awhile back. Sounds like some good shit!


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 09:33 AM

I was involved in some earlier thread on it. I am intrigued, but I don't know if I could bring myself to try it.


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 09:54 AM

I'll be the first to admit that I am a "coffee snob"... With that said I am currently enjoying my second cup of "Cerro Las Ranas" (El Salvador) ground "Turkish"...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 10:12 AM

How much Kopi Luwak
Could a civet cat quaff,
If its coffee were served in a carafe?

Clearly the "coffee question" is not one which will generate consensus.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 11:04 AM

JOE, a 100% arabica medium roast from Trader Joe's stores. I brew in French Press, adding about a quarter measure per 12oz mug for perfection.


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 11:05 AM

VERY clean equipment.
NEWLY ground beans.
Brought to you by someone else while you're still in bed, but ready to wake up.


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 11:23 AM

Oh, but I have to tell a story of the UNIVERSE's best coffee.

Picture this: Burma, early 80's, pre-dawn and freezing but you have to bare your feet to enter the temple, where we'd been told the party started for the annual mendicant monk alms-giving, when ALL the men and boys who happen to be monks that year in the whole country come to be given something. We'd been misled - the predawn hour was when all the women and girls in the village started cooking in their own homes, but we didn't know that yet - so we sat in a corner of a room where there were some monks sitting on the floor around a big, low table where scuttling acolytes were attempting to rush into and out bearing food for the table, all while not letting their heads be higher than the heads of the sitting monks, so it was quite a show, which the monks completely ignored, and we waited for things to start happening. Then at one point the acolytes kind of all scuttled in, lifted the table between them all, and then set it back down, at which point the monks began eating. It ws really neat to see, especially with the heads-lower bit. But then one of the monks started yelling at the acolytes and gesturing toward us, so we figured we were busted and would have to leave, or worse take our freezing feet out of my companion's purse, but then instead one of the acolytes came running over to us... with coffee.

It had chicory or something in it, and brown sugar, and condensed milk or something, it was thick and hot and sweet...

...and it was by far the most delicious coffee (or anythhing, for that matter) either of us (and she was French!) had ever, ever had, since of course we had gotten no coffee yet getting up at 3 am with no room service...

Man. I wish I could taste it again, and find out what was in it.

The alms-giving was interesting, too: all day (from like 11 am on!) a wavering line of monks of all ages (note being a Buddhist monk isn't a life decision until you're older but you have to be one for a total of 2 years before turning 18, so you do it a few months at a time starting from very little) wandered through the center of town where each was handed something that we gather was supposed to get them through the year. Each family member from the village apparently contributed something, so some monks got big things that were hard to carry and apparently contained many foodstuffs and other items, and others were handed little pots with a single plant in it or something, and that was that, luck of the draw for however long it had taken you to walk from wherever in Burma you were to Pagan, which has more temples per square inch than anything I've ever seen, they're like haystacks at harvest time or something. We just happened to visit that day, too, since Burma didn't advertise such things.

But that coffee lives on in my dreams.


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Cats
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 11:36 AM

Blue Mountain is excellent but for an intense flavour fairtrade from Machu Pichu


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 12:07 PM

Be careful of 'çlaims' re:Jamaican Blue Mountain. The total amount for sale seems to exceed the total amount grown. As of a few years ago, most of it was sold to Japan. You 'might' get some pretty good Jamaican coffee, grown near the Blue Mountain area, and unless you were a real expert, not know the difference.

My favorite for everyday use would be Guatemala Antigua.... but Harar and a Ugandan coffee I had once are great treats for special times.


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 12:14 PM

"Blue Mountain is excellent but for an intense flavour fairtrade from Machu Pichu"

ummm. "Machu Picchu" is nowhere near Jamaica, and I suspect that someone is mixing two famous names in order to market coffee.


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 12:40 PM

Nescafe.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 12:59 PM

My honey likes Folgers


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 01:22 PM

Coffee from the mountain slopes of western Chiapas, Mexico. I spent a few days at one of the plantations there.
I have done before, but again I will recommend the town of Tapachula for a laid-back atmosphere, few tourists and a grand climate. At one corner of the plaza is an excellent place to get fruit 'shakes' (osterizer mix, choice of familiar and unfamiliar fruits)) and enjoy the early evening. A market town, it has everything from a pizzeria to a good French restaurant. Good small hotels, but eat around as you get recommendations.
Argovia with trips to rain forest nearby.

Adjacent Guatemalan coffee has a very similar taste.

Occasionally get Ethiopian for a change.


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 02:24 PM

The truth is I suspect none of us REALLY knows what the WBC is, as few of us have tasted them all, but since Mrrzy has shared a story, so shall I.

I started drinking coffee on a regular basis around my senior year in high school. Often I had it at my friend Ray's house. His great-grandmother was the primary barista (a term not yet in use in Culver City) who used a 12-cup percolator. So, for example, on Monday she would brew the coffee all day. Tuesday she would refill the basket, and replace evaporated water.

On Wednesday you drank coffee...and God help you if you added sugar and/or cream. Nobody can ever since (except in Mexico) make coffee I can't drink.

I'm not sure what they did for coffee during the two perking days, as I only ever saw one percolator there.


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: olddude
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 02:27 PM

Tim Horton ... love the stuff ... my own is the best, it will dissolve the spoon it is so strong


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 02:31 PM

Subjectively the worlds best coffee is something I have access to and can afford.


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 03:23 PM

That, Jack, is a good working definition.


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 03:24 PM

The world's best obviously is a matter of personal preference.


(This was a good thread until someone mentioned Tim Horton's).


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 03:25 PM

Tim Horton's .... Best coffee in Canada?


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 03:58 PM

Coffee is a necessary food, and something that must be available at all times. While consistency is preferred, it's not something to think much about. You make what you've got, and when you drink that you make some more. (Or in our house you turn on the ready pot and prep the one that's just been emptied.)

Because of the amount and regularity of my consumption, a splash of milk (2%) tames the acidity slightly, and I prefer a bit of sugar. I estimated once that 80% of my daily calorie intake is from the milk and sugar, and I have lost a nominal amount of weight "accidentally" once when we ran out of milk and didn't get more for about a week.

In my home YOU DO NOT RUN OUT OF COFFEE.

Since they're not what I'm accustomed to, anything that costs more than $1 per cup (on the road) usually tastes like engine sump sludge, but I've only found one or two instances of anything that was flatly undrinkable. (But then tequila actually tastes just like refiltered No. 8 diesel fuel, but still goes down pretty well - although it's not even remotely close to my preferred JD Black.)

I think I'll have another cup.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 04:14 PM

Every city has fine coffee houses.
In Calgary-
Java Express (actually a very small chain)
De Ville
Caffe Rosso (Single cup brewing; Italian style)
Kawa Espresso
And many others
Also tea shops.


Best coffee in Canada (Chains)-

Best Cup is pretty good. No. 2 has to be Starbucks


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 04:26 PM

In New Orleans- Cafe Du Monde.
Try their French Roast (no chicory). A good strong coffee, but not really premium grade. But their beinets are really what one goes there for.


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 04:43 PM

My favorite bean for home brew- Starbucks Organic Shade Grown Mexico (from western Chiapas). At most outlets or from their Store.


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 06:13 PM

As Josh White used to sing in "Evil-Hearted Man":

Yeh, she even made my breakfast,
And she brought it to my bed;
Well, I took a sip of coffee,
Threw the cup at her head!

Chorus:

Because l'm evil, well, evil-hearted me,
I am so doggone evil, evil as a man can be.


Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 07:34 PM

Starbucks Dark French Roast, blended with 1/4 freetrade Italian (freshly ground) tastes good to me. Second Cup Paridiso Dark blend is nice. Higgins and Burke Dark Impulse is nice.

Tim Hortons is not a really good coffee, but it will do in a pinch. It is better first in the morning. Quite often they fail to clean their quuipment, and late in the day you get a burnt/rancid taste.

I suspect the country of origin, roasting techniques, blending and grade of coffee is quite important.

Your taste buds and exposure to the different flavours are likely just as important in doing a comparison.

I find the commonly found Colombian origin coffee the most over rated.

http://www.coffeeresearch.org/coffee/drywetflavorcharacteristics.htm


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Maryrrf
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 08:46 PM

The world's best coffee? The first cup in the morning, whatever it happens to be. I don't care what kind/brand it is - I have to have it. Coffee is the nectar of the gods!


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 09:12 PM

"Colombian" is generic coffee from there, but there are some good Colombian coffees. They tend to the mild side.
Nariño Supremo, sold by Starbucks, is one.


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 11:33 PM

My late brother used to roast his own: Antigua, Ethiopia, Sumatra, Kona...he roasted damned fine coffee using (are you ready for this?) an air-pop popcorn machine he got at a garage sale. I have some of his roasts upstairs in vacuum packs in the freezer, and I will ration them because there will never be any more.

Otherwise, whatever you're buying me is okay.

I like the chicory blend at Cafe du Monde; I think it goes with the beinets to make a pair that's unbeatable -- especially if you're outside and watching the Mississippi flow by.


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 09:52 AM

In the coffee breaks I shared with my neighbors in the Gurage tribal area of Ethiopia the tradition was to roast the freshly picked beans in a waq, grind them up with a wooden mortar and pestle, and pour them into a crockery pot of boiling water to steep. Then we all got a mugful with a dab of butter and salt...

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Musket
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 10:39 AM

My lad bought me some civet coffee for Xmas. Must say, as espresso it was good, as filter it was excellent.

However, day to day, I have a bean to cup machine and after a couple of years only using Illi espresso beans, the Sainsburys ran out an I had to get their own espresso beans. (Without getting off my arse and looking at a packet I don't know where the beans are actually from) and they are great, as good as the Illi and less than half the price.

So... tried the Tesco equivalent and they were rather bland with a harsh after taste.

Must be getting middle class. Suppose there is medication I can take for it.


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: GUEST,jeff
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 10:46 AM

Eight O'clock Bean Original, fresh ground, boiling water, French Press, 2 minutes, press sieve...add whatever and enjoy. I've found even the generic grocery chain blends taste better w/this process than even the BEST drip grind.

Now, of course the better the coffee brand the better the brew. A friend gave me a bag of Trader Joe's African Arabica that was out of this world. Didn't specify whether it was from Kenya or Ethiopia, but it was the best I've ever had to this point.


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 10:53 AM

Tell us more please Ian, was it different?

I have read two theories as to why it is "the best coffee in the world." The first is that the toddy cats (civets) only eat the most perfect beans, the second that their digestive juices, "mellow" the beans. In your opinion is there any evidence of this?

Is it subjectively better than normal coffee in any way? Richer, smoother, "more robust?"


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Cats
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 11:59 AM

Bill D ~ I know Machu Pichu is nowhere near Jamaica! two different sorts of coffee.. Blue Mountain is excellent [i.e. agreeing with other posts] but for an intense flvour try the fairtrade coffee from Machu Pichu [new suggestion].


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 01:28 PM

A good start is somewhere they don't ask you "single or double" as seems to be the habit in the UK for an espresso!


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 01:30 PM

And where latte is not pronounced "larrrrtayyyyy"!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 02:10 PM

Cats...ok., think you. I was just concerned that there was confusion about two different items.
(merchandisers commonly 'name' stuff after famous stuff in order to sell inferior or different products. You'd be amazed to see how many woods get named 'rosewood' or 'Walnut', when there is no generic connection. It happens in types of tea, as well as coffee)


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 02:14 PM

We have a black walnut tree cut down in our yard. Is it worth anything? what about pecan?


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 03:41 PM

Some of the best 19th century American furniture was made with black walnut. A good hardwood, very desirable.

Pecan being used more and more (see it in furniture advs.), probably because of the pecan nut popularity and a fair number of trees. Other than it is a hardwood, I don't know its characteristics or desirability as furniture wood.


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 03:55 PM

Looked up Machu picchu coffee since it is new to me. In an article about Cuzco, it says it is grown co-op by farmers on 1600 hectares north of Machu Picchu, at 1500-2000 meters above sea level. Only about 2,200 tons are grown. An organically grown coffee, aroma chocolate and nuts.
Have to try some!


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: EBarnacle
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 06:01 PM

Must be as fresh as possible, including freshly ground. All hardware, including the cup, must be immaculate.Chemex [drip] works well. There is no excuse for bad coffee when it is easy to make good coffee.


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 06:02 PM

The name brands for Ethiopian coffee also have become somewhat bizarre. These four were recently reviewed in Consumers Report:

Caribou Ethiopian Finjal Organic
The Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf Ethiopian Yirgacheffe
Peet's Coffee Ethiopian Fancy
Orleans Coffee Exchange Ethiopian Harrar

I never saw a caribou in Ethiopia. At least I never saw one when I was sober.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 06:48 PM

Caribou Coffee is a Chain in Atlanta. That's weird enough.


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Subject: RE: BS: World's Best Coffee?
From: jeffp
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 07:43 PM

There is a Caribou Coffee shop near me. Much better than Starbucks in my estimation.


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