BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls

Subject: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: gnu
Date: 13 Dec 15 - 08:23 PM

Seriously? This fuckin nutbar passes a nutbar and it's big news? it's a "relief"?

What kind of a circus... a dog and pony show complete with dancing monkeys... is being paraded in front of... is being tolerated by "The most powerful nation on earth"? Cough, cough... most powerful... ha! Sweet Jaysus this is really getting to be sickening. Why aren't Yanks demanding that this embarrassing cluster fuck with these no-mind idiots be stopped?

These assholes threaten the entire earth. Ted Cruz???? Really?! He is the voice of reason for the GOP? WTF?

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Dec 15 - 08:29 PM

Hey! He used to be a Canadian citizen!

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,#
Date: 13 Dec 15 - 08:29 PM

I thought Cruz would have passed Trump in the toilet. Live and learn.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: olddude
Date: 13 Dec 15 - 09:40 PM

And the difference is... Like trading a kick in the
Nuts for... A kick in the nuts

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,WhyHateCruz?
Date: 13 Dec 15 - 10:37 PM

Ok, I've got to ask. I've yet to hear any reason why people hate Cruz so much. I've heard people say he's as bad as Trump. But what's so bad about him? I haven't paid him that much attention, but I haven't noticed anything crazy.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: gillymor
Date: 13 Dec 15 - 11:25 PM

Trump still leads in the national polls but Cruz is out front in Iowa. The GOP winners in the last 2 Iowa caucuses were Huckabee in 2008 and Sanctorum in 2012 so a win there is probably more indicative of how conservative a candidate is than anything else.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: olddude
Date: 13 Dec 15 - 11:32 PM

He is so far right he won't even eat with his left hand. He shut down the entire government budget until they would appeal Obama care. Didn't work but caused the dollar to fall and government workers have no checks for a few weeks. This is just the start.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: olddude
Date: 13 Dec 15 - 11:33 PM

Tea party golden boy

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,Tia
Date: 13 Dec 15 - 11:37 PM

Denies climate change.
Thinks LGBTQ is evil.
Called for "repeal of every word of Common Core" (read the Common Core regulations to understand how stupid this is... Trick question BTW).
Yeah, go ahead and hate Cruz.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,Tia
Date: 13 Dec 15 - 11:39 PM

Accepted the endorsement of a man who called for execution of abortionists... A few days before Colorado Springs massacre.
Shall I go on?

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,High Lo
Date: 14 Dec 15 - 02:26 AM

I thought you had to be born in the US to run for President.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Dec 15 - 03:24 AM

Its a bit like someone turning up at a folk club saying their banjo has been nicked but spending the insurance money on a bodhran.

So... Are we to call her President Elect Clinton yet? Or is The USA going to give us another series of this dark comedy series beforehand? Even the French got around to waking up to the dangers of encouraging certifiable monsters yesterday.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Mr Red
Date: 14 Dec 15 - 08:30 AM

comparing Donald (Bald Eagle) Trump (all meanings apply) to a bodhran is extremely hurtful and disrespectful to Bodhranista the world over. At least we know when to stop!

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Mr Red
Date: 14 Dec 15 - 08:31 AM

I thought Cruz was a missile




I'll get my coat.............

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Dec 15 - 09:31 AM

Cruz & Trump both part and parcel of the Weimarization of America. Muslims will shortly be required to sew yellow crescent-shaped patches bearing the letter "M" onto their clothes.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: olddude
Date: 14 Dec 15 - 10:20 AM

He evenlooks llike Joe Mccarthy

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: gillymor
Date: 14 Dec 15 - 10:27 AM

He does, Dan, and he's made more than a few McCarthyesque pronouncements on the floor of the Senate.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: olddude
Date: 14 Dec 15 - 10:32 AM

Don't be silly Greg, they will all be confined to an interment camp someplace

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Dec 15 - 10:43 AM

It gets tedious hearing these GOP candidates recount their hard scrabble lives. It sounds like pander. Rubio talks about his immigrant parents washing dishes and collecting pop bottles (or whatever) to make ends meet. Lindsay Graham talks about his parents owning a liquor store, a bar and a pool room (sounds like they might've actually made some money). Cruz talks about his alcoholic dad leaving the family then getting religion and reuniting with the family and eventually becoming a pastor. More power to whatever gets you sober and your life back on track, but that religious predilection to hawk Jesus as if He were a used car seems to have rubbed off on Cruz. Cruz has this faux-earnestness etched into his countenance at all times that comes off as insincere when he's talking about political ideals. He should just own the whole image and don some sort of sparkly televangelist gaudy suit and conduct his speeches with a Bible in one hand and a crucifix in the other. All of these candidates will probably reiterate how hard they've had it growing up and how it made them into the sleazy politicians they are today in the next GOP debate on Tuesday.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 14 Dec 15 - 11:37 AM

The caucus system lends itself to this sort of thing. You don't just show up, cast a ballot and then leave. You need to hang around for a while. This means that casual voters (or people who work off-shift) do not attend.

On the Republican side the Evangelical wing has a much larger voice than they do in general elections (or daily life) which explains the last two winners and how Cruz has moved in front now. Still does not explain Trump.

Obama won Iowa in the general election in both 2008 and 2012 so the evangelical influence only goes so far.

btw, I would LOVE to not be first in the nomination process. What a pain in the arse. We get hit with so much crap so early and so often it turns ones stomach.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: gnu
Date: 14 Dec 15 - 04:45 PM

"I haven't paid him that much attention, but I haven't noticed anything crazy." Get thee to a physician.

"So... Are we to call her President Elect Clinton yet?" No, we are to call HIM President Elect Bernie Sanders... unless the election is rigged yet again.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: olddude
Date: 14 Dec 15 - 06:58 PM

No, be careful of Rubio, that guy has a strong popular appeal. I don't like him but he certainly can make a run and could beat hillary. That is what many tv talking heads are saying. Yikes

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: olddude
Date: 14 Dec 15 - 07:08 PM

Cnn poll just now says Rubio beats hillary
In the general election ugh

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Dec 15 - 07:37 PM

To answer the first question: "What kind of a circus... is being paraded in front of... "

It's a Republican clown special. They no longer breed candidates who understand issues and diplomacy... they pick wannabes who can spout the slogan-of-the-day without totally tripping over their own tongues and changing the line to suit the supposed situation. In the meantime, they take pot-shots at each other in a sort of disorganized circular firing squad.

Why? Because the demographics are shifting so that they no longer have safe majorities in many places without voter suppression and Gerrymandering districts. They are pinning their 'hopes' on riding guns, abortions, religion (and anti- Islam) and the idea of not allowing Obama to pass anything, then accusing him of 'failure' while they lie about what he HAS done.

What is going on is pure desperation to get ONE Republican elected so they can pack the court(s) and pass extreme legislation to allow keeping power, even with a minority of the popular vote. IF they don't win, each wants all the publicity they can get to get them cushy 'jobs' in the private sector, or as lobbyists. None of them seem to care about anything except trashing each other and any Democrat who looks halfway competent.

Somewhere there are a few old-style Repubs who are shaking their head sadly and laying low... hoping that the circular firing squad hits a few.......

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: olddude
Date: 14 Dec 15 - 07:57 PM

Bill, it's all jello plain and simple. That's the strongest swear word I know

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Mr Red
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 04:17 AM

Brown jello?

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 07:38 AM

Just watched Mr Trump, (who I know very little about, other than he is very unpopular on Mudcat).

He was discussing Syria with some TV talking head and making LOTS of sense. He seemed to appreciate the position Russia is taking regarding the Assad regime and the need to work with them if ISIS is to be pushed back.....they will never be defeated outright.

People here cast him as a dummy, but in the interview he spoke more hard common sense than I have heard from any mainstream politician in years.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: gillymor
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 08:59 AM

Trump's no dummy, he's carved himself out a constituency of racists and xenophobes that's got him out ahead in the GOP polls. If these people were voting in the Nielsen ratings he'd do just fine but his fear-mongering alienates far more voters than it appeals to. It also seems that a good portion of his supporters rarely vote.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 09:14 AM

Trump says stuff that many people want to hear... and 'some' of the things he says are superficially ...ummmm.... 'interesting'... like "talking tough to Putin"... or "building a fence along the Mexican border"... or "bombing Isis into oblivion"...or a dozen other things.

The problem is, most of what he promises are either illegal, impossible or already being done! He has NO... I repeat.. NO real, practical plan to do them. He is simply blustering on topics that play to fear and prejudice. He has no concept of the process of actual running a government---- you do not 'rule by decree'.

If he were, by some magic, to get elected, he would spend most of his time explaining how..."we are working on that" and butting heads with Congress and constitutional scholars.

Trump is a loud-mouthed bully...... you can sometimes make a lot of money being one, but being a diplomat and a leader in a democracy requires a different mind-set.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 10:34 AM

I've just read a newspaper article regarding the fear that US Muslims live in now that Trump has rather publicly made hate and discrimination popular again.

The Las Vegas surgeon who wonders why Trump is doing the work of the terrorists makes grim reading. (BBC News website.)

By the way, the person above saying Trump makes sense also claims, depending on the weather, that he is himself a communist, member of the liberal leaning Scottish party in government that has just disassociated itself with Trump's business dealings in Scotland, oh and to be fair, his views on equality are in a place that even Trump hasn't sunk down to, just yet.

Luckily, he doesn't get to vote in a country he only sees on the telly.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: olddude
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 10:35 AM

He is reality show entertainment. I still think the American people are smarter than that, I hope. He doesn't have a prayer of winning and if he makes it to the candidate, he will sink the Republican party and they know it.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 10:58 AM

If he stands for the Republican ticket, they lose. If he goes independent and splits their vote, they lose.

I hope you haven't thrown out all those dinner place cards with President Clinton written on them. They will come in handy again soon.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 11:37 AM

I still think the American people are smarter than that

Obviously about 30% of Republicans aren't Dan. And that in itself is pretty scary.

Add the 25% supporting that jackass Rubio and it gets scarier still.

Then throw in the 10%-12% still supporting Dr. Batshit Crazy.

The Republican Party has degenerated into a loose collection of morons.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 11:57 AM

Well I was confining myself to Mr Trumps views on how to deal with ISIS.....The Obama crowd don't seem to have a clue ....Wont join a coalition with Russia, Wont use Assad's troops, support the people who are fighting Assad, even tho' they are also killing the Kurds.
Surely they cant make the same mistake three times in a row

The US is being left behind...They never expected Putin to take control, they backed the wrong horse and now don't know how to get of out of the saddle.

I also agree with him that steps must be taken to sort out the problem of Muslim immigration, not just in the US, but all over the "developed" world.

and what on earth has the guy's haircut got to do with foreign policy?

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,#
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 12:10 PM

The Democrats will have to invite Bernie Sanders in from the cold, but that aside, the Republicans stand no chance this election. The world is changing, I think for the better. Americans are not a stupid people although there are some ya gotta wonder about. The key issue will be getting young/new voters off their derrières and to the polls. I think Canada has led the way on this (and that's not nationalism talking). We got so POed at the press that we said "ef it" and voted our consciences. The result was an overthrow of the Conservatives who tried the attack-ad style of campaigning they were coached on by Republican shills and failed because of it. People are tired of news media's manipulation, and until the Republicans see that they will be relegated to second-party status. But, once again, getting out the vote is crucial. If y'all can do that I think the GOP will be lucky to get 45% of the vote, and that will be a first for quite some time.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: olddude
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 12:55 PM

Agree completely my brother. I alsowwonder how accurate the polls are. One called me and I said Trump is my man Lol

Wonder how manyoother people did that to mess with them. We want him to be picked so they can lose big

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: olddude
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 01:00 PM

And lord, I apoligize for fibbin to that poll takin lady. And apoligize for fibbin that I am sorry for fibbin to that poll takin lady

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: olddude
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 01:18 PM

The poll lady asked me why I like trump and I said, 'he will build a wall and protect us from those Mexicans and Muslims and other foreign people'

Dear lord, I apoligize for playing the dumbass red neck, to the poll lady. It did make me laugh though.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 03:27 PM

When Akenaton says steps should be taken regarding Muslim immigration across the western world, he does not speak for a single UK citizen and I am embarrassed to see such awful comments published by someone with the same access to education and privilege as me.

His support for terrorism equals that of Trump and ISIS, who are trying to divide a wedge between people based on their religion.

Sickening. Truly sickening. We expect better over here and incitement to hatred is thankfully a criminal offence.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 03:31 PM

LOLOL..Dan, I'm sure you'll get the Lord's approval for messing with stupidity.   
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" how to deal with ISIS.....The Obama crowd don't seem to have a clue"

Ake... there IS no simple way to deal with those who hide among the innocents and often don't care if they die. Air strikes at their bases and munitions is about the only obvious thing. They WANT us to send ground troops so they can kill Americans.... and at least some of them think they are 'destined' to win a Holy War. How do you "get a clue" to cope with misguided insanity?

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 03:33 PM

He is well qualified to address your final point.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 04:18 PM

Well said Guest of 0327 Mudcat time.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 05:02 PM

Bill, creating division amongst those who want to contain ISIS is not a very smart policy.

The US have been bombing for months and the territory controlled by ISIS continued to expand. Bombing alone is ineffective without ground troops......Assad has the only uniformed army in the conflict, fighting for their country. Can we not admit we were wrong and throw our weight behind his troops? They are apparently making significant progress.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 05:09 PM

Nothing new in my remarks concerning Muslim immigrants, didn't President Carter cancel the visas of Iranian citizens in the early eighties? I think they call it protecting your people?

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 05:38 PM

"Cruz has this faux-earnestness etched into his countenance at all times that comes off as insincere when he's talking about political ideals. He should just own the whole image and don some sort of sparkly televangelist gaudy suit and conduct his speeches with a Bible in one hand and a crucifix in the other. All of these candidates will probably reiterate how hard they've had it growing up and how it made them into the sleazy politicians they are today in the next GOP debate on Tuesday."

...and in Hillary's book, 'Hard Choices' she was damn near destitute when she left the White House. She said she could barely afford her 25 houses....poor thing. Let's vote for her because she has led you to believe that she's one of you....
..but then, if she was a Republican...or even a man, you'd all be up in arms, whining!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Dec 15 - 07:26 PM

Wounded British Soldier Shuts Up Anti Muslim Racists with Epic Message

Read this, Ake, and reflect. Please. The bulwark you have erected against compassionate acceptance of Muslims from around the world (today) and gay marriage (in the past - and I know I will regret bringing this up) are fossil remnants of world that I don't think you'd really enjoy living in. Love your neighbors, and give them the same respect and rights you have. And ignore the nonsense that GfS spouts. That is all.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Dec 15 - 12:30 AM

Acme: " And ignore the nonsense that GfS spouts. That is all."

Yeah!...because it's the truth, and Acme doesn't want any part of it!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 16 Dec 15 - 03:01 AM

Wise words indeed Acme.

Out of interest, Carter didn't cancel the visa of a single Muslim any more than he cancelled the visa a of single {insert any sports team} fan. He took action against a country that declared its opposition to The USA and its citizens were caught up in that.

To try to twist that to some crusade bullshit means you watch too much Murdoch inspired tv. Worse still, you appear incapable of judging it. I would say beware what you watch but in your case I'd say beware gay Muslims who live in caravans.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Dec 15 - 03:56 AM

I don't support Mr Trump's economic policies and realise that he is probably using the problem to further his political ambitions Acme.

However, to ignore the situation which is developing in most Western countries regarding Islamic Fundamentalism, is political idiocy.
Ignoring these people is no longer an option, why on earth do you think the major Western powers are at last wakening up to the problem?

It looks on the cards that global coalition is going to be formed to at least mount a holding operation and to interject that there is no problem to begin with is extremely foolish.

Since you mention it, my views on homosexual "marriage" have not changed, I still think that the figures prove that male homosexual practice is extremely dangerous and should not be PROMOTED by any government.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Dec 15 - 04:15 AM

Acme, your rather dubious link seems to assert that people who point out the dangers of IF hate all Muslims?

That is rather like the worn out epithet frequently used here, that to oppose "gay marriage" equates to hatred of all homosexuals?