A boring place

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Apr 14 - 12:30 AM

I miss Shambles, too, Bert. He and his wife were supposed to visit me here in California, and then he blew up at me and became my sworn enemy. Don't know if he ever made it here, but he didn't contact me. Too bad. I think we could have had a good time together.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 14 - 12:29 AM

This is substantially cheaper than daycare.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Bert
Date: 17 Apr 14 - 12:27 AM

Thanks for clearing the air on that one Joe.

I stand corrected.

I still miss the silly bugger though.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Apr 14 - 12:27 AM

Jim Carroll posted this above:

All academic now Dave - I'm gone
I no longer wish to remain a member of a forum that allows racist attacks on entire ethnic communities and who allows member to attack other members behind their backs from other threads.
Keith has turned Mudcat into a slimehole for me - you are welcome to him and good luck
Jim Carroll

This is the response I e-mailed to him:

Hi, Jim -

I really appreciate your knowledge of folk music and the information you've contributed over the years. I hope that won't stop - we are building a valuable body of knowledge at Mudcat, and I don't think there is any better place for building such a body of knowledge.

I think the BS section of Mudcat has shown itself to be well-nigh useless, just a place for people to be nasty and show their worst attributes.

And I think you have shown some of your worst in the BS section. You display the typical British Isles attitude that discussions must be controlled, and distasteful points of view should not be permitted.

I quote you:
I cannot possibly see how you can be allowed to continue pumping out your filth on this forum
At the very least, the site administrators should ascertain that yur postings are kept within the law.

He has been indulging in racism and sectarianism for several years now - it has become a one-man crusade on his part and, following his latest attack on the Irish (my family, friends and neighbours), I have decided that he should be stopped or that I disassociate myself with a forum that allows such behaviour to the extent is is now happening.

I am no longer prepared to remain a member of a forum which allows such behaviour.

I think all of these refer to Keith A of Hertford. I generally don't agree with Keith's opinions, but I certainly don't see them as dramatically horrible as you and some others appear to perceive them.

And no, I do not agree that Mudcat has any obligation to refuse to allow such comments from Keith and others who hold his point of view. If we don't allow opposing points of view, how can we discuss anything?

I've been very grateful over the years for all the musical help and information you've given me on Mudcat and privately. Personally, I like you very much, even though we have at times had bitter disagreements. I hope some day we will meet in person, and I predict we'll have a great time together.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jeri
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 09:16 PM

Dave, I started writing that before you posted. I do think you enjoy doing trolls, which you've pretty much said yourself, but the "persistently involved in" part was most definitely other people.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 08:26 PM

if you're not illiterate Steve....prove it! by gad sir, I've taken on bigger illiterates than you.

I've had object correlatives sprawled at my feet begging for mercy. I've split infinitives with my bare hands.

you watch it mate!

anyone who says my mate Ake doesn't know about perverts, is a bit of stinker!

no wonder our American friends want you locked up and quarantined.

Robert Louis Stevenson had it right   - beware the hoose of Shaws!

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 07:19 PM

Steve Shaw, You are the only person I know of who is illiterate and blames the writer for what he can't read. here is a suggestion. I'm sure that the Walt Disney companies have forums aimed at your reading level.

Well, Wackeroo, had I typed your short post I would have used a small "y" for "you" and I would have used a capital H for "here". I could also point out the ambiguity in "blames the writer for what he can't read". Not sure whether, with that little "he", you mean me or the writer there, Wacko! Still, I'm illiterate and you're not, eh? One fine day you will learn that taking me on over my use of and understanding of English is very unwise. Now do be silent for a while, you red-faced little pillock! :-)


What's the difference between Bing Crosby and Walt Disney?


Bing Crosby sings but Walt disnae....

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 07:08 PM

Steve Shaw, You are the only person I know of who is illiterate and blames the writer for what he can't read. here is a suggestion. I'm sure that the Walt Disney companies have forums aimed at your reading level.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 07:03 PM

And why is it you guys (Brits) think it's heinous to incite hatred of a group of people, but you're perfectly find targeting/hounding/bullying one single individual? I don't get what makes that sort of hatred acceptable.

Fundamentally, this difference is what's at the heart of much of the discord in threads that you guys fuck up are persistently involved in. We don't get you, and you don't get us.

Perhaps you'd care to tell us what in Christ's name you're talking about.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 07:02 PM

What she said.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 07:02 PM

Yes, OK Jeri, I see where you are coming from. The fact of the matter is, for me at any rate, is that I don't hate anyone on here. What I do dislike immensely is that fact that someone can get away with tarring a whole bunch of very nice people as perverts and you, the moderators, think that it is acceptable. I know you have a hard job to do but my simple little mind cannot understand why you cannot see the difference between negatively stereotyping gays and calling all blacks rapists or all Jews misers.

Can you really not get it? That I will stand against such ridiculous statements? I have never targeted an individual. If ANYONE, including you, stated that gay people were perverted I would argue against them. Is it really so difficult?

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 07:00 PM

I have a wife and two kids. I'm 62 but love to see all the bikinis and the midriffs and the pert/squishy bums (at 62 one is not fussy) that summer brings to Bude. Mmmm, squishy bums... The missus finds this very amusing but I always riposte with the "use or or lose it" argument. I have several gay friends, some of whom are in relationships and some who are not. I have even more friends that are in live-together setups for who marriage is an irrelevance. I love 'em all. Come round to my house, Akenhateon, and tell me what "sexual grouping" I'm in. After I've metaphorically punched you on you metaphorically-bigoted nose, I'll ring up the Jehovah's Witnesses and ask them to come round for some light relief.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jeri
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 06:49 PM

Al, if someone takes piccies of you, please tell me where I can see them.

I feel like I may be interrupting a lover's quarrel, or at least a family one. Lots of children with uncle-daddies in it, but hey.
We don't have laws against hate SPEECH here, no "incitement to hatred". We have "incitement to violence laws" and "hate crimes", that are pretty much just crimes, but inspired by hatred.

If we had laws against hate speech, a few radio/TV commentators, a few ("few"?!") Teaprats, the fucking Westboro Baptist idiots, and Fox "news" would be in jail forever. I don't like the concept of disallowing speech of any sort, but I can sort of see a few perks.

And why is it you guys (Brits) think it's heinous to incite hatred of a group of people, but you're perfectly find targeting/hounding/bullying one single individual? I don't get what makes that sort of hatred acceptable.

Fundamentally, this difference is what's at the heart of much of the discord in threads that you guys fuck up are persistently involved in. We don't get you, and you don't get us.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 06:37 PM

Since you are so fond of poking holes why don't you get yourself a freaking dart board. You'll do more to rid the world of hatred by do that than you will pissing all over this forum.

I don't need a dartboard thanks, I don't play darts, but if I did there is a standard one in my nearest pub and a Manchester board in the next one. I really don't know what you mean by 'pissing all over this forum' unless it is that you think I make it damp and smelly. Do you? How is Carol BTW? Not seen her on here for ages. Has she decided that it is too boring? Or is she just too embarrassed by the antics of some members?

:D tG

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 06:24 PM

well if I were a gay muslim ......I would go wherever Jim has gone....Ireland or somewhere like that, and I wouldn't bandy words with the likes of you lot.

its black tights and a short skirt for me. Riverdance rocks!

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 06:19 PM

BTW - Why do you keep on posting when you resigned from Mudcat some weeks back?

That's not what I did.

Since you are so fond of poking holes why don't you get yourself a freaking dart board. You'll do more to rid the world of hatred by do that than you will pissing all over this forum.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Ed T
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 06:02 PM

Gfs, An interesting perspective, which may relate to your earlier thread to Jim Carroll. Note that I am not attempting to get into the other discussion- just providing something for consideration that may relate to "the great puzzle", that likely has no simple "one size fits all) answer.

Another perspective on "situational homosexuality" 

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 05:51 PM

For fuck's sakes DtG, if you know he is going to say the same thing why do you keep bringing it up.

Errrrr, because he keeps insisting that homosexuals are perverts maybe? If we let him get away with it he will think it is OK to incite hatred? A couple of reasons to keep you going. BTW - Why do you keep on posting when you resigned from Mudcat some weeks back?

DtG

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 05:46 PM

I have provided the reasoned argument but you rejected it. Love between consenting adults can never be a perversion. So you DO believe that all homosexuals are perverts? I think that pretty much sums up your views on homosexuality.

And don't worry, as long as you carry on calling a whole group of society perverts, including some people I know and respect, I will continue defending them. Your futile arguments don't have the capability to fool any right minded person.

DtG

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 05:43 PM

For fuck's sakes DtG, if you know he is going to say the same thing why do you keep bringing it up.

Pissing on stones isn't going to turn them into corn flakes.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 05:36 PM

You are being boring Dave. I thought you were safely ensconsed with your friends in Room 101.

Anyway, I have been getting into trouble for repeating myself, so for the last time..... I don't know, as neither you nor anyone else has furnished me with a reasoned argument as to why homosexuality is NOT a perversion.

I will never give up hope....patiently waiting.....farewell......

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 05:23 PM

but how much lying and distortion do you expect me to put up with?

At the risk of being boring. Ake, do you believe that all homosexuals are perverts? I will accept that I could have misunderstood your point about sex defining people. I will also accept that you have now changed your stance on forced testing. Putting marriage in quotes is stupid but, hey, a lot of people do worse. There is only the above question left.

DtG

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 05:16 PM

Jack, I've been trying to keep out of this, don't respond to abuse from Ian, remain civil at all times, play by your rules, but how much lying and distortion do you expect me to put up with?

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 05:15 PM

A symptom of a 'psychotic' is that they never learn from past mistakes!..and they become 'boring'...no matter how much 'passion' they express...

Enjoy the piece...seems apropos!


GfS

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 05:06 PM

Jim's had more farewell's to Mudcat than a PROPER diva.

Don't worry I'm sure he'll keep us entertained for a long time to come. :0)

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 04:53 PM

What could be boring about the same 6 or 7 people having the same argument all the time?

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 04:51 PM

The "pack" must have lost the little bit of sense they had.

How can anyone think, that heteros or homosexuals are NOT sexual groupings?
The mind boggles!

This ideology that they hold is surely a sort of madness?

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 04:50 PM

No idea of the US law Sanitry
As far as I'm concerned, anybody who provokes hatred against any group- gender, race... whatever; are sickos and should be liable to prosecution.
One of the good o'l traditional pastimes when I lived in London was "queerbashing" - teams of fellers who went around kicking the shit out of any man they believed to be gay.
I don't suppose your man's message world have been much of a comfort to the feller who had to carry his teeth home in his pocket - wadya think?
God's mysterious ways never cease to bemuse me
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 04:37 PM

Jim Carroll: "'Incitement to hatred is a criminal offence.' Should this guy be charged?

GfS

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Leadbelly
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 04:25 PM

Ed T : Excactly!!

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Musket
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 03:09 PM

He's bound to use terms such as sexual groupings, as he has a puerile fascination with anal sex. He thinks all gay men indulge in anal sex for starters and uses the term MSM to mean homosexual.

Creepy little sod, isn't he? Keith has finally shown his true colours too.

A sad day that such awful hurtful comments are still on the website. A true stain.

I call them every nasty but true thing I can think of, but that is reaction to criminal comment. Millions of gay people have done nothing wrong to have them spew their bile and try to claim they are second class citizens.

Keith sums it up when he justifies bigotry by pointing out that respect for the law is optional if it means you have to respect the rights of others.

That's the beauty of the internet. They don't necessarily have to look anybody in the face who knows the odious views they shout. Luckily, I don't have to look at them either.




Still waiting for the moderators to say whether I am fit for purpose in a job I don't have?

By the way worm. Any healthcare professional, including manager who in their professional capacity said what you are saying, they would be in front of a fitness to practice panel for the clinician and suspended pending investigation in all cases. Incitement to hatred is a criminal offence. Twisting health statistics to justify it can get you struck off.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 02:42 PM

"Sexual groupings?" Jaysus, mods. The day someone apprises me of the sexual grouping I belong to is the day I metaphorically punch the bugger on the nose. This is what you're letting this board turn into. Shame!

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Musket
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 02:30 PM

I was going to say something else, but I'll leave it with asking the moderators if they can't confront incitement to hate, perhaps the end justifies the means by noting the worm has said I have a job with the health service and questioning my fitness for purpose.

That I am not a healthcare manager anyway is neither here nor there.

If you don't agree with the law, tell it to a criminal website, because it can form the basis of no argument in a forum of law abiding people.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Ed T
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 01:57 PM

Boring!- a better word is needed? 

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 01:57 PM

Ake. Simple question. Do you believe all homosexuals are perverts?

DtG

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 01:51 PM

Oh dear, I stopped responding to Ian,s (musket)nonsense long ago, but I am sorry Keith is having to correct the lies and distortions that he prints about me. i suggest everyone stops responding until he behaves in a reasonable way, or shows any comprehension as to the posts of others.

If he really is as clueless as he seems, how on earth does he hold down a responsible job with any health service?   It's frightening!
I'm not going to try to rectify all his misunderstandings, but the ones he quoted are so bloody obvious that i suppose i might as well make my meaning clear for the "intellectually challenged"

All sexual groupings are defined by who they prefer to have sex with, NOT who they love......Homosexuals(same sex)....heterosexuals (male/female ).....Paedophiles (pre-pubescent children)...there are many groupings ALL defined by who they prefer to have sex with, NOT who they "love"

The facts about "open relationships" among MSM were directly from a US study which I linked to in my post. Almost 50% of all MSM "marriages" unions, were self described as "open relationships" in the area of the study. They were said to include numerous sexual partners, which the authors described as a "health risk" associated with HIV transmission.

I always put homosexual "marriage" in inverted commas, as I do not agree with the redefinition of the institution of marriage, to accommodate a tiny sexual minority (1.5 of the adult population.
I simply do not agree with the legislation.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 01:25 PM

Look up weasel words on wiki, Keith.
That might well be your imperialistic western view of marriage,

It is not my view.
I favour gay marriage, but it IS very widely believed that marriage is by definition mixed sex.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 01:23 PM

Dick, how could you, say I was a pleasant person and then add the vicious calumny that I "have an interest in folk music"! What kind of impression do you think that gives to the general public?

:D tG

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 01:17 PM

I have met Keith A and Dave the Gnome in person, they are two pleasant people who have an interest in folk music, I try not to make judgements about anyone based on their communications on the internet.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 01:16 PM

Bye, Jim. Good luck wherever you go.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 01:10 PM

All academic now Dave - I'm gone
I no longer wish to remain a member of a forum that allows racist attacks on entire ethnic communities and who allows member to attack other members behind their backs from other threads.
Keith has turned Mudcat into a slimehole for me - you are welcome to him and good luck
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 12:54 PM

he dominates every single thread he is on, swamping them with his postings - I would guess that his postings number nearly twice as many as any other member of this forum.

Just for the record I decided to check

Keith A - 12339 posts
Jim C - 10038 posts

By comparison

Big Mick - 10421 posts
Me (DtG) - 12875 posts

So do I win or lose? One beauty of this place is that it is so easy to check things like earlier posts and posting history. Wonder why more people don't?

:D tG

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 12:52 PM

Just an addition to Keith's behaviour
He is at this moment attacking two of us on a thread neither of us are involved in
That is the level of his respect for members of this forum
He is an out-of-control nut-case
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 12:50 PM

I fully support Jim. It seems to me that the moderators here only ever tell us off for having a shout at people. They never seem to address the real poison on the forum.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 12:47 PM

It is very widely believed [sic] that marriage is by definition mixed sex.

Look up weasel words on wiki, Keith.

That might well be your imperialistic western view of marriage, but it is not shared by everyone on this planet, not by a long chalk, not even in the west. But imperialistic western views are the only ones you espouse, as we know from your attitude to Palestine, for example.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 12:41 PM

"In every thread? No matter the subject of the thread?"
Again - with respect Mick.
This thread was opened to discuss what has happened to this forum
Keith entered it quite early with the below posting.
This was before any of us mentioned the subject - to be quite honest, I really wasn't going to bother posting.
He has been indulging in racism and sectarianism for several years now - it has become a one-man crusade on his part and, following his latest attack on the Irish (my family, friends and neighbours), I have decided that he should be stopped or that I disassociate myself with a forum that allows such behaviour to the extent is is now happening.
It as all very well to suggest that we ignore him - he dominates every single thread he is on, swamping them with his postings - I would guess that his postings number nearly twice as many as any other member of this forum.
Walking away would mean that those of us who are interested in the subjects that he has admitted he is not interested enough to have learned anything about beforehand - he slaughters thread after thread with his war of attrition, last-man-standing technique.
I am no longer prepared to remain a member of a forum which allows such behaviour.
He started this - for me it is a point where I have to decide whether to hang round and let him continue to destroy what I find an enjoyable and educational forum, or go away and leave him to it - simple as that.
Apologies again
Jim Carroll

From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 09:16 AM
We have always had that kind of person, but I do not remember a pack of them before.
I am not aware of any racists or homophobes here, but the pack sees them.
They can just tell and, as Musket and Steve just told us, they think that makes it OK to go after them.
Or, if a gentle person tries to explain why he believes in creation.
r if the most reasonable longstanding Mudcat member I can think of tries to discuss religious persecution, a week later he has to ask that his thread be closed.
There is a changed environment here now

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Musket
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 12:08 PM

Yes Frogprince and hopefully, people will carry on showing that hate and bigotry have no place in society till the hate merchants have nowhere to go where their odious filth is accepted.

Decent people deserve better than old men with personality disorder publishing lies about them.

That a whole section of society are into sex not love and that they as an identified group cheat on their husbands and boyfriends is beneath contempt.

So, who's up for a bit of nigger bashing? After all, how many niggers post on Mudcat? After queers,they are the next highest group to spread HIV. You never know, a normal person might infected if we don't single them out for hate.




Anyone got a bucket handy?

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Ed T
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 12:07 PM

"Is it good if a vacuum really sucks?" Anonymous quote

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Big Mick
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 12:03 PM

Dear Jim and Keith, et al,

In every thread? No matter the subject of the thread?

All the best,

Mick

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: frogprince
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 11:54 AM

Has it ever occurred to some of these folks that there might be some tiny, subtle difference between (1) clearly and forcefully making your point if you find something expressed here unacceptable, and (2)
beating your point to death, stomping it all over the floor, smearing it up the walls, taking a dump in the middle of it, and flinging it all at everyone who passes by, for weeks and months on end ?