BS: Who will run with Romney?

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Apr 12 - 09:23 AM

Yeah. That's the problem, allright. I follow your point, BigDaddy.

Well...sadly enough, I don't see that there is any realistic alternative come election time. Not in an American election. If I was there, I'd probably vote for the Democrats...I guess...but if I was there, I'd also be thinking very seriously of moving to another country.

But that's easier for me to say, because I wasn't born in the USA. So I don't feel the same sense of deep connection to being there as someone would who was born there.

I agree that the Republicans are usually scarier than the Democrats. But I feel sort of like this about it...in an American election the public loses no matter which party they elect. It's set up that way with those 2 parties. Heads they win, tails you lose. The 2 parties have a quite different outer style, and they are backed by quite different sets of people ideologically...and I am far more in accord with the sets of people who normally back the Democrats. The trouble is, those same people usually get betrayed by the damn party as soon as they've elected it...because once in power it enacts right wing domestic legislation and pursues a rightwing agenda in foreign affairs too. That tells me that it's really controlled by the same corporates who control the Republicans, and that your elections are a "bait and switch" game to keep the public guessing while a rightwing corporate agenda goes inevitably ahead regardless.

Why is this? Because the few very richest people in society run the system, and a rightwing agenda makes them all richer! And they run both parties. And they pick the candidates who are going to run for both parties, right from the start of the process, and use their mass media propaganda to make it happen that way.

The same thing basically happens in Canada and the UK too. And in other places. The British liberals and left, for example, were utterly betrayed by Tony Blair after they elected him!

What the hell can the public do in a situation like that?

You tell me. I have no solution to such a situation, other than to continue living my own private life in the best way I can manage.

I don't talk about it because I imagine I have a solution. I simply talk about it because it deeply concerns me, and I wish to speak my mind about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Elmore
Date: 15 Apr 12 - 09:36 AM

Moroni

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 15 Apr 12 - 01:14 PM

Maybe Romney should pick a dog as a Vice-Presidential running mate, shore up his support among dog owners. Some of them are evidently still concerned about his treatment of his old Irish setter Seamus way back in 1983.

Can't you see the campaign slogan "Vote for Romney and the Big Bow-Wow." But someone would probably bitch about that as well...

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Apr 12 - 09:16 PM

I should add, BigDaddy, that what I mean is...I see no short range solution. Over 200 million Americans would have to radically change a lot of their basic beliefs about economics and government before a short range solution could possibly be found.

There are always longterm solutions to major social and political problems, but they can take decades to unfold.

The Neocon/Neoliberal philosophy whose basic tenets are dismantling the public sphere, privatizing everything, waging corporate wars, gutting public services, moving First World jobs to any country with the cheapest labour, destroying unions, removing trade protections for domestic industry (which they call establishing "Free Trade"), and giving the biggest international banks the power to create vast amounts of public debt that render all governments helpless servants of those banks........

...those are ultimately insane policies which lead to wordwide disaster. They enrich a very tiny elite while impoverishing entire populations almost everywhere. They cause wars and financial meltdowns. They cause millions to lose their job security and their public services and their civil rights.

Being insane as well as criminal, this Neocon/Neoliberal philosophy that has been pushed by Milton Friedman and his followers in government in the past 50 years is bound to sew the seeds of its own eventual demise. Whether that demise will occur as a result of war....or a financial collapse...or a revolution (either peaceful or violent)....or a gradual rejection of the whole thing by millions of people worldwide waking up to what is happening...I don't know. I very much doubt that the process will complete itself during our lifetimes.

But yes, a solution will certainly be found, because the present corrupt philosophy that is dominating in world governments and finance cannot survive its own insanity in the longrun. And it will fail. And it will be rejected by the public. And something else will replace it. Time herself will provide the solution, as society, one way or another, shakes off the chains of debt and moral corruption and wars of choice by large powers that it is presently wearing...in the false and totally misleading garb of establishing "free markets" and "democracy" (this latter claim an outright lie!)...by robbing and impoverishing just about everyone except those few at the very top of the financial feeding chain.

Like Rome, this lunatic world financial empire will fall. The question is...when? And how?

Don't expect any of your present political parties to get you there, because they are its handmaidens.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Elmore
Date: 15 Apr 12 - 09:38 PM

Ann Romney

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Apr 12 - 11:37 PM

The Shock Doctrine
Paperback: 720 pages
Publisher: Picador; 1st edition (June 24, 2008)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 0312427999
ISBN-13: 978-0312427993

So your most recent
source is june 2008? seven months before the current president. the one you are moaning about, took office?

Is this more of you "Chongo" nonsense, disguised as conversation?

"Obama said he'd remove American troops from Iraq. He meant government troops. He never made a peep about removing the American mercenaries from Iraq, and there are a huge number of them there, and they are well-armed. It's an unofficial occupation force, accomplished by privatized corporate mercenaries."

Why don't you back up your bullshit or stick to your fantasy??

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Elmore
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 01:29 AM

Danny Ainge

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 02:50 AM

I don't bother answering belligerent, hostile, insulting questions from individuals who are completely unwilling to show any respect or goodwill to those with whom they disagree on some political or religious or other matter. If you can't control your own temper or rise above having such a vicious attitude toward people you disagree with, why should I talk to you? Would I approach a snarling dog to talk to it?

That's why I usually don't bother to respond to your hostile posts.

I do recommend you read the book, though. It has to do with a political/financial system that long preceded George W. Bush, matter of fact, it basically got started in the early 1960s. It's what is termed a plutocracy or an oligarchy. Some of its really notable disciples have been Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, and some of the key people appointed under Obama too (specially those dealing with finance, such as Secretary of the Treasury, Timothy Geithner).

It easily outlasted George W. Bush, it is still in control of the overall USA agenda, the CFR, the IMF, the UK, Canada, Israel, and the World Bank, and it will very likely considerably outlast Obama and whatever figurehead follows him too. Obama is not the problem. That overall coporatist political/financial system and philosophy is the problem. Obama's just a temporary marketable face that's been pasted on it like one of those "happy face" stickers, because a new face always gives the common people some hope in desperate times. That's what Bush was too, just a temporary face, but he wasn't nearly as cuddly or likable a face as Obama, that's for sure. (At least not if you're not a Republican! Some of them thought he was the next thing to God.) Once Obama can no longer be marketed effectively or has simply finished his 2nd term, then they'll stick some other face on their system with another bogus election, to again give people some false hopes. We'll have to wait a bit to see which face it turns out to be. I have no confidence in any face they pick, because if he (or she) gets that far as to be elected president, then he or she has already sold out to the corporates a long time ago.

A plutocracy doesn't really care which new face they market to you...as long as they can get you to buy it for a few more years. They market 2 faces to you at election time. The public picks one of those two, because there IS no one else to pick. Heads they win, tails you lose. Tails they win, heads you lose. Either way, they win. And they have most of the money. So they can do that marketing very effectively indeed. Money is power. Media coverage is the message. And the media are about 98% controlled and subservient now...they've been "embedded" (with a few minor exceptions here and there, because it isn't yet possible to shut up absolutely everyone in the media who dares to break ranks and speak the unspeakable....). What is the unspeakable in a plutocracy? The unspeakable is the truth...the truth about invasion, murder, fraud, torture, neocolonialism, lies, dictatorship, and ruthless empire building for the benefit of the wealthy few.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 02:59 AM

Does this help?

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Elmore
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 09:54 AM

Mike Lee

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 10:42 AM

It is well to beware of ALL sweeping generalizations about what "they" do to keep power and impose "their" system on all of "us". The implication is that Obama and others are perfectly aware they are being "used" by the 'plutocracy', but shrug about it.

If you can't see a major difference in the various approaches to governing, even when needed changes are slow in coming, I suspect it is beyond MY ability to type enough words to convince you.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 10:56 AM

Selfishness, personal ambition, greed and indifference will run with Romney.
Ryan might be a good choice for that.

We need a candidate that cares about working people, working women, not gun toting GOPlers who "stand their ground" with the NRA and distort the Second Amendment. We need a candidate that will respect government to protect the public from unscrupulous businessmen. We need a government that will protect the public from Libertarians who think only of their own needs and not the needs of the hurting public.

We need a nourishing candidate who will fight for human rights, not tying dogs to cars or dressage horses in place of human needs.

We need a candidate that will not blow with corporate winds.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Elmore
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 11:01 AM

Orrin Hatch

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 11:04 AM

We need a candidate that doesn't espouse jingoistic jargon and attempt to hijack
important issues such as job creation. Jobs do not come from austerity programs.
Jobs come from generosity not constipated views of corporations.

We need a candidate who cares about the health of all Americans, not just the privileged few.

We need a candidate who will bring back the jobs that have been outsourced by greedy corporations.

GOP diarrhea and propaganda will run with Romney.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 11:08 AM

You've got to bear in mind that Obama is vulnerable as a black man in an important position and is walking on eggshells.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 11:27 AM

I should have thought that anybody with a working brain cell would be running away from him.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 11:48 AM

"I don't bother answering belligerent, hostile, insulting questions from individuals who are completely unwilling to show any respect or goodwill to those with whom they disagree on some political or religious or other matter. If you can't control your own temper or rise above having such a vicious attitude toward people you disagree with, why should I talk to you? Would I approach a snarling dog to talk to it?"

I am familiar with the book "Shock Doctrine." There is nothing in it that says that the current President has replaced the troops that were withdrawn from Iraq with mercenaries. That was libelous bullshit on your part. Libelous bullshit that is far too common. There is nothing in what Akenoten posted that confirms your wild accusation. I repeat the question. If OBAMA has replaced 120,000 fighting men and women withdrawn from Iraq with mercenaries, how many mercenaries are there and how many have duties other than guarding embassy personel and property?

You are the barking dog of this forum. A little yipping toy dog arf arf arfing at the foot of every conversation about certain topics. Too busy talking to educate on current US politics, you simply ASSUME that the graphs drawn your mind from the dribs and drabs of paranoid screeds that you have glanced at over the course of your life have continued apace. You have no evidence. You have given this no real thought. You just bark.

You are mocking adult conversations with your childish antics. Your "Chongo" writings are just another example of this mockery. You insult the members you talk to and this whole forum when you pretend to engage in conversation, when you pretend that you have the first clue what you are talking about. But mockery is your only purpose, disruption your only goal.

I knew you couldn't respond to my very reasonable question as to the numbers of mercenaries and their duties. I knew that you would find an excuse to evade the question. That is what bullshitters who get caught do.

Be warned. I know what you are doing, so does most of the forum.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 12:16 PM

Heard him described on the radio the other day as, "The Mormonator"

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 01:00 PM

Maybe he could call in Dan Quayle...

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 01:17 PM

Every time I hear Dan Quayle's name I want to buy a vowel.

(Done by some comedian years back.)

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 01:36 PM

The recent history of vice presidents has been one of picking assassin deterrents.

I can see in my minds eye dozens of would be killers with a Bush or Obama in their sights lowering their guns and walking away when they realized that their action would only put a Quayle or Cheney or Biden in the White House.

It is like the old joke about the two men running from the bear. One guy says, we can't outrun a bear. The other guy says, I just have to outrun you.

I know what you are all thinking "what about Al Gore?" Gore was TOO much like Clinton, except that he was less entertaining.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Elmore
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 04:00 PM

Allen West.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 07:43 PM

Yes, Allen West would balance the Republican ticket nicely, and elevate the national debate. Pond scum still rises to the top, doesn't it?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 07:49 PM

Adam West would be better.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Elmore
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 07:50 PM

the donald

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: GUEST,Marks (on the road)
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 07:57 PM

Allen West as pond scum?
That's a bit of a stretch.
Care to elaborate?
Mark

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Elmore
Date: 17 Apr 12 - 09:28 AM

Tom Coburn

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Apr 12 - 05:01 PM

I believe back in the first part of the 19th century you could have the same running mate attached to several presidential candidates. Might be entertaining if they brought that one back.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 17 Apr 12 - 05:40 PM

Guest Marks-

You may have been on the road too long. Here are Rep. Allen West's recent comments about the Progressive Caucus in Washington:

Rep. Allen West (R-Fla) gave a characteristically energetic speech at a town hall event Tuesday evening, where he estimated that around 80 U.S. Representatives are Communist Party members.

After one person asked him about "card-carrying" Marxists in Congress, West responded to those who brushed aside the query.

"No, it's a good question," he said, adding: "I believe there is about 78 to 81 members of the Democratic Party that are members of the Communist Party."

West is way over the top, and would certainly reinforce Romney's appeal to the far right extremists.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Elmore
Date: 17 Apr 12 - 08:09 PM

Eric Cantor

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 17 Apr 12 - 09:33 PM

Fred Phelps

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: MarkS
Date: 17 Apr 12 - 09:50 PM

Thanks Charlie

I found the source and even though Rep Wests comments in context were not quite as outrageous as reported, they still hit the top of the scale on the dumbometer.

And you are right - I probably have been on the road too long!


Mark

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Elmore
Date: 18 Apr 12 - 09:32 AM

Rand Paul

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Apr 12 - 03:17 PM

In what context could "I believe there is about 78 to 81 members of the Democratic Party that are members of the Communist Party" be other than "outrageous"?

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Apr 12 - 04:53 PM

An insult to Commies everywhere   :0(

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Apr 12 - 06:00 PM

I read Naomi Klein's "The Shock Doctrine" a few years ago, after hearing her being interviewed on my local NPR affiliate. A lot of good points, but she did get the wrong end of the stick on a number of issues.

I heard a good quote this morning. Can't remember who it's attributed to:

"Cynicism is a luxury indulged in by people who don't want to get involved."

Don Firth   Dante

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: MarkS
Date: 18 Apr 12 - 07:07 PM

Hi McGrath

I reset my cookie. Still on the road though!

The source I found had West saying that he had "heard" that xxx to xxx members etc.

Outrageous - Gawd yes. I just think repeating stupidity is not quite as bad as advocating stupidity.

And anybody in the public eye should be smart enough to make sure the brain is in gear before releasing the clutch on the mouth.

Mark

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Apr 12 - 07:22 PM

Don't get me wrong. Naomi Klein is one very bright woman, and she pretty well knows what's going on in the world. Among other things, she is a regular columnist in The Nation magazine, and I read her regularly.

Rethinking it, I'm not all that sure that she really did get the wrong end of the stick. I think some of her readers did, though.

Example:   once again, Little Hawk fastens on the idea that all our political leaders, and we as well, are being manipulated like puppets. And, I think, like a fundamentalist Christian combing through the Bible and cherry-picking verses to support what he believes he believes, there are those who will read what Naomi Klein wrote in "The Shock Doctrine," conclude (yet again!) that "the fix is in," and that nothing can be done about it.

If Naomi Klein truly believed that, she probably wouldn't have bothered to write the book.

The book WAS written a few years ago. One should really keep up with what she's been writing lately.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Elmore
Date: 18 Apr 12 - 07:22 PM

Ted Nugent

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Apr 12 - 03:34 AM

As far as cynicism is concerned, I seen nothing wrong in Little Hawk or others presenting the world as it is, to this forum.

Surely the really cynical, are those who being in posession of these facts, still promote the idea that the system can somehow be repaired?

It is not only the economic and social system which has become corrupt and redundant, but the huge swathe of people who are "converted" to the religion of money.....and the belief that it is a problem solver, when we can all see the problems that it creates.

Competition in life or sport is never fair, and we are about to be exploited by the powerful, just as we have always exploited the weak.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Apr 12 - 03:40 AM

Politics is NEVER about right and wrong, always about bolstering power.

Until we learn that lesson things will never change.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 19 Apr 12 - 07:52 AM

Condoleezza Rice but her first name is too long. Mitt will feel insecure.

But "Mitt and Con" would sound wicked sharp.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: skarpi
Date: 19 Apr 12 - 07:55 AM

well I can run with , 5 miles ...no problem .....

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Elmore
Date: 19 Apr 12 - 09:47 AM

Jim DeMint

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Elmore
Date: 20 Apr 12 - 01:34 AM

Karl Rove

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Elmore
Date: 20 Apr 12 - 07:40 PM

Scott Walker

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Elmore
Date: 21 Apr 12 - 11:50 AM

Jeff Sessions

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Apr 12 - 11:59 AM

Ohh..Elmore.... stop... you're scaring me!

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Apr 12 - 12:00 PM

No... wait...I see the point.

Bobby Jindal

Subject: RE: BS: Who will run with Romney?
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Apr 12 - 12:11 PM

Jeb Bush suggests Marco Rubio. If not himself.