BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Lighter
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 04:29 PM

Of course we're a long way from perfect, but in terms of national wealth, fair play for citizens, integration of ethnic and sexual minorities, productivity, longevity, standard of living, cultural and intellectual influence, and raw military power (which seems to fascinate Trump more than anything except Islamophobia and a wall on the Mexican border), America is at its greatest right now.

The only actual decline I see is in the accelerating control over politics by the few wealthiest families with the turbocharged aid of their Super Pacs.

It's *Congress,* not America, that's at low ebb. But Trump or Cruz can quickly bring the Executive and Judicial branches down to the same level.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 04:14 PM

Dan, I can prove everything I posted...however, that would be too much of a thread drift. I'm sure as events unfold there will be plenty of posts about it.

Frogprince: "At what point did it cease to be great? Why, and who was to blame?"

Probably November 22, 1963.

"The Warren Commission should have really been called the "Allen Dulles Commission" because he controlled it and made it the farce that it was. Dulles was probably an elite sponsor (i.e. murderer), as well as certainly Lyndon Johnson. The 3 hardcore cover up artists on the Warren Commission were the 3 Council on Foreign Relations members: Allen Dulles (president CFR 1946-50), John J. McCloy (then chairman of the CFR 1953-1970) and Gerald Ford (CFR member, later president). John J. McCloy was a Rockefeller man, former head of Chase Manhattan bank, and very deep US intelligence since the OSS days. John J. McCloy's nickname was "Chairman of the American Establishment," and he mixed at the highest levels of business, intelligence and he was close to the Kennedy-hating Texas business elite. Cover up artist Gerald Ford was secretly reporting to Hoover and the FBI what the Warren Commission was doing. In 1970, Newsweek called Gerald Ford the CIA's "best friend in Congress." The CFR especially 40 years ago, was heavily Rockefeller influenced and it top players were deep CIA."

The whole article

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: olddude
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 04:05 PM

And as far as my faith that is personal, I would never call myself Christian of the Palin, oral roberts university hate peddler type. I prefer to follow christ instead.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: olddude
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 03:54 PM

You have no idea what you are saying. Repeating the Republican hate lines. Sorry but most thinking Americans don't follow the tea baggage lies of Palin and company. It is why the party will never again own the white house

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: frogprince
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 03:54 PM

Since Trump's slogan is what it is, I would like to hear (so far as I would like to hear anything from him) his answers to these questions:

At what historic point do you think America was at it's greatest?

At what point did it cease to be great? Why, and who was to blame?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 03:21 PM

They served themselves at the country's expense. Perhaps you can see your friends on 'visiting day'...there is NO excuse for the lying, corruption and evading justice. They are the perfect example of greed and avarice run amuck, while betraying the public's trust, abuse of women, their participation in Iran/Contra, and a host of other things, that if they were 'Republicans' you'd be screaming bloody murder!..and as I alluded to, before, if you were really their friend, and a
Christian, you'd be all over them to turn away from their criminal bullshit.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: olddude
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 01:36 PM

Gfs yes they are my friends and always will be, elected or not. I really don't care if I never visit the white house. They both served this country more than any family since fdr. Hillary deserves to be just a grandma and no longer have to deal with the Republican hate machine

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 12:19 PM

Thanks Greg, haven't time to read the article right now, but I will when I return from hospital visit.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 11:44 AM

Ake, Re: changing the system, See This

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 11:08 AM

seems to have most of the American electorate at each other's throats.

The Dems aren't at anyones' throats, Ake. You're thinking of the Republican fundagelical racist lunatic bigots like Trump & his supporters.

how you would change a system

One might start by educating the Republican birther/truther/climate change denier/Islamophobic/etc. electorate.

And I continue the tradition of using "Goofus" in remembrance of someone no longer with us.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 10:54 AM

I think these insults are uncalled for Greg, you're better than that.
Sanity makes good points in his post and is addressing the issues pertaining to

I would be seriously interested in what you have to say regarding who governs you and how you would change a system which seems to have most of the American electorate at each other's throats.
Beside, inane remarks like "sick puppy" or "Goofus" are so bloody boring.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 10:15 AM

the 'media' will do it's best, in co-operating with the establishment parties, to keep you stupid

Looks like the 'media's work is done where you're concerned, Goofus.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 01:49 AM

Akenaton: "I suppose it will all boil down to electability....the scourge of democracy. Some day we will be forced to adopt socialist politics and conservative social policies, but that day is far off and we are still fooled by the illusion of equality provided by sexual and gender politics......toys of the all powerful media."


GUEST,#" '. . . toys of the all powerful media."


Ain't we all, Ake, ain't we all.'"

Yes...and who owns the media?? Who votes for their CEO's?

That being said, it seems obvious that the two critical candidates, who are 'upsetting the apple cart' are Trump and Sanders...who both APPEAR to be 'insurgent candidates'...in other words distancing themselves from what APPEARS to be the 'establishment'....(Gosh, it wasn't too long ago I referred to a lot of you, for being co-opted by, and becoming the very 'establishment' that you APPEAR to oppose!!).
We should, by now, know that Washington politicians represent the 'special interest' lobbies, and not even the people who voted for them, and that again, is BOTH parties.

Sanders, if you remember, was not really a 'Democrat', but rather an Independent, socialist, who decided to run as a Democrat...and seems to be gaining, quite a bit, being as Hillary's deceptions, corruption
and 'character' are causing her to crash and burn.

Trump, on the other hand, is an out front capitalist, corporate owner, and quasi celebrity.
Neither the Democrat 'establishment' nor the Republican' establishment' seem to want to 'embrace' either of these guys...Reason?
Possibly neither are 'owned' by the same 'owners' that they themselves are....even though, they APPEAR to have completely opposite financial ideologies....and in a way, it's VERY telling of how the two main parties are 'coming together', to combat their perceived threat. There is even talk of Dems crossing over to vote for Trump, IF Sanders were nominated....(Those are the 'establishment Democrats' to whom I am referring).

NOW, (and with all the mega-corporate money behind them) either or both parties, go to a brokered conventions, to run someone besides these two, either Sanders or Trump or both, could still run, but as Independents...then the election would boil down to a Capitalist vs a Socialist vs a Democrat corporate crony vs a Republican corporate crony....All while the corporate owned media 'provides' the narrative for you to blather on and on about it all.

I think the Obama administration is biding their time on Hillary, and don't expect much legal action on her till the results come in on the upcoming primary elections. I think they would rather see Biden run, over Clinton....so, I wouldn't be too surprised to see Hillary finally get indicted, or 'decide not to run for family or health reasons' to avoid prosecution..which would also implicate Bill and a host of other political, corporate and foreign luminaries!!....and I am sure that negotiations or plea bargainings are going on now...and possibly for quite some time....SO, possibly this election cycle may have four or five top candidates...one each from the 'establishment parties', Trump and Sanders, plus maybe someone else who may pop up.

I'm sure the 'media' will do it's best, in co-operating with the establishment parties, to keep you stupid....nor will we ever know the extent of what the FBI finds out, in regards to all the corruption uncovered from Hillary's involvements in influence trading.

GfS

Hey, olddude, you said that the Clintons were your friends, and that you expected to go to the White House if she was elected...you've also made it very clear that you are a Christian.....friends don't let friends drive drunk... lie their asses off, nor commit treason.
As Dylan sang, "You've got to serve somebody.....".

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 05:22 PM

I suspect that while Mitt Romney was posthumously baptizing John Wayne he channeled John's sprit and asked about an endorsement.

There was complete silence until a TV was turned on and Mitt heard the words Donald Trump.

Lincoln faced even more superstitious know nothings in his time but realized you can fool some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

While Americans are all fools about something, only 33 percent will end up being fools for Trump.

'How the Right went Wrong' is a good book about how we are reduced to a Trump character running for Prez.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 04:06 PM

"Sexual and gender politics."

Sick puppy.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: olddude
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 02:36 PM

Disagree Greg but that's ok to disagree

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 12:36 PM

Sanders is in no way, shape, or form "far left" - unless compared to Atilla the Hun.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 12:36 PM

Sincere thanks for that #, very imformative....ashamed to admit I haven't really known the purpose of the" Primaries"

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: olddude
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 11:26 AM

Ake is right in this regard, us middle center guys could be stuck with far right and far left as a choice. In which case I will write in Robin meade the news lady. She would make the white house look great... Babe

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 10:15 AM

It struck me that there are perhaps one or two people who may not be aware of what the primaries are. The following link is clear and fairly brief if people want to read about them for the first time or refresh their memory regarding this aspect of the American voting/election system as it pertains to potential presidents. Although I suspect most folks are aware, it doesna hurt to gi'e it a second look, Jimmy.

https://votesmart.org/education/presidential-primary#.VqJGRporLs0

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 09:37 AM

". . . toys of the all powerful media."

Ain't we all, Ake, ain't we all.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 09:15 AM

It's funny, the Democrats are being forced to choose between a centre right corporatist who could win the presidency and a centre left "socialist" who probably could not.

I suppose it will all boil down to electability....the scourge of democracy. Some day we will be forced to adopt socialist politics and conservative social policies, but that day is far off and we are still fooled by the illusion of equality provided by sexual and gender politics......toys of the all powerful media.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 04:26 AM

" ... people who are not comfortable with independent thinking, unpredictable outcomes, nebulous reasoning, and uncertainty of any kind, much prefer rule-based, punishment oriented, simplistic, authoritarian governments."

That's so true, Ebbie, so very, very true!

I believe that it applies here in the UK too. But in the UK we have an additional factor which is the deep-rooted remains of our class system. Here the Right (Tories = the Conservative Party) win general elections, time after time, because, basically, they promise to keep 'the lower orders' (i.e. the poor, people on benefits, immigrants etc.) 'in their place'. Our largely right wing press encourage this type of thinking by a constant stream of stories about 'benefits scroungers', 'immigrants taking our jobs' etc. The Tories are, of course, rule-based, punishment oriented, simplistic and authoritarian. Until recently, the wildest Tory excesses were kept in check by an effective, democratic opposition but presently our democracy is in tatters and the opposition becomes weaker and more ineffectual by the day. Of course, Tory ideology has a much wider agenda than just 'poor bashing'. They are neo-liberals to the core. They believe in 'free markets', small state, low taxation etc. As Naomi Klein puts it, neo-liberalism is "a licence to steal". Hence more and more power and influence in our society falls into the hands of Big Business and the rich and powerful.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 02:32 AM

Akenaton: "Now hold on a minute, Socialism is primarily concerned with how the economy is managed; every thing else flows from that.
Ideals like making your country great should apply to all shades of political opinion, as should personal responsibility. Social conservatism has a huge part to play in a socialist society.
The biggest impediment is convincing people that financial aspiration is not a positive ideology; that other things like better standards of education, health, public transport, housing, are of more importance to society than personal enrichment.
To put it simply one sector of our divided society cannot move forward without the other and partisan politics like the amazing Pubs/Dems war, are delaying any kind of political change."

Brilliant observation....now go further...the 'political' problems, on both sides,(which some here do not want to admit..or too blind to see) may not be the 'hold up' at all. What if it's theater, to keep people distracted, while the REAL agenda is being carried out, AWAY from the scrutiny OR say from the public?????

Follow the money, and it will lead you to those who use it as a stepping stone to the power, and control.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: olddude
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 05:34 PM

Me too froggy

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: frogprince
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 05:25 PM

Dan, when I was able to get back up off the floor I sent that to a number of friends and family.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: olddude
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 04:36 PM

Here is my all time favorite ... I could not stop laughing
backtothefuture

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 02:50 PM

Woody Guthrie reworked "I Ain't Got No Home" into a blistering broadside against his landlord, Fred Trump, the Donald's racist father:

Beach Haven ain't my home!
I just cain't pay this rent!
My money's down the drain!
And my soul is badly bent!
Beach Haven looks like heaven
Where no black ones come to roam!
No, no, no! Old Man Trump!
Old Beach Haven ain't my home!

Good article entitled "Woody Guthrie Despised His Landlord—Donald Trump's Racist Father"

Gawker

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 02:18 PM

Try it out folks, hours of mindless fun - Palinisms: The Sarah Palin random phrase generator

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: olddude
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 11:22 AM

I have as of this moment believe hillary cannot beat bernie. Now maybe she will just do the grand babies business like   
I always thought and forget about
The politics crap.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 10:57 AM

The Republicans are in such a turmoil right now that they can't even efficiently organize the circular firing squad they are planning.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 07:00 AM

Christopher Columbus has a lot to answer for
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 04:50 AM

Mr Red said, 'Hmmmm, the American political scenario makes the UK mess look almost respectable.'

Keep in mind that the political mess one sees now in the US is just within a single party, specifically the Republican.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Mr Red
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 04:17 AM

Hmmmm, the American political scenario makes the UK mess look almost respectable. But it is still messy. And we now have more parties to send us in the direction of Greece and Italy. Gawd help us.

Although looking at the list of "hopefuls" in the republican camp - perhaps they are doing the internecine tango.

And the Trump Card are DT & SP?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 03:14 AM

Now hold on a minute, Socialism is primarily concerned with how the economy is managed; every thing else flows from that.

Ideals like making your country great should apply to all shades of political opinion, as should personal responsibility. Social conservatism has a huge part to play in a socialist society.

The biggest impediment is convincing people that financial aspiration is not a positive ideology; that other things like better standards of education, health, public transport, housing, are of more importance to society than personal enrichment.

To put it simply one sector of our divided society cannot move forward without the other and partisan politics like the amazing Pubs/Dems war, are delaying any kind of political change.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 12:42 AM

Sanders has a definitive lead in New Hampshire, perhaps, as Jeri indicated, but his campaign will have a tough time in the South (e.g., South Carolina) and elsewhere, notwithstanding the reliance a lot of poorer states have on social programs that directly benefit them (Social Security; Food Stamps; Medicaid, etc). If Sanders could only distill his message down so that constituents would realize they would actually be voting for someone who seems to sincerely have their best interests at heart instead of voting for someone who only panders to "the middle class" for the votes and then conducts business as usual once elected.

So far, he has not been able to do that. Once people hear the "socialist" label, they automatically think commies and russkies, Ho Chi Minh and Stalin, and anything else Sanders says is lost on deaf ears. Sanders should spend more time in his stump speeches explaining just what socialism is and how much of the USA is already tilted in that direction (for example, see Wikipedia for a list of employee-owned companies).

Maybe Sanders should take a lesson from Trump and just answer every question with "It's gonna be great, trust me, it will be so fantastic." Never mind specifics or anything based in reality, just make people feel empowered with "greatness." That seems to work well. Or deliver a dissociated message in a shrill voice reminiscent of fingernails scraped across a blackboard.

Nah, Sanders has too much integrity for that tactic.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin & Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 06:19 PM

people who are not comfortable with independent thinking, unpredictable outcomes, nebulous reasoning, and uncertainty of any kind, much prefer rule-based, punishment oriented, simplistic, authoritarian governments

Think Germany, 1939.

The U.S., thru education budget cuts, Reaganomics, and general reactionary Republican legislative horseshit, has raised up a generation or two of morons.

Now, with Trump, et al, we're reaping the whirlwind.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 06:09 PM

A recent article about just why it is that some Americans support Trump causes me great alarm.

The thesis was that people who are not comfortable with independent thinking, unpredictable outcomes, nebulous reasoning, and uncertainty of any kind, much prefer rule-based, punishment oriented, simplistic, authoritarian governments.

What frightens me is that I recognize that syndrome in my own birth family- if they are typical of many Americans we are in deep doo doo.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 06:00 PM

Palin may be a symbol of hatefulness, but criticisms of her should not be sexist and not should the rape culture be endorsed. Stick it up your own arse, gnu, if you can reach.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 05:59 PM

Getting back to reality, does anyone think that Mr Sanders has a larger voter base in the whole of the US than Mrs Clinton?
That's just amongst the ordinary voters, not taking into account the actions of the political machine should Mr Sanders be eventually elected as President.

Is it more important that one or other Party is ELECTED, than a movement for change in government is instigated? People need to be educated about what socialism really means, those who fought the system in the thirties and marched to oppose colour prejudice in the sixties have been forgotten. The children of the sixties lived through a financial boom, soft and complacent, now they are satisfied with gender non issues, while the edifice of capitalism is crumbling around them.....and they don't have a clue what to put in its place.

Just look at this thread, name calling instead of discussion, vile remarks demeaning all women......don't you know that Party politics is a sham? A game in which we always lose.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: frogprince
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 05:35 PM

Kinds makes me think of the old, "Now, where's that woman I'm supposed to wrestle". I wouldn't be too sure which I wanted to start with.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 05:29 PM

Oh! Yeah! I forgot to mention, as I have mentioned many times in the past, I think she's a babe and I would like to spend a romantic evening... well, maybe not a whole evening... with her if she didn't talk.

Yes, that is very sexist and possibly worse but, as far as I am concerned, fuck her. She's an ignorant redneck that exemplifies all that is wrong with some of the critzens (yes, critizens) of the USA and Canada and......

But, she's a babe. I'd love to get me a wee time wit da loikes a dat eh?. Course, I'd wear me some protection so as I don't catch me no Repubican type diseases en wha?

Seriously... WTF is she in the media? WTF is Trump in the media? The whole world is watching this inane cluster fuck and some of us are staying tuned??? WTF?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 04:01 PM

For those that don't Feel The Bern... do a little more reading. Bernie has this in the bag if big money doesn't stop him with all the shit I see on popular TV like Jimmy Fallon and the like. That's the only way Hillary will win and I seriously don't think/hope she will.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 01:45 PM

I just saw the speech on the news and how anyone can take it seriously is a mystery to me. A screeching harridan spouting nonsense about a deluded hate monger becoming commander in chief of the most powerful war machine in the world and "kicking isis' ass". What sort of world has it become where these sort of people are considered potential leaders and, even worse, many people will believe them?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 12:37 PM

Jeremy Corbyn is not a pacifist, Dave. He says so himself. He says that war should be an absolute last resort. I'm no pacifist and I agree with that. A pacifist would not agree with war under any circumstances. He is a unilateralist, wanting to rid this country of nuclear weapons. I agree with that too.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: olddude
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 12:31 PM

No bad mouth of my hillary... Grrrr

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: olddude
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 12:30 PM

I could not stop laughing at Cnn when she was on, all I thought of was Tina Fey field day

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: GUEST,#
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 12:03 PM

Here is Sarah's endorsement.

I am gobsmacked. She would have fit in so well with the Bush administration. At least she and George spoke the same language.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 11:58 AM

What I think on US politics is unprintable Richard, I am certainly no supporter of Mrs Clinton......If she becomes President the standing of the US will plumb new depths.
I was simply musing on how I think the political soap opera may play out.

Mr Sanders is the nearest to my own position but still several miles away in political terms.....much too liberal.
My type of socialism could ill afford such fripperies, far too much real work to do.

The soft left in the US and the UK are full of wind and piss.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin
From: GUEST,#
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 11:52 AM

' "Later on, Coulter said, "I would like to be the head of Donald Trump's Homeland Security." And she was only "half-kidding," because "I don't think it's that hard to figure out."

"I'll get it all done before breakfast," Coulter continued. "[I] could kind of guess who the criminals are going to be at least 50 percent of the time." '

That is from

http://www.mediaite.com/online/ann-coulter-wants-to-be-trumps-homeland-security-secretary/

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Does anyone else feel like Washington is testing lysergic acid diethylamide on Republicans?