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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Don Firth Date: 05 May 12 - 07:01 PM I've heard that, at an altitude of 16,000 feet, half the earth's atmosphere is below you. The Himalayas, upon the peaks of which it is traditional to sit in the lotus position and meditate and be above it all, one is considerably above 16,000 feet. The air gets pretty thin up there and the brain can become starved for oxygen, which may account for some of the weird perceptions and ideas that can occur. I think the Native Americans of the Southwest use peyote to get similar effects. Never touch mind-altering drugs myself. Besides, sitting there in the lotus position for long periods of time can really bugger your knees. . . . Don Firth P. S. The world is still waiting for the Great Revelation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 05 May 12 - 09:11 PM Don Firth: "P. S. The world is still waiting for the Great Revelation." Well, speaking of which, (and related to your 'P.S.'....I'm finding out some REALLY INTERESTING stuff. I'm getting close...being as I am actually reading it..and the one BEFORE it, that got turned down, for reasons only bigots would object to. BTW, I'm doing this VERY objectively, and having it reviewed by some VERY knowledgeable people, just to make sure. I think you're going to be in for some eye openers, some you may agree with...some you may not..in any event, I'll post my summation in not TOO long a time. There were two, and supplements,(huge)...but what the hell, I'd do it for my friends....... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Don Firth Date: 05 May 12 - 10:00 PM Looking forward to it, Michael. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Date: 05 May 12 - 10:41 PM I'd been tryin' to hook up with Swami Havabanana for years, Don, cos I thought I could get free fruit along with a little "Darshan" (look it up). Well, imagine my surprise when it turns out ya gotta pay $90 just to get in the door! 90 bucks is a lotta bananas. I told them bald-headed devotees that was mannin' the till and givin' out little I.D. cards for them that paid just what I thought of that shyster swami! Yup, it was quite a scene. They couldn't wait to get me outta there. They finally GAVE me a buncha free bananas just so I would go away. ;-D That is how ya win the game of self-realization in Chicago, cos the squeaky wheel gets the grease, don't it? How is the air up here, TIA? Well...it could be better. This is only a 3-floor walkup, y'know, and it's not in what I would call the best part of town. There is a lotta pollution here from cars and stuff. And real bad noise pollution too. Yessir. And then there's all the cigars I smoke. Tell you the truth, the air in here leaves a lot to be desired. But, hell, I never asked for a rose garden, did I? I ain't complainin'. Now get back to work and start attackin' each other's political views, hurlin' insults, and makin' witty remarks at each other's expense. Don't hold back. It's a slow night here, and I need entertainment. - Chongo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 06 May 12 - 01:26 AM Bobert, Based on this post of yours, "Ya have to start somewhere and this is a start... The provision that isn't getting any press but is the reason why the health insurance companies have secretly (and not so secretly) funneled a billion $$$ into the Tea Party thru FreedomWorks and other Dick Armey organization is... ...the Affordable Care Act, once all parts have kicked in, will ***require*** health insurance companies operating in the pool to ***************pay out 85%**************** of the premiums for..." I take it, and from another post, of yours, I think, you said that, as it progresses, it gets the kinks worked out..or something like that. Would you elaborate on what you believe it would/could improve to...or what you'd like it to cover. We are comparing some stuff, and the 'big glitch' is coming to light. Has NOTHING to do with the parties....but why they scaled back provisions on the first one(which is the one they really wanted)...to the one up now....and now the 'loopholes' to accomplish just that...from the second. OK, the other part of your quote,..."funneled a billion $$$ into the Tea Party thru FreedomWorks and other Dick Armey organization is..." Nope, that ain't it...it's bigger. Respectfully and Regards, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 06 May 12 - 07:17 AM Just have a few minutes before we board the bus for another day of garden tours but if I have it correctly the GfinS/Teapublican plan is just as I said: no plan other than criticizing other folks plan... Reminds me of the 4 corners offense that college basketball teams used to employ if they were ahead 29-27 at the half... They would get the tip off and then play keep away for the entire 2nd half, take no shots and the final score would be 29-27... That's why college basketball now has a shot clock... We need a shot clock here... GfinS is trying to run out the clock with pestering and subterfuge but, like Nixon's "secret plan" in '68 for ending thr Viet Nam war, that plan is so secret that GinS doesn't even know it??? Normal... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Date: 06 May 12 - 03:15 PM I love it! The straw men just keep gettin' advanced by certain of the arguers here...ever intent on provin' that the OTHER guy loves the Tea Party or is a closet racist or some other such hilarious and speculative notion. Yup, just keep tellin' yerselves that the OTHER guy is a fervent supporter of whatever crazy, evil, extreme political nightmare is hauntin' your own anxiety closet, hidin' under yer bed, and terrorizin' you, and you'll keep each other busy fightin' over absolutely nothin' forever, and I will continue gettin' my daily laughs watchin' you blast away madly at yer favorite straw men that you just erected instead of realizin' that you got WAY more in common with yer supposed "evil opponents" (on this forum) than you thought you did. They ain't crazy and they ain't evil. You ain't either. Not one of you here is a supporter of the Tea Party. Not one. But just keep pretendin' that the other guy is, and you'll never have to go to the trouble of actually understandin' what he has to say. You'll never have to face that fact that he, like you, is a good person, not crazy, and not backin' crazy propositions. And yer frantic demands for the other guy to advance "a plan" are just a buncha hot air. You want him to say something in the way of a plan not so you can come to any accord, but so you can immediately attack it and pick it apart and show how smart you are and how dumb he is. The real truth is, YOU ain't got a plan either. NO ONE here has "the plan" you ask him for. Oh...you got a few scattered notions of things that could be done here and there...and that won't be...but you sure as hell got nothin' that could be called a comprehensive plan that would straighten out the whole political/financial/social mess in America. No one here has such a plan large enough to cover this situation, not one of you, and if you think you do, you're dreamin'. Obama doesn't either. Nor Romney. Not one of 'em really has such a plan. They're almost surely lost in the complexities, probably pretty much as the rest of us are. What you got is not a plan but a lotta hot air, a buildup of yer anger and frustration over a lotta things you can't control, a smatterin' of knowledge and isolated facts and opinions mixed with a truckload of yer past mental habits and likes and dislikes, and some grandiose moral pretensions and a sense of yer innate superiority over anyone you regard as a political opponent of yers in any way. That does not equate to "a plan". It amounts to a political attitude based mostly on past prejudice, but it does not amount to a plan. Don't go lookin' for other people to satisfy all yer desires for "a solution" when you can't even satisfy 'em yerselves. And don't expect 'em to have all the pat answers that would provide "a solution" when you don't have 'em yerself. - Chongo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Don Firth Date: 06 May 12 - 04:06 PM That's funny, Chongo! But to be expected, I guess. You're talking like a monkey. (Jayzuz! Talk about erecting straw men! That's exactly what YOU are doing. Or the guy who has his hand up your butt and is doing your talking for you, sort of like Dick Cheney was doing with Dubya.) Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 May 12 - 01:54 AM Still reading. (Takes a while, but we're gettin' it!~) Hey Bobert, what were you thinking they might improve it with? The first one, and second one have some 'differences'....implementing the first one would have been bloody...but they changed some of the stuff that they may have wanted to have, but it makes me wonder about why they put that in, unless it was their goal, and were just being sneaky..however, there is some stuff that NOBODY reported, in the first one, and would have never flown. So Bobert, what improvements were you thinking of?....and don't get into one of your Democrat/Republican rants....just what were you hoping to find?..or what improvements were you looking for, in ANY area? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Bobert Date: 07 May 12 - 07:54 AM This is still on you, GfinS... Your plan, por favor... Didn't think you had one other than freedom??? That ain't a plan... Might of fact it has nothing to do with anything here... Jus' more hot air & subterfuge... Normal... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 May 12 - 11:30 AM Stop dodging the question, Bobert. You made a statement, that things were going to get 'improved'....this is relevant, because of the two bills...so I ask again: Hey Bobert, what were you thinking they might improve it with? The first one, and second one have some 'differences'....implementing the first one would have been bloody...but they changed some of the stuff that they may have wanted to have, but it makes me wonder about why they put that in, unless it was their goal, and were just being sneaky..however, there is some stuff that NOBODY reported, in the first one, and would have never flown. So Bobert, what improvements were you thinking of?....and don't get into one of your Democrat/Republican rants....just what were you hoping to find?..or what improvements were you looking for, in ANY area? GfS " P.S. ....unless. of course YOU don't know what you're talking about...just 'somebody' will fix it.... Still reading and going over it...(shit, between all the bills and 'supplements' there's over five fucking thousand pages..but I'm getting it read....more than your fantastic Democrat 'Representatives did, before they passed it...or your Democratic bosses....or even you, so lighten up....just tell me what you're looking for in the bill, to improve. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Date: 07 May 12 - 03:11 PM Everybody here erects a few straw men whenever they talk politics, Don. But they don't know they're doin' it. They just can't help it. They leap to hasty conclusions about what they think the other person is thinkin'....conclusions that are actually quite unfair to the other person and depict him as a doofus/fool/racist/dummy/fanatic/fundamentalist/whatever/etc. And that keeps the hostile wheels here spinnin' endlessly. The moment you start talkin' to someone else, you start imaginin' that you know what he's thinkin'. 2/3 of the time, yer probably wrong, but you don't realize it. And that's the source of the straw men you erect. And the other guy is probably doin' the same thing to YOU at the same time! (if he's like most humans) But............... As it says in the Bible, "Let he who is free of sin cast the first stone". Any takers? ;-D I guess not, huh? I am sayin' that we ALL suffer from blindspots that we ain't aware of, Don, and that it obfuscates our understandin' of other people. You got a problem with that? Or are you the one person here who is totally free of the many imperfections and misconceptions that afflict the rest of humanity and boggle our communications? And if so, how come you ain't in charge of the Cosmos? ;-D And why ain't all the beasts of Creation bownin' down at yer feet and praisin' yer unblemished perfection? Now, who's got "the plan" that'll fix our entire political system? Huh? Who, I ask! Don? Bobert? LH? GfS? Who's got that magic plan? ;-D None of us, that's who. Just admit it and show a little humility fer once, fer Chrissake. And after that...stop pesterin' other people to give you "their plan", cos they're the same as you...they don't know what the hell to do about the entire political situation all around us, and they're just little people tryin' their best to manage their own lives on a day by day basis. Show a little friggin' respect a change. Nobody here is obliged to give you the answer to everything, cos no one has got it. - Chongo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 May 12 - 05:18 PM Dearest Chongo, who writes: "Or are you the one person here who is totally free of the many imperfections and misconceptions that afflict the rest of humanity and boggle our communications? I have a confession to make....I used to be conceited.......but now I'm just perfect! Well written, Congo's secretary. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST Date: 07 May 12 - 07:10 PM When in the corner try making it about the guy asking the questions... That's Mickey Mouse, GfinS... Just give us your ******promised***** plane and after you have done that then you may ask me anything you want and I will answer eac h and every one of them but as long as you are just playing games it is apparent to even Helen Keller from her grave that you were and continue to bluff... I'm calling you on your bluff... Admit that you are plan-less and we can move on... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 07 May 12 - 08:59 PM BTW, Chongz... I just got around to reading yer little monkey stuff it reminds me why you are a monkey here and no one else is... Bunch of LH bullshit... You need to escape from him and get a real life... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 May 12 - 09:38 PM Lighten up, Bobert...jeez....you always this uptight? As far as my question about what you meant, and how you saw it 'evolving', I merely asked, because the first bill was more than likely what the wanted..but after it was sent back, for 'reconciliation' (modified), I was noting the changes, and was curious if those were changes 'up' for you, or a disappointing change. Apparently you have no opinion either way....(they didn't tell you yet, what to think?)...nothing worse than a robot with no programming.... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 07 May 12 - 09:52 PM Wrong as per usual, GfinS... I am the most laid back ol' hippie that you'd ever meet... Ask anyone who goes to the Getaway... They'll tell you... Jus' want you to know that watchin' you twist in the wind trying to divert attention off your plan onto me for whatever you think I've done or not done is very entertainin'... Didn't want this little subterfuge to go unappreciated but, as much as it pains me??? Yer are real pip, Alice!!! Now, rather than try to turn the attention on me for asking what your plan is would it be too much to ask you to reveal the plan that you promised to reveal??? Are you having fun yet??? Laidback B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 07 May 12 - 10:15 PM BTW, LH/Chongz... Here's the real deal... You have health care... We don't... Don't get your worshippin' collective heads too far up GfinS's posterior here thinking that mean ol' Boberdz is ganging up, or what ever you think... GfinS said she/he had a better plan... Obama bent over backwards trying to engage the Republicans in the early days... Spent a week in meetings with them and it has come down to the Repubs just saying "Fuck you, Obama... We want your ass out and we ain't givin' you shit.. Nothing... Got it???" That's the story here... Of course other than the US having 50,000,000 uninsured people getting crappy health care in American ER's and sticking me with the bill... Don't get to excited to back GfinS on this one, LH... It's making you look like an insensitive, aristocratic Ayn Rand-er... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 07 May 12 - 10:31 PM Bobert: "GfinS said she/he had a better plan..." I did???? I just said I didn't like this bill.....and I'm NOT diverting attention...I'm waiting to actually finish reading the bill, that you wholeheartedly support....and never read, or know what's in it, for sure. I only asked you what you meant in your post...and talk about 'twisting in the wind'....doesn't your neck of the woods have tornadoes? I'm just not going to comment, until I've finished it.....(what a novel idea!) GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 08 May 12 - 08:04 AM You said you had another plan and said you were going to post it... Period... Still waiting... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 08 May 12 - 10:27 AM ******************************Postscript*************************** Seems every time the righties huff and puff about this or that and get called on the details and policy positions they end up at the end of the same dead end road... Same here as elsewhere... When cornered they always attack Obama or the messenger with mindless insults and emotive blather... ********************************************************************* Ya'll ought to stick to music because there is no substance in parroting Koch/FOX noise... Just noise... And dangerous policy positions... Square business... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Date: 08 May 12 - 12:07 PM Yer erectin' straw men so fast, Bobert, that I couldn't shoot 'em all down even with a tommy gun! ;-D Why assume all these dire things about the people yer talkin' to? Why assume they like the Republicans? (They DON'T!) Why assume they worship the Tea Party? They don't! Why call 'em "righties" and "Ayn Randers"? Seems like an unlikely prescription to me. Just becoz someone else is debatin' with you about some issue doesn't mean they have to believe in EVERYTHING that you are totally against, y'know. By the way, GfS is definitely a "he", not a "she", I know this for a fact, so put that one to bed, okay? One less thing for you to worry about. You can thank me by sendin' a check or some bananas. - Chongo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Date: 08 May 12 - 01:02 PM Didja notice? I just got post # 222! Hoo-Hah! Now, let's suppose, Bobertz...that GfS does give you his plan. In detail. And you read it. And you point out, of course, all the stuff that's wrong with it. ;-D What then? Or are we just lookin' for braggin' rights here? Or is it that we are addicted to talkin' and don't know how to stop? What else could we be doin' instead? With that in mind, I think I'll go and have lunch somewhere. - Chongo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 08 May 12 - 01:04 PM Thanks, Chongz, for layin' the gender thing to rest... As for straw men??? GfinS has been an Obama hater going way the heck back and that has never changed... He has never once said one thing decent about Obama or any of his policies... That, IMHO, fits exactly with the Tea/FOX narrative... When GfinS is called on it he runs to "both sides" safe ground while your buddy, LH, provides cover... This time, Chongz, I figured that seeing as GfinS offered the non-Obama-haters a glimpse of what the Obama-haters thought would be a reasonable step towards solving america's health care, yes, crisis... We've had two years of weeping and hand-wringing by the Tea Party, the entire Republican Party, sans Olympia Snow, who has quit saying that the party is wacked out, FOX news and the the wacko right... These are not straw men, Chongz... Now here's something that maybe even your primate-lite self may understand... It goes "if it looks like a duck quacks like a duck, then it's a duck"... GfinS has been quacking for going back long enough to be called on it... There is such thing as reasonable debate when folks are willing to duscuss real world issues, policies, ideas... Seems other that than playing the Both Sides Shuffle or insulting people there ain't much in GfinS quiver... Ain't about straw men... It's about real world facts, knowledge and ideas... Like I have asked... You don't like the Affordable Care Act then give us your alternatives... Doing nothing, other than expecting people to accept person responsibility in a country where management has rigged the deck so that 1/2 of Americans now live at 125% of poverty or less is very much the world that would make Ayn Rand very happy... If folks don't like being labeled as Tea Partiers and Ayn Randers then maybe, just maybe, they should quit parroting Tea/Rand BS... There's a thought... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Little Hawk Date: 08 May 12 - 01:19 PM Chongo's gone out to lunch, Bobert. And I gotta do the same. I'll get back to you at some point, probably. Just a quick thought, though. I think GfS detests both the Republicans and the Democrats (the parties, I mean). He's certainly made that pretty clear for a long time. He's not for either of them. I don't think he's on "the other side" of the political divide from you...I think he's outside of it altogether. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Don Firth Date: 08 May 12 - 03:44 PM "Stop dodging the question, Bobert." GfinS has claimed to be many things on these threads, but his one outstanding talent he has never mentioned. He's a world-class acrobat! I have never seen a more talented one. You have to repeatedly ask him the same question over and over and when he finally realizes that he's on the spot and that you're not going to let it go, he does a marvelous back-flip and demands that YOU answer the question and implies that HE was the one who asked it in the first place!! I think he must be trying to fool late-comers to the thread. Because he can hardly fool anyone who's actually been following it with that kind of ploy. You really should take this on the road, Michael! Don Firth P. S. And to Chongo the monkey and the human he invented, their attempts to pump up their own egos by doing the "a pox on both your houses" schtick and "it's hopeless, so best just lay down and let them walk on you" (the counsel of cowardice) add nothing to the discussion, so it's best to just regard them the same way you would regard static on the radio. Annoying, but meaningless. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 08 May 12 - 04:45 PM I like the "static" analogy, Don... I was thinkin' gnat myself but, hey... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 May 12 - 04:46 PM Don and Bobert, don't you have ANYTHING better to do, 'than fear and loathing'?? If you REALLY want to do something with your time, you should read this thing....but, you won't, you'll expect someone to read it to you. ...and Bobert, when you said the music was 'Delicious', I took it you saw the video, in which case you would have known my gender, with a picture of my mug on it....Did you have someone listen to it for you? ..even got a pic of the spouse, and a grandchild playing with a butterfly, at the concert..... Methinks you guys are a bit nervous.....join the rest of the country! ...I mean Bush fucked up running up the deficit by 4 trillion in 8 years, and he was fucked up for doing so...Obama promised change...he ran up 5 trillion in 3 years, and can't account for one trillion...but somehow, you guys bought into the political rhetoric, and have become ever increasingly stupid excuse makers..afraid of learning anything but the dictates of what 'the party' tells you...and I'M FUCKED UP????????????????????? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Don Firth Date: 08 May 12 - 05:01 PM You accuse US of "fear and loathing" when you are the one who has frequently indicated your OWN fear and loathing of Barack Obama and the "loony liberals." Now he's doing somersaults!! Don't expect any kind of plan or solution from this source. GfinS has got NUTHIN'! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 08 May 12 - 06:02 PM No, GfinS, by the time i made the "delicious" critique of your music I understood I was well aware of your gender... Don't get all warped over the critique... There is music that I consider delicious... I mentioned that I was a closet Windham Hill appreciator but I also love other "delicious" music such as Grey Eye Glancing, Enya, Declan Masterson, etc... All delicious music... The blues??? Different story... Ain't no delicious blues songs... None!!! But I like the blues more than I like delicious music... As for the fear and loathing assertion... Very pathetic... I neither fear or loathe you... Musically, I respect you... Politically, I feel sorry for you... You don't seem to want to learn anything new and you parrot right wing bumper sticker policy positions... Do you have any idea what the $5T in new deficits is about??? Maybe if you were better read you'd understand that 100% of these deficits were back end boobie traps in Bush's budgets... Economists predicted them down to 5% going back to 2006... Jesus as President and Oral Roberts as VP couldn't have changed them... See, I mean when you are trying to have a logical discussion with someone who, frankly, hasn't kept up over the years then what you get is exactly waht we get from you, GfinS: right winged Republican propaganda... Do your homework... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Songwronger Date: 08 May 12 - 06:20 PM I think forcing citizens to buy a product is unconstitutional, but if it's going to be done, then don't let the Bush/Obama people force us to do business with Hartford Insurance and the other big companies. That's fascism. Just extend Medicaire to include all Americans. The system's already in place. And no, that's not what Obamacare "basically does." His plan is fascistic collusion with the big insurance providers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: saulgoldie Date: 08 May 12 - 06:44 PM So you're sitting ina pub. Guy nextya is the alcoholic equivalent of "one toke over the line." He starts babbling annoyingly. Now, if you *ignore him* long enough, he either just falls over, or he goes away out of boredom to annoy someone else. If he pokes you, you call the cops. And so it is with trolls. Unless, of course you like to wind em up and watch em run around. Long's you don't forget that they are there for your amusement, and that they are not to be taken seriously. Saul |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 08 May 12 - 06:57 PM Yes, Somgwronger!!! Medicare for all... I agree... What we got with the Affordable Care Act is all we wer4e going to get... That is reality... Medicare for all will be inplace in America by 2025... There is no alternative... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Don Firth Date: 08 May 12 - 07:47 PM MY GAWD! SONGWRONGER AND I AGREE ON SOMETHING!! Just extend MediCare. #### I know this is a silly thing to ask, but GfinS, have you ever met a real, live politician? Have you ever worked on a political compaign? Have you ever even got up off your butt and voted? You, too, Little Hawk (realizing that you're in Canada, of course—in your case, Canadian elections). I didn't think so. You claim all politicians are crooks, right? Bought and paid for by special interests, right? Well, I DO know a few politicians—personally. One is my Congressman, Jim McDermott. I don't know him well, but I've talked with him on a number of occasions, and even though he probably doesn't remember my name, I'm sure he remembers me. People around here like him. He's been re-elected several times and the last time he was re-elected, he got some 80% of the vote. He's stuck his neck out many times. Among other things, he blew the whistle on an illegal deal that Newt Gingrich and one of his cohorts were hatching up and released the story to the press--after the Senate Ethics Committee refused to do anything about it--because he felt the voters should know what their elected officials are up to. He got into deep do-do over that. But—the voters re-elected him. Another is a member of the Washington State Legislature. He's young, and he'll probably be around for a long time. Sharp as a tack and he "knows where his towel is." One of those "loony liberals." He backs some issues that are very unpopular with the Powers That Be and he doesn't back down when things get sticky. He's a neighbor, and he and I go to the same church. Some years ago I worked in the same office with the wife of the, then, King County Executive. I met him first at the office Christmas party, and saw him and talked with him a fair number of times after that. Among many other things, he backed a number of controversial environmental issues that prevented real estate developers from bulldozing the vast forested area east of Lake Washington and Lake Sammamish and turning it into a South San Francisco style desert of "little boxes" style houses (see song by Malvina Reynolds). In 2009, Barack Obama appointed him to be Deputy Secretary of Housing and Urban Development. These three and a number of others. I worked on Washington State's so-called "bottle bill" that required grocery stores and other outlets to take glass and plastic bottles back and turn them over to a recycling company. It also mandated that something similar be done to the great fluttering flood of cheap plastic bags that clutter the landfills and are NOT biodegradable. We won that. I also worked on the "Don't Bankrupt Washington" campaign that succeeded in putting a leash on the Washington Public Power Supply System, or WPPSS (aptly referred to as WOOPS!!), that wanted to build nuclear power plants all over the state, DESPITE the fact that the sites of a number of projected plants lie along the coastline of Southwest Washington—and geologists have pointed out that just offshore is a major earthquake fault. There is a subduction zone just like the one off the coast of northern Japan that did a number on the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant that Japan is going to have to contend with for centuries to come. These geologists inform us that this fault produces a major earthquake, complete with tsunamis, about every three hundred years. And the last on was about three hundred years ago. In addition to the probability of a major earthquake in the foreseeable future, and what it would do to a string of nuclear power plants along the coastline, the project would have all but financially backrupted the state. There are OTHER sources of CLEAN ENERGY available that would cost the state far less. We won that one, too! So GfinS, Little Hawk (Chongo), and anyone else possessed of similar misconceptions, don't try to tell me that it can't be done, so we may as well just give up!! That's the way of the kind of lazy coward who simply can't be bothered. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Don Firth Date: 08 May 12 - 08:01 PM Let me ask you this: WITHOUT LOOKING THEM UP, can you name your two state Senators? What Congressional district do you live in? Can you name the Congressional Representative from your district. That's WITHOUT looking them up, now! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 08 May 12 - 08:46 PM Well, Don, having just moved to NC i'd have to admit that I didn't know all these folks but I'm learning about them and... ...voted responsibly today... Wrote in GfinS fir dog catcher... That was a joke... But you are entirely correct, Don... These "both siders" are no better than "birthers"... It's all hog wash to protect them from having to roll up their sleeves, knock on doors and try to bring about the kinda world they would like to have... I've beat my knuckles down to knubs since my first campaign for Kennedy in 1960 (when I was way to young to vote)... I've knocked on thousands of doors... But, Don, I would guess that you are entirely correct with LH and GfinS... The Both Sides Shuffle is alot easier than standing for something... ..."And then they came for me" B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Don Firth Date: 08 May 12 - 09:18 PM Yeah, Bobert, despite the fact that they don't seem very appreciative, it looks like it's up to you and me to save their sorry asses for them. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Songwronger Date: 08 May 12 - 09:21 PM Oh, I'm not in favor of extending Medicaire to all. I just said that it's already set up. Using it for universal health care would make more sense than letting the Big 5 insurance companies start a system from scratch, which is what Obama wants to do, no matter how he dresses it up. He's a fascist. He wants to force you to buy an insurance policy from an insurance conglomerate. Obama is marketed as a progressive, the successor to JFK, LBJ and FDR. But he has shut down JFK's manned space flight program, he's in the process of killing LBJ's medicaire program, and he's got his sights set on FDR's social security program. He's a stone cold fascist, privatizing and shipping everything he can overseas. His "save" of General Motors has Cadillac producing cars in China next year. Let the scales fall from your eyes, people. How do you know when Obama's lying? His lips are moving. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Don Firth Date: 08 May 12 - 09:28 PM Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proofs. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 08 May 12 - 09:33 PM Well, so much for wronger being right... ahhhh, correct... Absolutely delusional... I mean, institutional delusional... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 May 12 - 09:39 PM You two 'forgot'(?) to address my comment, but then went on a semi-literate tirade bashing me....so address this AGAIN: GfS: Methinks you guys are a bit nervous.....join the rest of the country! ...I mean Bush fucked up running up the deficit by 4 trillion in 8 years, and he was fucked up for doing so...Obama promised change...he ran up 5 trillion in 3 years, and can't account for one trillion...but somehow, you guys bought into the political rhetoric, and have become ever increasingly stupid excuse makers..afraid of learning anything but the dictates of what 'the party' tells you...and I'M FUCKED UP?????????????????????" GfS P.S....and I'm STILL reading this stuff.....YOU should put in the effort.....that is IF you REALLY gave a damn!!..Instead, you'd rather call names....glad the Democrats have such mature people behind them! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Don Firth Date: 08 May 12 - 09:55 PM Where are you finding all these allegations against Obama, GfinS? Name your source. And GfinS, you kept talking about this great plan you're putting together, and when we kept asking "Where is it?" you tell us to be patient (advising me to "take a red"), that you're working on it. Then you accuse us of not responding to your "Great Plan." I didn't see any "Great Plan." Could it be that you neglected an intermediate step? Like posting the "Great Plan" that you keep accusing us of not responding to? Or could it be that the dog ate your homework? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 08 May 12 - 09:57 PM Yo, dog... I don't buy into the news de jour... It is usually 100% wrong and revisionist... I have been a news junkie going back to the 60s... I read more stuff in any given week on politics and policies in a week than most people will read in their lives... In 2006 economists predicted the exact deficits that we are seeing today... It was written up in the Washington Post and New York Times... Why these papers ain't stepping up and reporting those stories is between those papers and their advertisers... Both papers are loosing money... They are doing what they have to to to survive... But those of us who aren't spinners-come-lately who have a grasp of the last 50 years know what is what... George Bush built into his budgets $7T in additional defecits that were going to hit the next guy... Obama is that next guy... This, as distasteful to righties, is fact!!! Do you disagree with this, GfinS??? You could do a little research and discover this all for yourself... But you won't... Easier to take drink the Tea... They, after all, know everything... Wrong... They are morons who don't don't squat about squat... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Don Firth Date: 08 May 12 - 10:04 PM As an African-American friend of mine commented, "This isn't the first time that a black man has had to clean up a white man's mess!" Obama inherited this deficit from Bush, GfinS. Where have you been for that last dozen or so years? By the way, I'm signing off for the evening. Things to do. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 08 May 12 - 10:47 PM If there ain't some IQ from the LH/GfinS duo then I'm not all that far behind you, Don... There is a limit to how much classless-and-free-both-sides one can take before it becomes evident that they have nothing to say because they have noting to say... Normal... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 May 12 - 11:06 PM All this dancing around the issue and NEVER addressing it! Where's the fucking trillion dollars??...and why are you so eager to entrust your healthcare and private information to some, either irresponsible people?...or dishonest? ...and then get so uptight, because someone is actually READING this bill, instead of parroting its wonders....ACCORDING TO THEM, who wanted NO ONE to read it, before 'passing' it????? Now, stick to the issue.......if you can! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST Date: 08 May 12 - 11:32 PM Still waiting for the "eye openers" promised on the prop. 8 thread... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Don Firth Date: 09 May 12 - 12:48 AM State your sources for this information, GfinS, so that we may read it for ourselves. I know that you are biased. I'm just wondering how biased your sources are. Don Firth P. S. And why, GfinS, does it have to be a "fucking trillion dollars?" Agitated emotional state combine with a limited vocabulary? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 May 12 - 01:04 AM Is this the first you've heard about it?????? Holy smokes! Do your own homework! I can't believe such 'astutely' mouthy political watchers have not heard about this! GfS P.S. ..and I don't believe I 'offered' a better plan...that was Bobert's assertion....but I think I could come up with one...but you won't like it. You guys are just typical bitchers...who just buy into any political nonsense YOUR particular party comes up with...no matter how corrupt, misleading, freedom grabbing....as long as they can buy you off with ...yet...another bullshit promise of an entitlement...and that's the plain and simple truth.... ..besides, I'm not finished this thing.....then I think...how can I conduct an intelligent dialogue about this, when I'm trying to talk to people, who, out front, don't know diddlysquat about the bill...only its free!..its free!! Oh Goody-goody, Somebody else is going to pay for it...It's my 'civil right'!! Says who? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Little Hawk Date: 09 May 12 - 01:35 AM Wow! I am amazed by how many posts you chaps have put in since I was last here. Incredible effort on the part of all of you. If you were hamsters, the exercise wheel would be completely worn out. Anyway, nice going. It's too late now, and I'm too tired, but I will tune in again tomorrow and have fun reading it all. See you again soon. ;-) |