BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 04:26 AM

"Akenaton is perfectly correct and he "slanders" no-one."
Yes he does - he's been warned about it before
I suggest you read his permanent stream of abuse.
He has moved from jut being arrogant to permanent trollism
Behaviour like his has closed threads before now and if he persistes, it will do so again

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Stu
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 05:31 AM

"In my case the people took it upon themselves to report me and the forum to the police, made up complete untruths regarding a criminal record and PROVEN charges concerning cruelty to animals in my care."

When the heck did this happen? Did folk actually turn up where you lived?

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 05:45 AM

Well, Teribus, your head must have been reeling with busted blood vessels as you typed that little tirade! 😂 You are a hypocrite. You criticise ME for not wading into a dispute between people of which I knew nothing. You extrapolate from one comment of mine into a fantasy world consisting of what you think I'm like (this week I've been a physical bully, an agitator who allies myself to people who stick needles in horses and now I make the bullets and let the foot soldiers take the flak. Perhaps you also think that I make up a set of triplets with Arthur Scargill and Red Robbo whose mother ought to have been sterilised at birth. 😂😂😂. In another thread you are doughtily defending bobad who has cheated this forum with a secret double identity and who only ever quotes, if he ever quotes at all to take a rest from sniping, from extreme right-wing sources. You were silent when he accused people here of being Jew-haters but no-one ever turned on YOU to accuse you of being complicit. So on that score alone you can just bugger off.

"Jumped into this a couple of years ago in an attempt to stop the constant mobbing..." my arse. How pompous can you get. Who do you think you are! What a shame it wasn't a running jump. It's never too late to take one, I politely suggest.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 05:48 AM

"When the heck did this happen? "
Whatt happened to Ake was wrong, but he is the last person in the world to complain about personal abuse - I wouldn't like to be a "disease carrying" homosexual in his presence, nor would I like to be
an culturally implanted" Muslim in the presence of others.
It's about time we all cleaned up our acts towards each other rather than whingeing about being insulted.
Some time ago Joe Offer made a suggestion that some of us should start behaving like adults - this was aimed at me as much as others.
I made an effort, but am finding it incredibly difficult under the torrent of personal abuse I am getting from Teribus in particular.
Perhaps 'glass houses and throwing stones' should be the order of the day and we can get down to serious debate.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Teribus
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 06:34 AM

Nice to see that I am "getting through".

I have generally found Bobad's posts to be informative, interesting and pretty much on the money, which is more than I can say for your contributions Shaw.

Carroll - Most of what you and the usual suspects find to complain about in what Akenaton has posted result from your deliberate misinterpretation and misunderstanding of what he has written, Keith A's posts are also treated to this obtuse and deliberate misinterpretation.

Both have raised points for discussion on this forum and included in their posts quotes from informed sources who they name and link to, yet to you the opinions of those informed sources are immediately seized upon as being the words, thoughts and opinions of the poster. You then put words into their mouths and take them to task over them - when the same trick is played on you, you squeal like stuck pigs.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 06:48 AM

"I have generally found Bobad's posts to be informative, interesting and pretty much on the money, "
Bobad is even worse than you, if that were possible
He persistently refers to anybody whoo criticises Israel and "antisemitic" he has stated that he won't open links to information supplied by others and he draws his own information from extremist hate-sites such as "White Supremist", and "Muslim Watch".
The lattter include one of the largest cut 'n pastes ever made to this forum - about five pages worth of Islamophobic hate mail.
He is widely recognised as a troll by anybody who has fallen victim to his vitriolic abuse.
Outrage at his behavior is one of the reasons he has stopped posting to this site
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 06:54 AM

"Carroll -"
My chosen name is Jim Carroll
If you can't have the courtesy to respect that, please address your remarks generally
We were asked by Joe Offer to stop name-calling some time ago - most of us complied - you seem hooked on your uncontrolable thuggish rudeness
What is it with you - bad bringing-up, or what?
Pack it in and stop making these discussions unpleasant with your arrogant behaviour
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 07:15 AM

Re 06.34 AM post, Teribus. I've asked you once this week but you seem not to have replied: what planet are you on? This morning you've barked on about how you jumped in to rescue your wallowing duplicitous friends and now you claim to be "getting through." I'll tell you what. If any of your Thatcherite bile and your revisionism and your aggression and your bullying name-calling ever "gets through" to me I'll willingly turn myself in to the nearest brain surgery to have myself lobotomised. You really do think you are someone, don't you?

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 07:22 AM

"Nice to see that I am "getting through"."
What Steve just said - your behavior is meglomanic if tyou believe bllying gets through to anybody
You are convincing nobody and you will never silence them with your torrent of insults.
Get your act together- just pretend that we are all equals, if that's what it takes!!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 07:33 AM

Nah, Jim, you have it wrong. He convinces akenaton!

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: bobad
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 08:59 AM

hate-sites such as "White Supremist", and "Muslim Watch".
The lattter include one of the largest cut 'n pastes ever made to this forum - about five pages worth of Islamophobic hate mail.

Never heard of or visited those sites in my life but it would appear that you have some familiarity with them.

As to the list of Islamist terrorist attacks you refer to, as I recall an equivalency was being made between Christian and Islamist terrorism. I put up a list of Islamist terrorist attacks which you were not able to counter so, as is your usual tactic when presented with facts that you are unable to challenge, you attack the messenger. It's your well known ruse that everyone here is quite familiar with by now - I should think you are one of the few who actually believe that anyone still falls for it.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Stu
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 09:06 AM

There goes another thread...

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 09:09 AM

Never heard of or visited those sites in my life

Yeah, right, Boo. I believe ya - thousand's wouldn't.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 09:09 AM

"but it would appear that you have some familiarity with them."
Only through you
They were traced and it was pointed out what they represented - you continued to draw from them
I suppse you are not going to respond to your constantly referring to critics as "antisemitic" despite the part of the definition which makes identifying Israeli policies as being the responsibility of the Jewish people an antisemitic act/
No
Thought not.
Back under your bridge methinks
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 09:41 AM

"... you attack the messenger. It's your well known ruse that everyone here is quite familiar with by now..."

Ha ha, hilarious. Until the rule changed to your disadvantage, we didn't know which bloody messenger you were. I suggest that if you don't want to be "attacked" you cut out the deception and dishonesty, apologise and stop the attacks yourself. You could start by saying sorry for calling people Jew haters. Hypocrite!

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 10:16 AM

"There goes another thread..."
Not if everybody ignores him Stu (unless you gree with him, of course)
He is, by definition, an Anti-Semitic troll - that hes been pointed out and, as far as I'm concerned, there's an end t' it
Hopefully, the days of having these threads ended by trolls are over.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: bobad
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 10:39 AM

"There goes another thread..."

Surely he is referring to your post of 22 Jul 16 - 06:48 AM.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 11:03 AM

Same old Boo-Spew. At least he's a CONSISTENT asshole!

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 11:16 AM

During my rather long time here, I have gradually come to the conclusion that Keith and Teribus are good brave people and excellent debaters...they are exact in what they print, and always factually correct. The fact that Mr T does not suffer fools adds to his CV as far as I am concerned.

"It's about time we all cleaned up our acts towards each other rather than whingeing about being insulted."...well start acting upon your own advice Jim, you continually print "disease carrying homosexuals" as if I had actually written these words. What I have done is refer to official statistics, freely available to all both in the UK and the US, statistics which should be of concern to every thinking person.
you have also dissembled Keith's posts dozens of times, called him racist and Islam phobic, though it is clear that he is neither.
Keith never uses abuse, no matter how much provocation he is under.

Physician heal thyself!

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 12:10 PM

I have gradually come to the conclusion that Keith and Teribus are good brave people and excellent debaters...they are exact in what they print, and always factually correct.

Ake, you say the same things about your heroes The Trumpshit and Farage.

Shows you what your opinion is worth.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 12:15 PM

Mr Farage is undoubtedly brave AND an excellent debater Greg. I reserve my opinion on Mr Trump until he has actually had to perform in office.
Mrs Clintons performances have left rather a lot to be desired....and forgiven!

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 12:25 PM

Always factually correct, eh? Clearly, you didn't follow the Geoffrey Wheatcroft fiasco, in which Keith misquoted, Keith misrepresented, Keith made excuses, Keith wouldn't back down, Keith lied and Teribus backed him to the hilt. Still, if you insist on reading only what you want to read...

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 12:30 PM

Wheatcroft.
You accused me of partially quoting.
In fact I had quoted the disputed passage in full already.

That is all you have on me and it was a year and a half ago!

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 12:40 PM

Don't tempt us.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 12:57 PM

" Keith and Teribus are good brave people and excellent debaters."
Yeah - and I've come to believe that you're not really homophobic but just a subliminal homosexual
Keith and Teri9buss are both right wing exstremists- why shouldn't you admire them.
Birds of a feather, and all that.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 01:05 PM

I happily tempt you Steve.
You have nothing.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 01:47 PM

For the second time today, sod off you old bore.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 06:11 PM

I see this thread has descended into interpersonal squabbles, rather than hosting a discussion of the issues. That's how it goes...

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 10:52 AM

It does need to get back on track, for example if UK exits then the rest of Europe seizes all properties owned or part-owned by UK nationals in each country, and if they wish to stay they should pay a market rent + premium to the individual governments to help make up the loss of EU contribution from UK.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 12:34 PM

Why?

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 12:45 PM

To make up for the loss of the loss of UK c0ntribution to EU budget

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 12:45 PM

From: SPB-Cooperator - PM
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 10:52 AM

It does need to get back on track, for example if UK exits then the rest of Europe seizes all properties owned or part-owned by UK nationals in each country, and if they wish to stay they should pay a market rent + premium to the individual governments to help make up the loss of EU contribution from UK.

Clearly living in a different universe. (a fantasy one). That (by any country's definition) would be theft. The current owners, of whatever nationality, have already paid the previous owners for the property. Under what system do you imagine they could be seized?

Also, at the same time would we be able to appropriate the property of other EU states here in the UK? We would at least no longer have the French charging us to drive across the River Severn to get home from England.

And why should they be able to make up for the loss of our contributions? While we remain a member we continue to pay for our membership. There would be no reason to pay if we leave.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 01:55 PM

Nations can not just seize innocent individuals' assets and property.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 02:02 PM

http://europa.eu/about-eu/basic-information/money/expenditure/index_en.htm


As we are a net contributor, then there would be less to contibute to cohension, economic stability and sustainability more deserving EU states.

If our government will not continue to contribute then the turkeys who have property abroad shouldn't have voted for christmas. If individual states make and apply their own property owners laws, then that is their choice.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 02:09 PM

Complete nonsense.
It has always been perfectly permissible for any member state to leave.
The suggestion of reprisals against individual citizens is ludicrous.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 02:27 PM

With that controversial food for thought I have to think about food for my stomach. At least it has got the discussion back to EU and got away from the constant name calling the thread descended to.

I am happy to hear how other people suggest how UK should be forced to contribute to its MORAL duty to ensure the level of support for less economically developed states.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 02:42 PM

<>From: SPB-Cooperator - PM
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 02:02 PM

http://europa.eu/about-eu/basic-information/money/expenditure/index_en.htm


As we are a net contributor, then there would be less to contibute to cohension, economic stability and sustainability more deserving EU states.

If our government will not continue to contribute then the turkeys who have property abroad shouldn't have voted for christmas. If individual states make and apply their own property owners laws, then that is their choice.

Yes, we know that we are net contributors. That was one good reason to leave.
Your suggestion that individual states could make and apply their own property laws ignores another reason to leave. The EU is slowly removing the ability of member states to set their own laws. It would have to be an EU wide property grab if it were to be effective. And what states (currently outside the EU) would then feel safe investing in businesses within the EU if they knew that the EU could arbitrarily appropriate their property?

Cloud. Cuckoo. Land.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 02:58 PM

I am happy to hear how other people suggest how UK should be forced to contribute to its MORAL duty to ensure the level of support for less economically developed states.

"The UK gives more in international aid than any other developed country apart from the United States, according to figures from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development." BBC
There is a United Nations target that countries should give at least 0.7% of gross national income.
But only Sweden, Luxembourg, Norway, Denmark and the UK reached this in 2014.
Countries such as the United States, Germany, Switzerland and Australia give much less as a proportion. (ibid)

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 04:02 PM

0.7% is a tiny price to pay for the centuries of exploitation and slavery we imposed, to the eternal disadvantage of so many countries, and to our eternal shame, during the time when the sun never set on the red bits of the map.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 05:29 PM

Any organisation (or individual) which held property abroad is probably laughing their socks off at the moment.

Their portfolio, should they sell said property, increased in value to the extent of about 9% overnight at the Brexit vote.

Anyone who exchanged £100,000 into Euro's on the 27 June would on the 29th have recouped in the region of £109,000 on the 29th if they exchange back to Sterling.

9,000 Euro or a clear 9% NET profit for about 10 minutes work.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 03:42 AM

"The UK gives more in international aid than any other developed country apart from the United State"
Recommended reading
AID AS IMPERIALISM
I don't know if it's still available, but it put the subject of aid to the Third World in context for me decades ago
There's enough of it
HERE
to dip into to find out how Aid works
Remarkable book
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 07:53 AM

Jim,
I read the précis of "Aid as Imperialism". It's to do with the Americas, so not really germane to this discussion. It's also from 1971, so possibly a little out of date.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 01:58 PM

"It's to do with the Americas, so not really germane to this discussion. It's also from 1971, so possibly a little out of date."
Not true Nigel
AFRICA
EXPLOITATION
Can't clickie this one
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/poverty-matters/2011/jun/14/aid-is-hardly-an-act-of-great-generosity-effectiveness
And this is before you consider our filling our shops with goods produced by slave labour
And to think we used to refer to these countries as "the white man's burden"
Some burden eh?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Teribus
Date: 02 Sep 16 - 02:12 AM

Best reason ever for Brexit - Anthony Charles Lynton Blair, the little Labour "piggy" who wanted to leave Downing Street and become President of the EU Council was on French Radio yesterday arguing that the UK could and should remain in the EU. Maybe Tone still has hopes eh?

Question for all those Labour Party Members. What was Anthony Charles Lynton Blair worth when he became Prime Minister, his net worth is now somewhere in the order of ~£26.4 million?

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Sep 16 - 02:49 AM

Well said Mr T...and I notice the pound is well on the way to recovery, last months PMI figures are the best for 25 years.
All accompanied by deafening silence from our merchants of doom :0)

Do you think they will have the balls to admit they were simply wrong?

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Sep 16 - 03:06 AM

Instead we got a racist for foreign secretary - that'll keep all those be-turbanned darkies out, which was the object of the exercise
Pity about the job opportunities though!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Sep 16 - 03:09 AM

The pound is still trading at about 10% less then it's pre-brexit level.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 02 Sep 16 - 03:21 AM

So another Brexit LIE unravelling. What did they say remaining in the EU puts us at risk of TTIP.

Who was pushing for EU to adopt TTIP - UK white British. What is happening now that UK white British are less involved - EU are pulling back from TTIP.   What did Davis announcement his plans? To accelerate TTIP. Last time I looked, he was white British.

If we are forced to exit EU MUST punish the UK and bring it to its knees until May and Fagarse crawls on their hands and knees and grovel and beg for reinstatment.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Stu
Date: 02 Sep 16 - 05:09 AM

"Do you think they will have the balls to admit they were simply wrong"

It's way too early to say whether things are working out for better our worse. For foreign folk living here, no doubt it's worse as racist incidents have risen, a man is dead and it's beginning to feel like the 1970's again. For science, it's worse as we feel the disconnect from the EU in being manifested in terms of collaboration with our European colleagues.

This gloating is all in rather poor taste. You won, now you need to get in with sorting it out so everyone is better off. Start with the £350 million to the NHS you promised us and let's take it from there.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Sep 16 - 05:36 AM

It's way too early to say whether things are working out for better our worse.

Yes, but some of the scaremongering about an immediate economic crisis (IMF, Treasury)HAVE been proved wrong already.