BS: Why

Subject: BS: Why
From: Raptor
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 07:26 AM

Is the BS section shrinking?

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: kendall
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 07:51 AM

Supply and demand?

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: Musket
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 08:24 AM

May I suggest Viagra?

Mind you, where argument is seen as contradiction and contradiction is seen as exhibiting troll like behaviour, no ruddy wonder its shrinking.

Mind you, one way of getting it fired up...

1. The 1954 folk definition is pretentious self serving crap.

2. Religion is superstition for keeping the masses in order.

3. Capitalism is why you are in a position to use a computer to spew out your Trot diatribe.

After that, you just stand back, having lit the blue touch paper.....

Easy.

Next!

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: catspaw49
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 08:30 AM

Yeah....Kendall is completely full of shit but you aren't asking him to unload are you Rap? That's YOUR fault! Don't go blaming anyone else. Be a man! Just say, "Kendall, you old broke-dick cowpie....Shit all over me! Go for it!"

Ya' gotta' bare your soul and also spread eagle naked........He'll dump a load all over you..................Plus, isn't Little Hawk a friend of yours? There's a guy who can really pump out the shit..........


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: Amos
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 09:14 AM

No lack of supply, then, so it must be demand has been unmanned.

For this, we can probably blame Spaw.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 09:47 AM

Hey! Kendall is a friend of mine, sorta. Why would I want to do that to him? I didn't even post here before this!

Spaw is obviously confused, it happens when you're as old as he is. I understand from the SE Ohio newspapers that he's been wandering around the parks again, stark naked, asking if he could "Please touchy your doggie's thingy." The police have brought him home several times and his family now has to keep him chained up -- which he doesn't seem to mind at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: gnu
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 09:54 AM

Not that you asked for a logicl explanation but... with the arrival of nice weather far less time is spent in front of the screen. If I wasn't tethered to the phone I'd be gone fishin.

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: frogprince
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 10:12 AM

"Gone Fishin'" (As sung by Saint Gene)

He's lazy, but he's lovable, we know him like a book
Anytime he can't be found, we know just where to look:

Gone fishin', there's a sign upon his door
Gone fishin', he ain't workin' anymore
There's his hoe out in the sun where he left a row half done
He said "hoein' ain't no fun", he ain't got no ambition
Gone fishin' by a shady wady pool
I'm wishin' I could be that kinda fool
I'd say no more work for mine on my door I'd hang a sign
Gone fishin' Instead of just a wishin'

Gone fishin'. . .see him snoozin' by a brook
Gone fishin'. . .didn't even bait his hook
There's his hound dog by his side fleas are bitin' at his hide
He won't scratch 'em he's to tired he ain't got no ambition
Gone fishin'. . .learnin' fishin' worms to swim
I'm wishin. . .he wuz me and I wuz him
Wish I had a plane to fly here's what I'd write in the sky
Gone' fishin'. . .instead of jest awishin'

Gone fishin'. . . he don't worry 'bout no wars
Gone fishin'. . .left his wife to do the chores
Cows need milkin' in the barn but he jest don't give a darn
See his fishin' pole is gone he's on a secret mission
Gone fishin'. . .out where peace has never died
I'm wishin'. . .all the world was by his side
Then our guns we'd throw away grab a fishin' pole and say
Gaone fishin'...instead of jest awhishin'

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: GUEST,999
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 10:40 AM

Nobody goes there anymore because it's too crowded.

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: catspaw49
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 11:32 AM

Could be true B...........But if people don't want to come here to BullShit, nobody's gonna stop 'em..........


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: GUEST,999
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 11:39 AM

Right on, P.

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 12:42 PM

I'm too busy not answering PM's

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: Megan L
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 12:56 PM

La-la-la-la-la-la
La-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la
La-la-la-la-la-la
La-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la

We're busy doin' nothin'
Workin' the whole day through
Tryin' to find lots of things not to do
We're busy goin' nowhere
Isn't it just a crime
We'd like to be unhappy, but
We never do have the time

I have to watch the river
To see that it doesn't stop
And stick around the rosebuds
So they'll know when to pop
And keep the crickets cheerful
They're really a solemn bunch
Hustle, bustle
And only an hour for lunch

La-la-la-la-la-la
La-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la
La-la-la-la-la-la
La-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la

We're busy doin' nothin'
Workin' the whole day through
Tryin' to find lots of things not to do
We're busy goin' nowhere
Isn't it just a crime
We'd like to be unhappy, but
We never do have the time

I have to wake the Sun up
He's liable to sleep all day
And then inspect the rainbows
So they'll be bright and gay
I must rehearse the songbirds
To see that they sing in key
Hustle, bustle
And never a moment free

We're busy doin' nothin'
Workin' the whole day through
Tryin' to find lots of things not to do
We're busy going nowhere
Isn't it just a crime
We'd like to be unhappy, but
We never do have the time

I have to meet a turtle
I'm teachin' him how to swim
Then I have to shine the dewdrops
You know they're looking rather dim
I told my friend, the robin
I'd buy him a brand new vest
Hustle, bustle
We never do have
We never do have
We never do, never do
Never do, never do, never do have the time
Never do have the time

All the site i got it from said was artist Bing Crosby

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 01:12 PM

Why? Well, partly because there is so overwhelmingly much political BS going on right now that it is numbing. Who can possibly type about 23 different types of insane Republican lies, distortions and just plain silly attacks on everything?

Why else? Because 72.461% of everyone who is addicted to 'interacting' has gone to Facebook and a couple similar places. *I* can't keep up with 4-5 times a day updates on Facebook. Here in Mudcat's BS, you can still FIND a topic you were discussing several days ago...or even week or months. Does anyone KNOW where old FB posts go?

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 01:18 PM

Does anyone care?

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: gnu
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 01:36 PM

Apparently, when I changed my Rogers account password (due to my email being hacked) my Facebook account was updated. Just one problem with that. I don't do Facebook.

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 01:39 PM

They go to the I -- the FBI.

Even historical threads degenerate into politics. I don't "do" political threads, I decided that a couple years ago. Yeah, I got a Facebook place but I only visit there if something is posted that I care to read.

If someone in the BS section manages to piss me off I'll leave the thread rather than find them and arrange for a timber to tap their top.

In the meantime I'll be around unless I decide it's time to leave.

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: GUEST,999
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 01:45 PM

"Does anyone KNOW where old FB posts go?"

They go to digital heaven, Bill. They think Facebook was the First Coming and they are helping arrange for the Second.

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 02:01 PM

Oh no, not again, I'm tired and I have a headache.

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: Megan L
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 02:04 PM

No john you are Retired and are a headache

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 02:25 PM

Some pains occur about 3 foot lower, pal.

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: GUEST,999
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 02:31 PM

Yer, right, John. In the hip . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 04:13 PM

Close, but no cigar Monica

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: Megan L
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 04:23 PM

Aye weel lad thats yer ain fault ye didny think a could kick that high

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: Janie
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 08:01 PM

1. No new blood and little younger blood on Mudcat.

Mudcat may be a bigger music resource than ever, but it is no longer quite the community it once was. BS got quite rancorous and I think it likely it discouraged many people visiting Mudcat, or perhaps even joining Mudcat for music reasons from participating below the line, which, really, is where the community aspect was built. Even above the line is increasingly rancorous, especially among the Brits.

Below the line, many of us are getting older, life is getting harder for a lot of people due to health or financial issues, job insecurity, etc. Many of us don't have time to play much, and have trouble finding our playful selves when we do have time. Mudcat below the line used to be a bit of a refuge for me. A place to come to be playful and to enjoy the play of others. Those kinds of threads got fewer and fewer. I, for one, am one of those who seem to have lost my sense of humor and wit - not that I was ever one of the delightful wits on Mudcat.

Mudcat used to be fun for me, and stimulating. I also used to be more fun and hopefully, more stimulating. I will say the D-day thread is one of the better threads below the line recently. People actually talking and listening respectfully, even if they disagree. Hope it lasts.

Max appears to be wearing out and losing his interest in herding cats who refuse to herd themselves, at least in terms of a social community on Mudcat.

I can't keep up with facebook, too complicated and overwhelming, but in truth, many of the cozy discussions and the wide ranging interests that folks used to engage in talk about on Mudcat now take place on facebook among people who met on Mudcat but have moved those conversations to facebook.

Change happens.

We ain't changing much except through the change brought about by entropy. I know my knee jerk reaction to some changes and experiments Max has tried on Mudcat has been resistance, and probably will continue to be, simply because as I get older these technological and sociological changes are leaving me behind. I can't keep up, and they seem threatening because I know if I can't keep up I will be left behind.

There is still a strong sense of social community among those of us who have been on Mudcat awhile. But we are a shrinking and not a particularly welcoming community anymore. I'm guessing Mudcat seems too limiting, closed and antiquated to attract younger users, which was already hard given our rather narrow focus on traditional forms of music.

We are becoming a dusty archive socially as well as musically. We are worth preserving for future generations, but perhaps only for researchers and social historians who will one day tell the history of social networking.

Ain't I cheerful?

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: gnu
Date: 15 Jun 12 - 08:04 PM

"No john you are Retired and are a headache"

Hahahahahaaheheheheheeee!!!!!! Thanks, I needed a good larf!

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: Raptor
Date: 17 Jun 12 - 01:56 PM

OH

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: Gurney
Date: 17 Jun 12 - 05:16 PM

Now, now, Janie! Those youngsters NEED guidance, in all sorts of ways. Raised to think that the sun shines from their orifice, argumentative online in a way that they'd never be face-to-face, lacking respect, callow and inexperienced..... ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Jun 12 - 05:25 PM

...wet behind the ears, green as grass, immature, undeveloped, newly hatched, guileless, naive, jejune, puerile, unripe, unsophisticated, unknowing....

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Jun 12 - 06:07 PM

Oh, wait a minute. That's me!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Jun 12 - 08:31 PM

Right wing twats have driven thinking people away.

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jun 12 - 10:00 PM

Folks just need more salad and less cheese in their diets... Fix everything in a jiffy...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Jun 12 - 11:20 PM

Bobbins: "Folks just need more salad and less cheese in their diets... Fix everything in a jiffy..."

...and less Kool-Aid!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 05:38 AM

It is quite a sudden change.
Does it correspond with the more active policy of closing threads that get heated?

Richard, are Lefties "driven away" because their arguments do not stand up when challenged, even by "twats" ?
Has the number of "right wing twats" increased significantly in recent months?

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 05:52 AM

The Middle East used to be a prime generator of BS.
This year has seen more violence and killing than ever before, with serious East/West confrontation and every possibility of regional warfare and the long feared Sunni/Shia showdown, but little interest on the forum.
As Rapator said, "Why?"

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 06:04 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 06:25 AM

Yes there seem to be more right wing twats.
No it is not that arguments of people of conscience do not stand up - it is the offensive nature of the right-wing propaganda spewed out.

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 06:32 AM

Being of the Centre I am aware of propaganda from both extremes.
I can only recall one far Right poster.
He was not a member, and he has been driven away.

In any case the Left can not claim to have been driven away from discussing the Middle East by Right wing twats.
There must be a more rational explanation.

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 06:38 AM

On the very recent Syria thread, the only "offensive" posts were from a far Left member.
thread.cfm?threadid=143239&messages=600&page=1&desc=yes

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 06:53 AM

Culture comes in waves and vogueish spasms - it's the Folk Law.

I was talking to a dapper chap o' a certain age recently at a service station who inquired as to why I had medieval chalk drawings on my fiddle case, when I told him I was off to play at a Folk Festival he looked aghast. They still have folk festivals? he said. I thought that was a 70s thing? I had to advise him to sit down before imparting the news that there were still Folk Clubs as well. Seems he'd been a casual folkie at Keele University in the early 70s and hadn't looked back since graduation in 1974. I don't suppose the Watersons are still going? he said.

Talking of vogueish spasms - I hear a lot about Folk Families these days, supposing they mean those Folky Parents who managed to nurture the Folk Gene in their offspring in their non-rebellious offspring thus establishing their authentic pure-blood micro-dynasties which probably began when said parents met as enthusiastic members of Keele University Folk Club circa 1973.

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 07:23 AM

Right wing twats have driven thinking people away.
The first invective of this discussion. Bravo!

Right wing twats have driven thinking people away.
Leaving just the right-wingers & any left-wingers who are not 'thinking people'.
A telling post!

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: catspaw49
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 07:34 AM

LOL @ Nigel

Spaw.....Non-thinking ex-Methodist

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 09:01 AM

Did I say "all" thinking people? That'll be a "no".

Keith, let me break it to you - you are further to the right in your political postings here than any person bar one I know in real life. Your political postings here are to the right of his. You appear to be well to the right of the current crop of conservatives, well to the right of the 1922 committee, and in many respects somewhere near UKIP - I accept your assertions that you reject certain other unmentionable right-wing parties even though you do seem to support some of their expressed policies for example on immigration and the relative merits of religions and the alleged health hazards of sexual orientation (or was that our resident Egyptian God-King?).

There appear to be several UK posters who accept and desire the top-down policies of the present government and reject all previous attempts to achieve justice for as many as possible. Some of these, ironically, are amongst those most harmed by conservative dogma and limitations on the national health.

There appear to be several US based posters who buy into the exploitative aspirations of rich republicans and some who seem to have been hoodwinked into militating against their own betterment.

Some of both seem to support Anglo-US colonialist militarism.

There are a number of music posters who militate against the ethos of the site in that they assert that folk music does not exist.

All in all, these things make this site a far less pleasant place to be - and I have had a number of others make similar points to me in real life.

I know of only one person who (some time back) ceased to visit because of left-leaning haranguing: he posted of his holiday intentions in Cyprus and got jumped on for supporting an unacceptable regime. I forget which of the two unacceptable regimes it was - the theocrats from the east or the Greek junta.

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 09:36 AM

There are a number of music posters who militate against the ethos of the site in that they assert that folk music does not exist.

The existence of Folk Music / Folklore depends on whether or not one accepts the prescriptions of the 1954 Definition which are born of a more right-wing way of looking at Popular Culture than left. In other words, it is supremely ironic that such Folkish notions come from the same ultra right-wing 'top-down policies' that the (admittedly mostly middle-class) Folk Scene has such an objection to.

In any case, denying the existence of the very feudal / bourgeois concept of 'Folk Music' is not the same thing as saying the old songs or the singers thereof didn't exist. Rather, it questions the overall patronising gloss of the Folk Revival whereby this essentially working-class material was harvested by the more romantically inclined members of the bourgeoisie intent upon the survival of the songs whilst disregarding the culture that created them in the first place.

My interest is in the Old Songs, Ballads and the Makers & Singers Thereof, rather than the subsequent taxidermy & taxonomy of the revival as such, for which I have much respect but reserve the right to question in the light of such books as (say) Fake Song and The Imagined Village which tell it like it was. As a bona-fide-working-class-anarcho-socialist-neo-Gnostic-Marxist-free-improvising-medievalist-who-sings-old-folk-songs-from-old-folk-sources I am too aware of the cultural contradictions, and would hope I'm not alone in such a viewpoint, but wouldn't be overly bothered if I was.

At the end of the day it's all a matter of personal opinion, passion and experience rather than anything too absolute...

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 09:44 AM

Gosh. Which does not stand for "Good sense of humour".

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 10:50 AM

That's GSOH, shurely?

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 10:58 AM

I recall a guy named Gsoh Shurely. Very lonely fellow. No one ever called him because no one could figure out how to say his name.

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 05:06 PM

Richard, you must be confusing me with someone else.
My politics are of the Centre, and on many issues Left of Centre.
My views on immigration are those espoused by all the mainstream parties at the last election, i.e that the current level is not sustainable.
I have NEVER posted anything more "Right" than that.

If you can find something, or anything, you will have a grovelling apology and my resignation from this forum.

Please check and report back Richard.

It is my belief that you of the far Left assume that anyone who challenges your extreme views must be an extremist themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 05:11 PM

relative merits of religions and the alleged health hazards of sexual orientation

Richard, I am a member of the C Of E.
That does not make me Right Wing!

I did post that gay men are at greater risk of STIs than any other group ecpept possible IV drug abusers.
That is a simple fact and not political at all!

Subject: RE: BS: Why
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 18 Jun 12 - 05:36 PM

Has anyone said "because" yet?

- Chongo