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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Date: 30 Apr 12 - 04:34 AM Yer gonna be in big trouble if I see you around Chicago, GfS. I don't go around puttin' tails on no chimps, and you won't either if ya know what's good for you. - Chongo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 30 Apr 12 - 08:28 AM Plus, you can buy perfectly nice clip on monkey tails for less than the cost of a box of bananas for those invites where tails are expected... Nice thing about the clip on is that it comes with a braid option so when yer out riding on yer Harley ya clip it on the back of yer German helmet and you'll really look like a tough guy... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 30 Apr 12 - 10:31 AM BTW, Paul Krugman was on CBS this morning making sense... Too bad that Obama doesn't fire Ben Bernanke and let Krugman run the show... Krugman has more sense in his finger nail clippings that Bernanke has in his entire body... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Don Firth Date: 30 Apr 12 - 04:09 PM Chongo (with date) in tails. CLICKY. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 30 Apr 12 - 04:11 PM Bobert: "BTW, Paul Krugman was on CBS this morning making sense... Too bad that Obama doesn't fire Ben Bernanke and let Krugman run the show... Krugman has more sense in his finger nail clippings that Bernanke has in his entire body..." Perhaps you are right on this one, partially..so, let's rephrase... Bobert: ""BTW, Paul Krugman was on CBS this morning making sense... Too bad that Obama doesn't fire Ben Bernanke!" Fair enough?....Oh, and BTW(again), Note the LAST 'joke'.....(7:35) and note the re-action. It was brilliant! .Ever heard that before????? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 30 Apr 12 - 07:34 PM Danged!!! Get Ripley on the phone 'n stop the presses... There may be one thing on the planet, other than music, where GfinS may agree??? Say it ain't so... And if it is so, would that make me insane, as well??? Good f'n grief... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 30 Apr 12 - 11:26 PM Well HOT Damn!...the rest is just what side of the 'news' presented to you that you fill your head with!!..It's all from the SAME people's script! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 May 12 - 11:54 AM Well, anyway...as I've said before..YES we need health care..but this bill is what we get INSTEAD..no wonder Democrats are jumping ship. The people are starting to find out what's in it...BESIDES health care(?) GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Little Hawk Date: 01 May 12 - 12:17 PM Just a little aside here...yeah, that's Chongo for sure in that photo. He really goes for tall women. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 01 May 12 - 12:59 PM The problem is that people aren't exactly jumping ship... This is just more right wing PR pablum... As for the Affordable Care Act... If it goes down then the health care crisis in the US will never ever get fixed and the US will go down with it... Ya have to start somewhere and this is a start... The provision that isn't getting any press but is the reason why the health insurance companies have secretly (and not so secretly) funneled a billion $$$ into the Tea Party thru FreedomWorks and other Dick Armey organization is... ...the Affordable Care Act, once all parts have kicked in, will ***require*** health insurance companies operating in the pool to ***************pay out 85%**************** of the premiums for... ...friggin' HEALTH CARE!!! ***********************HORRORS!!!********************** B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 May 12 - 04:48 PM Ahh, such optimism....you forgot the fucked up parts about it, and only spouted the Democratic propaganda. Jeez Bobert, take off the blinders. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Don Firth Date: 01 May 12 - 05:19 PM Okay, let's have it: what do you consider the "fucked up" parts about it? It's a no-brainer to say something is "fucked-up" if you don't bother specifying what you think is wrong. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 01 May 12 - 08:36 PM Ted Kennedy said, " Don't let perfect be the enemy of the good" Please elaborate, GfinS, the parts of the law that offend you that you think outweigh the benefits... No rightie blue clickies... Your words, por favor... Me thinks that GfinS is going to pull a disappearing act now... Poof!!! B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Richard Bridge Date: 01 May 12 - 09:52 PM What's wrong with poofs? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Don Firth Date: 01 May 12 - 09:58 PM GfS, I posed a question to you in one of my posts above which you still haven't answered. It's toward the end of the post. Here, let me help you. CLICKY. Do you HAVE any answer, or do you just want to bitch and complain? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 02 May 12 - 08:06 AM I believe we have purdy much asked the same question, Don??? The problem with the Fox ditto-heads is that while Fox has certainly programed their followers to parrot "repeal Obamacare" Fox has *** NOT*** programed them with any alternatives so... ...the ditto-heads have nothin' to parrot... But if they were to think - I know, what's "think" mean - they would be happy to have a Republican plan in place for now and not a "European socialist" (lol) single payer plan... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 May 12 - 08:22 PM Bobert the Terminal Democrat: "The problem with the Fox ditto-heads is that while Fox has certainly programed their followers to parrot "repeal Obamacare" Fox has *** NOT*** programed them with any alternatives so..." It's NOT up before the Supreme Court because of Fox ditto-heads. Where the 'left' comes up with this lame shit is beyond absurdity. Given the choice of 'free'(?) 'health care, decided by and administered by bureaucrats, and freedom....I'll go for the freedom..you obviously don't feel that way...that's up to you...but when the federal government successfully secures our borders, and deals with the economy, maybe just a little better, and get's the fuck out of everybody's business, well, maybe we'd even consider them capable of taking on anything more personal....judging for all the attorneys adds, for drug recalls...umm...I don't think the got to much o' grip on the FDA, either!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 02 May 12 - 08:33 PM Freedom??? When we allow for-profit health insurance companies to set our national health care policy we are in serious trouble... Freedom to be told "no" in 20 different languages... Freedom to have coverage denied... Freedom to have you insurance company to drop you because you get sick... Freedom to have your insurance company not cover stuff saying (without proof) that it was a pre-existing condition... Free to have Republican kangaroo courts side with the the insurance companies... Free to just flippin' die... No thanks to your brand of freedom, GfinS... It's the Somalia Health Care Policy... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 May 12 - 11:47 PM No, Dummy! Freedom to pick who we want, when we want, and freedom to keep the government out of our shit! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 03 May 12 - 08:41 AM That's not a rebuttal, GfinS... That is 100% USDA Choice Cop Out... Don and I have asked you specific questions as to what your alternative is and all we get back is nonsense like the post above... This is the real world... The country has real problems that need real attention... Those problems will not and can not fix themselves... So, again I will ask you: What is your alternative to the Affordable Care Act??? Try ***thinking*** this time... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST Date: 03 May 12 - 08:45 AM Affordable Care does not limit your choice...except the choice to *not* have insurance, go to the emergency room, and have those of us who *do* have insurance pay for *your* healthcare. Is that the "choice" you are defending? Really? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 03 May 12 - 09:42 AM Good point, GUEST... BTW, 50,000,000 uninsured still get/consume health care... They just don't pay for most of it... Who does??? Yup, you and I in higher costs... Maybe GfinS is one of those free-loaders who dines "freedom" as free to run up bills and make other folks pay 'um??? I donno??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,TIA Date: 03 May 12 - 10:23 AM Oops. Sorry. Me above. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 03 May 12 - 10:29 AM Sounded like you above... Mistype on my last post "dines" = "thinks"... ???... Typing with one hand can be tricky... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 May 12 - 10:51 AM Bobert: "Maybe GfinS is one of those free-loaders who dines "freedom" as free to run up bills and make other folks pay 'um???" No, that's a 'liberal'. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 03 May 12 - 11:18 AM Still no answer/s from the resident wacko... Normal... So what's your ***real*** plan, GfinS??? Freedom isn't a plan... Hey, if you just want the insurance companies to set our national health care policy then just come out and say it... At least that would be honest... Short sighted 'n dumb... But honest... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 May 12 - 11:49 AM I spoke too hastily.... Bobert: "Maybe GfinS is one of those free-loaders who dines "freedom" as free to run up bills and make other folks pay 'um???" Oh, that is also a 'bankster' who Obama is all too eager to bail out, with our money! California had a pretty good state funded medical program...till it was overrun with illegal aliens. I posted about this before...the Mexicans, yes, the illegally resident Mexicans, would go to the emergency room of several hospitals, for ANYTHING..including 'pain pills' for free. Several hospitals had to shut down those services. I was physically there, on business, when the emergency room was so packed with freeloaders, that a man died, from a heart attack, from the doctors who couldn't get to him, because they were so swamped. Everybody thought somebody else was attending him. OK, plan.....First, before ANYTHING should be implemented, by finding, the loopholes with doctors and insurance, or govt. aid should be shut down..in other words, corruption, over billing and unneeded 'tests'. Insurance AND govt. paperwork ADDS 1/3 the cost, right at the get-go. Billing could be set at what a person could pay, very easily. Nobody should be FORCED to buy anything, as a govt mandate. Waste and fraud is rampant, in the system; I think we could all agree on that...plus the over burden of the influx of illegals flooding the system... Hey, I gotta go, people waiting..I'll be happy to continue this later... ..but I can say, if the federal government was doing ANYTHING near their job, and Constitutional obligation, California's health program would be going great! Gotta go...be back, later... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Ebbie Date: 03 May 12 - 12:14 PM Under the Affordable Health Care Act: 54 million people are now receiving preventive care 2.5 million young people are now still on their parents' insurance plan Prescription costs have gone down for seniors 50,000 people now have coverage that didn't have it before Not sure where I heard those stats. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Don Firth Date: 03 May 12 - 12:59 PM It's pretty obvious, actually. GfinS's answer (despite the fact that he is too cute and coy to state it himself) can be found spelled out in detail by reading Atlas Shrugged, by Ayn Rand. Clear as a bell! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 03 May 12 - 01:52 PM Who is going to shut down all these loopholes, corruption and billing for unesserary testing, GfinS??? The tooth fairy??? Get real here... You say you want the government to stay outta your shit then you advocate, as a first step, a plan that can not be implemented by anyone but the government... Or are just going to ask the crooks to "Please, play nice"... Guess again, GfinS... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 03 May 12 - 03:25 PM BTW, every time something really messed up happens it's the government haters who are out there screaming "This should never have happened!!! Someone should have done something to prevent it!!!" Exactly who is this "some one"??? Back Pine Grove Holler Louis was about as eat up Tea Partyin, Obama hatin', anti-government a woman as there is... She was also Mr. Clifford's daughter... When Mr. Clifford suffered his stroke and had to go into long term care, Louis was fir to be tied that Medicare only covered the 1st 90 days before Mr. Clifford would have to start spending his savings (Louis's inheritance, btw) and she was good and steamed that the mean government wouldn't chip in and pay for Mr. Clifford's care until he ran out of savings??? Yup, a real government haters pissed of because she couldn't get more of it??? And she's not an exception... I ran into this all the time as a social worker... The hypocrisy and ignorance of the right wing is unbelievable... This isn't about differences of opinion here... It is just crazy tin foil stories and a complete lack of knowledge about real world facts... Beam me up, Scotty... B;~( |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 May 12 - 08:52 PM Hey, I'm putting together a pretty comprehensive answer, so just hold on. As far as corruption, I don't think the Democrats or Republicans, or any other thievin' group, such as those, would be willing to cut off their 'under the table incomes'...I surely wouldn't want those pieces of shit handling the nation's 'health care'...but then, it was NEVER about 'health' or 'care'. You just don't see it...you still believe in the 'news media's' portrayal of our government structure, and who's greasin' who. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 03 May 12 - 09:02 PM Just tell us your plan, GfinS, sans the "Both Sides Boogie"... Just your plan... BTW, I'm gonna have to leave this to TIA, Don, et al... Ol' hillbilly is off to Ashville, NC, for the annual convention of the American Azalea Society... Three days of garden tours and grooving with the same people we groove with once a year... But, hey, lotta cheap (and rare) plants available... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Don Firth Date: 03 May 12 - 11:18 PM We "...believe in the 'news media's' portrayal of our government...." Since when, GfinS? That's a rash and inaccurate assumption on your part. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 03 May 12 - 11:50 PM Don: "Since when, GfinS? That's a rash and inaccurate assumption on your part." Since your 'rap' has always been predictable, and inline with the latest notions are being reported(read:'programmed') by the 'favored' disinformation outlets...and you seem to have a hard time 'undoing' certain mindsets, even in the face of true information. You're sorta got a 'programmed trigger response' to discount things you don't want to believe.... That's why. Hey....Respectfully, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,TIA Date: 04 May 12 - 12:29 AM I, for one, will hold my breath awaiting the "comprehensive response". I have heard that one before. Memory of an elephant and all that. In particular I remember a promise of some eye-opening revelations on the prop 9 thread. Eyes closed to this day. Oh well. Have a great azalea trip Boberz. I (literally) grew up in a bigass patch of native mountain laurel on South Mountain. Good stuff. PS Somebody needs to Google the "Dunning-Kruger Effect" PPS Keeriest, why do I get sucked into this ridiculosity! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Stilly River Sage Date: 04 May 12 - 12:37 AM I wish you'd get back to music again. . . GfS is so much more gracious in that part of the conversation. Just an observation. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Don Firth Date: 04 May 12 - 12:45 AM Music is the only thing he knows anything about. All the rest is random noise. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST Date: 04 May 12 - 06:42 AM Yes, I'm sure that if GfinS has a plan that it's going to be the same plan that Richard Nixon had in '68 to end the Vietnam War... So "secret" that he didn't know it... Gotta go!!! B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 04 May 12 - 09:34 AM Srs, YES, music!..truly a uniting force, where politics, based on nonsense, and capitalizing on people's biases, seems to ignite more dug in nonsense, even further. I can tell, from some of the posts already, that 'the crew' already has wonderfully 'open minds' waiting to be fed...so they can 'compare' the input to their indoctrinations!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Don Firth Date: 04 May 12 - 03:58 PM Speaking of "indoctrinations. . . . I receive several "newsletters" in my e-mail every morning. These newsletters reflect a number of different viewpoints and political positions—so I'm not quite like one of these people who gets all of their "news" and their political position from Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, and/or one particular newsletter or web site. Read. Compare. Think. Accept nothing without question and examination. One of the extreme conservative newsletters I get each morning (I like to keep up with what these folks are saying and just how far they will go—which is mind-boggling sometimes!) is Bob Livinston's "Personal Liberty Alerts," which contains daily attacks on liberals in general and President Obama in particular. Most of them are in an area that can only be called "vicious and hate-filled." Downright irrational, which can lead one to believe that the main thing that Livingston finds unacceptable about Obama, other than his being more or less liberal, is that Obama is not acceptably pale enough. Without saying as much, of course. But the vitriol he piles on is reminiscent of the kind of hatred one would expect from a closet KKK member. Some of the stuff that GfinS comes off with about "loony liberals" and President Obama sounds like it came from Livingston's "Personal Liberty Alerts." THIS may be one of the "reliable sources" he speaks about, while accusing the rest of us of passively allowing the "liberal media" to "brainwash" us. The fact that he won't answer a reasonable, direct question ("What is your solution to the problem? Who would you recommend we all vote for? And don't say Kucinich, who is not even running!") and feels he has to personally attack those who don't agree with him is that he has no solution, he just wants to bitch. This, along with political naiveté and a sad combination of narcissism and low self-esteem. If he wants to be thought of as a thinker, he has to think. Not just envy and try to insult those who actually do. Don Firth P. S. Stick to music. You seem to have the hang of that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Bobert Date: 04 May 12 - 07:21 PM Shhhhhhhhh, ya'll... I'm 'sposed to be down in the big room with 450 other folks watching boring slides and listening to a boring old guy... But I snuck out.. Hey, they want $5.50 for a friggin' beer... Domestic??? Sticking it to folks just like GfinS's buddies, the health insurance crooks... No way... Got me a 12 pack of Natural Lite on the way and got it stuck in the frig in my room and and nice glass just like they are serving the beer in so... Never mind... Here's the real deal... Now GfinS says she/he/whatever ain't gonna give us her/his/whatever's plan because we are going to jump on the plan... Well, bring it on GfinS... You don't mind jumpin' on us so you should have the balls (or whatevers) to put your plan out there... BTW, does anyone remember that very early in the deal Obama met with the Republican caucus and asked them what they wanted to see in the plan??? The Repubs didn't offer squat... Nada... Zip... Nuthin'... Just like GfinS now... Nada... Zip... Nuthin'... They don't have a plan... Not one single plan other than this plan: do nothin' and criticise anyone who does something... That's their plan... That's GfinS's plan... Period... Well, I better get back to the conference room 'cause one of by buddies is going to give a dynomite presentation in a few minutes... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 04 May 12 - 09:40 PM Don Firth: "Some of the stuff that GfinS comes off with about "loony liberals" and President Obama sounds like it came from Livingston's "Personal Liberty Alerts." THIS may be one of the "reliable sources" he speaks about, while accusing the rest of us of passively allowing the "liberal media" to "brainwash" us." Never heard of him...Sorry, Try again. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Don Firth Date: 04 May 12 - 09:45 PM Well, if not that, then something along that line. I take it that you refuse to share this great source of truth so that no one else will ever be as smart and well-informed as you are. Or do you just make that stuff up? Don Firth P. S. Still no straight answers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 04 May 12 - 10:48 PM Take a 'red'...I'm putting it together. Jeez! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,TIA Date: 04 May 12 - 11:38 PM Holding my breath..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Don Firth Date: 05 May 12 - 01:04 AM Don't need a "red." Unlike some, apparently. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Date: 05 May 12 - 12:37 PM Boy, this is even better than roller derby. ;-) And it's on 24 hours a day too, every day. At no charge. What amazes me is...you people here are willing to do it for FREE! What a deal. For me, I mean. For the watcher, see? I keep hopin' no one here will "win"...or at least imagine that they did...cos that would bring it to an end. And then what would I do on my whisky and cigar breaks? So...let's see...where are we here? What dazzlin' revelations have poured forth from heated brows? TIA is holdin' his breath. Will he keel over soon from lack of air? Let's hope not. GfS is advisin' Don to "take a red". Don says he don't need one, but says GfS might. This seems unlikely since GfS is castin' Don as the one who needs one, but it's all a matter of opinion, right? Why watch the news or the prizefights when ya can watch the political threads on Mudcat? I don't get why the whole nation is not tunin' in here daily...and why Obama don't tune in here himself so he can find out what's really goin' on in the world from the people who KNOW. Ook! Ook! ;-D - Chongo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: Don Firth Date: 05 May 12 - 02:14 PM I'm just asking a simple question, Chongo. Maybe GfinS is too simple to have an answer. Just Checkin'. Don Firth P. S. Yuh know, Chongo, I know a Hindu holy man you might like to meet. He's known as Swami Havabanana. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Democrats Bailing out on Obamacare Etc From: GUEST,TIA Date: 05 May 12 - 05:50 PM How is the air way up there on high? |
