BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Sep 16 - 06:38 PM

Same old idiotic Boo Spew.

Move along, nothing to see here....

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 02 Sep 16 - 06:48 PM

Same old idiotic Boo Spew.

Squawk!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Sep 16 - 07:38 PM

Same old idiotic Boo Spew.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 02 Sep 16 - 10:36 PM

A British Jewish Labour MP said Friday that the leader of her party must do more to tackle anti-Semitism within its ranks, a day after she was assigned special police protection due to a sinister death threat.

UK counter-terrorism police have launched an investigation into the supporter of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn who threatened to hang lawmaker Ruth Smeeth.

According to The Sun newspaper, which said Thursday it has seen the Facebook message the unnamed man left for the parliamentarian, the threat concludes with the sentence: "Ruth Smeeth is British and from my perspective since treason is still a capital offence in Britain, the gallows would be a fine and fitting place for this Dyke piece of Yid s*** to swing from."

Smeeth said Friday that she received more than 20,000 abusive messages from Corbyn supporters in just 12 hours, after she criticized him for not doing enough to fight anti-Semitism.

"It's vile, it's disgusting and it's done in the name of the leader of the Labour party, which makes it even worse," the MP told the BBC.

TOI

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Sep 16 - 04:03 AM

"A British Jewish Labour MP said Friday that the leader of her party must do more to tackle anti-Semitism within its ranks, a day after she was assigned special police protection due to a sinister death threat."
Wake up Bobad - that's been covered
See Ruth Smeeth's records - linked above.
The Anti terrorist squad are dealing with it as the act of a nut-case - not an example of Labour Party Antiseitism.
Both Ms Smeeth and Michael Foster are Pro-Israeli activists defending the war crimes of a terrorist State - linking this anti-Corbyn campaign to Israel's attempts to offset the Israeli goods boycott
Foster has shown himself to be a foul-mouthed bullying thug not adverse to publicly shouting down female opponents using obscene language to do so.
I can see why you admire him, but at least he does what he does using his own name, and not hiding behind a pseudonym form th safety of distance - as some people do
Takes all sorts!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Sep 16 - 04:18 AM

Jim,
Ms Smeeth is also a pro-Israeli activist

Really? What activity makes her experience of antisemitism and abuse irrelevant?
Like many long serving members she is a Friend of Israel. So what? She has family there and knows like all thinking informed people that your hate filled propaganda is lies.

with links to the American Security Services.

Really? What links? Do tell us Jim where you get this shit from.

She has been described as an anti-Palestinian racist".

Really? By who?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Sep 16 - 05:12 AM

"What activity makes her experience of antisemitism and abuse irrelevant?"
Her connection wuith the Pro-Israel campaign and her Islamophobic racist rantings against the Palestinian people (which she never denied, but said she didn't recall making) are enough to put her accusations into perspective.
She is part of the BICOM campaign making her connection with Israel a political rather than a family one.
As I have said, her affiliation with Israel in no way justifies threats to her, but it does put into context her accusations of antisemitism.
Her racist attitude towards the Palestinian people, underlines that context
A REMINDER of the fact that people like Smeeth are not the only ones to be in danger from nut-cases.
Principled ones like Corbyn are equally in the firing line from people who espouse your cause.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Sep 16 - 07:51 AM

As I have said, her affiliation with Israel in no way justifies threats to her, but it does put into context her accusations of antisemitism.

No it does not.
The accusations of antisemitism are genuine and as a Jew she feels them personally.

Her connection with the Pro-Israel campaign

There is nothing wrong with being pro-Israel.

her Islamophobic racist rantings against the Palestinian people

I do not believe you Jim.
Give some examples.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Sep 16 - 08:28 AM

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being pro-Israel. I'm pro-Israel myself and I've said so here many times. There is plenty wrong with being pro-Israeli regime, an outfit that treats its Arab citizens as third-class, runs Gaza as a huge prison, steals the most desirable territory in order to make exclusively-Jewish settlements, regards the slaughter of children and refugees as unfortunate necessities and puts its own citizens in harm's way.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Sep 16 - 08:58 AM

"I do not believe you Jim."
To be quite honest Keith, I couldn't give two shits what you believe, but her statement (which she claims not to recall making), is included in the links you have been given.
Lets face it Keith - when and if you find it, you'll claim that she only said what she said because some "expert" or "historian" told her it was true.
"There is nothing wrong with being pro-Israel."
Didn't claim there was , but to be pro-Israeli regime atrocities and propaganda is a different matter- I'm totally with Steve on this.
She is an active part of the present campaign to deflect criticism from those atrocities and try to halt the 'Boycott Israel' campaign, which has now spread to attacking the Labour Party.
"The accusations of antisemitism are genuine"
Are they - did she tell you that - how do you know?
You and your mates have produced a list of people such as these, claiming them to be "large numbers of the Labour Party Executive, at one stage.
All have fallen by the wayside as part of this campaign, which you dismissed as my "conspiracy theory"
The more of them you produce and the more vehemently you support them, as you have supported every single act of right-wing state aggression, criminality and human rights abuses, the more likely they become.
That appears to be the sole aim of your sad existence.
Go and sell your shoddy goods to someone who will buy them - you've long blown your cover here.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 03 Sep 16 - 09:12 AM

an outfit that treats its Arab citizens as third-class, runs Gaza as a huge prison, steals the most desirable territory in order to make exclusively-Jewish settlements, regards the slaughter of children and refugees as unfortunate necessities and puts its own citizens in harm's way.

All, of course condemnable lies spouted by the usual Jew haters in order to demonize a country, the only country in the Middle East whose basic law is based on equality, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, has arabic as an official language and has Arabs up to supreme court judges, soliders in the IDF, members of parliament including the ruling coalition, laws protecting LGBT, women's rights and the rights of minorities etc.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Sep 16 - 09:30 AM

Same old nonsensical Boo Spew. Tedious.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Sep 16 - 09:39 AM

All my points are capable of being confirmed by neutral sources which have been trotted out ad nauseam here, bobad. Now off you go to find get more pro-Israeli regime sources to "prove" me wrong! 😂

And do take as much time as you like. You won't be missed.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Sep 16 - 10:50 AM

"based on equality"
"In Israel, Instead of Equal Rights, No Equality at All
Netanyahu's 'nation-state' bill undermines the notion that Israel's Arab population is entitled to collective rights, not just individual ones.
read more:
Haaretz

Freedom of religion"
"Israel's claim to be a place that guarantees freedom of religion is questionable in light of its treatment of Muslims. The fact that the state of Israel doesn't hesitate in limiting Muslim worshipers from entering their holiest place in the country cannot be viewed as a tolerant or democratic action. If Israel is to keep calling itself a democracy, it should behave as one. Israel is failing its democratic values and claims when it comes to its treatment of the minorities."
+972

"Freedom of Speech"
"I better remember what I wrote in my newspaper just over six years ago, that "the degree of abuse and outright threats now being directed at anyone ... who dares to criticize Israel ... is fast reaching McCarthyite proportions.
The attempt to force the media to obey Israel's rules is ... international"."
Robert Fisk

"freedom of assembly"
"A good example of this is the Defense Minister's recent decision to outlaw the northern branch of the Islamic Movement, which is one of the most important political and social movements within the Arab minority. The Defense Minister decided to use the emergency regulations, which have remained intact since the colonial British mandate, in order to severely violate the freedom of expression and freedom of assembly of a major part of the Arab community in Israel.
Haaretz 2016

"Equality"
Ten years after report on October 2000 riots, in which 13 were killed, the state has failed to implement antidiscrimination measures that would reestablish just relations between Jews and Arabs in Israel.
Haaretz

"Minority Rights"
"Arab citizens of Israel face entrenched discrimination in all fields of life. In recent years, the prevalent attitude of hostility and mistrust towards Arab citizens has become more pronounced, with large sections of the Israeli public viewing the Arab minority as both a fifth column and a demographic threat. There are glaring socioeconomic differences between Jewish and Arab population groups, particularly with regard to land, urban planning, housing, infrastructure, economic development, and education. Over half of the poor families in Israel are Arab families, and Arab municipalities constitute the poorest municipalities within Israel."
Association for Civil Rights in Israel

RACIAL PREJUDICE

APARTHEID in ISRAEL

Pull the other on Bobad
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Sep 16 - 12:12 PM

They won't read your last link, Jim. Their automatic denial buttons can't stand it. Or maybe they'll read it and blame everything on Hamas.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Sep 16 - 12:38 PM

blame everything on Hamas

Or space aliens. Anti-semitic ones, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Sep 16 - 12:41 PM

"They won't read your last link, Jim."
Bobad has said he refuses to read anything we put up
Open minds eh?
I suppose Haaretz comes under "Self-hating Jews"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Sep 16 - 01:26 PM

Jim, we agree there is nothing wrong with being "pro-Israel" as you accused Smeeth.

Can you produce anything to justify your suggestion that she was pro all those nasty things you listed?
No.
Can you justify your attempt to smear her as having made, "Islamophobic racist rantings against the Palestinian people?"
No.
Just lies and smears because she dared to object to her experience of anti-semitic abuse from her supposed Labour Party comrades.

And you two take sides against her, with lies and smears.
For shame.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Sep 16 - 01:58 PM

Same old Professor Spew. Tiresome.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Sep 16 - 03:54 PM

"Jim, we agree there is nothing wrong with being "pro-Israel" as you accused Smeeth."
Repetition again Keith - you've had my response - if you can't live with it, feel free not to.
"And you two take sides against her, with lies and smears."
Youve had the information on thet one too - if you can't live with ir, don't.
Same old, same old Keith Isreal never dun nuffin to nobody and everything her friends did is "all lises and smears
Sighhhhhhhh
If you have evidnece that what she is accused of is not true - PROVE IT
The same goes for all your "witbnsesses" - virtually all linked directly to Israeli propaganda and those who aren't are fighting to bring Corbyn down
You really have blown it here
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Sep 16 - 04:04 PM

"Can you produce anything to justify your suggestion that she was pro all those nasty things you listed?"
By the way - those "nasty things I listed" were a response to Bobad's claim of equality in Israel - nothing to do with your "witness" - if you can't bother reading what is posted, you really shouldn't be here.
They are all responses to the myth of "equality" in Israel - two of them come from the Israeli press.
I soppose they are all "lies and smears" - but my guess is that you will ignore them and go on saying Israel never did nuffin'
That seems to be what you are
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Sep 16 - 04:08 PM

You're busted, Keith. You've had the truth about what really happens in Israel in Jim's link, and it can all be corroborated. You blindly support a stinking regime that routinely puts its own people in jeopardy, Jews and non-Jews alike. As we saw in the referendum, politicians find it easy to hoodwink their own people. That's what's happened for decades in Israel, with the disgraceful collusion of the US, among others. I support the nation of Israel, and I wish every Israeli citizen peace, security and prosperity. One fine day you may want to ditch your Islamophobic prejudices and come and join me.

And bobad, chime in by all means, but do realise that you are a total irrelevance, incapable of making a single valid point.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Sep 16 - 05:23 PM

He's not even good at this
Any moron can just repeat "they didn't do it"
you'd have thought such a dedicated fanatic should show a little more imagination
They don't make atrocity deniers like they used to
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Sep 16 - 05:37 PM

I suppose it would be infra dig to tell booboo and Keith that "they lose..." 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 03 Sep 16 - 06:15 PM

Same old extremist opinions from extremist sources posted by a mentally ill anti-Semite......ho, hum.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Sep 16 - 03:10 AM

After that stupid remark you definitely lose!😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Sep 16 - 04:29 AM

!Same old extremist opinions from extremist sources posted by a mentally ill anti-Semite....."
Two of those "opinions" came from "Haaretz", the rest came from reputable people and organisations - all "mentally ill"!!!
Much easier to claim the world is mad rather than admit to your own inhumanity - let alone actually respond to the points made.
Official response to evictions
Haaretz
EQUALITY for the BEDOUINS
N.Y.Times
Racism is prevalent in Israel
Haaretz

Equality my arseum
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Sep 16 - 05:10 AM

Jim,
"And you two take sides against her, with lies and smears."
Youve had the information on thet one too -

None has been produced by your side.

If you have evidnece that what she is accused of is not true - PROVE IT

If she did not say such things, there can be no evidence.
You say she did, so produce it.

Steve,
You've had the truth about what really happens in Israel in Jim's link, and it can all be corroborated.

This is about Smeeth being subject to an antisemitic attack.
How does any of that propaganda from Jim about Israel relate to that?

Jim,,
Any moron can just repeat "they didn't do it"

If you want the full rebuttal, reopen or start another Israel thread.
This is about UK Labour Party

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Sep 16 - 05:41 AM

It was facts, not propaganda, and it did not come from Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Sep 16 - 06:07 AM

"None has been produced by your side."
None that you wwish to respond to, you mean
You have it - if it is not true, prove it isn't
I think everybody here must be pretty bored with your constant denials.
"You say she did, so produce it."
It has been produced - I gave up blowing noses and wiping bums decades ago.
How about actually producing some real evidence for your persistent attacks on the Labourt Party - so far, you have produced only accusations from contenders for Corbyn's position and smears Pro-Israeli activists intent on stopping the 'Boycott Israel' campaign.
You demand something that has already been presented, yet you refuse to produce anything to back up your long-running accusations against the Labour party other than crude, Pro-Israeli propaganda.
No deal Keith
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Sep 16 - 06:16 AM

"If you want the full rebuttal, reopen or start another Israel thread.
This is about UK Labour Party"
If you don't want a debate on Israel's obvious links to Israel's part in attacks on the Labour Party - start another thread and clearly mark it ALL ADVERSE COMMENTS ON ISRAELI TERRORISM ARE STRICTLY FORBIDDEN
What have you been told - over and over again - about attempting to manipulate these discussions?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Sep 16 - 06:28 AM

He resorts to it when things aren't going his way, Jim. He tries it on me all the time. When he's not telling us to stick to discussing the Labour Party, he's rattling on about Israel himself all the time. He's busted. A desperado.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 04 Sep 16 - 07:37 AM

Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic on why he will stop reading Haaretz:

Look, when neo-Nazis are e-mailing me links to Haaretz op-eds declaring Israel to be evil, I'm going to take a break, sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 04 Sep 16 - 08:00 AM

Another zinger......recognize yourselves?

It's not just neo-Nazis. A wide variety of Israel-haters tokenize u [Haaretz] as the Jews in their corner.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Sep 16 - 08:15 AM

"Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic on why he will stop reading Haaretz:"
So those running Haaretz are all "Self-hating Jews"?
That "Neo-conservative", Jeffry Goldberg doesn't like it is confirmation that' it's worth reading, as far as I'm concerned.
JEFFREY GOLDBERG
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Sep 16 - 08:24 AM

Heheh. Bobad makes scraping the bottoms of barrels look like preparing a gourmet dinner. 😂

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 04 Sep 16 - 08:53 AM

While Haaretz does have some quality journalism it also has an editorial policy to give voice to a wide spectrum of opinion even when that opinion reaches the extremist nut job end of the spectrum. This is the tree which Israel haters cherry pick from and one of the reasons that it has an insignificant readership among average Israelis. The target audience for the English version is not the same as that for the Hebrew one and that is reflected in how, very often, facts are presented in ways that distort the truth of the story they are telling. See: Haaretz, Lost in Translation

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Sep 16 - 09:04 AM

By the way -Algemeiner is an extremist journal which has instigated witch-hunts against critics of Israeli policy
Quite a lot of people know that, as Michael Caine once nearly said
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Sep 16 - 09:42 AM

So, Booboo, you're telling us to cherrypick Haaretz in order to spot the cherrypickers. You'd be bloody hilarious if you weren't so pathetic.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Sep 16 - 11:39 AM

Smeeth has been subject to vile antisemitic abuse and intimidation.
You two joined in the attacks on her with accusations that you refuse to substantiate.

"Ms Smeeth is also a pro-Israeli activist with links to the American Security Services."
"She has been described as an anti-Palestinian racist."
"Both Ms Smeeth and Michael Foster are Pro-Israeli activists defending the war crimes of a terrorist State ."

If any of that shit is true, produce something to back it up, and not just from Electronic Intifada!!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Sep 16 - 12:55 PM

Ruth Smeeth is indeed an avid supporter of the Israeli regime and campaigns within an official body to get the boycott of Israeli goods lifted. I think she's severely deluded but she's entitled to her opinion. The old boy who left her floods of tears at the launch of the Chakrabarti report DID NOT KNOW THAT SHE WAS A JEW. His criticism as expressed and widely reported was absolutely nothing like a "traditional antisemitic slur." She accused him of being in Momentum (big deal anyway), which he denied. It could have been made about anyone in cahoots with the right-wing press, Jew or non-Jew. Plenty of non-Jews get involved in conspiracy theories, and HE DID NOT KNOW THAT SHE WAS A JEW. As a matter of fact he's been a prominent campIgner against racism and discrimination for decades and has condemned antisemitism. The abuse she has received online is vile. So, Keith, what should Jeremy do about it? Demand the identities of all 25000 abusers from their ISPs? Do you think they'd tell him? How do you know how many of them are really Labour members, or are you indulging in guesswork? Your Brexit friends' racist and xenophobic comments during the referendum campaign almost certainly provoked a significant increase in race attacks. Bit of a parallel there, I'd say. What are you going to do about Farage, Gove and Johnson then, Keith?   Indulge in silence and denial?

And one more thing, Keith. Twice now you have criticised "you two" for joining in attacks on her and smearing her. Well this post contains my very first mention of her, or indeed any allusion to her at all. You are a thoroughly dishonest man whose words should never be trusted.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Sep 16 - 01:15 PM

I dashed that off. I have a risotto to make from scratch.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Sep 16 - 01:18 PM

I dashed that off. I have to make a risotto from scratch.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Sep 16 - 01:28 PM

"If any of that shit is true, produce something "
Have you looked on the site that has all those "experts" who said that "implant" thing about Pakistani males?
Or maybe the one where all those "many" NC members said they had serious concerns about Antisemitism in the Labour Party.
Or perhaps the one that gives numbers of Antisemites, or describes how that Antisemitism manifests itself.
Or maybe it's on the one which describes how the Irish hate Britain.
It could be on any of these - or the many, many more from which you gained your information and then refused to substantiate it.
I get a bit fed up with your challenges, and then, when it's produced, you walk away from it.
Not too long ago you accused me of "inventing" the Israeli "Self-hating Jew" accusation aimed at all Jews who opposed their policies.
I gave it to you and asked for an apology - you ignored all requests and refused even to acknowledge it.
Why on earth should I bother re-posting something you have already been given, only for you to ignore it?
Life really is too short to bother with people like you.
Tell you what - Keith - you start responding to the things we put up and acknowledge them, and stop calling us "liars" and of "making up" facts, and maybe, just maybe, you will be taken seriously.
Up till then, as far as I'm concerned, I will continue putting up information to back my beliefs
You want to challenge it - fine - you want to ignore it - fine.
But don't you dare demand something that has been put up, so you can just walk away from it.
A clue, if you like
Smeeth attended the Hertzliva Conference and was heard speaking in support of Benjamin Netanyahu's, "Palestinian citizens of Israel were a "demographic threat" claim.
She later said she didn't recall doing so.
That is from memory from all the links I have put up on the matter; it is the last concession you'll get from me.
You start responding to questions and I will - I'm sure the rest of us "Muppets" and "Ignoramuses" will do the same.
A debate forum is a two-way street.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Sep 16 - 01:38 PM

"I dashed that off. I have to make a risotto from scratch."
Try making it from rice and whatever - scatch tends not to be very tasty - though I suppose it depends which bit you're scratching!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Sep 16 - 03:44 PM

It was delicious. I'd post the recipe but Keith would say it was made-up shit.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Sep 16 - 03:55 PM

"made-up shit."
Don't mind trying out new dishes, but that's taking it a bit far
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Sep 16 - 04:23 AM

Jim,
Smeeth attended the Hertzliva Conference and was heard speaking in support of Benjamin Netanyahu's, "Palestinian citizens of Israel were a "demographic threat" claim.

Heard by who saying exactly what Jim?

Here is what Netanyahu actually said. There is no racism in it.
http://www.haaretz.com/netanyahu-israel-s-arabs-are-the-real-demographic-threat-1.109045

Steve, if you want to distance yourself from Jim's accusations, please do. So far you have shown nothing but support for his shit.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Sep 16 - 04:57 AM

"Heard by who saying exactly what Jim?"
Finished Keith
She attended the conference and she made her position clear - you have what she said
You want to pursue it find someone else - you are really not worth spending time on any more for the reasons I have stated.
Netanyahu dismissed the entire Palestinian people with one sentence - that, for me, is racism - obviously not for you.
My point in underlining Smeeth's position is to call into question her accusations of Antisemitism - there are many others you have supported who have done and said far worse.
We all realise that Netanyahu is one of your lily-whites, militaristic thug that he is.
I certainly have no intention of entering into an argument with you on the merits of a racist, war criminal - my stomach isn't up to another bout of your atrocity denying this morning.
You refuse to respond to your own accusations when thet are proved totally false, yet, should one of your heroes be maligned, you move heaven and earth to defend them.
Do you a deal - respond to your accusations that I made up "Self-Hating Jews" and I may, just may, tell you where to find Smeeth's statement.
Otherwise, go away - I'm no longer interested in wasting time proving wrong somebody who just walks away from their mistakes and dishonesty.
You demand attention from people you treat with contempt - not acceptable on a publicdebating forum.
Expect to be treated the way you treat others
Your behaviour has long exceeded the bounds of common decency.
Ever your "Muppet" friend
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Sep 16 - 05:35 AM

Netanyahu's "not racism"

"Demgraphy" – a study of birth, deaths and disease

Netanyahu: Israel's Arabs Are the Real Demographic Threat
Israel's growing demographic problem is not because of Palestinians, but of Israeli Arabs, Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said yesterday.
Gideon Alon and Aluf Benn Dec 18, 2003 12:00 AM
Israel's growing demographic problem is not because of Palestinians, but of Israeli Arabs, Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said yesterday.
Speaking at the Herzliya Conference on security, Netanyahu said Israel had already freed itself from control of almost all Palestinian Arabs. He said he could not foresee a future in which "any sane Israeli" could try to make Palestinians either Israeli citizens or "enslaved subjects." The Palestinians would under all circumstances rule themselves and administer their own affairs, he said.
"If there is a demographic problem, and there is, it is with the Israeli Arabs who will remain Israeli citizens," he said. The Declaration of Independence said Israel should be a Jewish and democratic state, but to ensure the Jewish character was not engulfed by demography, it was necessary to ensure a Jewish majority, he said.
If Israel's Arabs become well integrated and reach 35-40 percent of the population, there will no longer be a Jewish state but a bi-national one, he said. If Arabs remain at 20 percent but relations are tense and violent, this will also harm the state's democratic fabric. "Therefore a policy is needed that will balance the two."
The economy is the single most important factor that will lead to Jews immigrating to Israel, he said. "I go mad when I see that because of low taxation in Moscow, there is now a capital flow there. If we want Jews to come here, we need a flourishing and dynamic economy. If we want Israeli Arabs to integrate, we need a flourishing and dynamic economy."
He said it was necessary to improve education standards, especially for Arab citizens. Netanyahu said that the "separation fence" would also help to prevent a "demographic spillover" of Palestinians from the territories.
Reactions to the speech were not slow in coming from Arab Knesset members and others. "Netnayahu's demographic time bomb is a stink bomb and a racist one," said Ahmed Tibi (Hadash). "The day is not far off when Netnayahu and his followers will set up roadblocks at the entrance to Arab villages to tie Arab women's tubes and spray them with anti-spermicide."
Azmi Bishara, of Balad (National Democratic Alliance) said: "Describing the original residents of this land as a demographic problem would be considered racism in any normal, or even abnormal, country."
Makhoul Issam Makhoul (Hadash) said: "A leader who considers 20 percent of the population of Israel to be a demographic threat and treats them as an existential problem, is himself a racist threat to democracy, sanity, and the rule of law - and he should be disposed of immediately for the good of both peoples."
Talab a-Sana (United Arab List) said: "How would Netanyahu react if someone in the West or the U.S. said that the reproduction rate of Haredi Jews was a demographic problem? Netnayahu has double standards."
Labor whip Dalia Itzik described Netanyahu as "a serial pyromaniac." She said: "He has already lit the flames between rich and poor, and now he is trying to do the same between Jews and Arabs."
Yossi Sarid, MK (Meretz), said: "It is amazing to see how great leaders can instantly be revealed as small racists. The Palestinian problem has not yet been solved in the territories and they are already trying to create another problem with Israeli Arabs... A thousand firemen will not be enough to put out the flames one frivolous man set alight."
Haaretz
Jim Carroll