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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Joe Offer Date: 17 Apr 14 - 05:31 PM I said above - The mentality of the British Isles: suppress anything that isn't acceptable, and it will go away and life will be wonderful. Now, the mentality here in California is that if something is wrong, put up a sign telling people "Thank you for not doing so-and-so," and the problem will be resolved. As for me, I get annoyed by all the friggin' stupid signs - but people keep posting them. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 17 Apr 14 - 05:28 PM Kudos, Leadbelly!! Glad you started it...it seems like a place where everyone is trying to finish up bitching about things they never resolved, for one reason or another!! Hey, if the Europeans want to fight about something, check out the Ukraine! GfS |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: MGM·Lion Date: 17 Apr 14 - 05:20 PM I wondered also, Amos: couldn't find BOSHG on Google, nor yet on the indispensable "Webopedia Text Messaging and Online Chat Abbreviations" site which I keep as a permanent desktop file. Pray elucidate. ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Leadbelly Date: 17 Apr 14 - 05:18 PM Guest from Sanity, after all, I'm getting proud about initiating this boring place. Obviously, there's some some life in old bones. Wasn't my Intention but it's ok. Funny. I think R'n'R can't be better than this discussion. Please go on, friends!!!! Or come back to the original purpose of this thread. It's up to you. Even if I would I can't change it. Happy Eastern! |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Joe Offer Date: 17 Apr 14 - 05:09 PM
Posted By: GUEST,Eliza 17-Apr-14 - 01:29 PM Thread Name: A boring place Subject: RE: A boring place As an old lady from the UK, I do rather take exception to remarks which tar all British people here with the same brush. Not all posters from Great Britain on this site are as you describe, Joe. I'm actually very surprised at this revelation of your views about us. I'd always admired and appreciated your standpoint on many matters. This seems to me to be an 'ism' (see another thread) Sad. Allow me clarify, Megan and Eliza. For the most part, the voices from the British Isles who have demanded that Mudcat silence other posters, are male voices. The campaign against Lizzie Cornish went on for years, and I think there were a few women in the outraged mob that opposed her - but it was mostly men; and it is men who now demand the silencing of Akenaton and Keith A. of Hertford. But even then, don't you think that Europeans do have a different view about allowing people to say things? In the U.S., free speech is sacred - that does not seem to be the case in Europe. I see people here reporting (or threatening to report) Mudcat to some governmental authority for allowing what they term "illegal speech." And what they describe as illegally bigoted, really seems quite mild to me. Now, I admit the US may go too far in protecting free speech by the Ku Klux Klan and neo-Nazis and that "godhatesfags" Westboro Baptist Church, but I think I'd rather err on the side of freedom of speech [note: I am totally opposed to civilian carrying of firearms for any purpose other than hunting, although Big Mick would disagree with me]. Some people brought up Joe McCarthy as if his 1954 hearings were a recent phenomenon. I do think McCarthy may be a major reason why Americans so strongly protect freedom of speech - they don't want to see McCarthy's suppression happen ever again. Before McCarthy, suppression of speech was fairly common in the U.S. - remember the Scopes trial? Whether the US advocacy of free speech is right or wrong, it's certainly different from the European view. And in the US, honoring demands that Akenaton and Keith be silenced, would be unthinkable. MtheGM above said something about Alabama and Baptists, and I couldn't understand what he was trying to say. Whatever the case, I don't think you'll find much support for Alabama Baptists among U.S. Mudcatters. [Maybe MtheGM was referring to the 40-member Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas?] And you'll really have to scour the U.S. hard to find one person willing to support Joe McCarthy. And I can't quite figure out what Alabama and Baptists and Joe McCarthy have to do with Akenaton and Keith. So, in short, the demands to silence Akenaton and Keith and some others, appear to us Americans to be quite ridiculous. Maybe we're wrong, but that's how we see it. Most of us disagree with them - but we also disagree with the demands that they be silenced. -Joe- P.S. If I have an incorrect understanding of the European view of freedom/suppression of speech, especially as it is understood by males in the British Isles, please correct me by giving me accurate information. And don't blame me for Joe McCarthy and Alabama Baptists in the process. |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 17 Apr 14 - 04:39 PM Amos: "BOSHG on your last comment." BOSHG?? ...ummm ...Barrack Oblabbo Spewing 'Holy Gibberish???? My last post was, "From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 17 Apr 14 - 11:04 AM 'Guest'...Yeah, I do. ..................................................... Funny, for a thread called 'A boring place' this is the most active thread! GfS ...........So I give up..what is BOSHG?...and how does that apply...(yikes, I might be afraid to ask)... |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Dave the Gnome Date: 17 Apr 14 - 04:01 PM Keith - Last sentence of my last post Besides it is now academic. Ake says he is agnostic on whether homosexuality is a perversion or not. Why keep going on about it? D. |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: GUEST,Musket Date: 17 Apr 14 - 03:52 PM It's regrettable that the chippy is shut when I pop round for fish and chips. It's regrettable that Sheffield Wednesday used to have a chairman who tried wrecking the club. It isn't regrettable that some people look down on others. It's wrong. Your logic chopping around the word and inference of pervert is regrettable though. |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: GUEST Date: 17 Apr 14 - 03:23 PM Repeat after me: He said . . . No, I didn't say . . . Yes, you bloody well did say . . . Idiot . . . Don't call me an idiot you moron . . . Now cut and paste some old quotes from whomever. See, he said . . . No, I didn't say . . . Yes, you bloody well did say . . . Idiot . . . Don't call me an idiot you moron . . . Just out of idle musing, how much of that shite would you read? |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 17 Apr 14 - 03:14 PM I meant to say, "I do not think it helpful or appropriate to refer to homosexuality as a perversion, and it is regrettable that Akenaton does, but it is etymologically correct." |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 17 Apr 14 - 03:09 PM If you pervert the course of justice, or are responsible for a perversion of justice, are you a pervert? No. The words have grown apart. The hymn has it, "Perverse and foolish oft I strayed." Are the whole congregation describing themselves as perverts? No. I do not think it helpful or appropriate to refer to homosexuality as a perversion, and it is regrettable that Akenaton does. Why not just refer to that? Why go a step further and pretend he has also called gay people perverts when it is just not true? |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Musket Date: 17 Apr 14 - 02:46 PM Your root seems stuck in the soil too Keith. I thought you'd logic chop with his careful use of the word. Only I expected you to do it in a slightly more clever way. Not the first time you disappoint. I don't think Al was being patronising, worm. I read it as saying old fools are to be humoured and then ignored. Why would marriage be a thing of the past just because gay people are at last recognised as equal stakeholders by the law as well as by respectable people? I recall reading of a Mississippi governor complaining that marriage was devalued when slaves no longer had to jump over the broomstick. |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Dave the Gnome Date: 17 Apr 14 - 02:41 PM Keith. What are people that practice perversions called? If homosexuality is a perversion then those who practice it must be ... (Clue. 8 Letters, starts with a P). Besides it is now academic. Ake says he is agnostic on whether homosexuality is a perversion or not. Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 17 Apr 14 - 02:28 PM So no-one has called a gay person a pervert then. Why do you keep saying it? The noun pervert is now quite distinct from the verb pervert and from perverse and perverted despite having the same root. |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Dave the Gnome Date: 17 Apr 14 - 02:22 PM OK, Ake - So let me see if I have this right. You do believe that gay people are capable of love You do not believe that all they want is sex You no longer believe that they should be forced to register You no longer believe that testing should be compulsory You do not really think that homosexuality is a perversion In other words, you now think that gay people are just the same as you or I. Hurrah! Mudcat has dome some good after all :-) Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Musket Date: 17 Apr 14 - 01:54 PM Aye Al, and the people born after the war in Germany accepted and integrated the old school thoughts of their previous generation. Keith. Look up a few posts in this thread over the last 24 hours. The worm called gay marriage perverted. There. Yes. Just there. Don't get sanctimonious though. You said that lots of people don't agree with lawful marriage and seem to think their numbers legitimise their bigotry. Yes, I do know about old school Al. I once went on a pub trip to the races and afterwards at Batley Variety Club. Know what? After 10 mins of Bernard Manning, despite being enjoyably pissed, I and a few others walked out and went to a nearby pub and met our coach later. I was 24 years old and a miner, so not exactly right on sandal wearing, but I can't be a bully. I can't laugh at hate either. His opening line? Why do pakis smell? So respectable blind people can hate them too. His next joke was about "arse bandits." I don't recall the mirth and humourous wit itself. Actually, I can be a bully. With fucking great knobs on. Accepting that some people lack the intelligence to see how unacceptable their behaviour is all well and good. But encouraging them whilst inwardly wincing? A bit hypocritical if you ask me. When I chaired an NHS Trust, we had a complaint from a patient who didn't want to be touched by a black nurse. His solicitor suggested and NHS Litigation a Authority agreed that we should apologise for the outburst from a particular black nurse when he asked her to find a colleague to care for him. I refused to let the trust apologise, and can gladly say that his legal costs were over £3,000.00 and ours? Zero. Not enough to say you don't agree with bigotry. Some of us get out of our armchairs and face the bastards. |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Jack the Sailor Date: 17 Apr 14 - 01:41 PM HA! |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: MartinRyan Date: 17 Apr 14 - 01:40 PM zzzzzzzzzzzzz........... |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: akenaton Date: 17 Apr 14 - 01:35 PM Al, don't be so bloody patronising. :0) I've been a Commie most of my life....my family were conservative...I think long and hard before I write my posts, I make sure what I say is accurate. Its nothing to do with the culture of the past, but my views on what sort of society we are heading for....1984 is with us now, only it's not totalitarianism, its something much more subtle and insidious. The media rules our lives, I watch the crocodile tears, the false joy, the celebrity lifestyle and I despair. we are losing our grip on reality and what matters in life. Any inconsequential nonsense is regarded as a big deal a tiny fraction, of a tiny fraction of the populace, are likely to take up homosexual "marriage" yet the huge majority of ordinary married folks feel the institution has become a joke....soon marriage will be a thing of the past. What happens when heteros demand their right to civil union? Or should civil union be scrapped when homosexual "marriage is brought forward? What is the purpose of civil union when "marriage" is available? I saying all that, I know your heart is in the right place, you're one of the all time good guys in my book.....and don't worry I wont jump in the loch.....thanks for the laugh :0) |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 17 Apr 14 - 01:29 PM As an old lady from the UK, I do rather take exception to remarks which tar all British people here with the same brush. Not all posters from Great Britain on this site are as you describe, Joe. I'm actually very surprised at this revelation of your views about us. I'd always admired and appreciated your standpoint on many matters. This seems to me to be an 'ism' (see another thread) Sad. |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 17 Apr 14 - 01:17 PM Musket, has anyone here really ever called anyone else a pervert? If they ever have I have missed it, but it seems to be the main plank in your case to be allowed to shout "bigot" in return. |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: The Sandman Date: 17 Apr 14 - 12:16 PM Senator joe McCarthy, yes Michael very good point. |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Big Al Whittle Date: 17 Apr 14 - 12:04 PM Musket the men you are railing at have lived through a time when the views that you find repugnant was actually the law of the land, a time when wearing a wristwatch; sitting with your legs crossed or wearing a wristwatch in public, or wearing suede shoes was regarded by the majority as borderline effeminate. as a northerner - you understand this - don't pretend you don't. so you know how they came to hold these views - so stop being so bloody judgemental. some people reject their parents values - some people don't get the breaks and they don't. now behave yourself! nice manners please! |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Amos Date: 17 Apr 14 - 11:23 AM GfS: BOSHG on your last comment. I think we would all do well to try and sieve out bitterness from our confections before we post them. Who wants to suck on bitter piss, when there's sweeter kinds to be had? There are an infinite number of ways to say any thought, and those ways which include heaping cups of bile are simply less likely to be understood, That should be obvious, no? Why not choose a style of communication that will actually communicate? Secondly, communicating effectively against bigotry and racism is a fine, noble thing to do. But pounding tin pans because you have to be right about the issue is just adding to the cacophony. If you are that obsessed with being right for its own sake, and making others as wrong as possible, seek peace through meditation or professional help. |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: MGM·Lion Date: 17 Apr 14 - 11:17 AM Staying out of this in the main, esp as Jim appears to have gone before I could ask him for his take on Aayan Hirsi Ali. But moved by ....Suppressing speech is completely appalling to us in America.... Joe Offer 0249 am to ask Joe, simply as matters of fact, how [not all that] long it has been since Senator McCarthy's Congressional hearings? And which country, precisely, is Alabama in, whose Baptist community appears occasionally SFAICS to provoke accusations of a certain degree of intolerance? ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Musket Date: 17 Apr 14 - 11:12 AM So... Screaming bigot at a bigot is being a bigot? You live and learn. Bobad. Screaming bigot at someone who opposes their views is not something I have experienced on Mudcat. Pray tell, and I shall point and laugh at them. Once and once only. Anybody can have a view but put a view forward that downgrades the status of sections of society for no reason other than you don't understand them, or your interpretation of an imaginary friend feeds your prejudice, same thing.... That's not a view. That's limiting the legitimacy of people's' fundamental right to a private life of their own choosing. I think you will find the convention on human rights that civilised countries sign up to covers it adequately. You know, the more I read here, the more I wonder how many people actually understand the hurt people feel when fools call them perverts or tell people there are studies to prove they find people for sex not love. I for one don't understand why people defend bitter twisted hatred filled bigots, but there you go. My conscious is clear, but there again I don't have a mythical self justification instrument to thank. |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 17 Apr 14 - 11:04 AM 'Guest'...Yeah, I do. ..................................................... Funny, for a thread called 'A boring place' this is the most active thread! GfS |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: bobad Date: 17 Apr 14 - 10:50 AM "They are ludicrously easy to spot," Indeed they are, they are the ones habitually screaming bigot at anyone who opposes their views. |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: GUEST,Grishka Date: 17 Apr 14 - 10:50 AM Mudcat has not become boring because of heated and largely misguided controversies. Mudcat BS has become boring because of infinite repetition. Some may enjoy this for sadomasochistic motives or have nothing better to do with their time. Others feel the can "win" by having the last word; this never works. If you have a convincing point to make, make it once. If opposing views follow, reply only if you have news, otherwise keep silent. Readers will know what to make of it; usually the earlier posts get most attention. The most enjoyable threads are those which attract enough reasonable or funny posts so that trolls and bickerers can be ignored ostentatiously. A particularly attractive and new topic may do the trick, or a thread creator who is an interesting or highly respected person. For example, the success of a Song Challenge depends on a moderator who inspires creativity and whose appreciation is considered a prize. The following procedure may help finding the right person: members who consider participating make suggestions to Joe privately, by PM or email. As soon as a person has accumulated enough votes, s/he is informed by Joe, again privately so that s/he can refuse. Also, the rules should be changed to suit the new moderator's personality. My proposal for a Tune Writing Challenge (entries by ABC notation) has not yet found many supporters; I am waiting patiently. The moderator may be determined similarly, with more emphasis on musical competence. |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Steve Shaw Date: 17 Apr 14 - 09:54 AM Sheesh. Apart from the fact that I appear to have been accused of calling Jim names (check your facts, please, Al), this thread has been disingenuously steered into straw-man territory. I don't want anyone to be censored (though incitement to hatred laws should be obeyed: there is a limit to free speech). But I don't want to be continually shouted down for railing ardently against bigots by people who are at best indulgent with and at worst silent about said bigots. The only way to confront bigotry is to confront it. That might include telling the bigot why he's a bigot and ridiculing him in the open if he fails to recant. And don't tell me I'm doing judge and jury as to who's a bigot. They are ludicrously easy to spot, but, unfortunately, just as easy to be in denial about, it seems. |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Musket Date: 17 Apr 14 - 09:37 AM I'm a twat though, unlike Dr King. I also made quite sure I did not compare myself to him. In fact I couldn't wait for the stupidity of the replies. Cheers Jack..... I compare myself to anybody who will not make excuses for bigotry, and if that includes Martin Luther King or Mrs Bloggs then I am also similar in having two legs and an itchy arse. I posted it waiting for the indignation that someone might invoke Dr King into the debate. Well done. Think about it, your complacency and acceptance of hate whilst castigating those who oppose it means one thing. You revere a national hero of whom you've never read or understood a single fucking word of what he said.... Amazing. Al. You are too nice. Blessed are the meek for they shall inhibit the earth. I'll go out with a huge great bang, if it's all the same. So just so I know the etiquette around here. You can call people, including some Mudcat members perverted and you can say they prefer sex to love and you can say their marriages promote transmission of HIV and that ok. You live near a loch. A bigger fucking monster than Nessie but you live near a lock so that's ok. Challenge such hate and you are small minded and you are a censor to boot. Yes. I am a censor. No problem though, I have a solution. Www.mudcatbutifyouaregayyoumaybeupsetby whatisallowedtobepublishedinapublicplace.com Now, we can say what we think about poufs, queers, shirt lifters, niggers, pakis, sheep shagging welsh twats and banjo players. And we can't say we didn't warn them. |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Jack the Sailor Date: 17 Apr 14 - 09:18 AM Musket. We respect Dr. King. Dr. King didn't put words in other people's mouths. Dr. King didn't try to turn every conversation with a bigot into a conversation about bigotry. Dr. King persuaded. Dr. King didn't bully. Dr. King didn't drive people away. Dr. King brought people together. Please do not compare yourself to Dr. King again. I find that far far more offensive than anything Akenaton gas ever said. |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Big Al Whittle Date: 17 Apr 14 - 09:17 AM don't recall Martin Luther King slinging round shit and abuse, Musket. generally speaking I thought he was rather dignified. as gene Kelly said in singing in the rain...dignity! dignity! at all times dignity! |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 17 Apr 14 - 08:57 AM Me too (love mudcat! bs - particularly! ) |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 17 Apr 14 - 08:55 AM Me too. Why do some people demand censorship? If they could win an argument they would not need to. I find I am never challenged on what I actually say. Often I am attacked for what those people wrongly infer to be my position. More often they misrepresent what I have said, and attack me for things I never have and never would say. |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Big Mick Date: 17 Apr 14 - 08:42 AM Musket, congratulations! You win today's "If I can't win the game I will fuck up the board" award. It takes a high degree of skill at obfuscation to win this award., congratulations lad! That last post was a masterful piece of burying specific points raised by Joe in a pile of generalizations that only vaguely relate to his specific analysis. You very skillfully mixed in your view of the colonials with your high road victims status. I am impressed. |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Big Al Whittle Date: 17 Apr 14 - 08:30 AM love mudcat! bs - particularly! |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Big Al Whittle Date: 17 Apr 14 - 08:28 AM I guess you're right Joe =we do tend to let people know if we think articulating their ideas is likely to cause trouble. also we don't allow people access to guns. the difference is I suppose that our country has been bombed by fascists, Irish republicans, Islamic extremists - well you've had that last one yourself. not nice, is it? we even had one bastard who set off a nail bomb in a gay pub -presumably he thought they were sub human perverts. having said that I sympathise with you. Ake is an old guy who lives near a loch in Scotland. to stop him jumping in, he shares his thought with us. Keith believes someone who says - or implies they have stood on top of the Divis flats in Belfast and shot English soldiers. people who have actually done that tend to keep quiet. Keith sees redeeming qualities in the Daily Mail. Jim is an old guy rightly proud of his association with the greatest folksingers in the cannon of British folk music. However - he is so far out whack that he cannot bring himself to admit that Bob Dylan and Donovan inspired 10 times more people to enter folk club than Ewan ever did. Either way they are elderly gentlemen (admittedly crotchety) come to Mudcat for fellowship - and them being called names by Steve and other self righteous souls is an unedifying sight. I apologise for my fellow countrymen. |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Jim Carroll Date: 17 Apr 14 - 08:23 AM Joe You have my reply to your message, which I received this morning - thank you. I would be happy for you to put it up for public viewing, as I believe it expresses all the misgivings I feel about what I has happened to Mudcat over the last few years. I have resigned from membership of this forum because I believe it is being used inappropriately by a small number of people; I have made it clear that I believe that, had some of the statements that have been made here, been made outside of the internet, they would be in breach of British law regarding incitement to race and cultural hatred. Discussion on certain topics on Mudcat has become a personal embarrassment among people who come across those discussions casually It is with deep regret that I have come to my decision; my time here has been both enjoyable and educational. I send my best wishes to all who I have exchanged ideas with and learned from. Good luck Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Musket Date: 17 Apr 14 - 08:14 AM I know you don't get it about The UK Joe. after all, in The USA, you've never had people who challenge bigotry have you? I suggest you read up on Martin Luther King, he had that small minded UK attitude too... I wonder where he came from? I will take lectures on the USA verses UK the day The USA stops killing its prisoners, torturing terror suspects and putting the rights of small pricks with big guns over the lives of those they kill. Homophobes and bigots do have the right to their view. Horrible as they are , they are views. I have the right to challenge small minded views too. I used to inspect prisons and mental health hospitals, including the forensic end of the market, I am used to hearing views and weighing them against society's expectation. No. I don't accept them as valid views, and neither does society at large. Why? Because they are views that are detrimental to others. They single out whole sections of society and state how they shouldn't have rights, that their choice of wife or husband is perverted. And I shall carry on pointing out that there are people who like folk music who may wish to come to this website and yet it needs a warning that if you are gay you may be offended because the moderators can't tell the difference between free speech and words that set out to cause inequality and harm. Reminds me a bit of "Fuck 'em, they're only Jews." And what's more, I refuse point blank to accept that anybody could side with people who don't see fellow humans as equal. You should become religious Joe. They keep harping on about all equal under God or some such waffle. You might learn humility. |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Amos Date: 17 Apr 14 - 03:24 AM It's fascinating how peckerheaded folks can get. This thread is a classic example. It starts off on one topic and tehn the Usual Suspects move in like a cluster of razor-toothed fish on a river pig, sawing and nibbling with complete focus, not to say compulsion and obsession, apparently unaware of the illogical dingery in which they are thrashing., There is a ratio between signal and noise that has to be maintained for a sense of continuity and a minimum level of harmony to occur in a discussion. Blind quibbles get tedious, blind quibbling is boring, and blind quibblers wear on the patience. That said, my opinion on the issue of ISlam or any other "ism", cult, religion, faith or body of belief is that the insanity is always individual and the fanaticism is always a personal madness. It simply doesn't fly to tar wide swaths of humanity with the same brush. The faith is usually an excuse for the dramatization of individual mental illness to leak out. Absent the individual mental illness, the faith doesn't instill fanaticism. |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: akenaton Date: 17 Apr 14 - 03:06 AM Cross posted, thank you Joe. Keith and I disagree, about many things, but I admire him as an honest and free thinking individual. The important thing about free speech is that you always try to be completely accurate in what you say and what you quote, and that your beliefs and reasonable and sincere....at least to yourself. You are correct about the difference in mindset between many UKers and those from the US, I find your attitude admirable and positive, while many here practice a "faith" of political ideology, which is insidious and negative. I salute you and your countrymen...and women. |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: akenaton Date: 17 Apr 14 - 02:53 AM Dave, if you read the text of my original post on the subject, you may be able to comprehend this. "Homosexuals" are defined by who they prefer to have sex with. That is not to say that they are incapable of "love"" It is all clearly explained in the original post, sex is possible without "love".....Love is possible without "sex"? On homosexuality as a perversion, I am still an agnostic. I am a bit fed up with having my words distorted in every post...Ake. |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Joe Offer Date: 17 Apr 14 - 02:49 AM Megan L, I'm sure there are many in the British Isles who don't think that way, but this thinking that Mudcat should not "allow" things to be expressed comes from posters from the British Isles, and only from the British Isles. According to some posters from the British Isles, Mudcat should be criminally prosecuted for allowing people like Keith and akenaton to speak what they think. I used to get more-or-less the same thing for my failure to suppress Lizzie Cornish. Suppressing speech is completely appalling to us in America. I usually disagree with Keith and akenaton, but I think they have a right to say what they say. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: GUEST Date: 17 Apr 14 - 02:36 AM GfS: You still got the yahoo account? |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 17 Apr 14 - 02:23 AM 'Guest': "This is substantially cheaper than daycare." Yeah?..Well SOME of us don't need daycare! Ed T, Ed T, An interesting perspective, which may relate to my earlier thread to Jim Carroll. Note that I am not attempting to get into the other discussion- just providing something for consideration that may relate to "the great puzzle", that likely has no simple "one size fits all) answer. I'm aware of the perspective of your link...and I'll take you one further... Latent homosexuality...and there is a lot of it, Women dressing to impress other women, men trying to impress other guys by being 'more macho', when those are taken to extremes.... Steve Shaw: "I have several gay friends, some of whom are in relationships and some who are not. I have even more friends that are in live-together setups for who marriage is an irrelevance. I love 'em all." Well, if you 'love them all' encourage them to get tested, so the number in 'all' won't decrease! ....as far as: Steve: "The missus finds this very amusing but I always riposte with the "use or or lose it" argument." Most of your posted are pretty indicative of that...you've lost it and are still trying to use it! Joe Offer: "I think the BS section of Mudcat has shown itself to be well-nigh useless, just a place for people to be nasty and show their worst attributes." You think??...I think that if one scours the posts, there is PLENTY of good lyrical material content....I know...I've given you all a ton of them! (Which, in one of my earliest posts, I said I'd do!)~~~(wink!).... AND, there is this GEM from a guy named 'Joe'... Joe Offer: """If I understand him correctly, Jesus says that all Scripture is to be interpreted with two basic laws in mind: Love God above all things Love your neighbor as yourself If you keep these two principles in mind and remember that they may not be violated under any circumstances, the rest of Scripture starts to make sense - and it's impossible to honestly move to the extremes of interpretation."" ....and you have been quoted!!!! Thank You...!!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Megan L Date: 17 Apr 14 - 02:15 AM Joe I know certain folk are frustrating but please do not throw blankets that is not "THE BRITISH MENTALITY" it is the opinion of a small but vociferous group of rather small minded people. |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Joe Offer Date: 17 Apr 14 - 02:00 AM ....and it's frightening to think that when I read 1984, that year was far away in the unimaginable future... |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: Joe Offer Date: 17 Apr 14 - 01:52 AM Right, Musket. We have to silence all those people who say bad things and put them in jail or execute them or something like that. And we have to do the same to people who let those people say bad things. Yeah, right.... The mentality of the British Isles: suppress anything that isn't acceptable, and it will go away and life will be wonderful. Sorry, but I'd much rather see us err on the side of freedom of expression. Your thinking sounds too much like Orwell's 1984. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: A boring place From: GUEST,Musket Date: 17 Apr 14 - 01:15 AM I often wondered how complacency allows hate to flourish. I've stopped wondering. The only thing that surprises me is the lack of take up for my suggestion that we discuss how to hate niggers. |
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