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BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun

GUEST,olddude 16 Aug 12 - 11:50 AM
Bill D 16 Aug 12 - 11:43 AM
Megan L 16 Aug 12 - 09:59 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 16 Aug 12 - 11:50 AM

John
the training aspect is a sore subject to me ... It all depends on the state. some states it is nothing more than a 2 hour class. Other states like mine it is far more substantial. Many states do not require anything more than a criminal background check. Mine will also look at the mental health of the person requiring or at least they say they do. That is why there really needs to be a federal standard ...some states it is so easy and others it is so hard .. Me I think at least 100 hours on the range min would be a good requirement with a certified instructor just to make sure people really know how to control and handle a weapon.


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Aug 12 - 11:43 AM

John P. ..I would happily vote for almost all of your proposals, except for amending those which implicitly contradict others:

IF someone passes all the stringent requirements and need to have a carry permit, it is not reasonable to say:
"No guns at all within a mile of a school,"
"No guns in public parks."
"No guns on public transportation."

So... amendments to cover those situations.

And...hmmm... ALL drugs should be legal? No...sorry. Maybe pot, on a 2 year test basis....then we'll discuss others. But several illegal drugs do such violent thing to body & mind that even reducing crime may not justify it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: Megan L
Date: 16 Aug 12 - 09:59 AM

Matthew 26:52


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: John P
Date: 16 Aug 12 - 09:41 AM

I'd like to get people's ideas about the definition of "responsible gun owner". I hear lots of people saying responsible gun owners want or believe this or that, and it strikes me that if we could come up with a reasonable definition we might be able to have a better discussion about what should or shouldn't be illegal.

I posted a list of laws I'd like to see enacted, but haven't seen any responses to them. Maybe we should take them one at a time.

gnu, olddude, do you think that having thorough training is part of the definition of being a responsible gun owner? Should we require it? Taken from the other side, is it irresponsible to not require gun owners to be trained in the safe use of guns?


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Aug 12 - 02:36 AM

I though Nare was a product that women used to remove hair on their legs....

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: GUEST,999
Date: 15 Aug 12 - 11:56 PM

What does NARE mean?


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Aug 12 - 08:12 PM

YOU NARE AN ANONYMOUS TROLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Aug 12 - 08:02 PM

YOU NARE A SICK COUNTRY


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Aug 12 - 05:51 PM

The fact that he was carrying the gun in his pocket rather than in a reliable holster, and that obviously the safety was off or it would not have discharged accidentally (which is what the safety is there to prevent), more than amply demonstrates that the fellow was a couple of Chicken McNuggets short of a Happy Meal.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: Jack Campin
Date: 15 Aug 12 - 03:53 PM

History repeats itself, first as tragedy, secondly as farce:

Reno concealed gun carrier shoots himself in the bum in a cinema


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: gnu
Date: 14 Aug 12 - 04:34 PM

John P... "Are you saying that guns shoot flowers that send pretty scents wafting gently into the nostrils of the targets?"

Ahhhh, are you on drugs?

"Perhaps you are saying that none of the recent murderous whackos used guns to commit their murders?"

Ahhhh, you really shouldn't take drugs that mess up your mind that badly.

"How many would have died had the guy in Colorado walked into that theater with a chair?"

Seriously, give up the drugs eh.

"Ok, even if he had a machete?"

I hope you are not paying a lot for your drugs.

"One of the reasons the "anti-gun nuts" get sort of riled up is because of the type of insulting comments you make. You come across as irrational, which is not what you want people thinking about you while you are advocating gun ownership. The anger and derogative speech you are displaying on this topic should probably be taken into account while we are deciding whether or not to issue you a gun license. If you can't keep your cool, you shouldn't own a gun."

You really should read ALL my posts on ALL the gun threads OR at least on this thread. Fact is, most antis just keep posting the same old bullshit (like you just did) and never get to work. It's people like YOU that I aim my "language" at BECAUSE talking nice and logical did not work for me in the past. Insulting comments? Bullshit... those comments are the truth and if you are too pussy to take it you deserve what you get. To reiterate... stop being such pussies and wasting your and everyone else's time and DO something to get the job done or shut the fuck up.

Am I talkin to a fuckin wall? I tell you how you are fuckin up and why, thereby, the NRA is winning. I tell you how to defeat them. Yet, you do the EXACT SAME THING YET AGAIN by the post I quote that allows the NRA to beat your ass. My "anger and derogative speech" are not the problem... YOU are the problem. Only YOU can fix that problem and shittin on me because I am pissed about you pussies moanin and whinin and not gettin the job done is just... stunned as me arse.

Oh, yeah... YOU deciding if I can own a gun? Fuck you. You can't even get yer shit together and take on the NRA. Like I'd want you backin me up in a fight??? or allow YOU to tell me if I can have a gun? I might be a little abrasive in my language and demeanour when I gotta put up with bullshit but you can't even see that I am on your side. THAT tells me a lot about YOUR intelligence and demeanour.


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: Stu
Date: 14 Aug 12 - 01:14 PM

Poor, scared chap. Best not let him come here to the UK or Ireland, he'd be blasting everything in sight when the banter starts.

There's a man that needs help, lost all sense of perspective and is obviously very frightened and you've let him have a gun. Stone the crows.


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Aug 12 - 01:00 PM

You note he thanked "the lord Jesus Christ" that he didn't get assaulted by those scary folks....who were only suggesting he attend the rodeo. I do wonder what THEY would have said if he had had a weapon!

"Help...the paranoids are after me!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: bobad
Date: 14 Aug 12 - 08:17 AM

Good thing this guy didn't have his piece:

Canadians mock U.S. tourist who complained about not being able to carry a gun


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: John P
Date: 10 Aug 12 - 11:34 PM

Jumping up and down and saying guns kill people is stunned as me arse but they still do it...

Are you saying that guns shoot flowers that send pretty scents wafting gently into the nostrils of the targets? Perhaps you are saying that none of the recent murderous whackos used guns to commit their murders? How many would have died had the guy in Colorado walked into that theater with a chair? Ok, even if he had a machete?

One of the reasons the "anti-gun nuts" get sort of riled up is because of the type of insulting comments you make. You come across as irrational, which is not what you want people thinking about you while you are advocating gun ownership. The anger and derogative speech you are displaying on this topic should probably be taken into account while we are deciding whether or not to issue you a gun license. If you can't keep your cool, you shouldn't own a gun.


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: John P
Date: 10 Aug 12 - 11:22 PM

Those of us that are trained will, the best that we can, prevent another if we are around and protect our kids . . .

I'd love it if the only people who had guns were people who were trained to use them.

Here's the gun laws I would like to see. I don't think it makes me an anti-gun nut or an idiot:

Gun owners should have to have extensive training and need a license in order to own any type of gun.

Extensive background checks for anyone applying for gun license.

Even more extensive background checks for anyone applying for a concealed-carry permit. The permit should have to be renewed every year, with a new background check. No pertinent information about someone's mental stability should be off limits.

You should have to show a reason for carrying a concealed weapon, and "self protection" shouldn't be sufficient reason. My preference would be for no concealed carry at all. Why should I have to put up with a bunch of yahoos with guns in their pockets? (I'm not saying all gun owners are yahoos. I'm saying that any yahoo can get a concealed-carry permit and I think that's really dumb).

If your gun falls into the hands of a child, you lose the right to own a gun and you go to jail for a really long time.

No guns at all within a mile of a school, even if that's where your house is. Live somewhere else.

No guns in public parks.

No guns on public transportation.

Being in possession of a gun while drunk should cause you to lose your gun license.

Any violently threatening remark should cause you to lose your gun license.

Membership in a hate group should cause you lose your gun license.

Gun shows should be illegal.

A private individual selling a gun to another private individual should be illegal.

All drugs should be legal. Let's take away one of the main reasons for gang violence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: gnu
Date: 10 Aug 12 - 08:11 PM

Bill D... whoa there buddy. yer startin ta sound like "them".

"Sorry, but that sounds like just a slogan rather than logic, to me. How's that working out around the world where they have corrupt governments?"

Slogan? Don't sound like a slogan to me. That is in response to the anti-gun nuts saying that the NRA owns the government and, THEREBY, the anti-gun nuts. If the NRA is bad, get rid of it... oh, yeah, the anti's can't because even tho they far outnumber the NRA they are fuckin pussies who couldn't organize an orgy in a whorehouse with a hand full of hundred dollar bills and a half dozen drunk sailors... give me a fuckin break eh!

As far as corrupt governments around the world... seems to me ther is a whole lotta shooting goin on at this very moment. Let's see... Egypt, Libya, Syria... dictators being ousted every day lately... by the barrel of a gun. Is that a bad thing, Bill?

"Will "rocket science" tell you exactly who & what to USE those guns on?"

No. Don't need it. Got common sense. I thought that was common sense???

"Is the alternative to "keeping your government from being corrupt enough to be a problem" just allowing crazy, angry idiots to keep shooting up theaters and schools?"

What? I just dunno what the question or the implicatiion is. Is there not a double negative in there that I don't understand when I try to understand what I think you might have asked/said/offered/proffered/whateverthefuck?


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Aug 12 - 02:17 PM

"If your government is that corrupt, you NEED your guns. That ain't rocket science either, is it?"

Sorry, but that sounds like just a slogan rather than logic, to me. How's that working out around the world where they have corrupt governments?

Will "rocket science" tell you exactly who & what to USE those guns on?

Is the alternative to "keeping your government from being corrupt enough to be a problem" just allowing crazy, angry idiots to keep shooting up theaters and schools?


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: olddude
Date: 10 Aug 12 - 01:09 PM

Gnu, you are absolutely right. No one wants sensible gun laws then those of us who own the things and carry. It is the exact reason we own them and carry them, because we don't have sensible gun laws without all the loopholes. So as long as it is very easy for someone to commit terrible crimes like in Colorado. Those of us that are trained will, the best that we can, prevent another if we are around and protect our kids that just want to go to a damn movie without a nut fuck trying to blow them away. And me, my youngest is home for a visit, I took her out and she cut a clover leaf with my glock. Which is now hers. Her response, you must have did the trigger job ... sweet


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: gnu
Date: 09 Aug 12 - 08:26 PM

I rest my case. FIRST post in respose... partially quoted out of context and told that I don't know what I am talking about and that the only solution is total acceptance that anyone who owns a gun is, and I quote, "...sick, despicable and disgusting."

Yeah, right. You are the reason the NRA will win. What the fuck did you NOT read in my post? I thought I made it VERY clear. Intelligent and educated people CAN prevail but that kinda shit makes it difficult for any progress to be made. If you stop...

Ohhh, fuck it. So many threads. So much discussion in every nook and cranny of the US and around the world. So many self-righteous do-gooders who can't even take the time to actually think about what someone else tries to explain to them in SIMPLE terms... well, then yer fucked. Unfortunately, as long as you keep fucking yerself, yer allowing horrible gun crimes to continue... nay, ABETTING these crimes. Give yer head(s) a shake and see if they rattle. And stop acting like children. The NRA doesn't act like children. THAT is why they are besting you.

You anti-gun nuts have nobody to blame but yourselves. Take yer holier than thou unsubstantiated bullshit and shove it where the sun don't shine. Join responsible gun owners in the quest for good gun laws or shut the fuck up. On accounta we fear millions (???) of you "supposedly sane" nutcases far more than we fear ONE insane nutcase with a gun (that YOU allowed him to have according to your OWN arguements) in a theatre. Yes... we do... I thought I made that clear when I said anti-gun nuts were thwarting legislation that would be in their best interests.

Goodness gracious! What the hell am I doing on yet another gun thread? I must be stunned as me arse trying to talk common sense
to those with none caused by their preoccupation with... ahem... gnightgnu

PS.. don't bother to ask, even by PM. Just do the right thing and stop acting like children, or shut the fuck up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 09 Aug 12 - 08:09 PM

Jack is probably right.

Meanwhile, a CNN poll reports that 13% of Americans want *no* restrictions on guns whatsoever.

37% want "minimal restrictions."

10% want guns outlawed.

40% want "major restrictions."

The figures are essentially unchanged from a year ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 Aug 12 - 06:48 PM

an organized effort by intelligent people cannot defeat the gun lobby

It can't. The only thing that will defeat it is a massive cultural shift - a general acceptance by the American public (NOT just the intelligentsia) that anybody who buys a gun and keeps it at home, buying ammo for it, training with it, planning all the time for how to kill people and animals with it, is sick, despicable and disgusting. Down there with the worst kind of sexual perverts.

This is not a matter of intellectual judgment. What we need is for people to wake up and get a sense of moral revulsion.

Law is a product of culture, it doesn't determine it. It's a complete waste of effort trying to change American gun law directly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: gnu
Date: 09 Aug 12 - 06:16 PM

"... white supremacist punk-rock is big, really big, in America's hinterlands."

Rich people do not recruit paid killers on Ivy League campuses as that would not be cost effective. Besides, the rich kids couldn't tell which way is east on a sunny morning and couldn't hit the side of a barn from 50 feet with a load of SSG and an 18 inch open cylinder.

Yes, that was kinda condescending wasn't it? But, only us gun nuts will understand. That's all the more reason for us gun nuts to stand up and grab the bullshit by the horns and get the job done. Fact is, as I have said COUNTLESS times in these ENDLESS and USELESS threads, the anti-gun nuts are shooting themselves AND THE RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERS WHO WANT CHANGE in the foot because they just don't understand all of the issues. Jumping up and down and saying guns kill people is stunned as me arse but they still do it... and it gets them nowhere and fucks up the efforts of responsible gun owners who are trying to get SOMEwhere.

THIS thread (and allll of the rest of the threads over the yearssss here at Mudcat) is a microcosm of what goes on in the US on a national basis with regard to the gun PROBLEMS and legislation which CAN solve most of these problems. BIG PROBLEMS. But, the biggest problem that has to be overcome in moving forward is to get the anti-gun nuts to get themselves educated and get themselves organised so that they don't sound like a bunch of just plain stunned as me arse pie-in-the-sky little school girls in a fuckin beauty pageant wishing for world peace.

There. I said it. Smarten the fuck up. Get educated. Get organized. Quit bitching and moaning. Get the job done. If you ain't got the smarts or the balls to do it... get the fuck out of the way and stop thwarting the efforts of responsible gun owners to get the job done... they are on YOUR side and you haven't done anything realistic to get your job done or to help responsible gun owners get your job done.

It ain't fuckin rocket science. The only reason that gun laws in the US have not been revised to address these BIG problems in the last thirty years is directly attributable to the anti-gun nuts. Like I said, ya can't just jump up and down and say guns kill people. Ya just CAN'T. And don't give me that horse shit about the $NRA$. If your government is that corrupt, you NEED your guns. That ain't rocket science either, is it?

Don't tell me that an organized effort by intelligent people cannot defeat the gun lobby. If you say it, you are by no means intelligent or you have no balls or both.

One last thing. I been shootin since I was 5 years old (read alll the threadssss I have posted to). That's 50 years. I am appalled by the gun crimes. BUT, if I had to choose between the gun nuts and the anti-gun nuts right this very minute... praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. Until you anti-gun nuts get educated, get organised and get a fuckin brain in yer collective heads the gun nuts are gonna prevail and that don't sit well with responsible gun owners like me. Come on eh? Get serious, get educated, get real, get organised, get the fuckin job done... or at least get out of the fuckin way.


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: olddude
Date: 09 Aug 12 - 04:39 PM

Janie
you busted me, I am DB Cooper !!
sorry thread drift, go back to arguing
:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Aug 12 - 02:25 PM

In the UK news about anything that matters has been squeezed out of the papers, or at least way back inside, by the hysteria about the Olympics.

If Peter Laban's suggestion about white people feeling less personally at risk when far right white terrorists are involved is true, they might do well to reflect that neither Anders Breivik nor Tim McVeigh particularly targetted ethnic minorities.


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 09 Aug 12 - 09:29 AM

I doubt it's that cynical, as well as the uncomfortable notion society has allowed these hate groups to blossom, there's the notion   this attack not being as seemingly 'random' as the cinema shooting and certainly less of the feeling that there would have been a chance of one self (or friends/family) running the risk of meeting a shooter like that. Unless one is a Sikh ofcourse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 09 Aug 12 - 09:21 AM

From where I sit, the outrage is comparable but much of the emotion has been drained off by two weeks of thinking about the other guy.

And since he's still alive, there will be more attention directed to him.

BTW, according to CNN, white supremacist punk-rock is big, really big, in America's hinterlands. Kids without the attention span to read a hate leaflet groove to the violent lyrics, then head for the website.


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Aug 12 - 08:45 AM

Interesting that the slaughter of Sikhs hasn't stirred the same horror that Aurora did.

Hey, its not like they were white folks, Jack, even in the "post-racist" U.S. of A. the wingnuts keep prating about.

Besides, they're all probably secret Muslims anyway. Didn't you see the towels they wear on their heads? That'll show 'em to try imposing sharia law on us.


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Aug 12 - 08:19 AM

Good article, Peter...

The Souther Poverty Law Center which tracks right winged hate groups says the number of such groups has tripled over the last 3 1/2 years...

Hmmmmmmmm??? Same period of time that we have had a black president...

But let's get serious here... The Republican Party has all but cheered this development... When people were allowed to yell "hang him" in regards to Barak Obama at Sarah Palin rallies and not called on it by the party that sent out a strong message that hate was just okay with them... That was irresponsible... Then you had Allen West claiming that that most of the Democrats in the House of Representatives were communists... And the "Hell no, we won't"... And, and...

No, I'm not putting all this on the Repubs but I am putting their lack of courage and tacit approval on them...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 09 Aug 12 - 06:22 AM

I imagine that for one, it's much more uncomfortable to have a right wing extremist who represents a strong , growing and   violent ideology. Not so easily dismissed as the lone 'whacked out guy'.

Article


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: Stu
Date: 09 Aug 12 - 04:03 AM

Interesting that the slaughter of Sikhs hasn't stirred the same horror that Aurora did.


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Aug 12 - 10:56 PM

ummmm... "if nominated, I will not run...if elected, I will not serve."
They make you lisen to boring briefings and wake you up at night.

Now..Emperor of the Universe? That's different.


wait...maybe that's what "benevolent dictator" IS!


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Aug 12 - 08:07 PM

No, BillD for benevolent dictator...

B;~)


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: Janie
Date: 08 Aug 12 - 07:46 PM

but olddude did, just a few days ago....and I apologize for the thread drift.

Bill D for president!


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Aug 12 - 07:09 PM

None of my clients, to the best of my knowledge, ever jumped out airplanes... I'd get a car full once a month straight outta a state mental hospital that was more like a prison... It was all part of de-institutionalization (read my lips, cuts in funding for mental health)... I mean, some severely messed up people being released and still be released because of money??? And these folks have all but unfettered access to some very dangerous weapons???

Beam me up, Scotty...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: Janie
Date: 08 Aug 12 - 06:23 PM

Crazy enough to jump out of an airplane!


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: olddude
Date: 08 Aug 12 - 01:02 PM

So how crazy do I have to be to end up on Janie's therapy couch .. I am there .. you cutie

LOL

love ya


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 08 Aug 12 - 01:02 PM

""That would be terribly cruel to game animals. If I was one ton moose, I'd shove my antlers up yer""

How many cops use hunting rifles on patrol, and how many moose are dispatched by police specials, Mr Wildebeeste?

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 10:23 PM

Just to back up what Janie has said... When I was a social worker and dealing with a case load that was heavy on the wacko side (politically incorrect) we "green warrants" as our tool... Problems is that magistrates and judges weren't all that wild about issuing them... We, as s social workers could could all but get on our knees and beg but...

...unless the trigger had been pulled the magistrates and judges would turn us down 90% of the time...

I fear that things haven't changed much since those days... Probably worse...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: Janie
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 09:38 PM

Lighter, the laws regarding "duty to warn" on the part of licensed mental health professionals vary from state to state, and I don't know what the laws are in Colorado. In most states, mental health professionals, clinics and agencies often walk a legal and ethical tightrope. One end of the rope is firmly attached to very strong legal restrictions regarding release or disclosure and the therapeutic relationship between the individual and a behavioral health provider. The other end is attached to legal and ethical mandates (that vary considerably) regarding either "duty to warn" or "psychiatric or medical emergency."

You can bet that cases such as this get the attention and lead to intense discussion and analysis among behavioral health professionals because there is rarely a clear line about when one end of the pole trumps the other, and especially no clear demarcation about where the tipping point may be. I've done crisis work for a lot of years, am really effective and experienced at it, and still sweat bullets, both regarding the safety of patients and others, and also about liability issues, no matter how many times I walk that tightrope.

Contrary to popular belief, behavioral health professionals do not have crystal balls, and can not read minds.

From the very limited amount of information I have, sounds like the psychiatrist exercised her "duty to warn" under whatever the Tarasoff statutes are in Colorado. The school committee to which she reported may have been legally constrained from further disclosure once Holmes withdrew from the school. As I said before, I don't know the mental health laws in Colorado, and certainly know nothing about Holmes, so my observations really aren't worth much.

We each have to decide for ourselves the costs and benefits of the personal vs the costs and benefits of the greater good or greater safety. I have had to do so. I have experienced personal harm and personal injustice as the result of laws or regulations that valued social justice or social safety over individual justice or individual safety. May there always be a legal tension between the two! Be that as it may, when the over-all costs to our society of our very liberal gun laws is weighed against the personal safety that may be afforded, fewer guns are in the public interest. It is not possible to pass laws that make it legal for only the likes of civilians like you to carry concealed weapons, or to own semi-automatic or automatic weapons.


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: olddude
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 09:14 PM

well how do we tell a good guy from a bad guy who thinks he is good. We do that everyday. With our Police who are carrying weapons. With the chef that cooks our food when we go out to dinner. With the teacher who educates our kids ... ya gotta trust someone sometime


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 06:07 PM

Either he knew he was a bad guy, or he thought he was one of the good guys.

That explains it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 05:47 PM

He's in custody,,,,Columbus, Ohio....He had a 9mm and several knives. Many more weapons at home....rifles, shotguns, survivalist gear.


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 05:16 PM

more 'incidents' related to theater scares

and CNN is reporting that another guy was caught inside a theater with a weapon. He arrived 30 min. early and sat in back row. The manager and an off-duty cop were suspicious and confronted him. He claimed he was there "to protect" folks. They didn't buy it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 02:40 PM

Of course, if she then called the police herself, that might have made any committee meeting unnecessary.


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 02:10 PM

Were they so dumb as to think, "Well, we're legally and morally off the hook if he goes nuts, because he isn't connected with the university any more"?

But maybe there's a perfectly logical and innocent explanation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 01:34 PM

threat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 01:33 PM

Wow! That makes it looks worse, it looks like when he dropped out of school. The school decided to ignore the treat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 01:29 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/07/lynne-fenton-james-holmes_n_1751057.html?utm_hp_ref=canada

Seems like the UC psychiatrist also called a meeting of the university's "threat assessment team," but it never convened.


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Subject: RE: BS: Another wacked out guy with a gun....
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 01:13 PM

Two NPR headlines today.

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Psychiatrist Contacted Police About Colo. Shooting Suspect, Media Report

Reports: Man ID'd As Wisconsin Killer Had Previously Been On FBI's Radar

You can't make this crap up.

The Police said the Psychiatrist didn't fill out the proper paper work. The FBI says it did not have enough evidence to investigate. SIGH!!


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