BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Dec 13 - 07:35 PM

"Last elections we had Romney running against Obama...both had the same program running for healthcare....and somehow you think this was either liberal or conservative...and nothing else, right?"

FALLACY ALERT!

You are making the entirely unwarranted assumption that Romney would have gone ahead with it. Obama did!

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 29 Dec 13 - 08:48 PM

Well Well Well. Whopper #2. Burger King is jealous.

"My mother, when she got sick with ovarian cancer, she had just gotten a new job, and the insurance company was saying, 'Well, well, well, maybe this is a pre-existing condition, so maybe we don't have to pay your medical bills.' So I know what it's like to see a loved one suffer not just because they're sick, but because of a broken health care system. This is personal for me,"


Politifact:

The Untold Story of Barack Obama's Mother by journalist Janny Scott documents the life of Obama's mother, S. Ann Dunham, an anthropologist who also worked on the issues of development aid and microcredit in Indonesia.

The book documents Dunham's final illness - uterine and ovarian cancer - in some detail. Dunham's illness became acute when she was working in Indonesia in 1994, and she was diagnosed in Hawaii early the next year.

Scott interviewed Dunham's doctor, family and friends for the book and had access to Dunham's correspondence and personal papers. According to Scott's account, Dunham's health insurance covered her treatment.

But Dunham also filed a claim for disability insurance. It was the disability insurance company that refused to pay because they said her cancer was a pre-existing condition, according to the book.

A Singular Woman goes into detail about Dunham's financial situation at the time she became sick. Dunham made a modest salary and sometimes struggled to pay her bills, according to the book. She was worried about the costs of her treatment, and the disability insurance would have eased her concerns.

Dunham filed several rounds of paperwork trying to convince the insurance company to pay the disability insurance, intended as a replacement for lost wages. At one point, Dunham told the insurance company that she would be turning the matter over to "my son and attorney, Barack Obama." Dunham died Nov. 7, 1995.

Scott concluded that Obama's memories of the matter were faulty. "Though he often suggested that she was denied health coverage because of a pre-existing condition, it appears from her correspondence that she was only denied disability coverage."

The book was published in May. In July, the New York Times reported that the White House finally responded to their repeated requests about the book's findings. (Scott, the book's author, was a reporter with the New York Times who left the paper to finish the book.) The White House chose not to dispute the findings.

"We have not reviewed the letters or other material on which the author bases her account," a White House spokesman, Nicholas Papas, told the Times.

I wonder why?

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Dec 13 - 11:00 PM

Some nameless nincompoop who wishes to remain anonymous for obvious reasons: "You are making the entirely unwarranted assumption that Romney would have gone ahead with it. Obama did!"

Well after patterning Obamacare from Romneycare, in Massachusetts, AND a MAJOR 'talking point' for Obamacare supporters, I think your assumption is quite a 'unwarranted assumption'..to use your words!

Don't get me started without at least doing your homework!

GfS

P.S. Sawzaw, are you alluding that lying was a 'genetic disposition' in that family??

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Dec 13 - 10:04 PM

Politfact rates the above story as "Mostly False."

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 02 Jan 14 - 10:42 PM

Professor blames 'southern white radicals' for Obamacare debacle

A professor who teaches constitutional law courses at the City University of New York's John Jay College of Criminal Justice penned a Christmas Day essay blaming "southern White radicals" for the disastrous, slow-motion train wreck failure that has been the rollout of the Affordable Care Act.

The essay, by Gloria J. Browne-Marshall at the website Politics in Color, is entitled "2013: A Year of Racial Challenges."

"[S]outhern White radicals vowed to stop implementation of the Obama-care law leading one to wonder if Tea Party members would oppose affordable healthcare if it came from a nonBlack [sic] President," writes Browne-Marshall.

In the next two profoundly disconnected paragraphs, the taxpayer-funded professor rambles from Abraham Lincoln to Christopher Dorner, the black LAPD cop who killed a bunch of innocent people and then committed suicide at the end of a huge manhunt.

"Some called Dorner insane others said a modern-day Nat Turner, referring to the leader of a Virginia slave rebellion in 1831," Browne-Marshall writes in her characteristically thick, ungrammatical prose. "However, the possibility racism was a core issue in this case was disregarded."

She then discusses a host of other issues, including a Supreme Court opinion on voting rights and the fates of Trayvon Martin and "White Latino" George Zimmerman.

Browne-Marshall teaches courses in constitutional law and evidence. She is also a member of the gender studies faculty.

A webpage called "Race, Law, and American Society" is dedicated to a book Browne-Marshall wrote. It explains that Browne-Marshall "has compiled an impressive array of historical and legal materials detailing the persistent legally sanctioned terrorism perpetrated by the majority culture against African Americans."

The webpage does not appear to indicate — as is customary among academics — the law school that trained Browne-Marshall in constitutional law or, in fact, any school she attended. Her department at John Jay does not list a curriculum vitae at all.

It's not clear how Browne-Marshall reasoned her way to the conclusion that "southern White radicals" derailed Obamacare. As College Insurrection notes, a CNN poll conducted just before Christmas shows that 62 percent of Americans oppose the president's signature legislation.

More than 4.7 million Americans have had their health insurance cancelled as a result of the massive new healthcare regime. At the same time, the Department of Health and Human Services confirmed Tuesday that, between federal and state exchanges, just 2 million Americans have signed up for Obamacare coverage.

John Jay College of Criminal Justice lauds itself as "the preeminent national and international leader in educating for justice." Students at the very well-located Manhattan school mainly study criminology, correctional studies and the like.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/01/professor-blames-southern-white-radicals-for-obamacare-debacle/#!

This woman is a "constitutional law professor" the same as Obama. Or no, she seems to have a firmer grasp of the subject than he does. And then there's the video below, where the term "Obamacare" is called a racial epithet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5amu536rZWY

Obama said it would take 15-20 years to establish a government-run healthcare system, and in the meantime he has to work with the fascists to destroy private sector insurance. And no amount of race baiting will hide that fact. It's really sad that "progressives" in America have sunk to serving fascist/government interests while screaming about racism.

And beneath the racism crap is the "botched launch of the website" nonsense. And it is nonsense. The website works perfectly. It sews confusion. Mission accomplished.

I can't recall the last time I saw a new article about the real, deep-down problem with Obamacare--that it's unconstitutional. It forces Americans to buy a product (health insurance) at gun point. And if we can be forced to by insurance, then why not brown shirts, or Mao's little red book?

Resist Obamacare on general principle. Just say no to tyranny.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 08:02 AM

GIGO

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 02:07 PM

Songwronger: "It forces Americans to buy a product (health insurance) at gun point.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 02:26 PM

You would have thought that the morons would have figured it out the first time..but they were 'trendy phonies' then, and were co-opted by the Democrat Party...now they're just 'has been wannabes'....who are just as clueless now, as they were the first time!

...and they still don't 'get it'.....the only ones making out on this fiasco, are the insurance companies..this is NOT about health care...as the name points out, 'Affordable Care Act'...it's NOT 'Affordable', it's not about 'Care...but it is certainly an '"Act'!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 02:43 PM

The BIG LIE, Songwronger.

I didn't have to do a thing. Fine as is.

In fact, nobody I know has had any problems.

So how come you seem to be the only one? Hmm?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 04:12 PM

Well, this is finally making the news cycle....
(From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Dec 13 - 01:48 AM)

GfS(moi):

Firth: "Then, when President Obama tries to improve the system so that everybody has adequate coverage, you have a wall-eyed hissy-fit. Why? For no good reason except that it's Obama who's trying to fix it."

Fix it???...How? By lying to the nation about what it was??..and then adding these 'adjustments'??....BTW, if Congress passed it, and signed it, and he signed it in its original form, the Executive Branch cannot change it by fiat, 'executive orders', or by tweaking it at his whim to try to save political face. The bill has to stand, or go through the legislative process."

..............and this today:

    The attorneys general specifically criticize President Obama's executive action that allowed insurance companies to keep offering health plans that had been canceled for not meeting ObamaCare's more rigorous standards.

    We support allowing citizens to keep their health insurance coverage, but the only way to fix this problem-ridden law is to enact changes lawfully: through Congressional action," the attorneys general wrote in a letter to Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. "The illegal actions by this administration must stop."

    They say the healthcare fix was "flatly illegal under federal constitutional and statutory law."

Congress wrote the law in a manner that transfers much of its authority to HHS. The bill is chock-full of the phrase, "The Secretary shall determine …" in areas where Congress should have provided much more specific direction, which allows the executive branch wide latitude in a number of areas. However, the bill does have some specificity, especially on deadline dates for enforcement. HHS does not have the statutory flexibility that it has arrogated to itself for these "fixes," nor does it have the constitutional power to change statute.

Morrisey and his colleagues are correct in their accusations. The question will be whether any of them will challenge those decisions in court. One would have to think they have standing to do so, especially as it relates to the impact on insurers in their states. Congress also would have standing to bring a complaint to the federal court, and one has to wonder whether John Boehner and the House is considering such an action. If "the illegal actions by this administration must stop," they have to know that a letter to Sebelius isn't going to be the fulcrum of that change.

In other ObamaCare news, the confusion over sign-ups versus actual enrollments is keeping people from getting care:

    Hospital staff in Northern Virginia are turning away sick people on a frigid Thursday morning because they can't determine whether their Obamacare insurance plans are in effect.

    Patients in a close-in DC suburb who think they've signed up for new insurance plans are struggling to show their December enrollments are in force, and health care administrators aren't taking their word for it.

    In place of quick service and painless billing, these Virginians are now facing the threat of sticker-shock that comes with bills they can't afford.

    'They had no idea if my insurance was active or not!' a coughing Maria Galvez told MailOnline outside the Inova Healthplex facility in the town of Springfield.

    She was leaving the building without getting a needed chest x-ray.

    'The people in there told me that since I didn't have an insurance card, I would be billed for the whole cost of the x-ray,' Galvez said, her young daughter in tow. 'It's not fair – you know, I signed up last week like I was supposed to.'

    The x-ray's cost, she was told, would likely be more than $500.

She chose a plan that cost $450 a month but hasn't received a bill yet, the Daily Mail reports, but she also has a $5500 deductible — which means she'd be paying for that chest X-ray anyway."

........................................................

Also, Hi Don..Ready to answer or address those questions and comments that you were dodging earlier???
(..and don't EVEN pretend you don't know what I'm talking about)
You can start by addressing questions and comments posted:
(From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Dec 13 - 01:48 AM)

("Damn it!!" says he!"

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 04:54 PM

Ya' should have read it, if you really want to pretend you even know what you're talking about!....
...but nonetheless, try answering some questions...
..after all, YOU'RE the expert!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 05:45 PM

So if Obamacare is so perfect, then why has Obama stepped in to amend the law 14 times since he signed it? He's granted exemptions, dispensations and time delays 14 times. I think at present he's considering dropping the birth control mandate for Catholic nuns. Seriously. That's in the news right now.

Altering the law is illegal, by the way. He wanted it, he got it. He can't go in later with a pen and scratch out what he doesn't want. Any change to the law takes a literal act of congress, not a diktat from the Commissar.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 06:56 PM

Obama wants to make nuns carry insurance for contraceptives, abortions and the like:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/31/22128010-supreme-court-halts-contraception-mandate-for-nuns-group

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 06:59 PM

I hear about people with all kinds of difficulties.

From YOU guys.

But I don't know anyone personally, nor in the wider circle of people I work with, who have had any difficulties. In fact, a couple of people were, indeed, required to change insurance companies because their coverage was not as good as they had been led to believe. They were glad to find that out because they then got better insurance for less money.

I don't call that trouble. I call it possibly SAVING them a LOT of trouble later on!

Sorry you guys aren't happy, but maybe you should have been on top of things from the beginning. The only people I hear actually complaining about the ACA are insurance company flacks, Right Wingers and the general run of Obama haters (who hate him for reasons they're unwilling to admit).

And Goofball, I'll not be wasting my time answering any of your so-called "questions" because anything I say you will just shit a load of Scrabble tiles on (that was pretty good, by the way!) and ask a whole bunch more non-questions. I have better things to do than play your silly games. The intelligent people on these threads seem to think I'm fairly knowledgeable and that's all I care about.

I may answer a question or two when you answer a question of mine:

Do you still beat your wife?

Answer yes or no!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: sciencegeek
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 07:05 PM

Obama wants to make nuns carry insurance for contraceptives, abortions and the like:

try getting your facts straight... the law requires that employers pay for health care for their employees that includes ACCESS to full benefits... to use or not use as they see fit.

So the "nuns" freedom of religion includes telling others who work for them and may or may not agree with them, what they can have.

which is a very real reason why we need to get away from this employer BS and get to a single payer system.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 10:31 PM

Firth: "I'll not be wasting my time answering any of your so-called "questions" because anything I say you will just shit a load of Scrabble tiles on (that was pretty good, by the way!) and ask a whole bunch more non-questions. I have better things to do than play your silly games. The intelligent people on these threads seem to think I'm fairly knowledgeable and that's all I care about."

What a cop out from the puss! You dance around with your bullshit, but the fact is you CAN'T answer the questions, because you are an ignoramus parading around like a know it all!

If you had answers, you would have posted them...instead we get a bunch of horse-pucky, whiny LAME excuses!!

Up yours, moron!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 10:56 PM

"The intelligent people on these threads seem to think I'm fairly knowledgeable and that's all I care about."

The intelligent people on these threads have got you clocked...the questions are open to anyone, you know that....and you're the only one pretending not to be so stupid, as to say you know the answers, you got them there, somewhere, but maybe your dog ate them!
I just bet you there are people on here, even other 'so-called liberals' have been pretty curious about your 'thoughts(?)' on the matter.....but, alas and alack, the 'talking point' barrel is running real low!..getting pretty dry.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 11:05 PM

I knew you were going to say something like that, Goofball. Doesn't bother me any. The INTELLIGENT people who might happen to wander into this thread already know you for the trolling twit you are.

Blither on, ding-dong. Everybody here has your number.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Jan 14 - 12:44 AM

If I'm such a 'troll' and 'twit', how come you can't give an answer?
Does that make you 'less than a twit'?....or dumber than a troll??
Fact is, I'm neither and you know it..so stop resorting to your old 'discredit' tactic..and just answer the questions..and stay on topic.
This is just another one of your diversions.
Address the topic.....anybody can call anyone a troll....doesn't mean shit, if you don't know what you're talking about. It only means you haven't got an answer, or a clue...if ya' do, show it..if not, I guess you'll just stick to your prepubescent, playground name calling.

Good grief..show some intelligence instead of telling everybody how 'bright' you are!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Jan 14 - 11:11 AM

"The intelligent people on these threads seem to think I'm fairly knowledgeable and that's all I care about."

That's ALL you care about??...trying to impress people??
Shit, the last time I told you that about yourself, you took exception to it....so what gives??..are you finally deciding to be a LITTLE more honest?

Jeez...he must REALLY be out of fresh 'talking points'.

Hey Don, The truth is, there is NOTHING good about Obamacare...the insurance companies involved were the guys that helped write it, it's about profit and control!.. so quit acting like it is about 'helping the poor and needy'....that would be about the same as you writing legislation because you needed more attention!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Jan 14 - 02:09 PM

Goofball, stick to the "explosive diarrhea" thread. That's something you're undoubtedly good at.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: sciencegeek
Date: 04 Jan 14 - 02:50 PM

Whatever happened to separation of church & state?

"A group of Denver nuns who run nursing homes for the poor, called the Little Sisters of the Poor Home for the Aged, say signing that form makes them complicit in providing contraceptive coverage, and therefore violates their religious beliefs. They want Sotomayor to make the injunction permanent until the case can be hashed out in court, or for the Supreme Court to agree to take their case now.

Government officials "are simply blind to the religious exercise at issue: The Little Sisters and other applicants cannot execute the form because they cannot deputize a third party to sin on their behalf," said their lawyer, Mark Rienzi, who is also senior counsel for the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty."

Religious Liberty, my eye... tyranny is more like it. Imposing religious beliefs on others without their consent. Who will they go after next? Same sex couples? Some churches preach that homosexuality is a sin.. so it's OK   to deny them health coverage 'cause they're sinners?

If your workforce is a bunch of good little Catholics, then they won't take advantage of birth control, etc.... but that is THEIR CHOICE not a bunch of nuns, etc.

I have to pay taxes to support a bunch of wars that I knew were a bad idea... thou shalt not kill is an actual commandment, Moses didn't bring down an 11th one that said thou shalt not take the pill.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Jan 14 - 04:00 PM

Geek: "Whatever happened to separation of church & state?"

"....Religious Liberty, my eye... tyranny is more like it. Imposing religious beliefs on others without their consent."

Yeah!...and if you argue that point, the same is true, in the reverse!!
Get the government out of their religious beliefs!

"Imposing political beliefs on religions without their consent."

How come when it comes to SEPARATE, the libs only think it's a one way street?....that's not separate....Do ya' think they get it??



(Fortunately, for me, I don't believe in either of them!)

GfS

P.S. Don is still not ready to discuss the topic...he's too busy being demagogic.....He's waiting for someone else to support 'his cause' of lying to protect the insurance companies!!

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Jan 14 - 04:47 PM

That's not "demagogue," Goofball, that's "demigod!"

What you need to do, Goofball, is read and/or listen to reliable, unbiased news sources and stop getting all your so-called "information" from blogs like Newsmax and World Net Daily, and lapping up Songwronger's slops.

I see you're having another one of your diarrhetic episodes. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Jan 14 - 09:11 PM

Firth, (avoiding the subject): "That's not "demagogue," Goofball, that's "demigod!""

Where did you get that???...from an alternate universe?
This is what I posted:...(and still obviously apropos)

GfS: "P.S. Don is still not ready to discuss the topic...he's too busy being demagogic.....He's waiting for someone else to support 'his cause' of lying to protect the insurance companies!!"

What you need to do is get your head out of your ass, so you can get some fresh input.

The topic???

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: sciencegeek
Date: 05 Jan 14 - 06:23 AM

"Imposing political beliefs on religions without their consent."

How come when it comes to SEPARATE, the libs only think it's a one way street?....that's not separate....Do ya' think they get it??"

hey... where is the church's opposition to capitol punishment? Where do they stand on gun control? Like I said before... Thou shalt not kill is one of the Ten Commandments.... ain't nothing about birth control... but that's where the church has decided to take their stand??? Selling guns could lead to sin... having access to birth control just means that those who want it can get it... just like allowing those who want to marry can do so legally....

protecting the rights of all... the nuns will access as well should they chose to.... and a study of history will reveal that priests & nuns are not always celibate...

separation of church and state means that no religion can impose its beliefs and strictures upon others in the nation.... otherwise there would be no business conducted on the Sabbath or holy days.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Jan 14 - 01:06 PM

Geek: "separation of church and state means that no religion can impose its beliefs and strictures upon others in the nation...."

...and freedom of religion means that the 'State' cannot impose its politics into one's religious beliefs....check out the Bill of Rights...you won't have to read too far....
Like I said...SEPARATE...and here in America we (used to) have the freedom to believe and worship the way we choose, without government intervention. The same is true, as you are saying..that religion can't dictate the government.
So, leave those who do not believe in birth control or abortion alone.
If it's the revenue that is at issue....get the fucking insurance companies out of Obamacare!....you can bet their profits dwarf anything gained be coercing a bunch of nuns to pay for birth control...Jeez!!(rolls eyes)...
..but then the whole of Obamacare is just a scam, anyway....the way it is structured, and the main focus on their priorities, just so happens to favor the insurance corporations more than the patients....just listen to ANY news broadcast...they don't SAY it, but everything has to work around the corporations getting THEIRS first...the notion that this was about 'Healthcare' was just to make it palatable to the lunatics who believe that type of shit!....the same naivete that appealed to the 'so-called liberals', thinking that progress was being made voting for Obama, solely because he is perceived as being 'black'.....no matter how inept or crooked he is!
(That's because 'so-called liberals' are, in fact, VERY shallow, racist people, and calling it 'progressively hip'...and VERY easily manipulated, because of it!!).

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Jan 14 - 01:38 PM

Straw man.

Goofball invents the "so-called liberal" and assumes that all Liberals fit his simple-minded definition, then he attacks his straw man.

Saves having to think and having to know anything, but basically all he's doing is making noise and trying desperately to feed his own ego.

He has no idea of the actual Liberal viewpoint and ethical base.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Jan 14 - 06:38 PM

OH NO!!!.....it's HIM again with the same ol' shit.......(Cupping my hands around my mouth, yelling to you, as across the mountain valley).."SAY SOMETHING!!!!.....(oh, if I remember right) you were going to bring us some facts and comments(that you'd figure could support something your saying).....I mean, as long as we DO discuss FACTS, on Mudcat, once in a while....let's make it a celebration!!""

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Jan 14 - 08:57 PM

And what facts is it you want, Goofball? You haven't stated a question in readable English, so I'm not sure what you're pissing your pants about.

Try being clear!

One of your consistent dodges is to demand an answer to some question you may or may not have asked 700 posts back--or in another thread altogether, expecting me to rummage through the contents of your chamber pot.

No, I'm not going to play that game. If you can't be clear and current with your questions to me, then you may as well jump into the chamber pot with the rest of your brain.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 01:36 AM

Firth : "Try being clear!"

OK..we are talking about Obamacare....
You were asked some questions, and open comments, to which you are dancing around to avoid the issue, (that you've run out of bullshit talking points)
Answer or respond to the comments relating to the topic.
If you can't, then dispense with your tactics, in lieu of anything useful to the topic being discussed. Post a FACT instead of a lame opinion, based on NOTHING you can support.
Give it a try..or shut the fuck up!

GfS

P.S. Was that clear enough?

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 02:16 AM

Goofball:

"You were asked some questions, and open comments, to which you are dancing around to avoid the issue, (that you've run out of bullshit talking points)
Answer or respond to the comments relating to the topic."

That's still not a question. Or questions. Where ARE these questions and WHAT are these questions?

And you've made a lot of dumb comments relating to the topic and and no one would know WHICH of these dumb comments you are referring to.

If YOU can't remember, don't expect ME to waste MY time trying to figure it out and then reminding YOU.

I have better, more important things to do than respond to every time you expel intestinal gas.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 02:22 PM

...another fruitless dodge from our resident topic 'avoider'....

I didn't think someone with such a short memory and/or attention span could keep up a salient conversation anyway...

GfS: OK..we are talking about Obamacare....
You were asked some questions, and open comments, to which you are dancing around to avoid the issue, (that you've run out of bullshit talking points)
Answer or respond to the comments relating to the topic."

So, you say you are for 'single payer'....why are you supporting a law, that to remedy the system based on insurance companies making healthcare so unaffordable that people could not afford it...that makes it a LAW to go to THOSE insurance companies for insurance, for healthcare?...and, those companies have it structured, with the direct aid of the 'government', that makes healthcare unaffordable??...and don't go into the bullshit Republican obstruction DEAD argument, when Obamacare was passed with a majority in the BOTH Houses of Congress, AND the White House???
If the Republicans pulled off such a stunt, you'd be screaming bloody murder!..but you give a pass to '
AIG Bailout Obama'??? (AIG - American International Group, Inc. NYSE)
Who exactly are the fucking dupes here????

THERE!...Some direct questions, re-phrased and made simple, for even those, such as yourself, afflicted with dementia!

Try answering them. It should be easy.
You can start off with, "Maybe Obama isn't the 'liberal' he was made out to be....and the 'so-called liberals' sucking up to him are silly, misled fools!

Give it a shot!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 02:49 PM

Goofball, I have already explained all this!!

The problem is that you read on a kindergarten level.

GO BACK AND REREAD WHAT I HAVE ALREADY WRITTEN!!

For example, I DO favor a single-payer system, but the current Congress would never let this get through. So the Affordable Care Act, although far from perfect, is a step in the right direction.

I have said that several times on a couple of threads.

PAY ATTENTION!!

Dipshit!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 05:25 PM

GO BACK AND REREAD WHAT I HAVE ALREADY WRITTEN!!

"For example, I DO favor a single-payer system, but the current Congress"....STOP RIGHT THERE!!!...The Congress that passed the bill, without reading it, is the one who passed it...Your stupid talking point has NOTHING to do with reality....(continue)... "would never let this get through."....get what through???...passing the fixes??...Why does it need fixing in the first place???...Because your buddies, who lied through their teeth, and to whom you so foolishly believed, based on your illiterate perception of 'liberal' versus cronyism, passed it that way...the way it is...(continue).. "So the Affordable Care Act, although far from perfect, is a step in the right direction."........BULLSHIT!..It coerces people to patronize the assholes who made it unaffordable in the first place, dipshit!

"I have said that several times on a couple of threads."

PAY ATTENTION!!

Dipshit!!"

You're the one NOT PAYING ATTENTION!..or you wouldn't be backing this thing, and saying, while drooling with snot running down all over yourself, "...although far from perfect, is a step in the right direction."

HOW SO?? Lay your case out there!

(Actually I've asked him that very question several times, and he avoids answering that one like the plague!!).

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 06:19 PM

Goofball, let me introduce you to my neighbor's yappy little Yorkshire terrier. You two could have a lovely conversation together. You both speak the same language.

No intellectual or informational content, just a lot of shrill noise.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 07:45 PM

Yet another name-calling straight for the sandbox.... (God, will this guy ever grow up....or is he on his second time around?)...

Just explain why, when Obama had everything possible to pass the bill, 'his way'...that they chose to pass the bill in its present form.
.....or maybe this IS the bill he wanted.....after all, he did lie about it for SOME reason, didn't he??..or maybe it's the same reason he vote FOR the AIG bailout....and maybe he doesn't represent what you were led to believe...and they counted on the 'liberal' color bias..ie. if he's black, we're making 'progress'....only to find out he's just a hired puppet.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 11:02 PM

This is from my first post on the Mudcat forum....is any of this ringing true yet?
So far I haven't seen any evidence that I had it wrong, from the beginning!

"...and the same thing I've said for years..There should be a box below all the names of the candidates on the ballots that reads 'None of the Above'...That shows a willingness to participate, but a 'no confidence vote' for the propped up shills'..come on folks....they all suck square eggs! None of them represent any of you, do they??..Now be honest!! Year after year, we all tend to vote for the 'lesser of two evils'..but in fact, we're still voting for evil, and someone who does NOT have any of our best interests at heart. Everyone of them is so far away from our constitution, that if they spouted their trash, when it was fresh in our founding fathers minds, they would have all been tried for treason!! I could go on. from what I know, but why bother? You either know this to be true, or you don't!!"

Only the idiot-logues are blinded by their idiot ideas that they are manipulated by.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 11:21 PM

To the tune of "The Volga Boatman:"

"Para-NOI-a! (grunt) Para-NOI-a! (grunt)," etc.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 11:33 PM

Yeah, but just because he's paranoid it doesn't mean Obama and the "so called" liberal hypocrites aren't out to get him, to paraphrase an old hippieism.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 03:09 AM

Paranoid???..about what?? You guys just working yourselves up for another diversion...because you CAN NOT explain your positions away...and so far, NOTHING Don has conjured up comes even close to explaining this administration's behavior...nor how the rhetoric doesn't seem to jive with the actions.

It must be a hangover on how easy it was to con the devotees about those 'shovel-ready jobs'....and ever since he just hasn't lost stride!
At least we have a clue, as to who eats up bullshit...then begs for seconds.

So, if you want to make merry with tunes, try this one...to the tune of 'Here Comes Santa Claus'

Here comes gullible, Here comes gullible
Pretending he's not insane
Geeko and Gillymor and his conscripts
Pulling anyone's legs
Bullshit flinging, hands are wringing
All is merry and bright
Hang your head and say your prayers
'Cause Gullible types tonight.

Here comes gullible, Here comes gullible
Lying about it all the way
He's got a bag filled with wind and toys
For boys and girls again
Hear the rhetoric jingle jangle
Oh what a noisy blight
So jump in bed and cover your head
'Cuz Gullible wants to blow tonight.

Here comes gullible Here comes gullible
And being called on it everyday
He doesn't care is your smart or dumb
He'll lie to you just the same
Gullible knows we're all the State's children
That makes everything left of right
So fill your head with tyranny's cheer
Because Gullible's frothing tonight!

Face it...you were fooled...and too vain to cop to it.

Cheers!...(after all ignorance is bliss!!).


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 02:03 PM

Cute. Stupid, but cute.

Goofball, if you really want to know what my political position is, and that of the other "so-called liberals" you're so contemptuous of, watch THIS. It runs about three-quarters of an hour (far longer than your attention span can handle), and the young lady is very eloquent and all her comments are very much to the point.

You won't, of course, because you are proud of being a total ignoramus.

I would also heartily recommend this to those who DO possess functioning brains. She states the issues quite clearly and concisely.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 01:35 AM

I am familiar with 'Move On'....a front, a Soros version of Kochs and Tea Party.....and you know that as well as I.

Hey here's a true story..happened today...
You know, speaking of books, and objectivity in regards to true journalistic reporting, without favoring a side, a drummer friend, who majored and graduated in Political Science, was telling me about a book today he was reading, and wanted me to read it, as well.

The book is called, "The Great War for Civilisation" by Robert Fisk(look it up, fascinating book)...so, on the way home, I thought I'd swing by the library to see if they had it...just out of curiosity....so I asked and was pointed to the 'non-fiction' section..and I'm scanning the shelves slowly but carefully looking to fond it. It is a rather thick book, so I figured a lot of them I could just scan by quicker, focusing in on the bigger ones...and lo and behold, stuck in the 'non-fiction' section, was none other than "The Secret Life of Walter Mitty". I grinned for a second...didn't find "The Great War for Civilisation' by Robert Fisk"...and headed out...and while passing the front desk, I noticed the main librarian going over some papers or something with intense focus...."Excuse me, Ma'am but would you have a book called, "The Great War for Civilisation" by Robert Fisk?"

"If we did, it would be in the 'non-fiction' section," she said with her clear grey eyes peering above her bifocals.

"Well I was just over there and..." I 'almost' got out of my mouth.

"..Yes I know...If it's not over there, it has either been checked out or still in the 'returned' books.

"There isn't anywhere it could be??"

And in her steel metered monotone, "These is the only places it would be"

"But I just..."

"Just nothing. I've been running of this library for 23 years, and I assure you it could not be ANYWHERE else"...through her teeth, barely moving her lips.

(continuing where I left of from being interrupted, without losing a beat) ".....saw The Secret Life of Walter Mitty" over there and thought that maybe...."

"Impossible! Stop wasting my time...I have things to do!"

"Oh..Okay" ....slid my hands into my pockets and headed out the door.

Then I grinned again....you popped into my head.

GfS

P.S. Robert Fisk

and

"The_Great_War_for_Civilisation"

Take a peak...

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 12:29 PM

Goofus, I knew you'd find some feeble excuse not to watch it. You're totally wrong about Move On, but that's a convenient excuse for you to simply blow it off.

And George Soros is one of the Good Guys. Yes, he's a Liberal/Progressive. He's a billionaire who has donated many of his billions to fight poverty and promote true Democracy around the world.

Warren Buffet has pointed out that if multi-billionaires, like him, would give half their wealth to charitable causes, they could end poverty in this country and still have enough wealth to continue to live lavishly themselves. And Bill and Melinda Gates are of the same mind.

But I won't waste my time trying to argue the point--with you.

BUT--I urge others to watch the video. The young lady is quite eloquent and knows what she's talking about. Watch the video and make up your own mind.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 03:12 PM

You forgot the Kochs, in your list of wealthy 'donors' who give lip-service to everybody else sharing their money...Note: The money they invest...err 'donate'...is tax deductible and even has the dividends of kickbacks...not a bad deal at all...

You still aren't addressing the scam(s) that uses the liberal mantras to fund crooked cronies...or are you choking on your spittle?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 03:40 PM

The Koch brothers are a whole different breed of skunk.

I'm perfectly calm, Goofy, because I know I'm in the right, and if you don't want to educated yourself, and/or assume that all wealthy people must, ipso fact, fit your simple-minded stereotype, well, that's okay by me. Live on in ignorance. Your choice.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 05:06 PM

Firth: "I'm perfectly calm, Goofy, because I know I'm in the right,..."

I thought you favored the left...but you know what they say, 'If you're leaning to the right, you must be sitting on the left!"

Firth: "The Koch brothers are a whole different breed of skunk."

One man's perfume is another man's skunk!

Firth: "Live on in ignorance. Your choice."

I must be...I'm still talking to you!
Speaking of which....

Firth: "I'm perfectly calm, Goofy, because I know I'm in the right, and if you don't want to educated yourself,..."

Well so far you haven't proven a damn thing...you just keep posting more dumb opinions by like minded wealthy stealthily funded dupes!..and those jerks are on both sides...if they're YOUR 'like minded wealthy stealthily funded dupes', then you count them as 'The Good Guys'...but the equivalent of the 'other side' are 'The Bad Guys'.
Go look up "The Great War for Civilisation"...and you'll see, that it is all up to interpretation and perception.....no matter how fucking 'noble' they rationalize it.

Oh, and guess what....you're not half as bright as you puff up to be!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 06:10 PM

There is nothing in this world that YOU would ACCEPT as truth, so why should I waste any more time arguing with you?

A waste of time I could be using to forward Liberal / Progressive causes.

Lounge lazily in the garbage heap of history, Goofball. You have lots of Tea Potty company.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 06:23 PM

By the way, Goofball, I have been familiar with the writings of Robert Fisk for years. Did you actually READ him, or are you just emitting intestinal gas as usual?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 10:55 PM

Firth: "And George Soros is one of the Good Guys. Yes, he's a Liberal/Progressive. He's a billionaire who has donated many....."

Firth: "The Koch brothers are a whole different breed of skunk."

Firth: "Warren Buffet has pointed out that if multi-billionaires, like him, would give half their wealth to charitable causes, they could end poverty in this country and still have enough wealth to continue to live lavishly themselves. And Bill and Melinda Gates are of the same mind.".....(except Billy is for decreasing the population with 'vaccines'...but that's another story..)


Now Brain-bound, Remember your good conscript Geek?..Apply what he REPEATEDLY posted to 'the sides'.......and guess who's funding them....

What do both have in common?


Sciencegeek: "It must hark back to the Big Lie propaganda tactics:
never allow the public to cool off;
never admit a fault or wrong;
never concede that there may be some good in your enemy;
never leave room for alternatives;
never accept blame;
concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong;
people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one;
and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it."

They're even neighbors!

I don't believe ANY of their bullshit, as far as it being 'one side or the other'...what part of 'M-A-N-I-P-U-L-A-T-I-O-N' Do you NOT understand???

Fuck what they say..(I'm sure certain con men are just captivated by it)..WATCH what they DO!!!! THERE IS NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE....and through them the people are being burned. Fuck, they are not getting any more attention than they deserve...and the best thing would be to call it what it is, and walk away! Maybe if the people weren't so whooped up thinking that they 'have to do something' or 'get something', the hook for the manipulation might just lose support, and in it's place should the demand go out to get the fucking corruption out!

There, you even have the living example right in front of you...with the aid of your buddy....just remember, I DID tell you back then, that is a two way street....but in disagreeing you will claim number two on the list:....."...never admit a fault or wrong;
never concede that there may be some good in your enemy;
never leave room for alternatives;
never accept blame;"

Are you so intoxicated with your need for notice that you are ignoring your friend's advice??.....and plainly being more stupid than you'll admit????

Check it out.

GfS