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Subject: BS: Perry's current thread From: Ron Davies Date: 17 Aug 11 - 11:02 PM I think Perry deserves his own thread. There may be quite a bit to say about him over time. What strikes me is that he may well be an extremely potent threat to Obama --and not just for reasons having to do with the poor US economy. If he can make it through the GOP primaries to the nomination without having to renounce the idea of in-state tuition for children of illegal immigrants and still holding to his opposition to the US-Mexico wall, he will have considerable support among Hispanics---an essential bloc for Obama. Supposedly in his last Texas election he got 38% of the Hispanic vote. This is on top of the definite split in the Jewish vote. Perry has been quoted in Israel as saying that Israel was given to the Jewish people long ago and that this is "ordained". This will make him a fiercely strong supporter of Israel. And that will split the US Jewish vote. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: GUEST,Marks(on the road) Date: 17 Aug 11 - 11:20 PM Lets see. For the sake of good form....... Rick Perry Redneck Texan Gun Packin Fundamentalist Racist Bigot Homophobe Chicken and biscuit supper eating Limbaugh listning . . . Everybody else fill in opprobrium of your own. Mark |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: GUEST,TIA Date: 17 Aug 11 - 11:25 PM . . . Corporate reach-around artist . . . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Ron Davies Date: 18 Aug 11 - 12:12 AM Well, Mark, that's quite a few flags. Let's see if anybody salutes any of them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: michaelr Date: 18 Aug 11 - 01:11 AM All anyone needs to know about Perry: Remember the last time a Texas governor got elected? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Jack the Sailor Date: 18 Aug 11 - 01:38 AM Perry weaknesses |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Wesley S Date: 18 Aug 11 - 07:14 AM Marks on the road: As far as your points go - there's nothing wrong with being Texan or eating chicken and biscuts for supper. And everyone needs to listen to Rush from time to time to see what he's got up his sleeve. It's called "know thine enemy". It's wheather or not you buy into what Rush is saying that counts. That's where Perry and I differ. Someone needs to ask Perry about the air quality in Texas and their standing nationwide in education. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Greg F. Date: 18 Aug 11 - 08:18 AM Someone also needs to ask Perry about executing folks for Jesus, too. Praise the Lord, and pass the potassiun chloride. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: curmudgeon Date: 18 Aug 11 - 09:36 AM I'm quite fond of Jim Hightower's analysis of Perry, "He's another George W. Bush, bur without the intelligence or integrity;" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Little Hawk Date: 18 Aug 11 - 12:56 PM He doesn't look that good alongside Chongo. Not to me, anyway. Personally, I think Chongo will make a monkey out of Perry in the debates. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Wesley S Date: 18 Aug 11 - 02:22 PM How classic - A friend of mine in Texas sent me a picture of a pickup truck with Rick Perry's picture on it. Next to his picture is a sign that says "Does this ass make my truck look big?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Linda Goodman Zebooker Date: 19 Aug 11 - 12:21 AM Wednesday, the 4pm news played a clip of Perry saying that Global Warming is just an unproven hoax he wouldn't spend any federal money to study. THE NEXT SENTENCE was a news report that this year's Texas drought is the worst ever, causing 6 Billion Dollars in crop losses to farmers in the state. 'Course if you think praying for rain is the most efficient strategy..... He's also proud of his state's lack of regulation. The air in Texas has been described as "very dirty", as a result. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 19 Aug 11 - 09:03 AM Perry touts his ability as a "job creator" while Texas has the highest percentage of people working for minimum wage of any state in the union. Yeah, he gets 'em workin' alright... for peanuts. Perry holds the concept of the supremacy of federal government in such low regard that he believes a state should have the right to secede from the union because its governor (himself) disagrees with a federal policy. Yet he feels he's qualified to lead that federal government. Isn't that a bit like a scab running for president of a labor union? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Richard Bridge Date: 19 Aug 11 - 10:54 AM It's open warfare isn't it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: saulgoldie Date: 19 Aug 11 - 11:07 AM Correction: According to colbertsuperpac, it is "PArry" That's Parry with an "A". Don't know why so many people keep misspelling it. Saul |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Charley Noble Date: 19 Aug 11 - 12:50 PM No one deserves a governor like Perry, even Texans! So, rather than have Texas secede from the Union Perry now wants to be its President. Donald Trump says he'll really impressed by Perry. So, he's got to have something under his 10-pint hat. Of course if the election is left to the Supreme Court again, guess who will win. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Charley Noble Date: 19 Aug 11 - 12:52 PM Saul- "Perry" or "Parry," I'm not voting for either. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Stringsinger Date: 19 Aug 11 - 01:25 PM Perry is a spokesperson for the Apostolic Reformation Movement, a Dominionist religious organization that wants to turn America into a Christian Theocracy. This is what his "Response" meeting was all about. He and Michelle Bachmann are religious wing-nuts who subscribe to the same ideas, institute "creationism", anti-global warming, harsh immigration policies, anti-choice, and both are at the head of the line for Tea Partiers. http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/152034/meet_the_christian_dominionist_%27prayer_warriors%27_who_have_chosen_rick_perry_as_their |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: BrooklynJay Date: 19 Aug 11 - 01:46 PM I'd sooner vote for Katy Perry. Jay |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Stringsinger Date: 19 Aug 11 - 02:08 PM Perry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: gnu Date: 19 Aug 11 - 02:12 PM Tom... "I'm quite fond of Jim Hightower's analysis of Perry, "He's another George W. Bush, bur without the intelligence or integrity;" " Hahahahahahaa! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: saulgoldie Date: 20 Aug 11 - 07:48 AM gnu, That is rich! Saul |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Greg F. Date: 20 Aug 11 - 09:36 AM Perry a dangerous, ignorant, fundagelical lunatic? You don't know the half of it. Check It Out: Check it Out |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Stringsinger Date: 20 Aug 11 - 11:35 AM It's Rick Perry and the goals of the NAR (New Apostolic Reformation), that's his philosophy, to turn America into a Theocracy through pushing an extremist fanatical agenda into politics through violence if necessary. The mistake made here is to dismiss him as being stupid. That won't work. He has too many deluded followers who believe the way he does. There are those who dismissed Bush in the same way and the country paid the price for it. Take him seriously, he is a danger to our country. Remember the Bush fixed our last election through SCOTUS. It could happen again. B of A, Koch Brothers and others with big money are behind Perry. Citizens United could fix the elections again. His Texas "miracle" has been shown to be a hoax, low paid part time jobs slaving at Walmarts and MacDonalds with Texas' poor larger than Massachussetts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: GUEST,999 Date: 20 Aug 11 - 05:25 PM "I think Perry deserves his own thread." He may end up deserving his own rope . . . . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 20 Aug 11 - 06:24 PM Do not underestimate Perry. He has been elected in Texas, the second-largest state in population, over a ten-year period, and has many supporters outside the state. He is a dangerous man, who should not be regarded as a clown. He could combine the business and evangelical wings in the primaries and at the Republican Convention. The Wikipedia write-up will give you a good picture of his views. Some of his passed legislation, including one requiring ultrasound of the foetus to be shown to women considering abortion, is not only invasive, but scary. He also advocates prayer in schools, advising non-compliance with separation of church and state requirements. He considers the amendment allowing federal taxes a bad idea. Perry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: GUEST,999 Date: 21 Aug 11 - 10:30 AM I agree with you, Q. I was reading up on him and he's all of that. Unless Obama gets his stuff together, Perry will become the next president. Scary thought. Imagine him and his running mate (VP) Bachmann? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Greg F. Date: 21 Aug 11 - 10:59 AM He is a dangerous man, who should not be regarded as a clown. No reason he can't be a dangerous clown, is there? But he ain't half as dangerous as the ignorant morons who believe his bullshit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: olddude Date: 21 Aug 11 - 11:59 AM I will wait for Admiral Perry of the 1812 war to run before I vote for anyone of that name |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Stringsinger Date: 21 Aug 11 - 12:07 PM He is as dangerous as his followers because he can effectively lead them. You can't underestimate the fanaticism of the two-thirds of the American electorate. Bachmann and Perry are extremely dangerous to a democratic society. Remember, they laughed at Bush and Reagan before they came into office. The one that was totally ignored was Hitler, who was actively courted by the Bank of America in the late Thirties. Remember that Perry has executed more prisoners in Texas than any other governor. This is in line with their fundamentalist New Apostolic Reformation views that takes a very authoritarian and punitive view of law and attempts to replace current law with theocracy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 21 Aug 11 - 02:03 PM "Ignorant morons who believe his bullshit"- again showing underestimation of his appeal. Perhaps not 2/3 of the electorate but certainly a majority. Those who want a lean, mean economic policy and cuts in government programs will forget his evangelical fervor and vote to support him. The evangelical right (and many Catholics who are against abortion, against stem cell research and believe in divine creation rather than evolution) will support him. Those who believe that states rights should trump federal guidance will support him. Add those hispanics (mostly Catholic, see above) who believe in legalizing immigrants and an open border, economic as well as political, who will support him. Add those who have lost jobs and don't know which way to turn who will support a change in leadership. His strong support of Israel will bring him many Jewish votes. Put enough of these groups together and you have a strong majority. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Stilly River Sage Date: 21 Aug 11 - 02:22 PM Been out of town so I'll just jump to the bottom and ask if anyone has moaned out loud about the great absence of the wonderful late Molly Ivins in the run-up to this next big political year? She could take these GOP Texas politicians off at the knees and smile the whole time she was doing it. "Governor Goodhair" is Rick Perry. SRS, who alas, still lives in Texas |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: GUEST,999 Date: 21 Aug 11 - 02:29 PM We have Prime Minister Goodhair. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Greg F. Date: 21 Aug 11 - 04:27 PM Perhaps not 2/3 of the electorate but certainly a majority A "majority of the electorate?" in favor of Perry as president? You're hallucinating again, Q. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 21 Aug 11 - 04:45 PM Proof of the pudding will be the Primaries and the Convention. I consider Perry, unfortunately, to be the candidate of the moment. Romney would be my candidate of choice. I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT VOTE FOR PERRY, but he has a lot of suport at this time. I expect Romney and Perry to be the front runners, and others to fall by the wayside. Greg F, I hope my worries about Perry's vote-gathering power are just a hallucination. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Wesley S Date: 21 Aug 11 - 07:52 PM You're right Stilly. Where is Molly now that we really need her? Gone but not forgotten. I could be wrong but I think she was the first person to refer to George W Bush as "Shrub". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Ron Davies Date: 22 Aug 11 - 11:38 PM Early in the thread, "racist" was one of the labels pinned on Perry. When you attack him, you'd best be accurate. Ed Schultz (MSNBC) gave a case study on how not to fight Perry. Perry in a speech spoke of "that big black cloud that hangs over America--that debt that is so monstrous". Schults said "that big black cloud that Perry is talking about is President Barack Obama"--leaving off the last part of Perry's sentence. Yeah, I know Rush et al. do it all the time. But that sort of misleading editing is exactly the sort of thing which will unify conservatives behind Perry. When you attack Perry, you'd best have your facts straight. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Greg F. Date: 23 Aug 11 - 08:53 AM you'd best have your facts straight. Like Tea Potty Perry does, ya mean? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 23 Aug 11 - 01:02 PM Pointing to the "Tea Party" (yesterday's news eye-catcher) sadly underestimates Perry's broad appeal to the business and conservative communities. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: GUEST,999 Date: 23 Aug 11 - 01:57 PM I joke about the winning ticket of Bachmann and Palin, but Q's on the money with his thoughts. Perry is Scary. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Greg F. Date: 23 Aug 11 - 02:15 PM So Q, you think the Tea Potty, the Koch Brothers et. al. have all gone away? You sadly underestimate their influence. Perry is just their lunatic of choice at the moment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Joe Offer Date: 23 Aug 11 - 02:34 PM Texas-based newspaper columnist Molly Ivins (1944-2007) gave George W. Bush a run for his money when Bush was Texas Governor, 1995-2000. Looks like she also did a good job on Rick Perry, who has been Governor of Texas since Bush resigned in December, 2000. Among other names, Ivins called Perry "The Coiffure." Too bad Molly Ivins died before Perry decided to run for President. On August 13, the Sacramento Bee published a collection of column excerpts titled Molly Ivins Can't Say That About Rick Perry, Can She?. The whole article is terrific, but the best is the last section:
First, we Texans would like to salute the only governor we've got, Rick "Goodhair" Perry, the Ken Doll, for vetoing the bill to outlaw executing the mentally retarded. We are Texas Proud. Such a brilliant decision – not only is Texas now globally recognized for barbaric cruelty, but a strong majority of Texans themselves (73 percent) would prefer not to off the retarded. Gov. Goodhair's decision – in the face of popular opinion, the Supreme Court and George W. Bush's recent conversion on this subject – is a testament to his strength of character. Or something. His Perryness announced, anent the veto, that Texas does not execute the retarded. I beg your pardon, Governor. Johnny Paul Penry, now on Death Row for a heart-breaking murder and the subject of two Supreme Court decisions, has an IQ between 51 and 60, believes in Santa Claus and likes coloring books. And that's not counting the other six we know about for sure since 1990. Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/08/13/3834794/molly-cant-say-that-about-rick.html#ixzz1VsUWGabY. Mother Jones Magazine also has a collection of Ivins excerpts about Perry. Here's the one I like best:
Bush was replaced by his exceedingly Lite Guv Rick Perry, who has really good hair. Governor Goodhair, or the Ken Doll (see, all Texans use nicknames—it's not that odd), is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. But the chair of a major House committee says, "Goodhair is much more engaged as governor than Bush was." As the refrain of the country song goes, "O Please, Dear God, Not Another One." Maybe we need a presidential candidate like Rick Perry. He would give the humorists and cartoonists great material. Heaven forbid that he should be elected President, though. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: GUEST,999 Date: 23 Aug 11 - 02:49 PM The troubling thing is she trounced Bush and Bush got elected. Now she's trouncing Perry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Joe Offer Date: 23 Aug 11 - 02:54 PM Well, her recycled words are trouncing Perry. Molly Ivins left us far too soon, in 2007 at the age of 62. Now, the trouble with Barack Obama is that he's just not funny. Humorists had a field day with George W. Bush and Bill Clinton, but how can you laugh at a decent, intelligent guy like Barack Obama. I'm afraid that if Molly Ivins had been alive during the Barack Obama presidency, she would have come up empty. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 23 Aug 11 - 03:57 PM I enjoyed Molly Ivens. Have one of her books somewhere. However, she had little influence on the broad electorate. I would guess the Kochs will support Perry. But the maximum entrepreneurs are not his strength. The so-called Tea Party is not a 'party', but a large number of middle and upper class Americans who are angry about the economy and the policies of the government, which they believe are not in their interest. Koch brothers may be one end of the spectrum, but that unemployed clerk and factory worker are the other end. Anger and unemployment may well propel a man like Perry into the White House. The thinking is irrational, but understandable as the U.S. flounders as it fails to come to grips with the fact that this is the Asian century. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Greg F. Date: 23 Aug 11 - 03:57 PM There is not the least thing funny about Perry. Frightening? Yes. Sickening? Yes. Revolting? Yes. Disgusting? Yes. Amusing? Not on your life. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: GUEST,999 Date: 23 Aug 11 - 04:42 PM Yeah, Joe, SRS said that up thread. (Before this thread I'd never heard of her.) The lady's right, however, even though she's gone. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 26 Aug 11 - 04:47 PM New York Times, OP-Ed column by David Brooks, Aug. 25, 2011. "President Rick Perry?" "....a slew of polls showing Gov. Rick Perry of Texas surging to double-digit national leads. He leads across demographic groups- among educated Republicans and less-educated ones, among upscale and downscale. Most impressive, he's winning over the Republican activists who pay the closest attention and wield dis preportionate influence with primary voters." A survey of these activists shows 46% for Perry and only 20% for Romney. "The evidence suggests that Perry's appeal will not be a summer fad. He's benefitting from several of the trends that have fundamentally altered the Republican electorate." "Republicans now have an 11-point advantage with ...young voters" according to a PEW Research Poll. "He and Obama are neck-and-neck in a recent Gallup poll." "Romney might be able to beat back the Perry surge. In the meantime, it's time to take Perry seriously. He could be our next president." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Greg F. Date: 26 Aug 11 - 05:11 PM it's time to take Perry seriously. He could be our next president." Scotland, here we come. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Nigel Parsons Date: 26 Aug 11 - 08:20 PM Sorry, from a UK perspective: "Perry's new thread" Is that: A. Como? B. Mason? C. Pear cider? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 26 Aug 11 - 08:52 PM From a U.S. perspective, is premier Cameron "one of the Cameron Men" in the song, "March of the Cameron Men," "who never can yield"? or a cross-dressing Cameron Diaz? Or the manufacturer of hot air balloons? Nigel, go drown yourself in Loch Ness- or tussle with the monster. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Nigel Parsons Date: 26 Aug 11 - 10:00 PM Sorry, Q. I would have to cross two national borders to do that (unless I went by sea!) I'm in Wales. Loch Ness is in Scotland: England/Wales/Scotland Cheers |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Stringsinger Date: 27 Aug 11 - 12:51 PM "The so-called Tea Party is not a 'party', but a large number of middle and upper class Americans who are angry about the economy and the policies of the government, which they believe are not in their interest." That's not all. Their large percentage is comprised of religious fundamentalists who support Perry's "End Times game" and "dominionist theology". They want to replace the Constitution with the Ten Commandments. Perry has proclaimed that Texas supports "creationism" as well as evolution in the Texas school system. You can look forward to his attempt to do that on a national scale. When you have a religious ideological motivation, this trumps anger about the economy and wonkish government policies. There are fanatics out there who would rather see the US government go down in flames then compromise their "faith". They are called the Tea Party. They think Obama is the anti-Christ. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: GUEST,999 Date: 27 Aug 11 - 01:36 PM IMO, Q nailed it in one with his views. (OK, so he's gonna vote Republican if he can, but he knows whereof he speaks.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Stringsinger Date: 27 Aug 11 - 04:59 PM Joe, if Perry gets in, you won't be laughing. He is not funny. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Stringsinger Date: 27 Aug 11 - 05:40 PM Here's an interesting development about Mr. Ignorant Perry, Dawkins destroys Perry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 27 Aug 11 - 06:25 PM An interesting article on Texas, employment and Perry in the Christian Science Monitor- "Rick Perry's 'Texas Miracle': A Demographic Quirk?" http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/President/2011/0826/Rick-Perry-s-Texas-miracle-a-demographic-quirk Another article in the CSMonitor- "Latest Poll: Is Rick Perry now a shoo-in?" Polls show Ron Paul in third place (Perry, Romney, Paul). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Stringsinger Date: 28 Aug 11 - 10:52 AM How about titling that Christian Science Monitor to read: "Rick Perry's 'Texas Miracle': A Demographic Fraud?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 28 Aug 11 - 03:26 PM Nigel, looks like some overly pc gnome cut off my reply and your re-reply; 'tain't fun no more around here. (I still think Cameron called for a few comparisons a la Perry (yours still posted- is one of the gnomes sweet on you?) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Wesley S Date: 14 Sep 11 - 03:56 PM Copied from www.texastribune.org On the Records: Perry Understated Merck Money by Ryan Murphy 9/13/2011 During the CNN/Tea Party debate Monday night, U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota seized the opportunity to point out the connection between Gov. Rick Perry and the drug company Merck, which makes Gardasil, the vaccine that Perry's 2007 executive order would have mandated for Texas pre-teen girls. Turns out estimates during the debate of how much Perry took from Merck were on the low side. Bachmann tied the executive order to Merck and Perry's former chief of staff Mike Toomey, who had lobbied for Merck in Texas, calling it "flat-out wrong" that a drug company gave "thousands of dollars" to Perry. Perry confirmed a $5,000 campaign contribution from Merck, and defended it, saying he was offended at the suggestion that he could be bought for such a small amount when he had raised about $30 million. According to a Tribune analysis of campaign finance data received from the Texas Ethics Commission, Perry underestimated. In the past 10 years, he has received $29,500 from Merck PAC, the political action committee for Merck employees, nearly six times more than Perry acknowledged on stage. During the 2002 gubernatorial campaign, Merck PAC contributed $6,000 to Texans for Rick Perry. During the 2006 campaign — just before Perry issued his Gardasil order — Perry received another $16,000. And in the most recent campaign, Perry's PAC got $7,500. To view each contribution from Merck PAC, use the table below. To take a closer look at who has financed Perry from 2000-2011 and search for yourself, visit the Tribune's searchable Perry campaign donor database. Contributions from Merck PAC to Texans for Rick Perry, 2000-2011 Donor Donation Location Contribution Date Merck PAC $1,000 Washington, DC 11/2/00 Merck PAC $5,000 Washington, DC 9/18/02 Merck PAC $10,000 Washington, DC 10/18/04 Merck PAC $1,000 Washington, DC 12/30/05 Merck PAC $5,000 Washington, DC 10/16/06 Merck PAC $2,500 Washington, DC 10/14/08 Merck PAC $5,000 Washington, DC 10/29/10 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: pdq Date: 14 Sep 11 - 05:00 PM Rick Perry made a tough decision and his enemies are taking advantage of the issue and are trying to destroy him with it. Mexico just approved the requirement for this same anti-virus shot. Many States are considering it. Here is what a leading cancer expert has to say... Updated Sept. 14: The American Academy of Pediatrics issued a statement Wednesday "to correct false statements made in the Republican presidential campaign that HPV vaccine is dangerous and can cause mental retardation. There is absolutely no scientific validity to this statement. Since the vaccine has been introduced, more than 35 million doses have been administered, and it has an excellent safety record." Gov. Rick Perry's 2007 attempt to require that girls in Texas be vaccinated against the cancer-causing human papillomavirus, commonly known as HPV, has become a political hot potato. But Dr. Ronald DePinho, the new president of MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, says the vaccine is not just sound but "one of the great scientific advances in the history of medicine." In last night's GOP presidential debate, Perry faced repeated criticism from other candidates for his HPV push. Michele Bachmann said it was "flat out wrong" to require that "innocent little 12-year-old girls be forced to have a government injection through an executive order." Part of Bachmann's critique was that Perry's executive order, which he now says he would handle differently, was the byproduct of cronyism. Perry's former chief of staff, Mike Toomey, was a lobbyist for the drug company Merck, maker of the vaccine, at the time. In interviews following the debate, Bachmann reportedly went even further, suggesting that the vaccine was a "a very dangerous drug" and could cause "mental retardation." But today, in an interview with the Tribune, DePinho said that as a physician, and the president of a leading cancer research institution and as a father of two young girls, "there's only one path here, which is to support vaccination." "To do anything else would be unethical," DePinho said. His recommendation for anyone who opposes the vaccine: "Visit one patient with cervical cancer in an advanced state." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: dick greenhaus Date: 14 Sep 11 - 06:50 PM The liberals don't like the fact that Perry is in Merck's pocket; THe Tea Party hates his actions as a prime example of governmental interference with parent's rights (did I here somwone say "socialzed medicine?) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Ron Davies Date: 14 Sep 11 - 10:42 PM It seems Perry continues his charmed life as a politician. We may think Perry's financial ties to Merck are a big deal. But unfortunately this comes out at the same time as the Solyndra bankkruptcy.. And for the huge majority of the electorate, the loss of about $535 million in taxpayer funds may just possibly outweigh the somewhat smaller figure involved in Perry's maneuvering of the vaccine. I was also very interested to listen to the head of the Cincinnati tea party ( didn't even know Cincinnati had a Tea Party.) Though many may think Perry lost the recent GOP debate and that Romney was one of the winners, according to the Cincinnati Tea Party man, after the debate Romney had even less support than before. Reason: he said the right things, but based on his track record, hardly anybody believes he will follow through. Added to which,Tea Party people are looking for somebody who will carry the fight to Obama. More and more, they think Perry, not Romney, is that man. And the Tea Party--which is where the passion is--will carry outsized weight in GOP primaries. Just as the anti-Iraq war group did in Democratic primaries in 2008. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Ron Davies Date: 14 Sep 11 - 11:02 PM By the way, pdq, what do you think of Perry's stance on illegal immigration--especially giving children of illegal immigrants in-state rates at Texas universities, and calling the US-Mexico wall a waste of funds? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: dick greenhaus Date: 15 Sep 11 - 12:16 AM More to the point, what do you think of Huntsman's response that the statement was treasonous? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: beeliner Date: 15 Sep 11 - 04:49 AM As an American voter, I've enjoyed and appreciated the sentiments expressed in this thread. I would only add a few brief comments: 1. It all depends on the economy. If it improves significantly during the next year, the president will be hailed as a hero and will be unbeatable in 2012. 2. I became convinced a long time ago that "Christian Dominionism" is little more than an attempt to sell books to the gullible. The US constitution is exclusive to any such system of government. We have had three fundamentalist Protestant presidents since FDR, Truman, Carter, and Clinton, and no threat to America's religious - or non-religious - neutrality was seen. To use a baseball analogy, to score a run, you first have to reach first base, and to reach first base, you first have to get the first thousandth of an inch down the first base line. "Dominionism" has not done so nor will it any time in the foreseeeable future. 3. The candidate most likely able to beat Obama on the issues is Huntsman, whose chances of being nominated are slight. 4. Americans do not like extremists. If America should somehow veer toward the right, it will almost immediatelty begin veering, or at least wandering, back toward the left. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Donuel Date: 15 Sep 11 - 02:03 PM I made a bumper sticker for him and his opponent last week/ Perry 2012 The Great Right Hope. Obama 2012 There is more change in your couch. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Donuel Date: 15 Sep 11 - 02:19 PM $5,000 ? I'm offended too. If you added all the money Rick's advisor has made as a recent employee of Merck and both Perry super pacs and the Texas Rep. pac, the amount of money that flowed from Merck to Perry campaigns and "newly hired" Perry lobbyist's salary and bonus', the amount of money is closer to ~ $950,000.00 Now that is a number that Perry would not be offended by. (even if his advisor doesn't kick back.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Don Firth Date: 15 Sep 11 - 03:14 PM Another voice weighs in. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Ron Davies Date: 15 Sep 11 - 08:26 PM What's interesting about the $5,000 is that it indicates clearly that Perry cannot think on his feet. He had prepared for the question about the vaccine--but only from the angle of forcing girls to have the vaccine, not from the crony capitalism approach. So his answer was feeble. It leaves him wide open to the old gibe: "You can't be bought for $5,000? OK, we've established what you are, we're just haggling over the price." He had to say: "I'm not for sale at any price." He blew it. But the question is what difference it makes--for the reason I cited: Tea Party supporters are looking for somebody who will aggressively pursue Obama. Romney will have his hands full trying to establish that he stands for anything. So that leaves Perry--if his heresy on immigration issues can be accepted by the Right. My guess is that it can---and if so, as I indicated in the OP, that will pay dividends in the general election. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Bobert Date: 15 Sep 11 - 08:31 PM Perry can't think, period... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 16 Sep 11 - 08:04 PM ""Perry can't think, period.."" Unfortunately, in 2000 and 2004, that proved to be no bar to the presidency. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Bobert Date: 16 Sep 11 - 08:22 PM Not to fear, Don... The last presidential candidate who went on record of trying to shred Social Security was Barry Goldwater in '64 and we know how that turned out... You notice that Bush waited until the 2nd term to take on Social Security... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Stringsinger Date: 17 Sep 11 - 02:52 PM The problem Americans are faced with is that the majority of them today are not policy wonks but evaluate their candidates on a prejudicial or emotional level and how they are perceived as "images". The gun-toting rebel is reinforced by cowboy movies elevating John Wayne as a "saviour" and this perception could go a long way to Perry's election. Obama, by contrast, must assert himself otherwise Americans will think he's a "wimp". Politics today will be a metaphorical shoot-out at the O.K. Corral. The country's division is manufactured by the corporate media and they are skillful at controlling the prejudices and image making. They devised the whole idea of red and blue states since the news media relies on conflict to sell their product. Americans, by in large, have no time for the subtlety of substantial issues and rely on a larger than life personality for them to elect. This is undoubtably why Obama and Reagan were so successful. Obama may be confused on this point as he tends toward "wonkiness". Obama could be successful if he invoked MLK's history of Civil Rights, a stand for the working class, unions, (as did MLK) and eliminated the equivocation that he has come to represent. It's time for him to go after the GOP tooth and nail otherwise it's all over for him. I'm not optimistic here. Wall Street is not crying all the way to the bank, however. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: GUEST,Ebbie Date: 17 Sep 11 - 03:55 PM To my mind it is so early in the presidential campaign that I pay little attention to who is up and who is down at any given moment. Not long ago some Mudcatters were saying things to the effect of 'So and so is going to do so and so and thus will so and so- after all, who else is there?' To my mind that was premature- as is any conjecturing at this point. Romney, Perry, Bachmann, Huntsman, et al, may well still be in the running six months from now but there undoubtedly will be another one or two who spring up from 'nowhere' and have everyone in a twitter. Ever hear of a 'dark horse'? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 17 Sep 11 - 05:43 PM I vaguely recall making a prediction a while back. Don't remember who or what. Premature and immature. Dark horse- thinking of joining the race? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Ron Davies Date: 23 Sep 11 - 07:58 AM Perry was ridiculed earlier on Mudcat for courting the Hispanic vote clumsily, but last night he proved he is still willing to stand up for Hispanics in one crucial area: in-state tuition rates for children of illegal immigrants. As I noted in the OP, if he holds to this and his opposition to the US-Mexico wall, and still winds up the GOP 2012 nominee, he will be particularly formidable since he will split the Hispanic vote--especially since in many social issues some Hispanics are quite conservative. He's already going to split the Jewish vote with his strong stance in favor of Israel's current policies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Stringsinger Date: 23 Sep 11 - 05:13 PM The GOP will bury Scary Perry since he crashed and burned at the last Florida GOP debate. Looks like that "infidel" Romney will be the front runner. They can't win with Perry who didn't hold his own against Romney. Who will the big money support, Wall Street Romney or Cowboy Perry? Christie might be a dark horse, a fairly large one at that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Ron Davies Date: 24 Sep 11 - 04:07 PM We'll see. Depends on how many people care what happens at debates and how many want someone to go aggressively after Obama. Perry has established that he has strong beliefs. Romney still has his hands full, as I noted earlier, trying to establish that he stands for something--anything at all. His main problem, as I said earlier, is that even when he says the "right things" from the Tea Party's perspective--which is where the passion lies---they don't believe him since he has switched positions so often on so many issues. And as I also pointed out: Perry has passionate support--whether or not you agree with his stands. Please tell us about Romney's passionate supporters--if you can find any. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Greg F. Date: 24 Sep 11 - 06:24 PM Perry has established that he has strong beliefs. And every one of 'em on the lunatic fringe. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Ron Davies Date: 25 Sep 11 - 02:01 PM Wrong. His view on the US-Mexico wall and that on letting children of illegal immigrants pay in-state tuition rates in Texas are not on the lunatic fringe. As I have noted more than once just on this thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Greg F. Date: 25 Sep 11 - 03:46 PM Yup, they're on the Hispanic vote-getting fringe - and its only talk. Should he get elected - perish the thought- he'll about-face so fast yer head'll spin. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Ron Davies Date: 25 Sep 11 - 04:14 PM If it were only talk, he would have backed away from these stands in the GOP debates. That would have been the obvious thing to do to get the GOP nomination. Instead, he is being pilloried for them by the rabid anti-immigrant Right. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Greg F. Date: 25 Sep 11 - 06:37 PM He's gambling that should he be nominated the potential gain in the Hispanic and Independent vote will offset the loss in the Rabid Republican vote. He's a lunatic, but he's not stupid. But time will tell, Ron, time will tell. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Perry's current thread From: Ron Davies Date: 25 Sep 11 - 08:02 PM He's gambling he can survive the attacks of the rabid Right and still get the GOP nomination. This is quite a gamble. If he wins it, he will split the Hispanic vote, as I indicated in the OP. And of course he will also split the Jewish vote for other reasons. But both are major blocs for any Democrat---so it would make Perry a very serious threat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rick Perry's current thread From: Wesley S Date: 02 Oct 11 - 05:40 PM Perry's "Camp Niggerhead" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Rick Perry's current thread From: Bobert Date: 02 Oct 11 - 07:14 PM Rick who??? B~ |
