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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: WyoWoman Date: 11 Nov 99 - 02:28 PM That's a wonderful story -- and ditty. Thanks. ww |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: InOBU Date: 11 Nov 99 - 08:32 AM Well, before returning to the subject of Bollocks, which I will after a brief mention of the F word, as it has come up, and amusing story about efing. I was playing in a little duet folk band, with a very nice woman from Meath, Trudy, who if you are out there, call and say hello... Well, my family, being Anglo Irish and very proper, Trudy was at a family holiday dinner and on her best behavior, when she got quite carried away during a description of some great crack, and said, It was F*cking WONDERFUL. She became aware of a sudden silence which was most likely not caused by the passing of and angel, and she looked about, smilled sweetly and said, Well, ... it really was! So on to bollocks - an old gem, which as a Protestant Irishman married to a Catholic I feel free to pass on... Listen ye not to the alien minister, nor to his church without meaning or faith, for the cornerstone of his temples are the bollocks of henry the eighth Slan agus meas Larry Otway |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Liz the Squeak Date: 11 Nov 99 - 02:55 AM My little darling at age 2 and a half was heard to utter the immortal phrase (in context too) "Oh bowwuks".... Guess who has decided to stop using that word at home!!! LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: WyoWoman Date: 11 Nov 99 - 01:07 AM When my son first started kindergarten, he came home one day and told me that one of the kids had "used the fuck word..." I told him that wasn't exactly the idea... ww |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Penny S. Date: 10 Nov 99 - 04:48 PM You can always go all prim and refer to street furniture, instead - O bollards! Penny |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: katlaughing Date: 10 Nov 99 - 01:39 AM I know what you mean, WW! We watch a lot of BBC America. The crudities always sound so civilised on there, almost complimentary! Since we're the upstart offspring, doya think we have an inferiority complex which contributes to this or has American English just gotten too dumbed down for creativity to shine through? Hey, Micca! ME, too! I tell people that's why I am always upbeat...I have to B(e) positive! katlaughing |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Brendy Date: 10 Nov 99 - 01:10 AM When I first moved to Norway, I was sitting in a pub one night with my girlfriend, a few of her friends, and a mate of mine from London. I was playing a gig and was in the middle of a break and having a pint with the rest of them. Anyway, me and yer man were having the craic while the others were nattering away, and as is sometimes the case we were putting in the odd F word, adding extra syllables into words to accentuate the meaning. One of my girlfriend's mates was disgusted by all of this f'ing and bollocksing and thought we were an awful uncouth bunch altogether. It was calmly explained to this lady by my girlfriend that there was no harm meant by these kind of expletives and should be seen in the context of adjectives instead No!, we generally don't get upset too much by such things. If they were to be meant as derogatory statements the message wouldn't be too long getting through and offence would be taken as applicable.
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: WyoWoman Date: 10 Nov 99 - 12:35 AM Why is it that people from the U.K. can (and many do) say "bollocks this" and "bollocks that" and it doesn't sound crude (the image I have in mind has more to do with Samuel Beckett's "bullocks" -- I always just imagine cattle). But if an American were to say "balls this" or "balls that," it would be offensive (to me). In the U.K. is it as crude to say bollocks as it is here to say f**k (trying to be considerate here...)? WW |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: JTT Date: 09 Nov 99 - 07:03 PM Who was it with Samuel Beckett - Denis Donohue maybe? that sent the letter to John Charles McQuaid saying that they were seeking help in their study of "the big bullocks of Irish literature" - but it was misunderstood and indignantly refused due to Beckett's atrocious handwriting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Micca Date: 08 Nov 99 - 07:48 PM You said it 'Spaw, i think we should start a UK branch of adopt a Possum we would probably have to call it Clarence Leighton Ernest Ignatius Gordon Horatio O'Possum tho' to be British. and the fact that I'm writing this a 00.45 shows it's not thread creep, BTW the posting that was titled "Iv'e got a Catspaw dulcimer" I thought was a song until I looked. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: catspaw49 Date: 08 Nov 99 - 07:29 PM Dear Squeaks, Tis the true beauty of the 'Cat! And where else are you going to find such a large group of intelligent, articulate, and interesting (not to mention caring and compassionate) folks as you do here. I'm not talking about me, but there are some, I know! We've been brought together by a common love of music, but that's simply the tip of the iceberg. At times it frustrates some of our more studious members, but a lot of us glory in the fact that such an erudite bunch can sit around doing nothing but entertaining each other. Most of us are sick to death of dealing with the assholes we encounter everyday. Here you can generally be assured that you can spill your guts on damn near anything and get feedback that is just flat unbelievable. A tune, a lyric, a cry, a laugh, an intelligent discussion on an obscure topic.....Its all here. Helluva place ain't it? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Liz the Squeak Date: 08 Nov 99 - 06:56 PM How did we get from bollocks to Albuquerque? And why did Bugs Bunny always forget to turn right there?? LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Alice Date: 08 Nov 99 - 10:51 AM I knew you were going to say that! OK, Albuquerque, here comes KC?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: WyoWoman Date: 08 Nov 99 - 10:43 AM Unh... I was thinking southerly. Warmer, milder, more music, less wind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Alice Date: 08 Nov 99 - 09:49 AM You really need to move a little farther north... like Billings. At least it has an opera (so does Bozeman, once a year). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: WyoWoman Date: 07 Nov 99 - 08:34 PM Feel my pain... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Alice Date: 07 Nov 99 - 01:01 PM Wow, KC, that is some mixing of metaphors... a high and dry big fish in a little pond. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: WyoWoman Date: 07 Nov 99 - 12:48 PM As usual, I sent a couple of emails an hour ago and just thought I'd peek in on the 'Cat for a minute. It's Sunday morning here and I've got work to do, but just one little peek won't hurt anything, will it? And now, an HOUR later, I'm sitting here shaking my head in wonder as a thread having to do with Mudcat addiction instantly veers far afield into a rather smart, impassioned discussion of genetics and culture and ... Glory Be. Thus, instantly demonstrating the answer to the question. I get 'sucked in' willingly because it's just a lot of fun to talk with people the world over about stuff you'd never otherwise even consider and it's generally stuff that has nothing to do with my daily work or life, which is refreshing. Sometimes I feel like a large goldfish in a smallish tank and I keep swimming around with the very same fish every day in the very same water and it gets a bit tired. Then I log onto Mudcat and, plop!, I'm in an enormous tank with very exotic fish looking nothing like myself. Makes it easier to breathe! WyoWoman, in the high and dry Western Plains |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Micca Date: 07 Nov 99 - 11:28 AM Mega Thanks Alice I owe you one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Alice Date: 07 Nov 99 - 11:07 AM Micca, here is something that may be of interest to you, From the Edith Cowan University in Australia, website on click here Centre For Human Genetics, worldwide research:
GENETIC EPIDEMIOLOGY AND HUMAN POPULATION GENETICS
Genetics of isolated populations |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Micca Date: 06 Nov 99 - 08:43 PM Its 01.40 in the morning and I can't work out the Latin. Why am I getting a distinct touch of deja vu? have we been here before? da capo? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Áine Date: 06 Nov 99 - 08:25 PM Maith thú! Cá as tú, mo bhuachaill? -- Áine |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 Nov 99 - 07:35 PM Cat Chlábair go bras? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Áine Date: 06 Nov 99 - 07:17 PM Cat Chlábair / Cat Dóibe / Anglait In English, cat of mud / cat of sticky mud / catfish Take your pick, McGrath! Le meas, Áine |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Alice Date: 06 Nov 99 - 07:08 PM Is it time to bring up "I'm My Own Grandpa" or "Shame and Scandal" (both in the DT). In latin, a mudcat is ostariophysi. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 Nov 99 - 06:41 PM Spurious isn't the right word I know, but I can't think quite what the right one would be, since it's getting late here - demonstrating the accuracy of Magpie's original posting, which commented on how you can get sucked into the 'cat and reemerge to find you've spent a lot more time that you had intended. Precisely. Please note, an argument isn't the same as a quarrel. Where I come from to tell someone they're talking bollocks doesn't mean you're quarrelling, it means you're confirming that there is a difference of opinion. I suppose I could go sticking those emoticon things in the posting, but I don't much like them. One of the things I like about Mudcat is that most of the time the disagreements don't turn into quarrels. Another is the way threads can drift far from where they started -like good conversations anywhere. I don't really like the kind of setups where people steer clear of topics on which they might disagree, and just end up talking about the weather and that. And I don't like verbal punchups either Floreat Mudcattus? I approve the senmtiments. But there must be a better way of saying Mudcat in Latin. Any suggestions. Or how would it go in Gaelic?
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Micca Date: 06 Nov 99 - 05:57 PM Apologies to all for "letting the Gene-ie" outof the bottle, but in fairness an aside, almost, in my original post was was attacked on spurious grounds. Let us now draw a line under the genetic discussion, and return to Aine's(forgive the wrong spelling, this dosn't do a Gaelic i) point theis place is great fun and obviously populated by some wise,funny and erudite people. Floreat Mudcatus |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Penny S. Date: 06 Nov 99 - 04:06 PM Sorry I brought it back, writing while you posted. But all this gene stuff does seem to be connected ever so slightly to the thread title - doesn't it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Penny S. Date: 06 Nov 99 - 04:03 PM I've been trying to track down the O-group stuff, which I believed was in a book by Steve Jones: it must have been in his TV programme, as it isn't in the book. Wherever I saw it, there was a map showing a gradient of percentage of O-group in the population, with that percentage increasing westward in these islands, but never approaching 100%. Thus, the more Celtic the area, the more likely a researcher would be to find an O-group bearing subject. However, there is another possibility. My O-group, West Country originated, Cornish looking friend suggests that this is the pre-Celtic population, the Mesolithic peoples whose DNA has been found in Cheddar Man, and in modern people. Return this land to the Fir Bolg! The distribution of these people would be expected to be the same if the Celtic invasions followed a similar pattern to those which succeeded them. The various Celtic waves of settlement show differing physical features where their remains can be found. Pete M posted some time ago on the gradation of physical type across Europe, and this predates the English Settlement. (They called themselves English, not Anglo Saxons, so , by the rules we apply to others, we should call them English.) There obviously are physical differences related to the area where peoples' forefathers lived. I wonder, though, how ancient these are. In our town there is a group of Exclusive Brethren, who share a great similarity of features. I have seen members of the same church in a town in Gloucestershire. They too share similarities of feature. There are similarities between the two groups - the church has national meetings at which marriages can be arranged between young people from different areas, but they remain distinct. The families in an area are closely linked, and are large. These features lend a pattern of appearance, developed over a century, which mimic the sort of likenesses which can be seen in a group of people who might be supposed to be of a distinct group such as Irish from a particular area. I have seen the idea that people didn't move much questioned - I'm afraid I haven't any idea where. Possibly in a TV programme again. It is a bit like the small world theory in maths. Many people did not move much. Some people moved a little. A few moved a lot. Men moved more than women (Steve Jones suggests mitochondrial evidence for this). This may have changed at diffent periods. Soldiers, pilgrims, traders may not have married in different areas, but they may have left genes about. And since we have evidence for trade from a very early period, who's to say what group is what? And on the black Irishman - how much black makes you black? How much Irish make you Irish? There's evidence I may have a bit of both, but I'm mostly English. What do our ancestors matter, anyway? What they did, good or bad, doesn't make us good or bad except if we choose to let it do so? Or continue to benefit from what they did wrong, knowingly. Penny |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: sophocleese Date: 06 Nov 99 - 04:00 PM Just to put it all in perspective you might like this story http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/19991105/sc/science_chimpanzees_3.html Sophocleese |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Áine Date: 06 Nov 99 - 03:35 PM Come on guys!! This thread hasn't 'crept' away from the original post -- it's galloped away. IMHO, Magpie was trying to say how much she enjoyed spending time on the 'Cat -- not open up a discussion on anthropological blood typing . . . I agree with Magpie -- it's a lot of fun to communicate with folks that you have something in common with, and also to find folks who can introduce you to something new! Why do we spend time here? What is your favorite aspect of the 'Cat? What kind of posts do you like to read? What's the funniest/most interesting thing you've found here? The floor is wide open for discussion. Please talk amongst yourselves while I go out for the tea and cakes... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Micca Date: 06 Nov 99 - 03:26 PM I see Mr McGrath we are not dealing with the science of genetics which recognizes that until very recent times people tended to remain close to their origins or at least within a geographc locus and therefore as relatively closed and stable gene pool, but the emotional abstract of nationalism which says regardless of my ancestry and line because I was born on this bit of mud that happens to be called x I am xish. I'm afraid it does not hold scientific water, there are distinct, so called "racial" characteristics and I do not mean in the Hitler "ubermennsch" sense but more in the matter of the statistical occurance of eye colour, Hair colour, even the occurrance of genetic defects and diseases and it has nothing to do with nationalism. and anyway I agree with Alice lets sing and agree to differ.Do you want to see the blood group statistical data if/when I unearth it, It is from a longish while back. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Alice Date: 06 Nov 99 - 02:57 PM And whether the blood be highland, lowland or no, And whether the skin be black or white as the snow (Or whether the skin be white or black as the sloe) Of kith and of kin, we are one, be it right, be it wrong As long as our voices join the chorus of song. (Or even if you can't sing.)
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 Nov 99 - 02:10 PM "Culture at least implies a breeding group" - I'd say that really is a fine example of bollocks (since this is the word which defines this thread). Genetically I am 100 per cent Irish, which means I've probably got Danes, English, Scots and the occasional German among them, and quite likely the occasional black slave. I've got cousins in Ireland, England, America, Australia, New Zealand, Argentina and various parts of continental Europe, and probably elsewhere. The breeding group we belong to is Homo Sapiens. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Margo Date: 05 Nov 99 - 08:32 PM I had a friend that worked at the department store in Los Angeles called Bullock's. When mailing out correspondence with their stationery, she used to cross the "l's" in the return address. Hahaha |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Bill D Date: 05 Nov 99 - 06:15 PM ...if my memory serves me, "Barnacle Bill, the Sailor" was originally "Bollocky Bill"...but you can't sing THAT in public...*grin* |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Den Date: 05 Nov 99 - 01:43 PM Used in Belfast as ballicks when refering to someone in a derogatory fashion as in would you look at that wee ballicks. Den |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Bert Date: 05 Nov 99 - 01:04 PM Little indeed! Now you're insulting me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Murray on Saltspring Date: 05 Nov 99 - 01:00 PM Pedantic point--in case anyone wonders--the word "bollox" is really a sort of euphemistic/whimsical/phonetic spelling of "ballocks", which is standard English (tho a bittie old-fashioned maybe) meaning "little balls" [compare "hillocks" and similar diminutives]. Did you really want to know this?? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: M Date: 05 Nov 99 - 11:02 AM InBOU--GREAT story! (hee hee hee) Micca sounds right--before the Normans and Saxons invaded, there probabbly was a distinct (or disticnt-er) Celtic race of people. Now it is much more just culture. I, for one, only am hooked up to the internet at work, so I can't be on the Mudcat at all hours of the night. And don't worry, I only peruse when there is no work at hand. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: KingBrilliant Date: 05 Nov 99 - 07:50 AM In my house, being the home of the uni-testicular (one went bad & had to be discarded) we are only allowed to say 'Oh bollock'. Kris |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: InOBU Date: 05 Nov 99 - 07:29 AM On the Celtic Race... and there not being one. Absolutely true, it is a lingistic group, and in fact,in todays understanding among genetists, there is no such thing as race, but groups are racialized - divided out from the sense of a group by a hightening of focus on spesific points of differece, so for example, Irish Travellers are racialized by focus on culture rather than genes or morphology. Before I wound up in law school, I built and raced Irish Currachs. I helped to bring the sport of racing these boats to the US. Two clubs, Boston and Anapolis tried to bar black members of my team from rowing in their towns. One of my rowers, who was black, was an Irish citizen and spoke gaelic - so on great debate ran like this. A six generation or so Irish American from Anapolis says, shouldnt this all be Irish anyhow? Fine, I say, if that is the case, one of my black rowers is in, and you are out, as you are an American with an Irish name, and not Irish. Well, says he, you know what I mean Celtic (pronoucing it with the soft s at the start) There you go again, says I, you cant even pronouce enough of the language to say Kelt, so black crew in my club who speak gaelic or any other celtic language are in and you are out. Funny old world. All the best, get some sleep Larry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Magpie Date: 05 Nov 99 - 07:16 AM I did actually go to bed shortly after having posted. And I was bolloxed by lunch time.(Not to mention that I over slept!) It's good to know I'm not alone in staying up half the night reading this bollox. Have a nice weekend y'all! I'm off to see my boyfriend. Mapie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Liz the Squeak Date: 05 Nov 99 - 05:22 AM Add to that love spuds, gonads, hairy saddlebags, scrotum, the wrinkled old family retainer, the tadpole hatchery, goolies, pods, knadgers, the family jewels, (meat and) two veg, hanging Johnnys, plums, hairy handful, family safe, miniature water wings (apparently they float....) testicles, cobblers, orchestras and knob attachments. Get the picture? Not that I'm obsessed with these things, no, not at all, only a passing comment really.... I try to ration myself to an hour at a time, on this, but already this week I've used up my ration until Christmas.... And if we are talking blood groups, I'm a 1 in 7, being a negative..... Any vampires come near me and they will have trouble I can tell you (too much garlic in the potatoes last night, the keyboard is starting to melt)! Better go, supposed to be driving 30 miles to pick up a couple of trees today. I got Yew, babe!! LTS PS Micca really does hang upside down in a closet, if you can imagine a very short, very fat, vampire badger, that's him! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Micca Date: 05 Nov 99 - 05:10 AM On the "oh Bollox" theme in a similar vein, the term"cobblers" meaning rubbish as in "a load of old Cobblers" comes from rhyming slang, the complete rhyme being "Cobblers awls"=balls . When the body parts were being specifically referred to the term "orchestras" was used as in "Orchestra stalls" = balls (testicals) Alice, I will try and find the references I have and any others and send as a private post, Micca |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Date: 05 Nov 99 - 05:10 AM On the "oh Bollox" theme in a similar vein, the term"cobblers" meaning rubbish as in "a load of old Cobblers" comes from rhyming slang, the complete rhyme being "Cobblers awls"=balls . When the body parts were being specifically referred to the term "orchestras" was used as in "Orchestra stalls" = balls (testicals) Alice, I will try and find the references I have and any others and send as a private post, Micca |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Brakn Date: 05 Nov 99 - 04:51 AM Bollox = Oh dear! The dogs bollox = the best You've made a bollox of that = you messed up what you were doing You're a bollox = you make up stories I'm bolloxed = astounded or knackered Mick Bracken talking bollox (= rubbish) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Alice Date: 04 Nov 99 - 10:18 PM Well, here in Montana, it is about 8:15 pm (I missed that time zone thread) and my bloodline from county Leitrim gave me type A ;-> (I'd be interested in any real science behind your message if you could refer it, Micca.)
I am a long time Mudcat addict, but have little chance these days to write very much. I also have to get up no later than 5:30 to help my son with his new morning paper route. No more 1:00am online time for me. Alice Flynn |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Bill D Date: 04 Nov 99 - 10:01 PM but...thanks, 'spaw...one hates to think no one notices...*grin* |
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Subject: RE: BS: Oh bollox! I've done it again! From: Bill D Date: 04 Nov 99 - 09:58 PM awww...'spaw...I have been SO busy..craft show season.....(and should be now..but just had to play a little...) |