BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 03:30 PM

I thought mention of Roud 7882 would turn this into a music thread.
Just twigged, pardon the pun
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 11:58 AM

And this from a man who CLAIMS he never gives out abuse ...tut tut

I think he's lying again ...... so no change there.

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 11:55 AM

Arf, arf! Nice one, #.

PS I long-time owe you a big apology, but I can't pm you.

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 11:23 AM

Just realised as well. How sad is it to think that anyone needed sad explaining? I'd say it was pretty bad but that would only get twisted to meaning good...

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: GUEST,#
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 11:11 AM

And foolishly I thought mention of Roud 7882 would turn this into a music thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 11:03 AM

But I am none of those things either so you are still a liar. Besides, you only changed your mind when you were proved wrong on the first count. As usual. :-P

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 10:47 AM

FYI, the other definition of "sad."

sad
1
ADJECTIVE
1.
feeling or showing sorrow; unhappy:

"I was sad and subdued"

synonyms: unhappy · sorrowful · dejected · regretful · depressed ·

2.
informal

pathetically inadequate or unfashionable:

"the show is tongue-in-cheek—anyone who takes it seriously is a bit sad"

synonyms: substandard · below standard · below par · bad · deficient

You sad people.

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 10:24 AM

I assume we're all finished here - this pair seem to be trying to close the thread, having been given a severe kicking
INCREMENTAL GENOCIDE
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 10:06 AM

Another wanker then. Gives pleasure to no-one but himself.

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 09:35 AM

And like the stooges they are they all log in to chirp in unison.

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 08:39 AM

That's Bruce, who dredges extremist Zionist sites to prove we're all Antisemites
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 08:24 AM

There is only one fact obvious in these threads, dear Gusset. (Yes, that was on purpose) The fact that whenever anyone says anything that disputes whatever Keith is saying he finds a way to distort what was said, either by himself or the other party. And of course you never make a sorry spectacle of yourself by sitting anonymously on the sidelines and sniping at people. Some people have a funny idea of what looks foolish.

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 08:03 AM

And then there's the moron posting as a guest to "support" the moron. Even better!!

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 07:58 AM

Give 'em facts and they're defeated so they resort to this nonsense and make a sorry spectacle of themselves. The worst thing is that they think they are being smart and clever with these tactics - talk about a lack of insight. Clapton wept.

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 07:53 AM

"I am quite happy at the moment"
Me too - wonderful week off music and song at the Willie Clancy Summer School - great year for making our collection available - two great radio programmes on MacColl and the possibility of singing workshops taking off in Ireland - (oh, and Keith continuing to make himself look the prat he is)
What more could a girl ask for? - might decide to live to 150!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 07:50 AM

I'm not sad either, in fact I'm quite enjoying myself.

Taking the piss out of a moron ................. good fun
Preparing Strawberries to make Jam tomorrow .... good fun
Preparing kitchen for delivery of new American style fridge freezer this afternoon ................................. good fun
Taking the piss out of a moron again ........... good fun
Meeting up with friends for a pint later, with some of my home made Blue Stilton.................................... good fun
Probably a bit more piss taking later........... good fun

No definitely not sad at all!

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 07:39 AM

I am not sad. I am quite happy at the moment. You are a liar and you lose! :-P

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 07:23 AM

You sad people.

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 06:17 AM

You missed the bit "where" not "we"

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 06:13 AM

Just had a thought Dave, you missed the bit we A N Other was abusing him by causing rain to fall in Hertford

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 06:10 AM

"Anything except answer what I say, because you can't."
You have had your answered and you ignore them - go give nothing in return other than "israel didn't do it" - no explanations, no evidence, no links to why they did what they did and continue to do.
It is little wonder some people resort to personal abuse soemtimes
The greatest threat to humanity today is Holy War and nuclear facilitated Israel with its expansionist policies and its desire to creat a monotheist apartheid state, is a leading figure in that threat.
Nuclear weapons have always been a threat - in the hands of zealots, they could well bring about the destruction of the planet.
When that happens - we are all "sad losers", and our children and our children's children....
"Far better for your sanity to just take the piss."
Haven't you noticed. it doesn't work with Keith - no sense, no feeling
Much better to let him perform in public.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 06:02 AM

That about sums it up.

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 05:34 AM

No, fair is fair, Raggy. Keith is quite right in his statement Anything except answer what I say, because you can't.

No-one can answer what Keith says because no-one knows what he actualy means. It goes sort of like this.

Keith: It is a lovely day today.
AN Other: Well, it is rather dull and overcast here.
Keith: It is not dull and overcast here.
AN Other: I am only saying it is dull and overcast here.
Keith: It is sunny. You are a liar.
AN Other: The forecast says it is going to cloud over in Hertford later.

An hour or two passes and it does indeed start to rain on Keith's head

Keith: It may be raining but that is not what I meant by a lovely day. I only meant I feel really good today. Why do you people always twist everything I say. You lose.

Have I got it right?

(Copied to Facebook for posterity in case it gets deleted :-) )

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 05:19 AM

And of course his "winning" is FAR more important than innocent civilians wherever they are being killed.

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 05:16 AM

Yes.
You people mock, take the piss, make up lies, and vomit out obscene personal abuse.
Anything except answer what I say, because you can't.

You sad losers.

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 04:40 AM

As I pointed out before, there is not point in playing with a cheat. Far better for your sanity to just take the piss.

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 04:38 AM

"You say a lot of embarrassing things yourself Jim,"
Do I
I certainly don't deliver them in the mysoginist manner you do
I agree with much of awhet you say (politically), but I find your delivery hard to take sometimes.
Women really are more than their sexual parts.
"Jim, we all know that you have a deranged obsession for attacking Israel."
No I haven't - I don't find the horror of massacres deranged.
I find your appeasing such things and defending the culprits obscene - I've never met a Christian who would sink to that level.
"The victims are buried and Tunisia's tourism destroyed."
Thosands of civilian lives have been lost and homes and hospitals destroyed and their country has been ruined, yet you continue to defend the perpetrators.
In addition - what has happened in Gaza will continue to stoke the fire of hatred for Isis and the killing will continue into the forseeable future, and you would attempt to stop us from pointing out that fact
"A tragedy, but perhaps time to move on."
NO - a time to put a stop to it by tackling one of the major contributory factors
Perhaps then we can move on to discussing the propping uo and selling of weapons to despotic regimes - another contributory factor.
I don't get your literary references - we obviously read different books!!
Jim Carroll;

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 04:25 AM

I think that is his way of rolling over a waving his paws in the air. I'd say "he lose"

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Musket
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 04:21 AM

You say a lot of embarrassing things yourself Jim, and at face value, occasionally make Keith's diatribe seem reasonable.

Glass houses and all that.

I take the piss, you give him material to beat you down with.

Reality is nearer to you than him, but it's not always easy to see it.

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 04:07 AM

Jim, we all know that you have a deranged obsession for attacking Israel.

Fine, but this thread is about the IS attack in Tunisia, and you are just the mad woman in the attic.
(With Rag doll and popgun.

The victims are buried and Tunisia's tourism destroyed.
A tragedy, but perhaps time to move on.

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Jul 15 - 03:33 AM

"Can I say "fuck off wanker" to Keith too?"
I wish you wouldn't - it only lets him off the hook.
It's bad enough trying to take part in a discussion with him constantly trying to censor and manipulate.
Your loutish, and far-too-often misogynist language is like trying to carry out a serious conversation in a pub full of foul-mouthed bikers.
It would be to his advantage if this thread were closed - stop doing his job for him and give it a rest.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jul 15 - 08:52 PM

Every quote above is from Israel's allies, Americans and Poodle Britain - what else are they going to say?
They were taken from the NGO Monitor, a pro-Israeli agency based in Jerusalem and funded by donations from the right wing 'Jewish Agency for Israel and Matan' - they are Israeli propagandists.
According to Haaretz, in 2012 they were challenged for attempting to hide the source of their donations
Hamas is a poorly armed. poorly trained irregular army facing the most sophisticated, well armed, well trained fighting force in the Middle East.
Whether or not Hamas's method of fighting is illegal or not, is beside the point - they are fighting a defensive war and their actions are no different than any force fighting such odds.
Last year Israel invaded Gaza and killed more than 2,220 Palestinians, 1,492 of them civilians; at least 513 of them children.
The Israelis indiscriminately destroyed hospitals, health centres, schools, public buildings - most of them occupied by civilians.
According to Haaretz, in the first half of 2014, the Israelis demolished 493 Palestinian buildings leaving 1 ,177 Palestinian people homeless.
THe UN has calculated that 22,000 homes were rendered uninhabitable during the fighting.
On one occasion, health workers informed Israelis that their patients were in the path of advancing troops, they were instructed to take keep all its inmates inside one of the buildings (the health workers had providence the co-ordinates) - the building was later shelled by tank fire.
Towards the end of the fighting, Israeli troops reported that Israeli death squads were picking off Palestinian survivors sheltering in the ruins of buildings
THESE ARE WAR CRIMES AND NEED TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR - INSTEAD, ISRAEL HAS CALLED FOR THE DISMANTLING OF THE INTERNATIONAL WAR CRIMES COURT - WHY WOULDN'T THEY?
"greatest impetus for Hamas to launch its war."
Hamas did not launch this war, on the contrary, Israel invaded Gaza and massacred its citizens indiscriminately in revenge for the kidnapping and killing of three students.
On 9 Aug 2014, an Israeli drone killed five children from one family - revenge enough, if revenge against civilians was considered necessary.
No matter how illegal Hamas's action is, it measures small against the number of Palestinians killed and wounded down the years by Israelis - troops and settlers.
Hamas is doing nothing that Israeli freedom fighters didn't do following British pulling oput of Palestine.
"Jim, this thread is about the IS massacre in Tunia."
Israeli atrocities are directly connected to the rise of Islamist terrorism - you don't want to discuss that aspecy of it - don't, but do not attempt to interfere with anybody else doing so
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jul 15 - 06:54 PM

Colonel Richard Kemp, former head of the international terrorism and Iraq team for the Joint Intelligence Committee:
"The report is morally bankrupt, making no distinction between the Israel Defense Forces, the legitimate armed forces of a Western liberal democracy and Hamas, an internationally-proscribed terrorist group that operates a tyrannical dictatorship over the citizens of Gaza. The report has no military insight and it is quite clear that the UN commissioners and the drafters of the report have no knowledge or experience of armed conflict."

Major-General Michael D. Jones, Former Chief of Staff, U.S. Central Command:
"While it is positive that the UN's Gaza report acknowledged that all combatants are required to abide by the law, and that Hamas's and other groups' indiscriminate rocket fire at Israel was unlawful, it is disappointing that the report fails to condemn these groups for unlawfully failing to distinguish themselves as combatants, as well as purposefully co-locating amongst civilians, knowingly placing them at risk, with absolutely no military necessity to do so. I am also disappointed that the report, came to conclusions without sufficient information to make a judgment. Specifically, they condemn the IDF for engagements without any information on the IDF's objectives, military necessity, or known information on risk."

Professor Geoffrey Corn, Professor of Law at South Texas College of Law and former chief of the Law of War Branch in the International Law Division, US Judge Advocate General:
"Unfortunately, findings of IDF LAOC violations throughout this Report rest on flawed or under inclusive interpretations of the law, and an inadequate consideration or appreciation of the realities of combat operations, ultimately undermining the credibility of these findings. What is obvious, however, is that only one party to this conflict - the IDF - demonstrated commitment to LOAC compliance, even when confronting an enemy who deliberately violated the law to gain tactical and strategic advantage."

Jonathan Schanzer, vice president of research at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies:
"The report gives no thought or attention to the actors that enabled the war... Iran has for years helped Hamas acquire long range rockets and develop domestic rocket making capabilities...the support that Turkey and Qatar provided to Hamas in the years leading up to the conflict, not to mention the diplomatic campaign that it waged on Hamas' behalf during the war. The role of Egypt is downplayed greatly... more than 1,000 tunnels had been destroyed before the war began...[this] was perhaps the greatest impetus for Hamas to launch its war... designed to re-negotiate the flow of goods and services between Egypt and Gaza."

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: GUEST,#
Date: 12 Jul 15 - 04:35 PM

Damn. That should have read

Roud 7882.

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Jul 15 - 04:21 PM

you bugger Dave !!! I thought I might "win" until your last post :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jul 15 - 04:05 PM

Well done for getting my thread closed, Keith. Maybe I could do the same here.

Fuck off you wanker.

Think that will do it? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 12 Jul 15 - 03:46 PM

There we have it, an unpalatable truth which, because it doesn't fit into someone's preconceived remit, is conveniently ignored. However many members have very long memories.

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jul 15 - 02:58 PM

Rag, I refer you to my reply 11 Jul 15 - 04:19 AM .

Jim, this thread is about the IS massacre in Tunia.
It could reasonably be extended to include other IS atrocities, like the genocide of Yazidi, Christians and Shia, and the destruction of their places of worship and enslavement of women and girls.

I can't stop you trying to hijack this thread and make it into just another of the many attacking Israel, but I will not be a party to it.

If you want to discuss the Gaza conflict, I am happy to oblige but this thread is about an unrelated tragedy.

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 12 Jul 15 - 01:35 PM

I refer yet again to my post of 10th July (07.25) which has yet to elicit a response.

Is there a problem I ask myself?

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jul 15 - 01:30 PM

"Start a thread and I will answer."
This one will do fine Keith
"Afraid Jim?"
You seem not to have noticed but I'm making the running here, you are just squaling "thread drift" again
Can't really recall you ever saying anything other than "they diudn't do it" - no contest
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: GUEST,#
Date: 12 Jul 15 - 12:50 PM

Round 7882 if anyone's interested.

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jul 15 - 12:47 PM

And stop trying to manipulate and censor threads - you've been told before (though you deny doing it)
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jul 15 - 12:46 PM

Gaza again.
Start a thread and I will answer.
Afraid Jim?

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jul 15 - 12:45 PM

Now you're dodging by pointing to others
Burning Mosques is no different than burning Synagogues - both are atrocities (you suggested they were not) and one doesn't cancel out the other.
The massacre of 550 plus children, on the other hand....!!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jul 15 - 12:24 PM

Another act of arson in a place of worship.
Outside Israel's borders mosques and churches are blown to rubble and the worshippers gruesomely executed except the girls who are forced into sexual slavery, and genocide is what is going on.

Why do you people always and only single out Israel, even on a thread with no relevance, while you ignore infinitely worse crimes all around.

Prejudice.

If you want to your points about Gaza addressed again, reopen one of the many threads about it or start yet another.

Musket, if you are not a liar, put up a quote.
Good luck with that, liar.

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: GUEST,Musket full of crabs
Date: 12 Jul 15 - 11:21 AM

Were the little scamps who bomb hospitals and schools in Palestine arrested and convicted too?

The problem is Keith, you lack the wisdom and intelligence to see both sides of any situation so you gun for your heroes (anyone not Muslim, anyone who is a revisionist tame establishment historian etc etc) and never acknowledge the reality, which is usually in the middle, though for some reason, never close to your agenda.

I blame people bending religious nonsense for many issues and you want Christians excluded from the list. Apparently they don't do (whatever.). Then you deny posting it.

You put yourself up for ridicule and baiting because with your credibility so low, intelligent debate is impossible with you. Personally, I resort to taking the piss. Some try to appeal to whatever common sense you may have and most just drift from Mudcat.

Well done.

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jul 15 - 11:20 AM

Do it properly and make it easy:
BAD ISRAELI YOUTHS OR AN ATROCITY?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jul 15 - 11:17 AM

"Is that an "Israeli atrocity" Rag?"
Yes it is, it was an atrocity carried out by Israelis
Such behaviour is commonplace in Israel today, as is the eviction of families to make room for settlers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/8041828/Israeli-settlers-set-fire-to-mosque.html
The real atrocities were the slaughter of civilians that took place last year, including the killing of 550 plus children, though there should never be a sliding-scale for atrocities.
The fact that they were punished is immaterial
There are those among us who have no compunction in talking about "Muslim atrocities" - it goes to make up many headlines in the sewer press.
jIM cARROLL

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jul 15 - 11:13 AM

Every country has its share of bigoted fanatics, and Israel is no different.
Why do you people always single out Israel, even on a thread with no relevance?
It makes you appear as bigoted fanatics.

Subject: RE: BS: Beach massacre in Tunisia
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jul 15 - 10:38 AM

Some bad Israeli youths caused arson in a church.
They were arrested an convicted.
Is that an "Israeli atrocity" Rag?