BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Apr 12 - 11:52 PM

Don,
   You are the first person to say they couldn't understand the lyrics to that song...that being said, the song originally was done 'barefoot'(no sound processing). In the mix-down on THAT version, it was run through a TRUE stereo chorus, which split the signal, and with a VERY slight delay, from right to left(or the other way around...almost like politics, grin)...some of the fidelity or clarity was lost, but it never seemed like that much. I'm going to review it, now that you brought it up.
"Bittersuite:Joy" (the long one), also has a version, with percussion(Timpani's mostly toward in the last 'movement') and Orchestra Crash Cymbals, French Horns, and a brass section. What you heard was from an 'open mike', with just me. The fun part of it was, that, as you know, a lot of 'open mikes', guys are up there with acoustic guitars, harmonicas, sometimes a flautist...and stuff like that. When the keyboards were being carried up, and set up, most people ASS-umed they were going to hear, either blues, a Hammond B-3, or something 'honky-honky'....and what they heard, through a Mackie board, with 4200 watts, in stereo, blew their shit away!!..LOVED IT!!! another standing 'O', with tears running down a lot of their cheeks. As a player, who could ask for more?...and subsequent gigs, unless I got those two things, I thought I fucked up!..(only happened once..but it was all I needed, to FOCUS more into the nano-second of every emotion, in every note.
Anyway, Thank you again...and I'm going to be going through it, AGAIN, with a 'fine tooth comb'!

Bobert, Yes, that was me....I've got some jazz and blues, completely different, and some film soundtrack stuff, that I'll be posting soon, once I get my other computer up and running. It will be on a 'private' YouTube video, which means by permission only...and I can only do 50 people....You two, will automatically have that permission along with Little Hawk, and virtually any of my adopted Mudcat Family!
(I mean what the hell, we all bicker like family members....let's offset that, with the good times!!).
"Bittersuite:Joy" was originally written for a film soundtrack and score (which usually gets picked apart, anyway), and when 'Lightstorm' (Avatar, Titanic and others) were going over it, 911 happened...and ALL the film industry stopped EVERYTHING and ALL productions, figuring there was going to be a MAJOR change of direction. They LOVED the script..which BTW, is so absolutely timely for now, it would blow your minds...(even Paramount said it was 'ahead of it's time' but wanted the musical score, and soundtrack...BEFORE even reading the script...made me an offer, too...but I didn't want to separate the two....stupid me!)
All that stuff will be up in a bit..I think you'll like it...and BTW, I'm looking for some vocalists. I have one piece that I have reserved for Little Hawk to have first dibs.

Warmest Regards to You Guys!
(So much more unifying, than 'politics')....
Until we Bicker Again......Smiles,

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Apr 12 - 11:58 PM

Bobert: "... Good music is knowing what not to play..."

YES, and Don will know this...sometimes you play the 'holes'.
make it 'conversational'.
Wait till you hear the other vocals, and the stuff with a female vocalist....She'll make you know what to do...without telling you..and you'll be 'in Love'.

Same as before....,

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 12:03 AM

Gust - I wish you'd stick to music. It's much more interesting than your view of politics. Seriously. You politics are so off-putting I wonder how many people actually followed your link to the music? THAT is beautiful. The politics is abhorrent.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 12:46 AM

Stilly, Most ALL politics is abhorrent! It's built on too many lies, deception and manipulations. As Adlai Stevenson once said, (He ran for President four times), "By the time a man is nominated for President, he is no longer fit for the job.".......So true...and we ALL know why!

Regards, Stilly
..Glad You Liked the Music.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: saulgoldie
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 10:48 AM

Was there a warm breeze here a minute ago? Oh, it was just more hot air from a troll. Nevermind.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: Amos
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 11:31 AM

Mrs Carmichael had her fifth, looked at the job with repulsion,
Said to the midwife 'Take it away; I'm through with overproduction'...

Louis MacNeice

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 12:23 PM

Saulgoldie: "Was there a warm breeze here a minute ago? Oh, it was just more hot air from a troll. Nevermind."

You brought it in, now take it out.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 03:28 PM

Back to politics for a moment:

The Adlai Stevenson quote is very glib and very quotable, but, much as I liked Stevenson at the time, I fear that by making such a statement, he was committing what is known as "the fallacy of self-exclusion."

One of the problems in these political discussions, Michael, is that what both you and Little Hawk are saying (and Little Hawk somewhat more politely than you, I fear) is nothing that we "loony liberals" don't already know. You're preaching to the choir.

But we "loony liberals" are at least seeking a solution. Whereas if all you seem to be doing is blanketly condemning ALL politicians, and then do nothing but heap insults upon those who DO support (even with reservations) one politician or another over the rest, you are simply giving up and trying to encourage others to give up too! That, put bluntly, is the coward's way. Loony liberals like myself—and Bobert, for example—are not about to flop down and roll over that easily. We at least vet the various possibilities on an otherwise unappetizing menu and try to choose someone who will, if not save the country, at least not wreck it quite as quickly as some of the others. Playing for time, if nothing else.

And picking "nice guy" candidates who are simply not in the running is not an intelligent option. I like Dennis Kucinich very much and would have voted for him had he been running. But he didn't even get on the ballot. And when was the last time in the country's history that a write-in candidate—or, for that matter, a third party candidate—got elected?

I'm sure as hell not going to vote for Mitt Romney. And knowing a great deal about the beliefs of Ron Paul, I'm sure as hell NOT going to vote for HIM, even if he did say he would end the war in Afghanistan (which is an empty promise anyway).

Of viable candidates, that leaves the incumbent, Barack Obama. Unless something really weird happens at the Democratic convention.

I had great hopes for Obama early on, but among other things, he has had to contend with a Congress that is perfectly willing to see the whole country go to Hell rather than let Obama get anything through. Obama apparently doesn't have the force of personality that someone like FDR had. The Repubs hated FDR as much as they hate Obama, but somehow FDR managed to get the people behind him. Obama has not demonstrated anywhere near the charisma that Roosevelt had.

But—seriously—what are the alternatives? Rather than sitting back and smugly heaping abuse on those of us who are trying to find ways to keep our leaders from driving the country off a cliff, let's hear how YOU would at least TRY to prevent that?

Fair enough?

Don Firth

P. S. By the way, I know a number of politicians personally who are ethical, caring people, not the bribe-grubbing vermin you and others characterize them as. And I have worked on a couple of political campaigns. But I do NOT belong to any political party.

So I'm not politically naïve. Been there! Done that!

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 03:48 PM

Music question, GfinS...

On another Google joint the song appears and there is a mention of two guitars... I don't hear two guitars... I kinda hear one with several layers of electronics and hear synthesizer stuff and maybe even a metalaphone???

What is the instrumentation and what electronics are used???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 04:17 PM

Don if you dont make any attempt to understand those with different political views....Tea partiers....Rednecks...Commies...Conservatives, there is no chance of change and a better society.

All you seem to see is hatred all around you.....I believe Bobert, for all his rhetoric at times has more depth, he appears to understand all sorts of folks.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 04:30 PM

No hatred here, Ake. More of your kind of spin. I DO understand different political view and those who hold them. Do YOU?

Judging from things you've said in the past, your solution to the problem is to storm the Winter Palace. Been done. Didn't work out that well, did it!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 06:47 PM

Wrong, Ake... I don't understand wackos... I find them interesting, however...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 07:21 PM

Bobert,
I don't know what songs you're talking about?..Mine??..or something else?? If you got a link, or the name of the song, I may be able to help you out better.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 09:04 PM

"My Lady"???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 09:40 PM

OK..Two guitars, one acoustic and one electric.(if you recall in another post, when we were talking about instruments, I mentioned my Strat, made for me at the factory, and I mentioned the tone and sustain, being as it was made with very hard wood)...and that's all, and 'My Lady' was recorded LIVE, no dubbing, and the vocals were also LIVE, at the time of our playing...recorded in the back yard patio, right into the board. Mike Llona is playing a Takamine. Most of the processing, which was done 'in line' was because of the compressor (MXR, old one). Very little on the compressor side, more on the output9 like a pre-amp. Boss stereo chorus, using VERY little effect, Yamaha DM 1000 digital delay, minumal delay time and very little 'feedback'. The key to using effects, is only to shape the sound..if you HEAR the actual effect, you probably have it turned up too high.
The very most important 'effect' is your finger on the string!!!!!..and listening CAREFULLY!!
If you are trying to get a 'certain sound' on your axe, tell me what you're aimin' for...I can most likely get you there.

Your 'Delicious' just keeps being stuck in my head. Never heard that before, in describing music..or a songs.
BTW, was there one that you were more partial to?
The same effects were used for 'What Would You Care?'...we banged that out in about an hour and a half, when a producer wanted something with the same 'calling card' as 'My Lady'..he loved the unique(at the time) sound.
I need to emphasize, is the presence of your fingers, should NEVER be run over by effects.....just a little dab will do ya'!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 09:51 PM

Lotta electronics... Them ain't acoustic guitars by themselves... I done played in too many old time stringed bands to know that...

Come cleaner, GfinS, on the electronics... Acoustic guitars don't do this shit...

But, yeah... The sound is delicious... The only thing that I've done that approached this was on my 1908 pedal organ where I could completely control the tamber with my feet... Very "New Age-ie"...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: Amos
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 09:51 PM

There's a difference between political convictions and whackos, I suggest. The whacko uses political as a trhetorical vehicle for his buried dissonance and despisal, a channel for bile. There ARE such things as political convictions around socialism, communism, and the Tea Party, for example; their positions just tend to get drowned out by the whackos.

I think, personally, that most such need to go back to Life's Laboratory and recheck their results, but I don't begrudge them their slipshod work.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Apr 12 - 09:59 PM

Danged, Amos... We was having a discussion o' music and go and throw cold water over all that and...

...well, yer right!!!

What the hell is going on here???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 12:17 AM

Bobert: "Danged, Amos... We was having a discussion o' music and go and throw cold water over all that and...
...well, yer right!!!
What the hell is going on here???"

A clear and living demonstration, as what went down in the 'Why Closed threads?' thread......a CLEAR DEMONSTRATION of music unites..politics divide.
Almost forgot that there is 'allegedly' divisions, between us...but in the HIGHER realm, there is not!
..and as I've said before, 'Music is a higher calling'...wanna' be small?

Bobert, I'm not pulling your leg, there are NO synths in that piece, and if you listen closely, you can discern only two guitars..I KNOW, I WAS THERE!!!

'Delicious!'..LOVE IT!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 12:53 AM

Cecil and lansing were on the other guitars...
Sorry.
Memory of an elephant and all that.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 04:54 AM

Meanwhile, how much longer before the lunatic fringe of Republicans etc (I know it's a fine line to draw) admit that Romney is the Republican candidate, and we can return to the simple battle between less evil (Obama) and more evil (Romney)?

Oh, and while I'm on, does anyone know what Ake really wants? I know he's against everything from Gypsies and Poles and homosexuals (well, male ones at least) to plutocrats and politicians, and would tear down everything, but what would he build?

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 05:13 AM

I'm a builder, a stonemason to trade, but I cant build a good society.
That's up to you Richard, all the good folks on this forum and in the wider world.

We certainly cannot expect any political system to provide an ever higher standard of living (in financial or material terms), but if we stop hating one another because of phoney political labels and start a real dialogue, together we can build a society which can provide everyone with a "purpose in life"....Isn't that all we need to be happy and fulfilled?

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 09:57 AM

Well HELLO-O-O Akenaton!!!
Ironic how when things go 'civil' there are those who, because of a bad case of 'wants' and 'gimmes' they all chime in. These are the people we should listen to?????????
If there is going to be ANY real change, for the people, its going to come up from the people, from the part inside them with compassion for their fellow man, and not by those who are obsessed with disrupting those who actually function with compassion, and care, and Love...because they ran out of thumb to suck.

....and then I get to be the one, the funnel all their resentment for..because THEY can't get their shit together!!

(and Bobert, Firth and I must be legendary, on here, for our 'political difference bickering'...music must be powerful stuff.....even more powerful than the head trips associated with political divisiveness and smugness.

A I have NO political agenda....but I DO have a musical agenda..... Jeez, that pisses of those in polarization-land!!

Oh, and to cure TIA of its bug up the ass fixation... Cecil and lansing I have since come to find out, were names used by some other musicians who stopped by the studio, and during some break time, used my computer. At the time, I had no knowledge that they posted from here. My impression from them was that they thought that a lot of the Mudcatters were just a bunch of silly, contentious wannabees with to much time on their hands, that should have been practicing their chops or doing something productive. But those posts were not authored by me.....so go meditate on your navel..or some other body part, OK?

I hope this demonstrates even further the spirit of the difference, in our little 'living demonstration'....and anyone on here can FEEL the difference of the power of it.........................that is, if you're REALLY concerned with 'Change you can believe in'.

One more thing, Bobert, I've posted before, that musicians should not be on a trip about electronics.....everything you've ever heard on the radio, T.V., CD, tape, iPod, movies, larger live gigs, have all used at least a microphone, and electronics...learn about them, as well, because what you are ultimately doing, even with no mikes,etc, is dealing with SOUND! Play the sound(s). You're axe can even sound better, if while doing so, you zoom into the sound of your instrument, even without any electronics. Some musicians only deal with 'speed' and think those are 'chops'......often it's just , as we used to call it, 'Finger-shit'.

Hey, anything I can do to help you......


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 10:45 AM

Trouble is, Ake, that that parlays into "God save the squire and his relations and keep us all in our proper stations".

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 11:47 AM

Only if you believe money and power equate to happiness.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 11:50 AM

....and the ONLY 'profit' is what you can fold in your wallets!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 12:04 PM

Hi GFS.....Sorry, but I haven't had time to listen to your music.
I shall do so tonight, but I warn you, I'm a harsh critic   :0)

I'm sure it will be interesting and emotional...cheers A.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 03:52 PM

Akenaton: "...I'm a harsh critic   :0)"


GOOD!!!

Akenaton: "I'm sure it will be interesting and emotional..."

I hope so....grins
There are four of them.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 05:36 PM

Hate to drift off here but can you explain what you are playing thru (amps and effects), GfinS, 'cause that ain't straight up geetar... There's lotta electrons gettin' their head twisted to get that sound...
Jus' curious...

BTW, I got some reel-to-reel of new age-y stuff I did in the mid 80s on an old 1908 pedal organ I used to own...

Jus' say no, Nancy said... But did I listen to her???

Wish I still had that organ... The P-Vine has a Technics digital piano that can be clicked over to sounding like an organ but it doesn't have tamber...

Now back to the original slugfest...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 06:48 PM

Don't knock it..Technics actions are fantastic...in fact, that's what I'm playing on "Bittersuite:Joy"..Mine is a PSR1 which at the time of new was $26,000..but I got it way cheaper, and they use them religiously at the Newport Jazz Festival, one is always on stage there. they have a 32 bit sample of a Steinway full concert grand. Don't let her get off that!!!

OK, on "My Lady" I ran through a Carvin 1608 recording board, and recorded right through the board, as opposed to miking the amps. When I mike my amp, I use a Sennheiser mike...my cabinets are a Road bass cabinet(2 15's) AND an old Fender 'bastard' Bandmaster cabinet, that I replaced their crumby speakers, with 2 Carvin High Energy 12's. Unbelievable difference...spits in the milk of my friend who has a Marshall Stack, with 8 Celestion 10's..(even he thinks so!!).

Once out of the guitar, I use 5 channels on the board, yes 5!, to mix each part of the tone. I hope everyone out there is taking notes!!

What I want you to do, at your next convenience, is to mosey to your local GOOD music store, grab your geetar, electrics work better for this, but acoustics are good too, but takes a bit more 'set up'. Find TWO matching amps..EXACTLY the same, plug into a Boss(Roland) Stereo Chorus...NOT ONE WITH ONLY ONE OUTPUT..FUCK THOSE OR THROW THEM AWAY ..it MUST have TWO outputs. Plug into the effect, and if you can, run a compressor first, BEFORE the stereo chorus. Separate the two amps as far as you can...or at least 12 feet apart...match the settings on both amps to be the same. One cord to the stereo chorus..two coming out, one to each amp. DO NOT turn up the speed of the chorus up very high, just minimally, turn up the others, not all the way, (let your ears do the work, there....and play. If you can, face the speakers to face you, but WIDE..(not directly at you)....the sound should fill the room, with NO sense of direction from where the sound is coming(sorta like politics..grin)...and get back to me...anybody, and I WILL help you.
I forgot to mention, I ran a graphic Equalizer, first, when we did "My Lady"...and shape it with the mid-range lower that the highs or bass, but not peaking the highs or bass. If you work your successive volume controls, as not to overdrive them, your GAIN will be phenomenal....and leave people wondering, 'How did he get THAT sound?'
Now, if you do vocals, or for those who do, your highs and lows, on your EQ will keep from muddying up, the words. Then run your mike through a different channel(s), and you can kick the volume up on those, and none of the bass 'roll-off' will fuck with the vocals, nor will the mid-tones of the guitar interfere with the vocals. Your voice is in the mid-ranges....and overlapping them will muddy the clarity.
Try it, you'll like it.
OH, and one more thing I forgot to mention, that I left out, one the guitar, use a LITTLE reverb, but not to make it sound like you're playing in a sewer tunnel...just a bit....when you hear all that, the next thing will be the PRECISION that you play with.....which all the electronics on the planet, will not correct, when playing LIVE. You MUST do your wood-shedding homework!!!!!!!!!!
Practice, practice practice!!!..(besides it will sound so good, it should be hard to pull you away!!).
When I mike an acoustic guitar, we use 3 mikes...unless you have an on board transducer, then use two mikes and the pick-up. Run them through 3 separate channels for the blending of highs and lows, etc etc. From the board, you can assign them to where you want right or left, and mix them, so the right may have the highs, left may have the lows...and set your right and left channels about 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 up from being set fully right or left. If you are using analog controls, that would be, as example, right at, let's say (ON A CLOCK DIAL) at 7 o'clock, and the left at 4 o'clock...in other words NOT fully pegged! ..lift them up about 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 UP from being opened all the way.
Try it....

Best of 'luck'(though 'luck' has very little to do with it.....other than the fact, that you got the info!

Politics, Bah Humbug!!!!!

Regards, Ol' Fart!! PLAY WELL!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 06:55 PM

OH BOBERT....."Wish I still had that organ... The P-Vine has a Technics digital piano that can be clicked over to sounding like an organ but it doesn't have tamber..."

Though it is pronouced 'tamber' it is spelled, 'timber'.

Wink!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 06:56 PM

Or even timbre

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 07:30 PM

Spellin' ain't my strong suit...

Timber, tamber or Mitt Romney's Rambler???

Thanks fir the explanation, GfinS... I ain't into that much electron bending with my style of playing which is more juke joint and tube amp but it's interesting to find out how people get their geetars to sound like they do...

Okay, now we can get back to wrestling... What's this thread about??? Hmmmmmm??? Oh yeah... Obamacare???

50,000,000 people aren't covered by any health insurance yet go to emergency rooms and get health care but they don't pay fir it??? Hmmmmm??? who does???

Answer: the rest of us do in increased health care costs that get spread around... Kinda like department stores that tactor shop-lifting in their pricing... Who pays???

Answer: the rest of us do...

Is tha ACA the final answer???

No, but it's the 1st step and the longest journey starts with a...

..single step...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 11:24 PM

If its so good explain: "BS Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc".
What do they realize that they didn't see, or willingly admit, earlier?
What do they know now, that you, a 'Democratic Party Devotee' don't know??..or didn't know, before??

As I've said on here before, about being taught HOW to think, rather than WHAT to think......

Turn on
Tune up
and drop out...

or somethin' like that..

Utilize what I gave you..at least try the stereo chorus with two amps.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 11:54 AM

GfinS,

Consider the source of this thread and you will find that it's the other half of the Mudville Obama Hate Brigade, yer very own Sawzall...

As to "how to think"??? Saying you know how and actually doing it are two different things... You seem to parrot a lot of Fox/Tea propaganda so I suspect you need a thinking refresher course...

As for amps??? Yeah, it can be cool... My Lowebow has one fat .082 bass string and it's own pickup and then 3 treble strings with their own pickup... I have been at festivals were someone from another band has lent me their bass amp and split 'um... Very cool... I like to get the song going thru the first verse & chorus with the treble strings and then bring the bass in... Makes the folks who actually are paying attention go "WTF???"...

I donno if I can talk the mean comptroller, the P-Vine, into another amp but I'd certainly like one...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: GUEST,999
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 12:01 PM

"I donno if I can talk the mean comptroller, the P-Vine, into another amp but I'd certainly like one..."

A wise man would arrange for a tent to sleep in before said purchase.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: Amos
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 12:10 PM

Windy horse manure does not require explanation, Gusty. That's part of how to think. You don't take arm-waving for data.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 06:58 PM

Let's get this out of the way...real quick!

Bobert: "You seem to parrot a lot of Fox/Tea propaganda so I suspect you need a thinking refresher course..."

Fox News is not my primary source for 'news'..but I turn them on, once in a while. I prefer INFO over commentary. MSNBC and NBC I find extremely weak, and VERY biased, so I don't pay them much mind, and take them with a massive 'grain' of salt. BBC sometimes, NYT sometimes, NPR, PBS, can be pretty good, sometimes...but I have my own sources, which have been HIGHLY reliable. Remember when I posted 8 months ahead of Bush's admission that we were in a recession?..and Bush comes out and says, that we've been in a recession since last December...which just happens to be, when I posted that.
Gulf oil spill??....I had mega info on that, including the gasses, and the correct leakage....and the media slowly upped their numbers..and matched mine.
Gabriel Gifford? Was right about that, when everybody was jumping the gun, as usual...
Homosexual issue...not genetic, but behavioral...turned out to right about that...
What would happen immediately if after Obama was elected..right about that..
McCain's sequestered navel mishaps...right about that...
Zimmerman?...right about that.
Even called what the stock market was going to do..before it did just that.....right again...
and right about the banksters...just that some of you haven't come to grips with their grip on the whole of American politics...
Nafta?....Right again.
The 'Federal Reserve'....even when I posted congressional hearing links, where the Democrats to the lead, in questioning them during the end of Bush's Administration and they (Dems) were correct) Bobert still didn't check them out..because the Dems ans Repubs had reversed their position, after Obama was elected...and the EXACT same argument, was now being defended by some of the left on here,..when before the 'left' was on the attack, saying the SAME thing I was saying!!
Stimulus?. What a fucking joke! They still claim they can't account for a trillion fucking dollars!....and some on here find that excusable...or something like that...jeez..a TRILLION!!..can't find it??..yeah sure!
Shovel ready???...yeah, just keep shoveling bullshit, somebody will eat it up!
Clinton?..What a piece of deceptive crap! Glass-Steagal??...then the economy collapses?....Hilary's wildly profitable 'investments'..you mean insider trading/influence peddling?
Rick Perry, and announcing he was going to run, and who was backing him...A WEEK BEFORE HE ANNOUNCED IT?!?

Want me to go on?
..and I think you think YOU are on some sort of cutting edge...maybe you think you're ahead of inside stuff, and identify with Dylan....but you're deluding yourselves.
Look guys, I'm not rooting for either side..I'm rooting for the PEOPLE, especially for those who have been victimized and blind-sided by the ONE big outfit, which OWNS both parties, and directs the national dialog in a way, that draws suspicion away from them, and has the two CONTROLLED parties, and the arguments...of which some of the most ardent supporters, of those Machiavellian 'issues' get pissed off....too bad!....If you're so 'right', why are you always wrong???
ANSWER: THEY got you 'debating' on the misleading 'issues' that they put before both sides.
Sometimes I'm with ya' ..like when I posted about 'ALEC' and nobody on here had even heard of them, or brought them up.
So I'M fucked up??????????
First of all, I DO NOT believe nearly a damn word that comes from the administration....EITHER OF THEM!!....it works!

Resectfully,

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 07:43 PM

"Homosexual issue...not genetic, but behavioral...turned out to right about that..."

No you didn't. Most psychologists and geneticists have said just the opposite.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 07:45 PM

Well, GfinS... That was actually very funny... I mean, it could have been a Rush Limbaugh manifesto/rant/melt down... Now if you want to take any one of these "bird shot" issues out and discuss it then that would be cool...

I challenged OldGuy - or was it Dickey??? - to do the same and let him choose the single issue... He/she picked Katrina so I said, "Fine" and some 800 posts later seems that I was the only one left standing... And we could do that again...

But whereas you seem to get not over-playing music and leaving out stuff you don't get it talking politics and use the "gun shot" approach...

Okay, I may be wordy... But I can focus on a single issue...

I mean, if you just said, "Hey, I hate Obama - or MSNBC or bob-a-links - because ______________" then fine but rather than do that you just blow a lot of smoke up our posteriors and/or throw out so much "free association" generalized FOX/Tea "bird shot" that, no offense intended (just observation), that you appear to be a flailer???

Doesn't help your arguments, BTW...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 07:48 PM

That was hilarious. Most of those were wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 09:54 PM

Must be nice to be God in your own universe. You're never wrong!

But it must also be kinda lonely. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 10:05 PM

Not lonely, Don... Loonie??? Yeah...

When folks get all eat up with FOX/Tea mythology they have lots of friends... I mean, all ya' gotta do is read down the GfinS "Bill of Particulars" - mqanifest - to see that she has a room full of mythological friends... All brought to you by the Republican/Fox Party...

Normal...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 11:47 PM

Jeez!....Don, make up your mind. The last time you posted about it you said that you never said it was genetic....that blew me away, considering we ate up over 1000 posts on it!
So....here's some reading material: Here....The Truth-O-Meter Says:
Get back to me, if you want after you read up.

Richard Bridge: "That was hilarious. Most of those were wrong."

Coming from YOU, I think that says it all!

Bobert: "Well, GfinS... That was actually very funny... I mean, it could have been a Rush Limbaugh manifesto/rant/melt down... Now if you want to take any one of these "bird shot" issues out and discuss it then that would be cool..."

Make my day!..but this time, when you start getting eaten alive, just stop and think about it....I'm NOT trying to prove ANYTHING political!
You still think, after all this time that the Democratic Party is incorruptible..no matter how much evidence I've given, and the news that breaks all the time...Now mind you, the corruption is NOT limited to one party or the other....their both all fucked up!...but you already knew that, didn't you?..You just hold onto your security blanket of looking the other way!
Oh, maybe you know where that missing Trillion dollars is...maybe the shovel ready jobs buried it, in Corzine's back yard, along with his 800 billion, he can't find...maybe Solyndra's making solar panels with it....or Pelosi's husband used it to 'upgrade' his repossessed homes business..or at least the office...or, maybe they lied about the million dollar GSA party..maybe it was more..or is was used to furnish hookers for the Secret Service....or maybe they gave it to Edwards campaign fund, to pay for his 'mistress'....or gave it to Immelt, for a lifetime supply of Chow Mein, and dim sum, or fortune cookies, for his travels,...or paying off Acorn for the trouble they went through with voter fraud...or..paid you for you upstanding partisanship...or...a lifetime supply of drugs to keep you faithful to the 'party' and 'services rendered'!..or whatever, who cares? You don't. That was more money than the cost of WWII...but duhh, drool.."I dun know where it wents."

Oh, and here's another one for you...we are not in a recession....it's a full blown depression....but because they haven't instructed you what to say, yet, it's just a little 'downturn'.

Now, as far as your pickups the way you described it, do you keep running your base line while working your top strings?...I may have come up with a solution for you....maybe unconventional, but a little innovation, and your problem may be remedied...tell me exactly what you want it to do..and not do....(I may surprise you).
....and 'No', you don't have to reply to the earlier 'amusements'(?).

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Apr 12 - 11:50 PM

You're twisting what I said, Michael. I don't have time to deal with you right now, but I'll be back tomorrow to straighten you out.

You and the truth are strangers.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Apr 12 - 02:20 AM

Chew on THIS, Michael.

Then get back to the subject at hand.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 27 Apr 12 - 07:01 AM

From the penultimate sentence of the truth o meter link:

"In reality, most scientists do believe that sexual orientation is caused by biology, rather than by choice."

You really ought to read before you link to something you think supports you.

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Apr 12 - 07:28 AM

Bollocks.....Mathew Parriss one of our finest journalists and a homosexual, said recently that homosexuality is in large part choice(Times).

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Apr 12 - 07:34 AM

There is absolutely no evidence for a "gay gene"
If you have such evidence, publish it quickly, as it will make you famous ....and very rich!!

As I have said 179 times, if there was a genetic link it would be as obvious to todays researchers as a black sheep in a flock.
(I'm just looking at one out of the window right now!)

Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 27 Apr 12 - 08:09 AM

Read the truth o meter link.
There is a subtle but very important difference between "genetic origin" and "biological origin".
"Genetic" has not been proven.
"Biological" is greatly favored by science over "choice", although that does not rule out the occasional person who does make a choice.
That one (or several) people do not prove that *all* gays are such by choice.