BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 06:12 PM

We would all take some additional comfort, Boo, if you were to crawl back under your own particular rock.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 07:40 PM

As a Labour Party member I take great comfort from the fact that the Tory Party, the Catholic Church, the Church of England and UKIP are are far more infested with antisemitism than my party. Right-wing hypocrites will, of course, always look for the tiniest snippet of the kind of "evidence" jumped on by the Daily Mail and the Murdoch Daily Liar papers that they love to go to town on. Tabloid press and your tabloid mentality, Keith. In bobad's case, I doubt whether be can even read a paper at all, and I mean both of him.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 03:37 AM

When wuill you get it into your Antisemitic head Bobad that blamiing Israel for anything is not Antisemitic, by definition - Israel is not the Jewish people, it does nor represent the Jewish people, its actions are not those of the Jewish people, on the contrary, the way various regimes have behaved down the decades have acted against the interests of the Jewish people.
Israel, not the Jews facilitated the massacre of 3,5000 unarmed refugees at Sabra/Shatila.
Israel, not the Jews, confiscated huge areas of Palestinian land and have placed the region on a permanent war footing.
Israel, not the Jews, used chemical and anti-personnel weapons on civilians, destroyed homes, hospitals and schools, brought about many thousands of deaths and have ruined the lives of the Palestinian people with their various incursions.
It was Israel, not the Jews, who tried to turn Apartheid South Africa into a nuclear power.
Some of the greatest critics of Israel policy are Jews - teh Israelis have described them as "self-hating Jews" - in doing so, Israel is waging war on large numbers of Jewish people.
It is the height of Antisemitism to lay these crimes at the door of the Jewish people.
People like you have painted a target on every Jew on the planet - their blood is on your hands.
There is far too much Antisemitism on this planet already without your adding to it.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 04:47 AM

Your case has been that there is no issue.
I have just quoted prominent and lifelong Labour Party people who know that there is.
If you have anything similar on CofE or other parties, do share it.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 05:30 AM

The article refers to an apology to the House of Commons from just ONE member of the Labour Party from a shared FACEBOOK post she made BEFORE she became a sitting member of the house. Uncomfortably, certainly, regrettable, certainly, earth-shattering ........... er ..... bit of a storm in a tea cup really. Not surprising given the source.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 06:07 AM

"I have just quoted prominent and lifelong Labour Party people "
Been here before Keith - selective quotes from interested parties prove nuffin'.
Better get some new champions for you crusade - supporters of a right-wing coup wouldn't stand up in court- just as your supporters of the Israeli regime didn't.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 06:13 AM

Stop lying, Keith. Nowhere has my case been that there is "no issue" and that is all over this thread. You are thoroughly obsessed with painting the Labour Party as black as possible, scouring the press for any snippet you can find that a few members have said less than wise things. Get a life.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 06:26 AM

I do not hate labour and was a Labour voter.
There is clearly a problem with anti-semitism and misogyny, but mostly at the hard left end.

No need to scour the press, and Naz Shah was not appolgising to the Commons, but in a R4 interview.
Report here.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-36802075

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 06:36 AM

Owen Smith, Left Wing Labour MP and leadership contender,
"I think Jeremy should take a little more responsibility for what's going on in the Labour party. After all, we didn't have this sort of abuse and intolerance, misogyny, antisemitism in the Labour party before Jeremy Corbyn became the leader.

"It's now become something that is being talked about on television, on radio, and in newspapers. And Angela is right, it has been effectively licenced within the last nine months."

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Stu
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 06:43 AM

"to take your word for it if that's really what you're saying"

It's what I said Jim! I am full of shit.


The issue with the Labour party is they are unelectable. Corbyn lives as much in a political bubble as Cameron did but rather than being an Eton toff is a sour old leftie. Like Cameron and his Notting Hill muckers he has no experience of life at the sharp end, has always been involved in unions or politics rather than earning a crust and is as equally unfit to lead as Cameron was. Thinking about it, even Cameron did a stint as a PR man so perhaps he had more life experience.

The left needs to change, and although it needs thinkers like Corbyn it still has to adjust to the global nature of business and politics of the 21st Century. Most of the workforce is not unionised, how does the left re-connect with the millions of self-employed for example? It does not recognised the importance of social media or understand how people connect with each other using our fast-changing technology. Finally, it needs to rediscover it's radical heritage and adapt that spirit to the modern age.

I can't see that happening in the Labour party now, and they have let us down horribly during the EU ref campaign, and are failing utterly to hold the government to account during a time we need an effective opposition in parliament. They have become the epitome of a myopic, narcissistic and out of touch political clusterfuck with nothing to offer the ordinary working person.

Oh, and why are they so against a woman leader? Hmmm.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 06:59 AM

Just for the record Stu I think Corbyn worked as a journalist for small paper for a time and he did spend two years doing Voluntary work in overseas.

Voluntary work can certainly open one's eyes, I can think of various people of here who would benefit from it.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 07:00 AM

"It's what I said Jim! I am full of shit."
If you say so - don't strike me that way.
"There is clearly a problem with anti-semitism and misogyny, "
No more than anywhere else and all you efforts to show there is any have fallen apart - there is no evidence
"The left needs to change, and although it needs thinkers like Corbyn "
How about the right changing and giving the British people an alternative.
To elect the present Labour party is to get more of the same.
The Irish Labour Party tied itself to the established parties in order to get a toe - hold in parliament - when those Parties failed to deliver the goods The Labour party virtually disappeared as a credible representative of the Irish people.
Can anybody honestly claim that Britain needs more war criminals like Blair and bumblers like Brown.
Edwina the Eagle, for god's sake - who next?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 07:03 AM

Guardian, 18 hours ago,

Jeremy Corbyn has been plunged into another row over bullying within the Labour party after more than 40 of his female MPs signed a letter calling for him to do more to combat "an extremely worrying trend of escalating abuse and hostility".

Earlier on Friday Corbyn was obliged to deny that he had sought to intimidate another of his MPs by threatening to telephone the man's father to seek his intervention in a row.

The open letter addressed to Corbyn, tweeted by the Dewsbury MP Paula Sherriff and signed by her and 43 colleagues, condemns the Labour leader for what they call an inadequate response to threats and demonstrations by groups who support him in his battle with a rebellious parliamentary party.

It expresses alarm that the shadow chancellor, John McDonnell, and other shadow ministers have addressed rallies where demonstrations outside MPs' offices or bullying at constituency Labour party meetings have been "actively encouraged or quietly condoned".

The strongly worded letter says MPs have experienced rape threats, death threats and other incidents, amid a climate of worry following the murder of the Labour MP Jo Cox in June. It adds that female and non-white MPs have been "disproportionately affected" by the abuse.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 07:24 AM

Another cut and paste, why not link to the article so that everyone can read it in full rather than your particular selection of it.

While you're about it you could also refer to the article directly above it that refers to M15 using "dark practices" to discredit Corbyn.


Link

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 07:47 AM

Keep going, Keith. Your obsession is very amusing. Have a little break and tell us instead about how that incompetent bungler Cameron went begging to Angela Merkel the week before the referendum to try to get exemptions on free movement when he realised that the out campaign had him by short and curlies over immigration and about how Boris Johnson dearly wanted his out campaign to fail so as to leave call-me-Dave damaged but not destroyed. Two blithering miscalculating idiots have wrecked the future of this country and all you can do is try to bloat some non-stories about Labour. You are a bloody sad case, you are.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 08:16 AM

Your obsession is very amusing

Repeat that to yourself whilst looking in a mirror.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 08:33 AM

All this appears to be an ectension of the Labour right to smear Corbyn, which started with attempts to make the Labour Party Ansisemitic
ANTISEMITISM SMEARS AGAINST LABOUR
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 08:37 AM

"Repeat that to yourself whilst looking in a mirror."

I don't talk to my mirror image. There's so much to admire and I find its best done in silence.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Stu
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 09:20 AM

"How about the right changing and giving the British people an alternative."

Why would they? They're winning.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 09:57 AM

"Why would they? They're winning."
Sorry - badly worded.
I don't believe the Labour Party vcan survive another period in the hands of the right wing - the damage done by 'New Labour' is probably irreparable as it is, more of the same would just about finish the party.
Fine for career politicians - it doesn't matter one way or the other which party they belong to, but it does to the rest of us.
The indications are that, with May, we have another Thatcher - different technique maybe, but the end result is the same.
Boris Johnson as foreign minister, for crying out loud - and the possibility of Trump in the White House
'Beam me up Scotty!!!'
Right wing Labour isn't going to do anything to rock that particular love-boat.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 10:36 AM

Great piece, Jim. Keith and the cheat ought to be forced to write it out a hundred times.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Stu
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 11:12 AM

Jim - I agree with all of that, but can't see how Labour can continue anyway. The big drift to UKIP and the right has proved that it's not left or right that matters to people, it's that they vote for the people that they believe understand them and will represent their interests in the face of the establishment and big business. The fact that no-one actually does (the Brexiteers were liars after all, and have pissed off anyway) mean they will vote for the person that plays that part, such as Farage and Johnson and however unpleasant the views and concise of that person.

Labour must change, but it truly does't have a clue and I wouldn't vote for them. There is no-one worth voting for at the moment.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 11:29 AM

Rag,
you could also refer to the article directly above it that refers to M15 using "dark practices" to discredit Corbyn.

That is just one person's (McCluskey's) fantasy/conspiracy theory.
The piece I quoted (just google a bit of text, it was only yesterday) was an open letter from forty female Labour MPs to Corbyn.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 11:38 AM

Headline in Labour List yesterday,

"Senior Labour figures air fresh concerns over abuse in the party."

http://labourlist.org/2016/07/senior-labour-figures-in-row-over-level-of-abuse-in-the-party/

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 11:39 AM

Ha, ha, ha, brilliant professor.


Your contributions here are just one persons fantasy.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 11:44 AM

Your contributions here are just one persons fantasy.

No.
They are the expressed views of most senior Labour figures.

From that Labour List piece,
""The truth is many of the people who are heaping abuse on people are Jeremy's supporters. It is just a fact that it is Jeremy's side of the argument that is engaging in this great volume of abuse."

One left wing group today said that they would be pulling support for an NEC candidate in future after she oversaw the suspension of one CLP (constituency Labour Party) after reports of intimidation at a meeting."

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 11:46 AM

"There is no-one worth voting for at the moment"
It's been like they with me for a long time Stu - I haven't voted in a British election since the advent of Blair's New Labour.
I really believe Corbyn might make a difference and would be tempted to vote for him if we still lived in the U.K.
Brexit is going to further deterioration of living standards for ordinary families; this surely has to mean people will be looking for someone who is going improve their lives with more than the rhetoric Johnson, Farrage, et al are offering.
Though I have always voted Labour, my politics lead me to believe that parliamentary democracy (sic) is a non-starter anyway - you just select the best of a bad bunch to cast your vote for, not ideal, nor particularly principled, but better than waiting around to say "I told you so".
I used to argue with my old man about this interminably - he always said, vote as left as you can.
We do have a slightly better alternative in Ireland with P.R. - it's been interesting to see the establishment parties backing away from repressive policies because of the way our votes count a little more than they do in the U.K.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 12:05 PM

Raggytash, his contributions here, if you can call them that, are nothing more than a one-track minded campaign to blacken the Labour Party at what he sees as every available opportunity. In the meantime, Tory incompetence, bungling, miscalculating and lies to the people of this country have precipitated what will probably be the biggest disaster for this country in any of our lifetimes. Eton Toryboy games have sunk the ship. Note that he has bugger all to say about that.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 12:52 PM

What !!! Criticise the establishment !! Keith !!

Good god he`d have to spend weeks on his knees, bowing and scraping and begging forgiveness from his "betters" and probably saying a prayer or fifteen into the bargain.

I will say this for him though, he`s not quite as beholden to his "masters" as Teribus is although it is close.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 04:07 AM

You two are losing your grip on reality if you deny that Labour is in a chaotic crisis.
Are you sure it is just me, the BBC, the Guardian and every other agency including Labour List making it up?

Confessions of antisemitism, accusations of misogyny and intimidation are coming from within Labour, not from me.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: DMcG
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 04:26 AM

Are you sure it is just me, the BBC, the Guardian and every other agency including Labour List making it up?

Not making things up, I would say, but putting as negative a spin on everything as possible. For example, I am told there is an article in the Daily Mail on Sunday calling Corbyn a hypocrite for having T-shirts with a slogan on sale for his campaign 'where the workers are only paid 30p an hour' which he has previously criticized.

I admit that's all probably true. But I follow it by asking do you know anywhere in the world people who make T-shirts are paid the UK Living wage? I doubt they exist, because 'the capitalist system' would put them out of business pretty quickly through competition. So either you never wear or sell T-shirts at all (or indeed most other clothing), or you have little choice. And if that is the case, is criticising it hypocritical? I don't think so.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 04:28 AM

How can confessions come from you when you're not even in it! You are being used as an obsessive channel for relatively minor indiscretions by a handful or two of over half a million members whilst ignoring the catastrophic shenanigans of your favoured Tory and UKIP racists and liars. How clever of you to define yourself in that way.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 04:30 AM

You've missed a bit Keith, what about Corbyn personally ordering thousands of T shirts for 30p each and then selling them for £10 putting £9.70 into his own pocket and this after he had reduced the workers food down from just gruel to bread and water. Rumour has it he actually walks round the sweatshop with a huge whip lashing out at those he thought were not working hard enough. His next plan is to build chimneys so he can send children up them, and a treadmill for the old folks. You'd better watch out he hates Christians and Buddhists and Baptists and Jews, Jesuits, Jains, Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Zoroastrians, pagans and Jedi although I believe he has a soft spot for Shinto.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 05:02 AM

Oh I forgot to mention that he's also rumoured to be a secret agent for MI5, the CIA and the KBG !!!!! and he pulls pints in a pub in Eccles on a weekend and doesn't pay tax on his earnings.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 05:10 AM

Seems now that MI5 are actually nobbling him as well.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 06:06 AM

Of course they are Steve.

Turn on BBC News Channel and see what the main story of the day is.
Did you see McDonald on Marr?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 06:08 AM

"You two are losing your grip on reality if you deny that Labour is in a chaotic crisis."
British politics is in chaos following Brexit - what's happening in the Labour party is a combination of a dirty tricks campaign by Israel to defend its human rights abuses, and a right wing coup by Labour party members.
The Tories have lost a P.M. and the new one has administers a 'night of the long knives', splitting that party down the middle.
The economy has taken a severe whipping, as was forecast by economists and the country can now look forward to a long period of instability.
You first jum,med on the Israeli bandwagon, claiming a major problem of Antisemitism within Labour, made up a few facts about "great concern by large numbers of members, failed miserably and found another dead-horse to flog with the rightist claim of misogyny.
Just waiting to hear of the hoards of Labour members who are greatly concerned about the unstoppable tide of woman-hating within its ranks.
With you, when one bus has gone, there'll always be another one along in a minute.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 06:10 AM


How can confessions come from you when you're not even in it!

They don't come from me.
I just quoted Labour people, including 44 Labour women MPs.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 06:14 AM

what's happening in the Labour party is a combination of a dirty tricks campaign by Israel to defend its human rights abuses, and a right wing coup by Labour party members.

Sure Jim.
No-one could accuse you of losing your grip on reality!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 06:19 AM

He also keeps his unknown twin sister as an unpaid skivvy, she has to sleep in a box in the shed AND he's cruel to KITTENS !!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 06:19 AM

BBC,
The Wallasey Constituency Labour Party group (CLP) has been suspended following complaints of bullying and intimidation.
The Labour Party has launched an investigation into the allegations in former Labour leadership contender Angela Eagle's constituency.
The Wallasey MP said "bullying, intimidation, misogyny and homophobia have no place in the Labour Party".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-36848945

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 06:26 AM

Guardian/Observer today,
" The root cause of the party's rolling crises is as easy to identify as a solution to its agony is hard to find. Labour has a leader who has totally lost the confidence of his colleagues in parliament. They fear that he is taking them on a trajectory that will end with the party's worst election collapse since the 1930s. The MPs do not have the backing of a large chunk of the party selectorate that picks the leader. Much of that selectorate is wildly unrepresentative of the voters that Labour must persuade if the party is to survive as a plausible opposition, never mind become a viable competitor for power."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/24/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-mutiny-desperation

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 06:29 AM

Bet he puts milk in his tea BEFORE the boiling water.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 07:25 AM

"No-one could accuse you of losing your grip on reality!"
And nobody can accuse you of responding to evidence with evidence of your own
Israel is spending millions on propaganda at the present in order to defend its ongoing human rights abuses and war crimes.
Its justice minister has described all criticism of Israel as "antisemitic"
Israel's modern history is scattered with the bodies of innocent civilians murdered by Israeli forces.
When are you going to respond to any of these, or are you just going to " only put Israel's case" (unquote).
You have been given the context of the Labour Party's problems, yet you still dredge up the same-old, same-old.
You claimed lots of people who were concerned about supposed Antisemitism in the Labour Party you came up with two pro- Israeli activists -the internal enquiry found none.
Respond to facts Keith, stop using cut-'n-pastes
There is a left/right struggle going on at present =- you have chosen your side - guess which one!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 07:43 AM

So, it's the fault of Jews that there's anti-semitism in the party. I get it now, thanks for clearing that up.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 07:45 AM

The reality, Keith, is that the vast, overwhelming majority of the half-million-plus members of Labour are NOT antisemitic, NOT misogynistic, NOT bullies and NOT rapists. That's real-world reality, not Keith-reality. If you don't agree, give me a list of all those Labour members who have been found guilty of any of the above. Smearing, the favourite tactic of disreputable people such as yourself, is easy. Hard facts are a little more inconvenient of access, eh, Keith? Some come on. Name the names of the proven guilty. Their lawyers may be watching you. Piss or get off the pot just for once.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 07:56 AM

"So, it's the fault of Jews that there's anti-semitism in the party. I get it now, thanks for clearing that up."

Let me rephrase this for you, you twisting and turning little cheat. It's the fault of pro-Israel activists that there is a completely fake brouhaha over alleged antisemitism, which is actually nothing of the kind, in the party. You don't understand what people say in these threads and you are completely clueless as to what antisemitism is. Perhaps, unlike me, you haven't spent half your life fighting antisemitism and racism in schools and in trade unions. One of my best mates was killed fighting racism and he would have wiped the floor with scurrilous, wrong-headed, dishonest little brats like you. Jim's right. You are one of the most antisemitic people on this forum by a country mile.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 08:03 AM

"So, it's the fault of Jews that there's anti-semitism in the party."
There is antisemitism everywhere - the Israelis count any criticism of their policy as Antisemitism. as you do.
I defy you to provide one attack on the Jewish people on this forum, but every critiscism of Israel is, to you, Antisemitic.
I will donate £1000 to any organisation you name if you can produce an attack I have made on the Jewish people - you will find none, but you constantly accuse me, and all critics of Israel of being antisemitic
This is what identifies you as a cowardly troll.
The only Antisemite on Mudcat is you, who had Identified all crimes committed by Israel as "antisemitic".
So far, accusations of "antisemitism" in the Labour Party have overwhelmingly been related to criticism of Israel.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 08:03 AM

"Alice Perry's NEC report: Corbyn, fighting prejudice and listening to voters online
23RD MAY, 2016 3:22 PM"

"The NEC are appalled by recent cases of anti-Semitic abuse. Anti-Semitism has no place in the Labour Party and is contrary to everything we stand for."

" The entire NEC recognises the seriousness of this issue and is committed to addressing all the issues raised by these inquiries. "
http://labourlist.org/2016/05/alice-perrys-nec-report-corbyn-fighting-prejudice-and-listening-to-voters-online/

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 08:12 AM

BBC 18 July,
"The MP (Naz Shah)said that when she looked back she thought "how stupid I was and how ignorant I was".
"The truth is that some of the stuff I have since looked at and understood, I didn't know at the time," she said.
Ms Shah said she now understood the connotations involved in the words she used.
"The language I used was anti-Semitic, it was offensive," she said. "What I did was I hurt people and the language that was the clear anti-Semitic language, which I didn't know at the time, was when I said, 'The Jews are rallying.'"

"Ms Shah said she had been on a learning journey in recent months and had received "amazing compassion" from the Jewish community.
"I didn't get anti-Semitism as racism," said Ms Shah. "I had never come across it. I think what I had was an ignorance." "
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-36802075