BS: Lucid Dreams a little writing excuse

Subject: BS: Lucid Dreams a little writing excuse
From: GUEST,Skivee, guesting in
Date: 08 Mar 13 - 11:32 PM

From a Skillup (I don't care who they are either) site' self-titled offering

"How To Lucid Dream In One Night"

This blog entry:
"Jun 25, 2010 – At one point, you may have noticed signs that you were dreaming. ... If you don't experience a lucid dream in one night, don't give up. You don't ..."etc

Well I speed read through their web-advice about controlling visualization, and their buzz words about time-stamping and gridding all that pseudo-science crap.
So last night when I pretended to sleep in order to lure the
Then i just realized that I am walking through the dark north-northwest corridor of my old high school at the chem final , which was being taught in immersion Late Renaissance French. The whole class is wearing enclosed chem suits suits and enclosed respirators I am in limp white underwear and Mrs. Breamer is speaking at me in from behind her bubble dome helmet. I don't even know regular French I didn't like the way this dream was going, so I told everybody that I clothes had the new element I'd just discovered on it and their were too dangerous to continue wearing and I put a spare suit, of my own design as the glowing from under the flag made me know I'd done the right thing in the courtyard cover my glowing clothes with an American flag wrapped around a lead safe and then
and then Mrs. Breamer asks me to please marry her right away which leads to some sweaty fumbling in her car in the teacher's parking lot. then I woke up.

So my dream ended up in pretty much the same as it always does.and nothing changed at all because my dreams are awesome>

So should I be bitter about the them admitting that they can't teach me to have a lucid dream in one day in spite of their claim?



Please share your recurring dream and how you would change it
if you could

Subject: RE: BS: Lucid Dreams a little writing excuse
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Mar 13 - 10:37 PM

I know I dream but I rarely remember them. When I was a kid I remember some recurring dreams, and when I was in college I used to sometimes dream that I stopped going to a class that I should have dropped but forgot to. This never happened, but I was always worried that it might happen, hence the dream. And later, when a good friend took a leave of absence from work and went back to college, I remember it coming back. I don't think there is a way to control it.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Lucid Dreams a little writing excuse
From: ollaimh
Date: 09 Mar 13 - 10:50 PM

if you can wake and become lucid in your dreams on a regular basis, and hence control your dreams, they say you will be able to control what happens after death. lucid dreaming when done right is a profound meditative practice(and you will never have a nightmare again--unless you want to)

Subject: RE: BS: Lucid Dreams a little writing excuse
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Mar 13 - 11:01 PM

I frequently have lucid dreams; sometimes when a dream is heading in a worrysome direction I back up and go a different path.

I wonder if a person is almost awake when that happens?

Lately I'm doing something else, and it really pleases me. I hear someone singing a song I never have heard. I did it again last night. I thought I'd remember the words but the only word I recall is 'wine' and that another line rhymed with that word. It was a young, darkhaired woman singing; again, no one I knew.

Think I'll have to put my little recording machine next to my bed and teach myself to wake up and get it down. :)

Subject: RE: BS: Lucid Dreams a little writing excuse
From: ragdall
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 03:20 AM

Shortly before I wake up, I often dream about urgently searching for a restroom. When I find one, there is always some reason why I am unable to achieve relief. I'm thinking if I ever do, the next part of my dream will involve stretching out in a hot tub.

rags

Subject: RE: BS: Lucid Dreams a little writing excuse
From: David C. Carter
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 08:36 AM

Ditto ragdall

Subject: RE: BS: Lucid Dreams a little writing excuse
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 12:55 PM

When I was 9 years old I once did that.I literally dreamt that I had found one. I wet the bed.

Subject: RE: BS: Lucid Dreams a little writing excuse
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 01:41 PM

I have two sorts of dreams. Some are vivid and detailed, often recurrent, and I can recall tiny details long after I wake up. The others are still detailed, but within seconds of waking they dissolve. The detail starts to flake away, until by a minute after I'm awake there's nothing left. Evanescent would be a good word for them. It's a mystery to me why my conscious mind can't hang on to some dreams but it can to others. I like dreaming. My dreams are about 80% pleasant, with the rest being bureaucratic tangles in a Kafkaesque kind of way. I wake myself up if I'm in one of those to shake it off so that I can start again. I find that a small cube of Green's mature cheddar, taken at bedtime, encourages dreaming.

Subject: RE: BS: Lucid Dreams a little writing excuse
From: ollaimh
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 02:44 PM

of course best is after you "wake up" in the dream, then meditate. if you can do it the results will be ten times fasrer and more profound than doing it while awake. you will be meditating with the subtle mind --directly! a lot of waking meditation is towards just tickling the subtle mind a little bit.

of course get ready to abandon your foolish preconceptions of reality. if you have them.(most do, especially most on mudcat).

the inabiulity to abandon those preconceptions is what stops most meditative practice from progressing, and also stops real lucid dreaming --that is where you can actually controll what happens.

Subject: RE: BS: Lucid Dreams a little writing excuse
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 02:53 PM

Ragdall you're a hoot!

Subject: RE: BS: Lucid Dreams a little writing excuse
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 03:38 PM

Does lucid=intense=coherent...etc?

I have categories of dreams, some of which are seemingly long & complex, but as with most people, I don't retain all the details after waking. But I am old enough now that I have something like snapshots ...or brief videos ...of many dozens....maybe hundreds.

What I can do is close my eyes and sort of riffle thru them, like note cards, usually in a fairly standard order. Some of these go back 30-40 years. It is getting more difficult to add new note cards to the list. I suppose there are, to coin a metaphor, fewer shelving spaces on the brain cells.
Yes, one category is 'looking for a bathroom', usually involving some strange house with very unusual plumbing arrangements (like several toilets in one room), and usually broken or not clean. So far, no "warm hot tub".

Many dreams involve being back in college and doing complex things other than attending class- then discovering that the semester is ending and I haven't been to some classes, and have even forgotten where they are... all leading to awkward routines of trying to take finals with no preparation or talk the instructor into some arrangement.

Many dreams involve buildings similar to where I have lived or worked, but with strange changes, rooms and/or employees. Others involve walking or driving (or taking bus rides) on 'interesting' roads, trying to get somewhere....

There are numerous other overlapping categories, most of which are involved with coping and stresses, which no doubt are metaphors for dealing with real life.

The most pleasant 'lucid' dream are flying dreams. I float, I soar, I flap, I drift... over odd places in odd patterns, but usually nice ones. I haven't had flying dream in quite awhile now.... but I can still re-run a few using the right note card set.

I'm fascinated by the topic, and how dreams might work, though I have no strong opinions about the relevance or mechanism.

Subject: RE: BS: Lucid Dreams a little writing excuse
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 03:57 PM

I too love dreaming. I've never tried categorizing them- doing that might be quite revealing.

Very rarely I dream about a celebrity or known political figure. I remember once I dreamt that I was in the audience where Sinatra was singing- and I've never particularly cared for Sinatra. The other night I watched President Obama 'work' the crowd.

Subject: RE: BS: Lucid Dreams a little writing excuse
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 05:40 PM

By far my most uncomfortable dreams involve my being out on the street, in public, stark naked. I have a suspicion that these dreams hark back to a real-life occasion when I had to wear one of those silly hospital gowns that are open at the back. I had to wear it sitting in a very public part of the hospital. It was way too short for me, and didn't really wrap around sufficiently either, so I could not mobilise from one place to another in the building without my bare arse winking at the world. Now that's quite enough of that. Down, girls...

Subject: RE: BS: Lucid Dreams a little writing excuse
From: RangerSteve
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 09:12 PM

Since I retired from my 18 years on a disability, I've rarely had a night where I didn't dream about being at work. It was with the New Jersey State Park Police. In all the dreams, I realize I'm not supposed to be there, but no one besides me seems to be aware that I don't belong there. Many times, in the dreams, I ended the dream by saying "I quit", then wake up. Last night, I dreamed that I shot a criminal who was attacking a park employee. I wounded him, and everyone told me it was justified. I then told my boss that I was retiring. I keep hoping that with every "retirement" that I dream, it will be the last time I dream about it. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Subject: RE: BS: Lucid Dreams a little writing excuse
From: Penny S.
Date: 11 Mar 13 - 09:14 AM

I have never been aware of a dream unless it was one I was going to wake up from. Only occasionally have I done so to decide to go back in and alter it and been able to do so. Other than that I haven't had lucid dreams, and I'm not sure I want to. The BGI I experience is so good when I am not consciously controlling it that I think letting my conscious mind in on the act would only spoil it.

And I too have the hunting for the loo ones - I think the brain is very clever at those - the range of toilets it designs that make it absolutely imperative to go somewhere else is very impressive. Holes in muddy floors, infant school sized pans, ans so on. Oddly, it never conjures up the sort of thing one may actually find in a public loo with real soiling.

And the going on with my job - teaching - is really irritating now I have retired. Either doing supply in a strange school and failing to get to the class on time, or back in time in the school I used to teach in, and things going wrong there. I wish it would stop. But what else does my brain know?

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Lucid Dreams a little writing excuse
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Mar 13 - 01:03 PM

I'll bet no one but me dreamed last night about studying a map of Texas with a fan-shaped area where a subdivision had street names using odd words like "Libre".

No, I don't remember why it was relevant to study that map.

Went back to sleep and dreamed of getting lost trying to follow some friends in a van to deliver some tools (maybe it was in a strange area in Texas... :>)

Subject: RE: BS: Lucid Dreams a little writing excuse
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Mar 13 - 01:14 PM

No, Bill D, but I had my own problems. I dreamt that my sister reported to me that her son, Tim, was celebrating his 90th birthday. She also said that he could hardly believe that I am in my 70s.

I puzzled over that for the longest time- wasn't Tim younger than I? I said that to her and my sis looked confused. She said, Well, that's what he said.

She had left the premises before it came to me: Tim had to be younger than sis.

I went looking for her to tell her but I couldn't find her.

Subject: RE: BS: Lucid Dreams a little writing excuse
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Mar 13 - 06:44 PM

RangerSteve reminds me of a period in time when my dreams mirrored my waking hours. I worked several summers for the US Forest Serivce burning slash in clear cut units or fighting wildfires on the district or around the state. There was no point in washing jeans every day because you were going to get that same intense grit, carbon, and smoke all over you as soon as you were out in the field. The smokey smell affected my dreams, and even if you washed all of your laundry, your boots still smelled like smoke. It got to where my nights were as vivid and active with the fire fighting dreams as my days were. I finally got smart and put my boots and clothes in the bathroom so I didn't need to smell that smoke in my bedroom at night.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Lucid Dreams a little writing excuse
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Mar 13 - 06:58 PM

And the going on with my job - teaching - is really irritating now I have retired. Either doing supply in a strange school and failing to get to the class on time, or back in time in the school I used to teach in, and things going wrong there. I wish it would stop. But what else does my brain know?"

Cor, that's uncanny is that, Penny. I'm an ex-teacher too and I have dreams about not getting to my class to take the register on time, turning up not knowing what I'm supposed to be teaching, the school suddenly becoming a strange place that I don't know my way around... The dreams are very consistent though. It's always the same "wrong" school with the same layout, I'm always living with that hopeless sinking feeling that I'm late and what the hell will my class be up to as a result...

Subject: RE: BS: Lucid Dreams a little writing excuse
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Mar 13 - 08:36 PM

Lucid dreaming is more than just remembering your dream. It's knowing you're dreaming and consciously directing what happens.

I read a book back in the 70s: "Creative Dreaming". I tried it, and after a while, I started having lucid dreams. These are dreams in which you're aware you're asleep and dreaming and can control what happens. I'd escaped from somewhere and was going down a river on a raft, and thought "I shouldn't run. They say you shouldn't run away from things in your dreams because you have to face your fears or you'll just keep being afraid. But I'm not afraid, am I? I'm having fun floating down the river. Fuck it."

I just now realized this dream might have been about lucid dreaming. Your id has a party when you dream. If you go in and try to make your subconscious behave, dreaming is no longer much fun. I wish I could switch back and forth, but I just left it all alone for fear that I'd succeed in become a control freak in my own dreams. That once I turned that switch on, it would remain on.

Subject: RE: BS: Lucid Dreams a little writing excuse
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Mar 13 - 09:38 PM

I imagine most of us know the difference between remembering our dreams or directing them- our posts just made a slight turn.

I read once that if one wishes lucid dreaming, one should consciously examine one's hands in a dream. Which I eventually did- in the middle of a dream I suddenly remembered, Oh, yes, I'm supposed to look at my hands.

And I did.