BS: Israel condemned by UN

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 May 13 - 01:22 AM

What do they tell us Don?
That Israel massacres civilians?
Of course not.
That it commits war crimes?
No.
That it is the middle of a violent region and has do what it can to safeguard its people?
Yes, and sometimes wrong decisions are made by individuals and by government, and that is true of any country.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 26 May 13 - 06:05 AM

""but I put more weight on the opinion of someone who comes from within the society of which they speak rather than some bigoted old folkies on an internet forum.""

On that point, we can agree!

Which is why we have published accounts fom B'tselem, sundry Israeli soldiers, Israeli Human Rights organisations, and of course Canadian Hospital staff who were trying to repair the shattered bodies of Gaza civilians, while the shit was flying during IDF rampages.

These, of course, were not opinion, but eye witness accounts of victims, perpetrators, and those whose job is picking up the piesces and putting them together again.

You ignored, or denied those accounts, calling the witnesses liars, bogots and antisemites.

So much for ""I put more weight on the opinion of someone who comes from within the society of which they speak"".

Just as dishonest as all the rest of your stuff.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Stringsinger
Date: 25 May 13 - 06:17 PM

bobad, I have spoken to many Jews in my life. Actually, I come from a long line of Jews on my mother's side. I know about propaganda and have been exposed to it for many years. I know how opinionated Jews can be on some issues. But Norman Finkelstein is a Jew who I deeply respect. Also, I believe that Naomi Klein has a Jewish heritage. Netanyahu needs to have a message sent to him by the boycott, disinvestment and sanction movement. They are the true defenders of Israel.

They know more about Israel then any of the pro-Israel pundits here.

I don't hear anything coming from these "authorities" that offer any solution to
the Palestine/Israeli conflict. Most of what they have to say is in denial of what is actually going on over there. The whitewashed speeches delivered by occasional speakers do not constitute a solution to the Mid-east problems.

Here's a solution. Give either Palestine its own nation or let Jews and Palestinians share equally politically in Israel. I don't see any pro-Israel pundits accepting anything like this. I think there are those who really enjoy fighting and accept the bloodshed that goes on day after day between the two countries.

The prognosis for the continuation of the State of Israel as it stands now is bleak.

World opinion is against her. It's a shame because at one time in Israel's history, Zionism, based on a socialist model was just and fair to the people who lived along side of them. Then Zionism became an expansionist movement and today is warlike and oppressive.

Actually, I would prefer to see real peace in the region including Israel. I don't hate Israel but just as in America, I think some terribly wrong decisions have been made. One has been seeking military solutions to animosities. The Irgun and Mossad are Israel's worst enemies. Netanyahu may be the G.W. Bush of Israel.

Things can only get worse by hard-nosed policies on both sides.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: GUEST
Date: 25 May 13 - 05:32 PM

Thank you Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 May 13 - 02:51 PM

A true ally is one who will fight alongside you.
The Commonwealth had not ally prior to 42 despite the supplies.
Even Israel's supplies were not forthcoming until almost too late in 72.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: bobad
Date: 25 May 13 - 01:29 PM

"Is there any likelihood of you ever learning the difference between an opinion (without supporting evidence), which the above is,..."

It's all opinion Don, mine, yours, Jim's, Keith's, everyone's and evidence can be found to support anyone's opinion but I put more weight on the opinion of someone who comes from within the society of which they speak rather than some bigoted old folkies on an internet forum.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 25 May 13 - 12:59 PM

""He got no allies to really speak of
What he gets he must pay for, he don't get it out of love
He buys obsolete weapons and he won't be denied
But no one sends flesh and blood to fight by his side
He's the neighborhood bully""

I was quite impressed by your poem until I got to the above, rather dishonest verse.

Allies don't come much bigger than the USA, and Israel is the biggest producer and exporter of cutting edge high tech arms in the Middle East. as well as the only nuclear power in the area.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 25 May 13 - 12:45 PM

""The persecution of Christians and other minorities is not getting the attention it deserves from the mainstream media, she said, adding that only a Muslim like her can get away with criticizing Islamic societies without being castigated as a bigot.

Israel does not fit the description of an apartheid state and instead, the media ignores the real problem, which is in the Muslim world, she said.""

Is there any likelihood of you ever learning the difference between an opinion (without supporting evidence), which the above is, and an eye witness account corroborated by other witnesses, which the above most definitely is not.

Standard among our apologist group, equating apples with house bricks.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 25 May 13 - 01:35 AM

Aye, it's a true song.

Mac and Shanahan 

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 25 May 13 - 01:06 AM

Well Happy Birthday! You're my boy. We have been around as long or longer than any people on earth. The Christian co-opted us, oddly enough it was not good for us. Then we get a new enemy, one that wants to turn our whole value system on it's ear.

You know what? Israel is a woman. You beat her one too many times, you wake up in a burning bed. No apologies.

But then what would I know? I was rooting for the IRA. From a distance.

Distance. Makes it all so easy to be opinionated.

I sat shiva for the 13th soldier. Peace will come.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: GUEST,The Birthday Boy
Date: 24 May 13 - 12:36 PM

Well, the neighborhood bully, he's just one man
His enemies say he's on their land
They got him outnumbered about a million to one
He got no place to escape to, no place to run
He's the neighborhood bully

The neighborhood bully just lives to survive
He's criticized and condemned for being alive
He's not supposed to fight back, he's supposed to have thick skin
He's supposed to lay down and die when his door is kicked in
He's the neighborhood bully

The neighborhood bully been driven out of every land
He's wandered the earth an exiled man
Seen his family scattered, his people hounded and torn
He's always on trial for just being born
He's the neighborhood bully

Well, he knocked out a lynch mob, he was criticized
Old women condemned him, said he should apologize.
Then he destroyed a bomb factory, nobody was glad
The bombs were meant for him. He was supposed to feel bad
He's the neighborhood bully

Well, the chances are against it and the odds are slim
That he'll live by the rules that the world makes for him
'Cause there's a noose at his neck and a gun at his back
And a license to kill him is given out to every maniac
He's the neighborhood bully

He got no allies to really speak of
What he gets he must pay for, he don't get it out of love
He buys obsolete weapons and he won't be denied
But no one sends flesh and blood to fight by his side
He's the neighborhood bully

Well, he's surrounded by pacifists who all want peace
They pray for it nightly that the bloodshed must cease
Now, they wouldn't hurt a fly. To hurt one they would weep
They lay and they wait for this bully to fall asleep
He's the neighborhood bully

Every empire that's enslaved him is gone
Egypt and Rome, even the great Babylon
He's made a garden of paradise in the desert sand
In bed with nobody, under no one's command
He's the neighborhood bully

Now his holiest books have been trampled upon
No contract he signed was worth what it was written on
He took the crumbs of the world and he turned it into wealth
Took sickness and disease and he turned it into health
He's the neighborhood bully

What's anybody indebted to him for?
Nothin', they say. He just likes to cause war
Pride and prejudice and superstition indeed
They wait for this bully like a dog waits to feed
He's the neighborhood bully

What has he done to wear so many scars?
Does he change the course of rivers? Does he pollute the moon and stars?
Neighborhood bully, standing on the hill
Running out the clock, time standing still
Neighborhood bully

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 May 13 - 11:42 AM

Liberals have been used as shock troops to destroy the present political system

Thanks for the answer, Beardy - delusion and hallucination it is.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 May 13 - 10:21 AM

No, greggie boy,

I am saying that after you Liberals have been used as shock troops to destroy the present political system, you will be removed as being too dangerous to remain around- can't have the "Perfect System" you are supporting at risk of further change, or being held accountable for the results that it generates.


Maybe history is too subtle for you to understand...

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 May 13 - 10:16 AM

So Beardy, now you're equating liberals & progressives and the political situation in the US of A with Russia in 1917-1918, and who survived of the Red leaders?

Are you really that delusional, or are you simply spreading horseshit around as per usual?

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 May 13 - 10:11 AM

Not that the Anti-Israeli bigots will bother to read this, but from the same article:

"Ahmed is a British sleep-disorder specialist working in New York State, whose parents came from Pakistan after moving there from India.

She visited Israel for the first time and gave a lecture at the symposium on Wednesday evening dealing with radicalization and minority persecution in the Islamic world.

The rise of political Islam that has been particularly pronounced as a result of the Arab uprisings is a threat to minorities and to Muslims who do not agree with the ascendent radical ideology, Ahmed said.

The persecution of Christians and other minorities is not getting the attention it deserves from the mainstream media, she said, adding that only a Muslim like her can get away with criticizing Islamic societies without being castigated as a bigot.

Israel does not fit the description of an apartheid state and instead, the media ignores the real problem, which is in the Muslim world, she said.

Illustrating this point, she said that it was only when she went to enter al-Aksa Mosque that she was asked to prove she was a Muslim in order to enter. She did so by reciting the shahada – the Muslim declaration of faith, that states there is one God and that Muhammad is his prophet.

"This is the first time I gave this talk in the Middle East and the only place in the region where I can give this talk and go home afterwards," Ahmed said. She added that the boycott of next month's President's Conference in Jerusalem by British scientist Stephen Hawking is misplaced as he never boycotted Pakistan despite its deplorable human rights record, including its persecution of minorities.

Dr. Michael Widlanski, an Arab-affairs expert and lecturer at Bar-Ilan University in Ramat Gan, also spoke, asserting that modern Muslim society is more intolerant than in antiquity. He said that because Muslims see the failure of the Islamic world when compared to the power and technology of the West, they look for scapegoats and this often affects relations with minorities.

He faulted US President Barack Obama for trying to charm the Islamic world along with America's enemies, just as he does with his country's voters. Widlanski explained that Middle Eastern culture puts importance on honor and shame, which can be used as tools in pressuring Arab governments.

Ahmed discussed her experience working in Saudi Arabia – the topic of her book, In the Land of Invisible Women: A Female Doctor's Journey in the Saudi Kingdom, which documented the rampant anti-Semitism in the country and lack of women's rights.

She said that Muslims she encountered saw Jewish intellectual prowess as particularly irritating.

Ahmed said that her writings have caused problems for her when traveling to Muslim countries and some have gotten angry and broken off contact with her.

Pakistan is particularly dangerous, she said. On her last visit she went as a doctor, not an author, and was surrounded by numerous military guards at all times.

It is the radical Islamic ideology that has "corrupted" Islam as it was practiced throughout history, said Ahmed, adding that the "the Muslim Brotherhood is a fictional manifestation of Islam."

To think that the golden age of Islam can be returned through jihad, subordination and a war on secularism, is a "distorted religion," she stated.

Radical Islam can be both violent and nonviolent, she asserted, and many feel that as long as there is no overt violence, these organizations are legitimate, referring to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, which rules without resorting to the jihadist methods of al-Qaida-like organizations. But these nonviolent Islamists such as the Muslim Brotherhood are "no less malignant," Ahmed said."

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: bobad
Date: 24 May 13 - 10:04 AM

Source of above post: JPost

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: bobad
Date: 24 May 13 - 10:02 AM

Muslim writer touts Israeli tolerance of minorities

"British author Dr. Qanta Ahmed spoke on Wednesday at the Menachem Begin Heritage Center in Jerusalem about the difficulties for minorities in Islamic societies and how Israel is the only country in the Middle East that tolerates them.

The persecution of Christians and other minorities is not getting the attention it deserves from the mainstream media, she said, adding that only a Muslim like her can get away with criticizing Islamic societies without being castigated as a bigot.

Israel does not fit the description of an apartheid state and instead, the media ignores the real problem, which is in the Muslim world, she said."

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 May 13 - 08:36 AM

And then they will come after YOU.

Look at Russia in 1917-1918, and who survived of the Red leaders...

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 May 13 - 08:33 AM

Them gol-danged libruls agin, eh Beardy? They're all out to getcha, you know.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 May 13 - 08:02 AM

Don T

according to Bobert, the statement that something is reported in news sources is NOT valid evidence ( Unless it supports the Liberal Viewpoint)- take it up with him.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 24 May 13 - 07:07 AM

""This does describe most of what Don and Jim post. Unverified sources, or none at all.""

Unverified sources like the UN, B'tselem, Israeli soldiers, Canadian hospital staff in Gaza during Israeli attacks.

You are an ass BB. If you are going to lie, at least have the intelligence to pick a lie which can't be exposed by looking back a couple of days in this thread.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: bobad
Date: 24 May 13 - 06:01 AM

Stringsinger's definition of propaganda is any evidence or opinion that refutes his position.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 May 13 - 05:41 AM

Example?

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Stringsinger
Date: 23 May 13 - 11:09 AM

Evidence becomes propaganda in the words of Israeli war supporters. This propaganda is totally unreliable.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 May 13 - 03:14 PM

You never look at the evidence, you simply attack the source

If the source is unreliable, so is the evidence Don.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 May 13 - 02:11 PM

http://fionasplace.net/irishjokes/Kerrymanjokes.html

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 May 13 - 01:49 PM

anyone heard any good kerryman jokes?

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 May 13 - 01:32 PM

"How can anybody examine this mythical evidence? YOU don't put any up for examination."

This does describe most of what Don and Jim post. Unverified sources, or none at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 22 May 13 - 01:25 PM

""If you accuse Israel of something it denies, it is only you who can provide evidence.
What is wrong with critically examining the evidence offerred Don?
That is what I do.""

Another LIE!

You never look at the evidence, you simply attack the source (which we always supply) and make, on Israel's behalf, a flat denial without supporting evidence of any description.

How can anybody examine this mythical evidence? YOU don't put any up for examination.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 May 13 - 05:21 AM

Sorry Don, cross posted.
It is a lie that I do not supply links, but when I feel it unecessary, just google the text to find the source or ask and I will supply.

If you accuse Israel of something it denies, it is only you who can provide evidence.
What is wrong with critically examining the evidence offerred Don?
That is what I do.

And remember, in the real world, no-one believes all that stuff. Israel would be a pariah nation.
It is not, except with Islamic states and a few nasty dictatorships.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 May 13 - 05:12 AM

It does not Don.
But it shows that there are many worse places than Israel for an Arab to live, and perhaps people should criticise them more, and Israel less.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 22 May 13 - 05:12 AM

""Also, I never object to others putting the Palestinian side of the story.
Only a bigot would object to the opposing case being put.
So, why do you object to anyone putting Israel's case Don??""

You never object?

You just dismiss evidence and call witnesses liars, bigots and antisemites. This and other threads are larded with such comment from you and Bobad, from your first hand experience of the situation, viewed from the UK and Canada respectively.

You both then quote the word of the Israeli zionist government, as if it were the word of God, inerrant and incontrovertible.

I don't object to you putting the Israeli case, just as long as we get some corroborating evidence, such as that which we have produced (with sources linked) from Palestinians, Israelis and Canadians who are or were right there in the middle of it.

That would at least tend to lend credence to Israel's denials.

You can't be arsed to supply links, or simply have no such links and make it up as you go along.

You have been repeatedly asked to source your assertions with such links, without once complying.

Why should anybody believe your rubbish?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 22 May 13 - 04:55 AM

""Five Yemeni men were beheaded and "crucified" this morning in the city of Jizan, while a Saudi Arabian man was executed in the south-western city of Abha.""

And this justifies anything that Israel does because........???

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 May 13 - 02:52 AM

I say both sides bear blame for this situation, and you put only Israel's side ""for the sake of balance"".
Do you even have the slightest, most minimal understanding of what the definition of balance actually is, in the real world.....?

Yes actually.
I too say both sides bear blame, but the difference is that I actually make specific criticisms of Israel.
E.g. their use of smoke in Gaza City I said was reckless, and possibly illegal.
E.g. I condemned them for not anticipating the Sabra Shatila massacre and for not stopping it sooner.

Also, I never object to others putting the Palestinian side of the story.
Only a bigot would object to the opposing case being put.
So, why do you object to anyone putting Israel's case Don??

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: bobad
Date: 21 May 13 - 07:47 PM

"Five Yemeni men were beheaded and "crucified" this morning in the city of Jizan, while a Saudi Arabian man was executed in the south-western city of Abha.

Pictures today emerged on social media appearing to show five decapitated bodies hanging from a horizontal pole with their heads wrapped in bags.

The beheading and "crucifixion" took place in front of the University of Jizan where students are taking exams.

In Saudi Arabia, the practice of "crucifixion" refers to the court-ordered public display of the body after execution, along with the separated head if beheaded. It takes place in a public square to allegedly act as a deterrent."

Amnesty International

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 May 13 - 06:46 PM

I say both sides bear blame for this situation, and you put only Israel's side ""for the sake of balance"".

Do you even have the slightest, most minimal understanding of what the definition of balance actually is, in the real world.....?

I don't THINK so!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 May 13 - 06:42 PM

""My faith has no bearing on this, except it means you can be sure I am being honest.""

Non sequitur anybody?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 May 13 - 08:54 AM

Fascinatimg, Kieth!

Tarring all Arabs - Muslims and non-Muslims alike- with " the 'moral code"[sic] of Arabs precludes civility' according to you is neither bigoted nor ignorant.

That certainly sheds a great deal of light on your own "moral code" and your other postings.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 May 13 - 07:06 AM

That is not what I said Don.
I was speaking for myself.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 May 13 - 06:57 AM

""My faith has no bearing on this, except it means you can be sure I am being honest.""

No such thing as a dishonest Christian?

I may split my sides laughing!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 May 13 - 02:23 AM

Greg, her reply could have been challenged or questioned.
She did much to explain anyway.
There is no justification in it for "Ignorant", "Uninformed" "Bigots" "(Like Susan) Suck"

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 May 13 - 04:54 PM

Thanks Beardy. Keith only asked for a single example, which I provided, & but generously provided more!

I would have thought, however, Keith might like to answer for himself & is perfectly able to do so. Did he ask you to stand in for him?

(PS: any idiot could have scrolled dow 3 whole posts and found the complete quote for themselves, were they interested. Of course, you're not just any idiot.)

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 May 13 - 04:33 PM

Are you a Christian
Yes.
who thinks that because Israel is mentioned in the bible, that supports your theories?
No.
I told you I do not regard the bible as history.
I have no theories to support anyway.

My faith has no bearing on this, except it means you can be sure I am being honest.
I happen to admire what Israel has achieved in the face of great adversity and hostility from all its neighbours, and I think it is unfairly singled out for criticism while its neighbours get a free ride.

Remember that your view of Israel is not widely held in the free world.
Governments like Ireland, Denmark, the rest of the EU, Finland, Canada, Australia, ....... share my view of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Stringsinger
Date: 20 May 13 - 03:56 PM

"Hey, why you start another thread and just call it "Jews Suck"?"

Susan, you just don't get it. It's not about hating Jews. It is questioning the approach Zionism has taken which is leading Israel into a mullah type state with theocracy at the helm.

Keith, you still haven't answered my question. Are you a Christian who thinks that because Israel is mentioned in the bible, that supports your theories? A simple yes or no would suffice.

It would be nice to get that out of the way before anything you say could be considered credible.

So far, you have presented scant evidence to support your views compared to Jim Carroll who is quite articulate on this subject and sources are varied and valuable.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: beardedbruce
Date: 20 May 13 - 03:28 PM

Greggie boy,

Perhaps you want the entire quote:


From: Greg F. - PM
Date: 19 May 13 - 12:29 PM

1. So Susan - did you actually mean to say that the "moral code"[sic] of Arabs precludes civility?
....

From: GUEST,Susan - PM
Date: 19 May 13 - 04:48 PM

Greg F, That's right. The code is enforced on adherents and non-adherents alike. And if enforcement precludes civility, so be it. If you belong to a Jewish sect and you violate the code, you are ostracized, not stoned. No one expects you to convert either. They're not much different than the Amish.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 May 13 - 12:04 PM

produce something from Susan that justified any of that bile.

Sigh.

Q: So Susan - did you actually mean to say that the "moral code"[sic] of Arabs precludes civility?

A: Greg F, That's right.

Q.E.D.

Now piss off.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 May 13 - 11:47 AM

I have produced no misinformation.
It is all verifiable, and you can offer nothing objective against it.

I am not interested in biblical history or anything pre 20thCentury.
I do not regard the bible as history.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 May 13 - 11:43 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Stringsinger
Date: 20 May 13 - 10:46 AM

Keith, I regret that you are misinformed. You accuse me of hating Israel. I do no such thing. You trust Google, Hillary and the mainstream media for your evidential sources.

Actually, I hope that Israel will come to its senses and see how they have been corrupted by a war-mongering attitude that is enabled by reactionary government officials in the Obama, Senate and House as well as the Supreme Court of the United States which are basically dancing to the tune of the military industrial complex.

David ben-Gurion set an example originally (a non-theist, by the way) that was distorted by a Zionistic fervor which dehumanized the original occupants of the land.

Joffa oranges were one of the prizes internationally. Where are they now?

Keith, I suspect other motives for your misinformation. Again, is it a Christian, biblical bias that you harbor? If not, let us know.

Your blanket statements will convince no one.

Subject: RE: BS: Israel condemned by UN
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 May 13 - 09:30 AM

I read them and found nothing, so help us out Greg and produce something from Susan that justified any of that bile.

I say you can't Greg.
It was just a baseless and nasty personal attack.