A boring place

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 01:48 PM

Speaking of 'BORING'...let's argue about who's arguing!

..........only in Mudcat!

GfS

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 01:40 PM

You don't have time to correct what I post eh? Fook all to correct but I accept it is a struggle for you. Try not tying your boot laces at the same time.

SRS. I don't do any of what you say. If you read properly I challenge bigotry, hate and lies. The origin is irrelevant.

You are confused purely because luckily, Mudcat doesn't have too many odious vermin and their apologists. They are small enough in number and influence to be able to be named without producing a list.

The liberal plot continues!

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 01:33 PM

"I'm not even going to point out Jim's inability to stop, as I'm pretty sure he knows he has a li'l problem."
You seem to have decided which side your on Jeri and have adopted Keith's tactics of ignoring what is posted in response.
My "problem" is I don't wish to share a space with someone who behaves like Keith has consistently done for several years now and appears to have now gone viral
The least I expect is acknowledgement, if not agreement
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 01:27 PM

BTW...I hate these abusive squabbles as much , or more than most.
I would love to be able to have a grown up conversation about all the issues I mentioned earlier, but it really is impossible unless the vandals are given a gentle warning, that continued bad behaviour will result in a term of temporary banishment from the fold.

If they really care for the future of this section, they will pay attention.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 01:26 PM

HEY!...This thread is about being a boring place....could we please get back to the topic!?!?

GfS

P.S. Wink!

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 01:24 PM

NFC...

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 01:24 PM

the individual in questions opinions   is that they breach United Kingdom laws regarding incitement to race hatred

I am not going to argue with you again Jim, but I ask that when you accuse me of saying something, you produce the actual quote.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 01:21 PM

SRS, I don't see how you can lump Keith in with the "pack", he never abuses anyone, only points out wilful lying, distortions and misrepresentations by the usual suspects.

It is important on a forum like this, where serious and controversial subjects are addressed, that truth is protected, distortion and misrepresentation of the words or views of other members,
makes debate impossible, too much time is wasted pointing out the distortions.

One particular member of the "pack", continually distorts what I write, but I just do not have the time to correct everything that he posts.

If we are to have a discussion forum we must ALL be honest, facts are easy to check but most people don't have the time or inclination to look back to check what was actually said.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 01:20 PM

"some of you apparently join a thread just because someone you disagree with has posted and for no other reason. "
Sorry SRS
I have put in a formal complaint regarding the consistent bad behaviour of a member - - by only issues with the individual in questions opinions   is that they breach United Kingdom laws regarding incitement to race hatred, they could, and it has been suggested, have already been the cause of a member from leaving Mudcat and that recent attacks on the Irish and American Irish directly concern members of this forum.
I understood that it was in order to formally resign from Mudcat - I inadvertently sent my complaint to Joe Offer, who tells me he is the wrong person to deal with it.
I expect a response, but did not expect one before the of the holiday.   
It has never been my intention to long-term argue with Keith, just to prevent this forum from being used as a platform for incitement to race-hatred.
Some of us have had problems with B.N.P. trolls hacking into Facebook accounts - it is a little 'bridge too far' to being asked to swallow having their message delivered consistently by a Forum member.
I await a response and, if it is not forthcoming I would like my name removed from Mudcat
Again, with regret
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 01:15 PM

"I am not going to argue with you again Jim"
and
"I am not engaged in bickering."
and
Again: "I am not going to argue with you again Jim..."
I'm not even going to point out Jim's inability to stop, as I'm pretty sure he knows he has a li'l problem.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 01:12 PM

You guys would argue over whether water is wet. You ruin every damned thread you post on. FOAD. Assholes!

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 12:29 PM

Jeri and SRS, I am not engaged in bickering.
I am just denying false allegations about me personally.
It is unreasonable to expect me to let slander go unchallenged.
I am not arguing about anything.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 12:25 PM

I am not going to argue with you again Jim, but I ask that when you accuse me of saying something, you produce the actual quote.

You have not shown me saying or implying your opinion should not be heard. That was a lie.
You can not produce a quote of mine that is anti-Muslim. That was a lie.
On the thread you refer to I repeatedly defended Islam, saying it was not relevant to the offending.
You can not produce any anti-homosexual quote.
That was a lie.

You tell malicious lies against me.

BTW, there is no resignation process to go through.
You just have to stop posting.
As I told you, I think you should stay.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 12:25 PM

Mudcat bickering

GfS

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 12:17 PM

So this is now bickering between Jim, Keith, Musket, Steve, and even Lizzie - who went away for a while - has come back to slug it out, offering up a perfect organic illustration of why Mudcat threads become boring. I agree with Jeri - some of you apparently join a thread just because someone you disagree with has posted and for no other reason.

SRS

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 11:36 AM

When one of you lot post, the thread is going to turn to shit. I wish Max would give the Mudcat Fight Club a permathread and not let you post anywhere else. I also wish I were rich and could fly.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 11:04 AM

"I have never expressed a view about Muslims that anyone, certainly no Muslim, could possibly object to."
I relly am not gong to reproduce your underage sex cultural implant statement again - but perhaps you might explain how no Muslim would ever describe such an accusation as not just being highly offensive, but downright lethal - that is the kind of accusation that incites yobbos to pour petrol through letter-boxes
Hands up all those who would be happy to have a neighbour who has to suppress his cultural implants in order to contain himself from having it off with their under-age daughter - hold those hands up so I can count you all......
"Not just do an impression of someone stuck in a revolving door!
I'm gone--Here I am!--I'm gone--Here I am!--I'm gone-Here I am!-"
Whatever my status here, guest or member, you have no right whatever to undermine what I say by pointing out my situation
I have never resigned from this Forum and it is par for your particular course to suggest I have.
"Who asked you to ride in here and denounce people who have been here for years? We liked things as they were thank you. Go and save someone else please."
Are we to presume someone is posting these in your name - both are from this thread.
I assume you accept everything else I have put up as unchallengable?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Ed T
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 10:11 AM

Thanks, gfs, will look there.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 09:49 AM

A little background music maestro.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST,Gueest from Sanity
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 09:23 AM

Ed, you have to do this, because the link maker wasn't able to....

Go to either Yahoo or Google, and type in: "testimonies of ex-gays"

There are tons of them...some religious based, some not....some therapy based...but what is really interesting is how MANY of them spoke about the hostile pressure put on them from 'anti ex-homosexual activist groups'...They also speak of how FREE they feel getting out of the homosexual trip.

Musket, Your post says NOTHING..just ranting about what a 'bad guy' I am.
Notice how Ed T asks a question??...and discusses the replies in a decent, mature way??
Try it.

GfS

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 09:16 AM

Even before my resignation has gone through, Keith is implying that I had no right to express an opinion as a guest

I am not going to argue with you again Jim, but I ask that when you accuse me of saying something, you produce the actual quote.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 09:12 AM

I find both Keith's and Akanaton's political views on Muslims and homosexuality repugnant,

I am not going to argue with you again Jim, but I ask that when you accuse me of saying something, you produce the actual quote.

The only view I have ever expressed on homosexuals is that I am in favour of gay marriage.
Is that really so repugnant to you?

I have never expressed a view about Muslims that anyone, certainly no Muslim, could possibly object to.

You have to make shit up.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 09:08 AM

Quick addenda
Even before my resignation has gone through, Keith is implying that I had no right to express an opinion as a guest
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 08:56 AM

"you make your point of view very well."
The point is, he doesn't Al - his contributions are wars of attrition, ending in the-last-man-standing - not arguments.
"some people don't agree with you"
Very few people agree with him, he is invariably a lone voice exactly because of the above - the rest of us are "Muppets", "liars" and "swine" before whom he "casts his pearl of wisdom" - he declares himself "invincible (all traceable quotes).
He doesn't come up with new facts - he comes with pre-conceived opinions and seeks out out-of-context cut-'n-pastes which he claims back up those opinions - invariably they don't.
His recently developed technique has become to produce "experts", claim total ignorance in the subject in hand and declare himself to be "only the messenger" - over and over and over again.
Most people come to these arguments to share opinions and knowledge - Keith states regularly that he has "won" something, turning them into competitions.
I've never known anybody being told that they have no right to an opinion the way Keith has here and elsewhere.
I've never known anybody to be called "anti-British", because they criticise aspects of British policy, or "anti-religious" because they criticise the Church - Keith has done the former regularly and has recently developed the latter as a substitute for argument.
I have never had anybody other than Keith tell me I have no right to express an opinion on British politics because we have chosen to live outside that country - in which I was born and brought up - Keith has done so over and over again up to a point where I was forced to threaten to report him for interfering with my right to state an opinion.
It is this behaviour that "will not allow debate on certain issues".
I find both Keith's and Akanaton's political views on Muslims and homosexuality repugnant, but as far as I'm concerned, they can be dealt with openly on a level playing field - though I do feel the "hate" content of them should stay within the law.
Keith's statements have passed that point and his behaviour has done much to ascertain that they will never be debated fairly if he has anything to do with it.
Up to now I have never had recourse to involve site administrators in our disputes - Keith has been the only one to force me break a habit of a lifetime - and it's been wonderfully cathartic - wish I'd done it earlier, then maybe we would't have naused up so many threads with out black-hole arguments.
As I say, he or anybody has the right to take the step I have taken - if I or anybody has breached anybody's right to free speech - report us - we really should not be allowed to continue.
He will now tell us that "this is all lies" - everything heer is traceable and has been raised again and again
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Ed T
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 08:38 AM

"testimonies from EX-homosexuals!! "

You linked one often quoted "ex-homosexual" to back up this statement, gfs. IMO, this person seems suspect and potentially biased.

Is there valid research that you could link on here to add some content to this interesting statement (the type of research that does not come from an agenda- based source)?

I am not "taking you on", or "picking on you specifically" It is because am interested in the validity of this statement, as I have not seen much on this matter. However, I have read much on the opposing viewpoint.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 08:33 AM

I got as far as "Akenaton has it right" before dismissing it as irrelevant drivel.

Goofus waffles on about ex homosexuals and invokes Frank Zappa somewhere in the middle of it. I'll have a pint of what he's on. His posts on this subject really make your toes curl. Perhaps if he could do the reverse treatment on my greyhound he might just stop licking his ex balls all day? Mind you, letting any poor creature near Goofus and his dangerous quackery might just get you on an animal cruelty charge.

Me? Just a stiff back from my seasonal "Jesus on a rubber cross" routine that accompanies gigs during Holy Week.

Counting the days to my holiday if truth be known. Once we get the visiting friends in Inverary and Fife out of the way, it's Cairngorms, foot blisters and hopefully no internet access for a few days. Making the most of it in case we need a visa from the end of the year.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 08:11 AM

the thing is, Keith -people's patience runs out. you make your point of view very well. but you do go on.

I think you have to accept that some people don't agree with you.

you keep coming up with new facts but if someone doesn't have your point of view - its unlikely to persuade.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 08:08 AM

Why not report our behaviour as I have yours Keith?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 07:55 AM

Akenaton has it right.
There is a group who will not allow debate on certain issues.
Their dogma.
They will not or can not argue their case, resorting to swearing, name calling and inventing statements no-one has made to attack.

I name Musket, Jim, Greg and Steve.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 06:05 AM

Frogprince,(or anyone else whose liberal agenda has blinded them), Read the links, before you expound into philosophical 'conjecture'...then I don't have to 'debate' with blankness, void of any understanding of the subject, except your political view on the matter....because the 'so-called liberal concept' dictates that nobody has a choice, to either be homosexual or not!...or to change their 'orientation' (Read: mind)..and then parrot off some idiotic notion that all homosexuals were 'born that way' due to 'genetics', which not only has NOT been proven, and has NO legs to stand on, but quite the opposite has been acknowledged!!...by very the studies your claims say they are based on!!
People are NOT born with 'political agendas' overriding their personal choices....what next?....ideologies are going to dictate what a person HAS to do for a living, based on 'they were born that way' genetics???..or how much they are allowed to make, according to what was 'genetically' predetermined for them...or how creative a person is ALLOWED to be, based on the same nonsense???
The claims that I made, while putting up with DF Firth, (for years) STILL hold up, AND ARE substantiated, not only be the most recent studies, but by testimonies from EX-homosexuals!! ...I know that just grates some of you, but too bad...maybe YOU should change, and adopt another outlook, which concedes that people DO have the freedom to choose who they fuck and why!.....and maybe even have the freedom to change course, recognizing that there just might be some value within them that someday they just might want to pass onto the next generation, of their own!...because IF the decide to want to, is NO business of yours or some restricting idiotic political crackpot notion, that says they can't...or are not allowed...or deny any mental/emotional counseling, that they may desire to help them along the way!!!!
...and as Frank Zappa pointed out in a song years ago..'Who Are the Brain Police'??..YOU???...the Republicans?? Democrats??...Whigs?? Tories??...Greens??..Libertarians??..Tea Party??
Fuck ALL of them!
How about some freedom, again??

GfS

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 05:55 AM

Keep writing Akenaton.

Some of the above makes the shift from contemptable hatred to silly laughable stupidity.

Possibly the first time you have written something that made me laugh rather than feel sick.

Keep it up and given time, you might be able to join polite society, albeit at the fringes.





I do keep making the mistake of taking you at face value. I do forget to take your lack of intelligence into account. I must learn to be more like everyone else on these threads and humour / dismiss you. To date I seem to be the only one who has given you the respect of taking your views seriously.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 05:06 AM

not sure I ever knew the name of the clouds. lets just leave it that way. sorry that I offended you. I do actually try to respect other peoples feelings. i never suspected you of having a thing about men in loin cloths - more my sort of thing really. best wishes -al.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 04:47 AM

>>>>"to be honest Lizzie - at the time you were showering facebook with native American wisdom. I was living off credit cards, and few gigs in toilets and taking care of two very disabled people."<<<

So? Do you have any idea how hard my life is too?

>>>"you simply cannot imagine how platitudinous and bloody offensive - these nuggets of wisdom sounded to someone in my situation - someone deep in battle with the facts of modern life -wondering why other people living and presumably taking advantages of all the goodies available in north America, felt they were above the din of battle."<<<

So? I too struggle, but I also know the wisdom of the Native Americans NEEDS to be shared out as far as possible, even amongst many of their own people, who have become so colonized, and who are struggling FAR more than you or I, Al.   

Russell Means wrote 'If You've Forgotten The Name Of The Clouds, You've Lost Your Way' specifically to try and bring his People BACK into their Culture and Traditions, as well as get his message out to all of us too.

Read it. You may learn a great deal...and trust me, were THIS book 'The Bible', our world would be in a far better state...

>>>"I did try to hint you were getting on my tits - but you didn't take any of the hints. yes women have brains. so try and work out when you are pissing people off if there might be a possible reason."<<<

Excuse me, but I am free to put on MY Facebook page ANYTHING I so choose, as you are on yours...and I would NEVER have the arrogance to feel that you were pissing me off and should change what you do, simply to please me!

I've lived a VERY shitty life for the past 13 years, looked after my now ex-mother-in-law throughout ALL of that time. She's still here with me, will be 100 years old in September...I've been through 2 divorces, had to learn to run a home all on my own, been betrayed, abused and used..and recently, even the subject of a very nasty Facebook Hate Campaign, brought about by a very unpleasant woman who is anything *but* what she pretends to be on her page....So I have EVERY excuse to be truly pissed off and go rampaging around the internet pissing everyone off and behaving like an arrogant twit, but..I choose not to do that.

I will ALWAYS respond to unpleasantness, about me, or about others, defending those who need to be defending, standing up for those who need some support...

If that 'gets on your tits', well, tough, Sunshine, because I will never change the person I am, nor will I ever stop trying to spread the word about the wisdom of Indigenous Peoples and the horror so many of them are going through at present as The Corporations move in on their land, destroying their lives as they do so.

Just as well I blocked you from my FB page. You were quite FREE to leave it though. Respect other people..and if you don't like their pages, just leave them.

I was deeply offended by your remarks, as there is nothing 'sexual fantasy-wise' going on in ANY way with my support of Indigenous Peoples, just a huge amount of anger over their history and current situation and a vast amount of respect that so many of them are still here, still holding on to their culture as best they can, in a world which is rapidly trying to tear them from it, in every way...I will continue to get their story and wisdom out to as many people as I possibly can.


Read Russell's book, for it seems to me that you HAVE Forgotten The Names Of The Clouds......

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 04:27 AM

"It is accepted by both the fluffy end of the market (psychiatry and psychology) and by the test tube end of the market (genetics, neuroscience etc) that such matters are hard wired."

G Orwell...1984.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 04:21 AM

"He equates Glatze's position and condition to being a 'right wing dickhead'....how does 'politics' play into a mental/emotional/behavioral condition, that, according to the airheads, is sexually 'genetic'.....Just that alone, should send up red flags!!!
we KNOW that it is NOT 'genetic'..that is just a ploy, to give it 'Civil Rights' status....which covers RACE, CREED and COLOR. Personal pleasures doesn't seem to fit any of those....maybe unless you consider 'hedonism' a 'religion'"

Sanity hits it on the button Joe, the reason the forum is being destroyed by bad behaviour, is that four or five UKers object to the issues which constitute their political ideology, being discussed.
Homosexual "rights" and health issues arising from the lifestyle, immigration control and the effect of unregulated immigration on society and on the already over loaded infrastructure of the nation. The flaws in the theory of "multiculturalism and the sort of society which it is producing.
Religion and its true role in the guidance of society etc.

They simply have no reasonable answers to these serious and complicated problems and resort to Orwellian language in a concerted attempt to silence all posters with alternative views .....and any others who believe in free speech on controversial issues

There is certainly a "different" attitude towards free discussion here and in the US, this attitude is fostered in all media outlets, most of whom have their freedom of expression curtailed drastically
by EU laws and directives.

Keep you country free, don't be ruled by the pseuds and professionals.   Let the people think and speak for themselves.

For years I have been saying that the American people can save society and every day I become more sure that I have been correct,



They simply do

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 04:17 AM

I know what you are saying Joe. I thought I'd take a leaf out of the book of every other bugger on here and take you out of context.

There again, I'll probably stop doing it now. It isn't the fun it should be.

I fail to see what Keith gets out of it in fact.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 03:27 AM

No bemoaning, Musket - I simply pointed out the differences between the U.S. and U.K. practices and philosophies with regards to freedom of speech. Each one has good points, and each has aspects that are annoying.
Is one better than the other? I don't know.
Maybe one is better-suited to one culture, and the other better-suited to the other.

There's only one thing I can say for certain: they're different. Why fight about it?

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 03:23 AM

It used to puzzle me to go into pubs and see a sign over the counter; "no politics, no religion".
It all comes clear now.
It's not the subjects that are the problem, it's the behaviour of those who discuss them, and the lack of respect and humanity that goes with them.
Most members of this forum seem to have that respect and that humanity - it only takes a few....
This is beginning to resemble a 'John Ford' bar-room brawl - all that's missing is the flying furniture and glasses.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 02:59 AM

Joe bemoans The UK and the differences between it and "the land of the free."

Well Goofus gives us, granted inadvertently, the real difference.

Here, scientific research into what makes someone gay or straight cannot take religious damage into account. It is accepted by both the fluffy end of the market (psychiatry and psychology) and by the test tube end of the market (genetics, neuroscience etc) that such matters are hard wired. Incidentally, so is bisexual. The US victims of religious cures that don't go on to commit suicide are usually, according to a paper I just looked up published in The Lancet the other year, of that ilk.

Here's an interesting nugget for you Goofus. A regulatory condition of providing healthcare here is that published guidelines have to be taken into account. The guidance issued to inspectors (I was closely involved up till last year) will not accept published guidelines of US origin unless It is from NEJM. Our own research body (NICE) feels commercial and political interests can tarnish the results.

I notice that both Kaiser Permanante and Evercare now use NICE guidelines.

See? The petulance of throwing away good quality tea was short sighted. You soon come running back for guidance on how to do things.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 01:31 AM

What's an argy-bargy, Daddy?

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Amos
Date: 20 Apr 14 - 12:44 AM

OR at least, Lord of the Straw Men. Somehow the Mudcat was much more fun before this sort of argy-bargy built up such a head of steam; people spent their creative efforts in being insightful, honest and funny rather than waving their arms and spewing unclever bile at each others' imaginary personae.

May be we need a South of BS section, more appropriately--where anyone who wants to engage in ad hominem pissing contests can do so untroubled by creativity, rationality, or musical interests.


A

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Janie
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 10:35 PM

Lord of the Flies.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Janie
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 09:27 PM

The absolute silence regarding the killing of three people by a crazed man who thought they were jewish is something that in times past would have been discussed at length. An event I know is terribly disturbing to many of us and too important a topic to risk a thread started about it on Mucat today. Not because there might be differences of opinion, but because a small group have taken control who get off on pushing buttons (we all have buttons) understand this is a difficult area to explore and very painful. This simply is no longer a place or community where we can work through such awful events.

Powerful censorship by a small collective, diverse in their views but similar in terms of their personal needs, and absolutely dedicated to gratifying themselves. They are apparently unstoppable. They own this place now.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 08:55 PM

In a thread a few years ago, GfS let it slip that he had a close relative who "decided" to be gay.

That's why he's so hysterical about sexual orientation being determined by genetics. He's terrified of what might be lurking in his own genes.

Note: Reparative therapy applied to gays has a very poor track record, and among other things, has resulted in a number of suicides.

Cthulhu

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 08:31 PM

I really wonder if it's worth using extreme examples in an argument, especially if the example is something in the past that is used to condemn a present-time group. Where is the value in bringing up the Inquisition, or Joe McCarthy, or Idi Amin, or the Westboro Baptist Church, or the Ku Klux Klan? Seems to me, we'd be far better off to evaluate the current issue at hand, maintaining a perspective of the extent and relevance of the issue.

That's often not the case at Mudcat. Self-righteous Mudcat demagogues feel it is their duty to take extreme situations and individuals to serve as "proof" of the wickedness of larger groups. This kind of twisted logic is the root of bigotry - but here at Mudcat, especially when it's spoken by proper liberals, it often seems to be the rule for discussion. Oftentimes, I wonder if there's any chance for rational, peaceful discussion here. Maybe the reason some think Mudcat "a boring place," is that there is no room here for the richness of constructive discussion. That used to be possible here, but it's rare nowadays.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 08:04 PM

I used to work with a bloke who reckoned that the bible was to be taken literally.

he was quite convinced he would be quids in with god, when Jesus came back to kick the shit out of the rest of us.

I don't think you will make much progress in reasoning with such a person, froggy old man.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: frogprince
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 07:02 PM

Michael Glatz has not just swung from being homosexual, or allegedly so, to being vehemenently anti-homosexual. He has also swung from being an educated adult to being a full-blown fundamentalist. Has it occurred to you that that means believing that you live on a six thousand year old earth populated entirely with people and creatures who survived a big flood on a big boat four thousand years ago? We are supposed to make decisions about millions of people based on this person's history and allegations ????

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 06:00 PM

you were getting on my tits...

You're hardly alone, Al - Liz gets on everyones. One of her more "endearing" attributes..

but you didn't take any of the hints

Liz never does - likely 'cause she's never wrong. According to herself.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Ed T
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 05:20 PM

"According to the ideologues, this CAN'T or shouldn't happen."

What ideaologues ars you refering to, gts?

From a research perspective, I have never seen bisexual behaviour ruled out. Like with many things in life, it is reasonable to expect things on both extreme sides, and things overlaping in the middle.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 05:07 PM

Well, ed, if you read the links, in their entirety, it pretty much gives his background...However, you did strike a note well worth thought about Glatze, as well as almost anyone, and that is....'Don't confuse attention with Love!!!'
As to his motives, I'm not inside his brain, but he did have long term 'relationships' with both. When he was with guys, it was homosexual...and now he's married to a woman. According to the ideologues, this CAN'T or shouldn't happen.
Worth noting..the Gnome states: "Imaginary right wing dickhead? Nothing imaginary about Michael Glatze, GfS, but he is definitely a right wing dickhead."
He equates Glatze's position and condition to being a 'right wing dickhead'....how does 'politics' play into a mental/emotional/behavioral condition, that, according to the airheads, is sexually 'genetic'.....Just that alone, should send up red flags!!!
we KNOW that it is NOT 'genetic'..that is just a ploy, to give it 'Civil Rights' status....which covers RACE, CREED and COLOR. Personal pleasures doesn't seem to fit any of those....maybe unless you consider 'hedonism' a 'religion'!
Maybe the 'so-called liberals' can start a fringe party, called the 'Hand-Job Party'!! Same difference!

I am absolutely NOT interested in incorporating political rhetoric as scientific fact. Those who do, are dumber than a box of rocks!

GfS

GfS